We make videos, they fix it. We make more, they fix more. Eventually we'll fix everything.

@sokhasampiseth3477

2 жыл бұрын

Then when "new update" come, its just have more bugs again lol.

@youareacoward8459

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, this is a never-ending fight for you, Josh. I know a bit of programming, and I asked my friend who knows A LOT. This will never end. You keep chasing rats that will never stop coming. As long as the user has power over the game from the client, which is in the base code, this will never end. Look at DS1. They had the same.

@Bei888

2 жыл бұрын

I just hope that fixing something doesn’t break two more things each time…

@NicoRobln

2 жыл бұрын

LOOL

@FabbrizioPlays

2 жыл бұрын

The one thing they can't fix is the game's reputation. If this is starting to sound familiar, it should.

New World two years from now: "we've hired Naoki Yoshida to drop Dalamud on us as well."

It's hilarious. FYI: The general method gets widely referred to as code injection. It can happen in basically any kind of user interface to query a database or any kind of code snippet so this bug is a huge oversight and just terrible programming.

@Reibaku

2 жыл бұрын

Good ol bobby tables

New world is a proper functionning and fun game COPIUM That Josh guy is a meanie that need to close his mouth! The devs will fix everything and the game will be better COPIUM It will be the FF14 killer someday COPIUM Trust me COPIUM

@thetruestar6348

2 жыл бұрын

The first 30 levels are a nice experience but the fundamentals and foundations of the game need a LOT of work. Given its AGS they are noobies and got cocky as hell for some reason thinking throwing money into a game makes success

It's so funny hearing people refer to games as the ffxiv killer. It went from wow killer to ff killer almost overnight it seems

@thetruestar6348

2 жыл бұрын

Ffxiv killer???

@thetruestar6348

2 жыл бұрын

@@kovacsbenjamin7960 that’s the dumbest move ever youre not an established developer or game at this point, you set yourself up for failure

@dikamilo

2 жыл бұрын

New World can't even kill a fly in the toilet ;)

@corberus3119

2 жыл бұрын

of course people aren't saying wow killer anymore, you can't kill something that's already dead

@aries4378

2 жыл бұрын

The only game New World is killing is itself.

MMOs are decades old now, why are any developers still re-learning the lesson of "Don't trust the client"?

@thetruestar6348

2 жыл бұрын

It’s called they DIDNT learn about it

@fujiwaradev1535

2 жыл бұрын

Hell, even in programming 101 you learn to NEVER TRUST THE FUCKING USER

@ratoh1710

2 жыл бұрын

The ONLY way I can think of that wouldn't show utter incompetence is if a stupid executive forced them to offload as much as possible unto the client as much as possible in order to save on server costs.

@JohnYoo39

2 жыл бұрын

Because their developers aren't MMO players

@krele14

2 жыл бұрын

@@NormandyFoxtrot ​ @R'atoh Offloading server resources, are you fucking kidding me it's AMAZON... Their devs are nowhere near the skill level required to deal with an MMO architecture.

They treat their release of the game as just another round of beta testing. I reported a bunch of exploiters in wars that we lost more than 2 weeks ago now.. no answers, I then talk to 3 customer service reps, (first two just disconnected my discussions) and the third one I was online with for 40 minutes until they told me "you just need to be more patient about these things.", And then disconnected; they don't give a shit, so I'm not playing this game anymore. I didn't realize I paid full price for a beta test/early access game, seeing as it was marketed as "release" to me. Wars have devolved nto an arms race of who can discover more/better bugs to use against the enemy..

You should have seen Josh's yesterday stream...a guy in chat managed to lengthen Josh's stream because he insisted that in his opinion if Josh points out the flaws of the game that will make the game die instead of motivating the devs to fix it....and the argument went for like 2 hours

@thetruestar6348

2 жыл бұрын

Lol yes calling out the problems of the game will make them stop working on the game. They have a job they will continue to work on it regardless.

@stevegibson3113

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetruestar6348 I think he meant that it will turn the players off the game to kill it, rather than demotivate the Devs

@semi6544

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevegibson3113 -- I think most players who watch streams don't realize that the playerbase that watch streams, go to websites, and watch KZread videos related to specific games is a small portion of the playerbase. We care enough to find additional information on games. Most players aren't like that. The most some people will do is Google an in game issue. They won't go find a stream or KZread video. We know Josh but the average New World player doesn't know him. Millions are playing or have played New World. Maybe a few thousand play New World and have seen Josh videos. That viewer was just being hyperbolic. Doesn't understand the scope of the world. Just living in his own private bubble and thinking it is how everyone lives.

@MeldinX2

2 жыл бұрын

NIKOLAY! :D

@michaelsong9277

2 жыл бұрын

Um the guy in chat has very limited brain function.. if these issues aren't fixed asap game will literally be unplayable thus dead.

Meanwhile, AGS is lying through their teeth and saying there is no client-side authority in the game and denying that the damn-near proven foundational problem exists

@voxkine9385

2 жыл бұрын

Amazon isn’t lying! They purposely coded the game so that when you shake the window it makes you levitate…/s

On my server, we had a guy who used that glitched item text to put the N word in chat. He kept spamming it. Other players couldn't report or block him because it required you to mouse over the text that would crash your game.

You can even farm millions of gold by making the server think you have returned a repeatable quest and get the reward gold just with a simple line of code

Haha xeno its so much worse. I was the initial reporter of this bug. They fixed it by putting an WORD filter (wouldnt wanna actually fix it) which we bypassed 4 seperate hotfixes to get around, while learning you could crash the entire server chat and other shenanigans. What a game

As long as the client has the power over the game this will never end.

@krele14

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, this is just mindblowingly bad practices all piled up into a single clusterfuck of a unity game.

The Copium with this game is something else. We all remember the whole "We decided to push this game back to make it better" This game is the biggest joke

'The 14 Killer' huh, first time I've ever heard that phrase before.

New World, the MMO equivelent of my rushed job of a Colleage Undergraduate graduate paper.

Tera actually had this exact same issue where a certain Emote in the game was able to run HTML code and do the exact same thing they're showing in New World which is hilarious to me.

@BroadwayRonMexico

2 жыл бұрын

New World has learned nothing from the mistakes of other MMOs (and other MMO-adjacent online games). Every game-breaking bug and critical design flaw has been dealt with and learned the hard way by other devs in the last 10 years, and AGS is clearly taking PR lessons from Blizzard with their "we know better than you" attitude and penchant for blatantly lying out the ass about game issues

@pixeljauntvr7774

2 жыл бұрын

@@BroadwayRonMexico Exactly. Anyone comparing this game to decades any title that launched decades ago is delusional.

There is no two ways around this: the developers who designed this mess are absolutely incompetent and a shame to the profession. The kind of error shown in this video is something you expect from an intern, not from a professional.

@Hlieyto

2 жыл бұрын

Amazon probably hired fresh college kids for their new gaming division as cheap labour. So they have no experience and run into every single issue industry veterans would help prevent.

@nejaahalcyon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hlieyto Exactly what I believe too. This or they actually outsourced to a developing country of some sort, north Africa or India kind of teams

@AwesomeEnterpriseInc

2 жыл бұрын

I teach my students that there's two reasons why you get hacked: ignorance or laziness. Learning cures the ignorance part...

New World, the Cyberpunk 2077 of MMOs. Everyday you can look forward to a new hilarious bug.

Man this anime arc is 10/10

No shot all these bugs and glitches are described how to recreate on the OFFICIAL FORUMS holy shit that is actually nuts

like yoshi p said “ do these dev play their own game “.

off topic, but I love that "strummer" thing he does @ 7:06 it never gets old lmao

I knew this game was an over hyped failure at first sight. whoever is so in love with it is like a kid who didn't own a playstation memory card and repeats his games over and over with the same kind of amusement.. on top of that, its content is limited with no replayablity and people already burst through it in every version of the game that's been out. it literally doesn't offer anything new or anything that hasn't been seen before. just imaginary ideas that couldn't be applied with being bugged and busted. looks plain and mediocre at first glance.

New world is slowly turning into release fallout 76.

My friend left me for new world when it came out, 2 weeks later…well, well, well, look who’s back to FF14. Lol 😂 I knew it was all hype.

Lmao this game is a MEME now HAHAHAH!

when i saw the running animation, i knew this game was not finished :D

I remember that guild wars 2 had code that you could link and it was crashing the game for people that hovered mouse over it they fixed it but it was funny if i remember right it was one specific item so you could just avoid that one item linked on chat and it was fine. I never had problems with it. Guild wars 2 is using specific codes to link items or locations and you can edit them but only using existing items for example you can take banana and add item upgrade for it like "penetration" to link [&AgHbLwBAuV8AAA=] this will work as normal banana link but name of the item will change to "Banana of Penetration" Have fun with that.

Played the alpha and it was basically a survival game. Tried the beta after being asked to and it still felt like a survival game. Seeing the game through KZread videos about how it's failing and it still looks like a survival game to me with not much changed from the alpha. Glad I stayed away.

@Hooga89

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest, the game is basically like Valheim except you can't build. And if you know what Valheim is like, you know it gets very repetitive after about the 100 hour mark.

was less about the questions they asked in the forum. easy fix is redact the reproduction part of the post and give viewers a link to post their own bug report if they experienced the same issue

FF14 killer btw

@syllawblood

2 жыл бұрын

"go on"

@pixeljauntvr7774

2 жыл бұрын

Let see what happens to the NW numbers when Endwalker drops shall we.

@Iybraesil

2 жыл бұрын

@@pixeljauntvr7774 They'll plummet

I'm glad I didn't touch this one. I didn't expect a bunch of suits at Amazon to make a good game in all honesty.

Reminds me of old school Ragnarok Online bugs where after a patch you could obtain some new item and drop it in the city and anyone who didn't update the client would get yeeted. That obviously lead to prontera purge speedrunning. But that was 20 years ago ffs

New World seems to be a little island where the last of the FF14 contrarians ( WoW players ) congregate, meanwhile the polar ice caps are melting and slowly but surely the ocean is swallowing up the little island they're on.

Oh, little Bobby Tables. I didn't think I would be seeing you in a game :)

Asking people how to reproduce the bugs when they report them is completely reasonable. It makes it easier for the devs to go through and check that an issue is indeed a big and help narrow down what the actual cause is so they can potentially fix it quicker. The issue lies in the fact that these posts are publicly viewable. They should locked from anyone viewing them except the original poster, the admins, and the devs. Edit: Support tickets would also work, this is comment is specifically referencing the forum issue.

the battle between 3 mmo launched : new world, fallout 69 and ff14 1.0 would be legendary XD.

At university, we had a lesson 1 or 2 hours into programming, that you have to disable app, game, or forum from reading user input as code :P PS: Didn't finish the university, but it looks I know more about programming than Amazon programmers XD

Just going from fullscreen to windowed and back still leaves that weird Windows 98 old-style border around everything. This reveals that the development team are complete and utter noobs regarding Win32 system calls. When you move a windowed application the application will receive a lot of WM_MOVE messages and I suspect what's happening with the window move invulnerability is that the main game loop processing of network calls is being interupted. I haven't played New World for 3 weeks because real life. I've come back today to check things out and it's constantly crashing within 15 minutes without fail. This never used to happen before. I could play for hours before, once I could get into a server that is, but now I can't play for more than 15 minutes :/

14:40 Asking for the steps to reproduce ain't lazy or stupid. Making it on a public forum instead of a dedicated bug report system (which will give the information to the dev team while not revealing it to the general public) is.

Have a question about warrior, since Xeno is a pretty high level tank, and it's open to anyone else who can answer: Shake it off - So you can buff it with Raw intuition, vengeance and thrill, but how does mitigation work when that shield is applied? So if I were to use shake it off just normally, 15% max HP shield, then use vengeance for the 30% mitigation, would that mean the shield therefore takes 30% less damage and is harder to break? Normally I wait until vengeance is just about to run out, then use it to apply the shield just for a little bit of extra beefiness for everyone. But as far as personal mitigation goes, is the extra % on the shield worth it in the end vs having the mitigation on top? I know that's not the usual way but even raw intuition to buff shake is another example. How does the mitigation stack exactly?

@unknown1038

2 жыл бұрын

whenever you "eat" a war cooldown with shake it off, it just buffs the shield by +2%, so if you use all cooldowns, you would buff it to 21%. It doesnt pass own the benefits of the absorbed cooldowns, like veng 30% miti, thrills bonus hp and healing etc. so be mindful of using cooldowns like thrill and veng by themselves just to boost shake, but your example of using shake right at the end of veng after blocking heavy damage on yourself is a good example. Hope this helps

There is a lot of copium and white knighting even from popular 14 streamers that are playing it. As I previously said on another video, the devs have the Blizzard mentality of “we are right and you are wrong.” A game that was delayed as many times as this game should not have these game breaking bugs. I feel when they fix a bug, they cross their fingers and hope that it doesn’t break something else. They should come out and admit they messed up, it would go a long way with players. They have their canned response of “we are working on it” but nothing concrete as to what they are doing, so different to Yoshi P. Us 14 players are spoiled.

@necronut

2 жыл бұрын

Every new game that comes out pays streamers to only say good things about it. Welcome to the internet.

@ykonratev

2 жыл бұрын

^ yup they are paid look up any of the videos about the offers they get it's insane. Once someone is popular enough you cannot trust anything from them, they could be getting paid to really subtly slip in certain phrases or show you something very briefly it's all an ad and show.

The only way New World could get any worse was if it was also Peer to Peer. XD

I actually like the Library Book analogy. I used to do similar shit with my soldiers. I would wait until I'm in my nice guy mode so they don't realize I'm actually still pissed at them.

This is why information is kept server side, not client. They should have known better

Getting an endless loop in a search function is such a rookie mistake the responsible developer should be fucking embarassed!

Flash bang bug meta

Man I like how new word feels at lower lvls i think I stopped playing at like lvl 25 just cause I got back into super smash bros melee tbh but I wish they tried a bit harder but what do we expect from Amazon 🙄

The reason why this happened (and I'm not appologising anyone here) is probably because very little time was dedicated to making a chat. Basically someone probably just sat down and did it in like 3 or 4 hours, and then never looked at it again because they had a million other things to code. And the testers didn't look at it because they had tight testing schedule of features in the game, and very little time dedicated (if any) to testing the interface. And let's face it - not everyone would think to insert HTML code into the chat. You kind of ASSUME that it's just a text window. TLDR: Rushed development and not enough testing resources. p.s. Amazon is rich, but they are also stingy. Loooking at NW I can tell that it's not the highest budget game. p.p.s. Yes it was delayed, but AFAIK their first iterations were so bad that they basically had to build a new game from the ground up again. So delays doesn't equal more time actually.

How does this happen in a game? In my opinion it's because there is no passion in devs anymore, they're just doing it for a job and money. Back in the old days, even 10 years ago we used to get quality games because devs had a passion for making a good game, yes there were still bugs but nothing really game breaking. It's the lack of passion that makes people not double check and triple check or test everything. It's a little saddening.

@docdoom1987

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think this is true. I know a few people that work at AAA companies or have worked there and some of these games just have so many people working on them at a time, there's only so much each individual can look at. These devs are passionate at doing their task and contributing, but as the saying goes "too many chefs spoil the broth". After spending years studying and doing extra courses for various certifications, it's a bit unfair to blame somebody for taking a steady job that pays well either. Funnily enough, a lot of the indie scene is devs that worked at a larger studio and got tired of not having full control.

@tristanreymendoza2402

2 жыл бұрын

They're just incompetent

the funniest thing ever is that en beta most of bugs on realese where still on the game, and after one week of realese they fix like 3 XD

My two most important rules for coding. Rule #1: Assume the User is an idiot, so sanitize your inputs on the front end. Rule #2: Assume the User is an asshole, so sanitize your inputs on the back end.

are we want to talk about the double life staff machine gun glitch

@fedesotilpazzo91

2 жыл бұрын

and btw u'll say oh but now it fixed uhm not really u could just use any other like casting i block u in a place skill like u can lifestaff and fire staff to still machine gun their auto attacks

I just don’t understand how a development agency could possibly make mistakes that game companies figured out and prevented because they foresaw these types of issues 23 years ago. Literally 1999 the first MMO’s realized these things

this is what you get when you have people from other countries doing your coding at a discounted rate.

I got banned for selling duped gold to gold sellers which lasted all of 10 mins while I changed my steam email.

On no single German server I have encountered sausages

QA team sleeping on the job lol

Wouldn’t the omega Simp/White Knight just be a Copium abuser. We gotta put them fools in rehab, this Copium Epidemic is crazy.

To the editor, you put the wrong link in the description for JSH's video. It should link to "New World is EVEN MORE Broken" but it links to "New World is Broken".

How the actual f is there any programmer anywhere who does not know that user-input is the ultimate evil and should be treated as if every single letter, every mouse movement should be treated as an attack on the system?

omg... they left the bug reports customer facing... wtf is going on

Amazon released a game before then unreleased it, put it back in beta then canceled it. I had 0 faith in this game from day 0.

New World or Bug Simulator.

in callum's video he also mentioned that you can "trick" the server on how much gold you have........amazon....please fix ur game ok?, i enjoy the game, but when i see al these bugs and potential serious protection leaks...i just don't wanna play it

if any other game launched with the issues NW had, it would have died in a week. NW hype is 100% artificial and propped up by amazon money.

@gijsoerlemans7738

2 жыл бұрын

New world lost 900k of 1m players in the first month. The hype died quick. The only reason that it didn't faster is because the gameplay seems amazing until you reach about lv25

I guess they just copy and paste the code from other MMO or it is lazy in coding the game.

Guess if i don't want to play I can crash myself

Guys these aren't exploits or bugs. These are features.

That instant crash line reminds me of when IOS phones could be killed by sending them a text with some code in it. Really stupid mistakes

@Mathren1

2 жыл бұрын

effective. Power لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ 冗

Lmao i never tried to code inject in game chats

Interesting to watch now, since he has tweeted out that he was wrong

Theyre no mere white knights Theyre white paladins

QA testing failing xd

Only fun part is sieges and finding bugs. Rest of endgame sucks ass. But as a big Souls player, having "relatively" lagfree PvP with good action combat keeps me coming back. Atleast I don't need to waste money on a subfee.

he should have showed the code instead so Amazon would have no choice but to do something about it.

I played open beta and once I found out the character walked underwater, I noped out so hard. It just goes to tell that the devs didn't care.

Programmer wage is just too high, lets see what we can get on Fiverr.

I'm so glad I got this game for free because I would be so mad if I spent money on this crap lol

How is this in the game?! This is developer 101. If you don't learn it in college, then week 1 into real world development work you learn about Cross-Site Scripting and how to stop it. Was New World created by interns? At least hire ONE security person, Amazon. This is so basic, but at least have someone with security knowledge and certs looking over your game.

New World being a broken ass mess is the only thing elevating it from complete mediocrity. When all of this is fixed. This game will fade into obscurity.

trillion dollar company btw

cyberpunk version 2.0

Who are all there weirdos that wants games to fail and so assume that's what other people want to? Why would anyone want any game but especially an mmo to fail? supposed

I don't actually see anything redeeming from this game. I've played 80+ mmos over the last decade, good bad and ugly. People can say whatever they want about ff14 or gw2 or I even play Neverwinter because I'm an old school D&D nerd, all have slight issues and yes neverwinter's shop and updates suck sometimes but I've never personally found bugs in any of these games and I'm not sure even Square Enix is categorically "bigger" then amazon. Amazon has not had a successful game yet and I don't even think new world's graphics are all that and a bag of chips, they okay and that's it's only plus. I'll "still" give it a year (i don't see servers still up by then js) and maybe buy it on discount or a sale...maybe lol

What if NW fails on purpose so they can pull a revival like ARR on the players?

@Arcad1010

2 жыл бұрын

how bad was nw compared to ff1.0?

@alexschilling1440

2 жыл бұрын

Amazon’s last failed game got deleted. They needed a win to prove themselves as more than just an Amazon cash grab. It would be a terrible plan to launch with this many bugs and other issues.

@BroadwayRonMexico

2 жыл бұрын

Wont happen. Unlike FFXIV 1.0 putting SE in jeopardy, NW is pretty insignificant to Amazon as a whole. To milk it in a state of managed decline and unceremoniously pull the plug is no skin off their bones Also, an ARR-style relaunch would require AGS to admit the foundation is flawed, which they'll never do. Just a few days ago, even, they blatantly lied to their playerbase and said there is no client-side authority

With as many people defending this shit nonstop it seems like they're creating a "New World" to simp out for shitty companies. People wonder why games are so bad these days and here ya go...... New World Simp Simulator

To be fair, all testers are required to provide repro steps. The failing is making that part public not asking for it. It should feed into a DB they can see, like jira or something. Disclosure, QA tester.

Code injections have been common in every application for decades. It's a terrible sign that they still get missed.

Just some suggestions here but doing react stuff like this is fun and fine but you should let the video playout or a point , like for example in this each bug he brings up, do your opinion afterwards instead of pausing multiple times in between each point. Think it will make it easier to hear the video and better imo

Why does New World still exist? It is made by one of the shittiest companies in the world. The game has constantly shown that the developers have no clue on what they are doing. Every patch introduces more bugs than it fixes. Why do people still care about this game, hell why did people even care in the beginning? I heard "Amazon" and I was gone. Edit when I was about 3 minutes in: Seems like Xeno is of the same opinion as me. I feel like my comment is repetitive of the video, but I will keep it up nonetheless in case anyone has an idea on how this mess of spaghetti code can still exist.

React harder, strummer! Don't forget to kiss pekora

Some New World fanboys simping so unreasonably, might as well call their copium, New Copium

Where's all the beta fan boys now saying how it's only in early access hahahahaha

fdsa

is this everyone's first mmorpg?

Bald PvE scrub watching video about PvP game :D

Make your own content.

Its funny because New World is a dead af game