I just discovered yesterday that with a rear-facing childseat installed in the second row, it is possible to use the one-touch third row access button to release the second row seat in such a way that the carseat prevents the seat from sliding forwards and the backrest from folding forwards. The child seat holds both close to their original positions and it is not obvious that the seat is free to slide. This means its possible to unknowingly drive with the second row seat in the one-touch sliding mode. If a crash occurs in this mode, the seat is free to slide forwards and the seatback is free to bend forwards. The seatbelt is also attached to the seat. So the possibility of an unrestrained seat means the function of the seatbelt will be defeated as the entire seat moves forwards. The passenger will collide with the front row seat and likely sustain serious injuries. Honda really needs to prevent that button from being pressed while the vehicle is in motion. They also need to tie in a sensor to detect when the seat is free to slide and treat that like an unfastened seatbelt for the chimes and warnings. If you are sitting in that seat and the button is pressed, your seatbelt will not function properly. A chime can alert parents in the event the button is pressed but they do not have a visual indication that the seat is unsecured, like when a rear-facing child seat prevents the normal function of that feature.

Honda made some changes to the 2025 pilot which bumped up to an acceptable rating

Great information as always!

@crashcore_cc

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

If the rebound movement wasn’t bad enough in the Pilot, the Nissan Frontier was even more horrific than that.

@crashcore_cc

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely. The dummy’s head in the Frontier struck the rear window during rebound.

@mathers43

10 ай бұрын

​@@crashcore_ccthe rebound movement was even worse in the Outback

@DevicesWorldGamingYT

7 ай бұрын

I agree

@Vanguard.I

13 күн бұрын

The frontier doesn’t deserve an acceptable rating, no injury measures. Iihs way too strict

@matthewmooney4301

6 күн бұрын

@@Vanguard.I Uncontrolled dummy movement can still indicate a risk of serious injury, even if the dummy records only low or moderate injury measures. That’s why dummy kinematics are weighted very heavily.

Can You do The video On The 2023 Accord I will tell you it do good in update moderate and side small overlap test

@crashcore_cc

8 ай бұрын

Hello, yes the Accord is on my list of videos to create. It did well in the updated moderate overlap test - much better than the Pilot!

Does this test also apply to the new 2024 Honda Pilot?

@crashcore_cc

4 ай бұрын

Yes, it does.

Please check reliable source IIHS!

1:04 where did you get the footage from?

@crashcore_cc

10 ай бұрын

From Honda. It’s their internal crash test footage of the side impact test.

@nvsc

10 ай бұрын

@@crashcore_cc is it public?

The rebound on moderate Crash test looks ouch for the rear😮😮😢

@crashcore_cc

7 ай бұрын

There’s been so much focus and improvement on front seat safety over the last few decades, that it’s shocking to see the lack of protection in the rear seat.

This is a bit disingenuous. The only midsize SUV that isn't rated marginal or poor in the updated moderate overlap is the Subaru Ascent. The Pilot, along with 12 other midsize SUVs, are rated as top safety pick plus by IIHS.

@crashcore_cc

5 ай бұрын

They only received the top safety pick designation because the updated moderate overlap test wasn’t included as criteria. Once it’s added, if the automakers haven’t made improvements, they will lose the designation. I try to give people safety information that goes beyond the “top safety pick” headline.

This is a bit surprising considering the Accord and Civic do quite well in the small/mid-sized car tests. Then again, I think SUVs are more difficult to design for because they are larger and you have larger spaces between key support structures. But beyond that, the safety restraint system should still be just as good, so I'm not sure why these are so bad. It does seem, though, compared to even the Accord, which was noted for allowing passengers to rise up out of the rear seat and hit their head on the roofliner in the Accord tests, that rear safety belts seem to be a bit of a hit or miss with Honda vehicles, even though most other brands perform better in this regard. Part of me says that just because something is redesigned, doesn't mean it's automatically going to be better or the same either. You have to figure that with redesigns, some things get changed, perhaps things that were perfected in the previous generation over years of continued production and refinement over the years, but when redesigning a component, you may introduce new issues that you perhaps worked out in the previous generation. This is not to say that you throw away all knowledge, but you do start over a bit with a new redesign particularly if the vehicle is "severely" redesigned. Obviously Honda likely retained much of it's knowledge and design in terms of safety between the redesign and the previous generation, but if we look at the other side of things, this one didn't do worse either. That would be a step backwards, so at best, this one is no better/worse than the previous gen despite the redesign. Of course, all mfrs should strive to do better but that's why we have these types of tests... to help consumers make informed decisions and to help automakers make safer vehicles.

@crashcore_cc

2 ай бұрын

The lack consistency of rear-seat safety in Hondas - even their recent redesigns - is frustrating. The new CR-V recently scored a poor in this test. I suspect Honda will not wait for the next redesign cycle to make improvements - they will not want to lose their “top safety pick” designations as the IIHS makes the criteria more demanding.

The Pilot I was going to with the 2023 Pilot was going to good rating but never mind it do bad so thank crash core

Still a top safety pic plus I don’t know what the issue is. I drive an old XC, 90 and one of these. I wasn’t willing to spend 65 grand on a less reliable Volvo. I’ve had $10,000 worth of repairs on that car in a decade.

@crashcore_cc

3 ай бұрын

The IIHS raised the Top Safety Pick + standards for 2024 and as a result, the Honda Pilot’s designation was downgraded because of its Marginal performance in the updated moderate overlap test.

@2steaksandwiches665

3 ай бұрын

@@crashcore_cc it’s still pretty good.

@2steaksandwiches665

3 ай бұрын

@@crashcore_cc also, it’s a good value for what you get. This Honda will last 250,000 miles. I grew up with volvos my whole life and still own one, but I wasn’t willing to spend the extra 20% for a Volvo and have it last half as long with ridiculously high repair bills

@HR-wd6cw

2 ай бұрын

@@crashcore_cc I think this new updated test downgraded many vehicles over many classes, but it's good that they updated it because it further tests a more real-world situation where you would have an occupant in the back seat.

@bowdenimages1197

Ай бұрын

@@crashcore_ccSo was literally every other vehicle pretty much.