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@TonyTheBassPlayer1

22 күн бұрын

Tank, I think I may have an explanation and if I'm correct you may hear a different version released. That mix isn't just chaotic and lopsided. That distortion is a dead giveaway; Whoever the fool was that mastered that record just dumped the dynamic compression on it until it brought everything to its loudest. Which by the way, you hear a lot these days. Man if that is the case I hope they re master it and re release the video with remastered audio. Sounds like someone had that mix nice and layered and subtle and the compressor came on and everything got pulled out of context. Metallica did it on that record everybody bitched about the mix of and people said it sounded distorted. That mastering job was too "loud". And that's what I'm hearing here.

@seanchilds9547

22 күн бұрын

To paraphrase the new sing from Marco & Tarja - NW should have " Left this on Mars"

@WardDorrity

22 күн бұрын

I like your work in general, but here, I think you've rather missed the point of this work.

@VivK-Real

22 күн бұрын

I think I heard that they didn't work with Pip Williams with orchestration on this. Might be one cause....

@demonlama6929

22 күн бұрын

I was disappointed as well that the vocals were hard to hear. I like this other mix way better. What do you think Tank? kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4Nnq8aRfbq2dc4.html

I appreciate reactors who are REAL. If you like something, say you like it. If you don’t, say you don’t. I’m so tired of reactors trying to lie to fan bases to not upset anyone. Good job Tank.

@Secanh0

22 күн бұрын

It's literally a bait to bring him metrics

@meinnase

22 күн бұрын

Eh, i dont think that ever works. The only reason people watch reactions is because they want the experience of showing their friend something they really like, but without the risk of their friend potentially not liking it. If you do react content you kinda HAVE to be positive

@mikko-of6cu

21 күн бұрын

yeah, 95% of reactors are fake as fuck. I get it though, they get money by acting like they give a shit about some band or movie or tv show. Lol, and people pay money to watch the awful fakeness. There are a few good reactors out there that give 100% honest reactions. Not everything has to be 100% positive. Real life doesn't work like that. In real life not everyone will enjoy the same stuff. That's called life.

@Blackwolf.777

21 күн бұрын

I am with you!!!

@jumazv7811

20 күн бұрын

Also fact is, Tank was disappointed to Nightwish earlier, cause he didnt get any money for their reactions. Also fact is, he is Electric cowboy fanboy cause he gets money from them and tours with them. Of course he likes them. And he said he likes Nightwish also. This mixing just wasnt his taste and thats ok. But if you think money doesnt matter, when you make these, get the fuck out here 😂 Everybody has to make living.

He also forgot about 15 years ago that he actually has an incredible guitar player, but insists on using him as a background instrument.

@vogel2280

9 күн бұрын

Have you listened to Tribal? Also he the best singer, he had Marko (better than most lead singers), he has an amazing drummer and the London Philharmonic. At one point a man has to choose...

The worst part is you can hear Floor putting so much pure power into such a quiet vocal track

@flowq3874

22 күн бұрын

If I were Floor, I would be disappointed. Maybe she expressed hers, and we all know how democratic Nightwish is.

@nightringer9815

22 күн бұрын

Read the lyrics, it said We are not I am

@flowq3874

22 күн бұрын

@@nightringer9815 "The song sounds awful" - "But it said we are, not I am." - "...ok..."

@paulriddle7818

22 күн бұрын

And just a few weeks after giving birth.

@monicacarolina6480

22 күн бұрын

great, but here it has a very obvious reason...in the chorus Floor is ONE of the TIMELESS....it is fully intentional and with a good reason.

Love when reactors are genuine and honest. They don’t just say they like this and how awesome it is to not offend someone, and then a couple months down the road offhandedly remark of how it wasn’t my favorite and it was just ok…

@mediumvillain

18 күн бұрын

A lot of ppl dont seem to realize (or care) that half of the music channels on this website are effectively doing access journalism. If they do a lot of interviews you're probably not gonna hear them criticize anything very much. Some of them will do clickbait stuff to feed on controversies but then present it like "People are saying this, I'm not saying it, I disagree with it, actually (controversial band/figure) is very cool & good"

The diver isn't CGI if anyone thought that. His name is Guillaume Néry (some images might be his wife Julie Gautier) and the images is from his film "One breath around the world"

@lekalla

22 күн бұрын

Therw's two other free divers also.

@daveblair9766

22 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fmilr5OCdcvafrQ.htmlfeature=shared It was filmed by his wife

@lekalla

18 күн бұрын

@@daveblair9766 4 free divers

@lekalla

18 күн бұрын

@@daveblair9766 Might be 5.

@James-if3kc

10 күн бұрын

The feet look like a woman's feet.

Thanks for the opinion, Tank! I don't feel lonely now that someone has translated my thoughts into the right words. And yes, I repeat here that if something is done for a reason, it doesn't mean that it is good.

@michaelbelshaysr4525

18 күн бұрын

Well consider the song name. What does perfume do? Just as all the DEI noise we are evaporating getting weaker. Between all the kids getting transgender assignment surgeries crime wars we are erasing our existance. Let's not forget about abortions. Just as the political noise keeps drowning us out. So the music drowns Floors voice. Is this the point of the song? One must ask the question. You know Nightwish is strong on the story telling and has a message.

@hermavankeulen9728

15 күн бұрын

its good but you don't like it!

@nobodyimportant7804

12 күн бұрын

@@michaelbelshaysr4525 LOL calm down

@zrevival3818

8 күн бұрын

@@michaelbelshaysr4525 So?

@michaelbelshaysr4525

8 күн бұрын

@@zrevival3818 just explaining why they put her voice behind the noise.

I totally understand you feeling this way. I’m a huge Nightwish fan and have been since the early 2000’s. Their music has always meant so much to me and shaped how I listen to music growing up. I so want to love this song because all the elements are there but I just can’t. The mix throws me off so much. I gave it multiple tries and I have accepted it for what it is. That way I can pick apart the pieces I like but I’m not in love. It hasn’t made my playlist. Normally when a Nightwish song comes out I play it to death on repeat but I haven’t with this one. I was excited for the new album and now I’m nervous. I can respect that this was Tuomas choice and he wanted to do something with this and he has this right. But I just can’t connect and I’m glad it’s not just me that is disappointed.

@alexandersteinmetz6857

21 күн бұрын

i feel you on many Levels. You are surely not Alone.

@GameTalesHQ

20 күн бұрын

Guess we'll have to wait for the live version!

@annalyon2729

17 күн бұрын

That could be a long wait, so I'm not waiting ​@@GameTalesHQ

@dreamer_of_hiraeth

12 күн бұрын

Same here. Nightwish is my all time favourite band, and this song is just... kind of disappointing. I was really sad about that for a few days, but in the end it is what it is... I can only hope the rest of the album will be better..

A lot of people are saying the vocals are deliberately low in the mix but I honestly think hearing the vocal tracks more clearly would make it better. It being a deliberate choice doesn't free the song from criticism. Hopefully we get to hear Floor a bit louder on other songs.

@reyntime8735

22 күн бұрын

Exactly. Not everything bad is a mistake

@benjamineer3045

22 күн бұрын

Also if you have vocalist like Floor you want her to be heard loud and clear. There is no musical reason to hide such a singer in the mix

@SamBrockmann

22 күн бұрын

This is the single. Doesn't encourage me much if this sh*tfest of a mix is the lead single.

@nightringer9815

22 күн бұрын

Read the lyrics of the chorus. It said We, not I. That's why Floor's vocal at the same volume as the choir. She became one of many.

@SamBrockmann

22 күн бұрын

@@nightringer9815 , and that's part of the problem. What a sh*t artistic choice. One sh*tty artistic choice among many on this song.

This song is a great example why live Nightwish is so much better than recorded Nightwish. At least in my humble opinion.

@SymphonicEllen

23 күн бұрын

I find that to be true with most symphonic metal people unless it's a song that was meant to have a heavy choral part like Ghost Love Score. Then I'm a bit torn because I love the choir on the studio, but it does get lost live unless your in a small venue. That's kind of why I like Scardust. Noa brings the choir with her. It's not a big one, but it's enough.

@alexdoorn234

22 күн бұрын

@@SymphonicEllen Blind Guardian is amazing in that way too because 1. the crowd becomes the needed choir and 2. every band member except the drummer does back up vocals. There was of course this Demons and Wizards show at Wacken where they did have a choir but that is rare. But I truly adore the BG approach of crowd as choir for their more complicated songs.

@VivK-Real

22 күн бұрын

I like this song and yes, can't wait to see and hear it live. It took a couple of listening before I got really into it.

@SymphonicEllen

22 күн бұрын

@@alexdoorn234 Nice, I'm not as familiar with Blind Guardian but sounds like my kind of concert. Was in choir my last 3 years of college 😁

@henryvandenbrand5176

22 күн бұрын

In that case I can't wait to hear this fantastic piece of music live.

Tbh. out of context Nik Nocturnal comment "I want to watch this without sound" unintentionally sums it up the best

“Buh…buh…but the mix is intentional!!!” (Rant Incoming)- I’m really getting fed up of the Nightwish fanbase constantly deluding themselves into thinking that Tuomas can do no wrong. The guy’s a musical genius don’t get me wrong (Dark Passion Play is one of my top 10 favourite albums by any band ever), but even he is capable of making dumb artistic choices. This mix is a prime example. Not to mention that the guy’s ego has been getting bigger and bigger for years at this point. He completely went up his own ass on the Human Nature album. As for this song? While it is an improvement on most of what was on the last album, it still has the same air of pretentiousness that has been steadily building in Nightwish’s music ever since Tuomas got a boner for evolution (and Troy) on Endless Forms Most Beautiful. Funnily enough, Endless Forms is also the point when their albums’ mixes started to get worse (especially in terms of the vocals). FFS they have an absolute powerhouse of a singer in Floor and they’ve been misusing her ever since she came into the band. Pop on either of the Nightwish albums she’s been featured on and then go spin After Forever’s self titled record from 07. It’s night and day with how amazing she sounds on that album compared to how buried in the mix she is on her Nightwish studio recordings. Rant Concluded. #AndJusticeForFloor

@noneofyerbeeswax8194

16 күн бұрын

Br00tal!😱 And trve.👍 I'm still not sure why Floor agreed to be part of this bullshido. He must be paying her a ton of money.

@janmaule606

14 күн бұрын

Not only After Forever, but NW also... Once or DPP sounded much better.

@annalyon2729

12 күн бұрын

NW did it with Tarja also. The mix of the songs was often odd in The older albums too. Live Tarja and live Floor have usually sounded much better than on albums.

@kmacgregor6361

11 күн бұрын

I frigging love Human Nature. I like Nightwish but was not a huge fan until that album. It's so powerful and the composition is a cut above all their past work. I cried the first time I listened to it through. So, to each their own I guess.

@neonspec

11 күн бұрын

@kmacgregor6361 Fair enough I guess I mean it’s all subject to taste at the end of the day. There are highlights on it (Noise, Pan, How’s the Heart), but for me it just lacks the punch of the previous albums both in the production as well as the performances. That 2nd disc is almost entirely worthless imo. It’s kinda pretty at points but I paid for a Nightwish album. I didn’t pay to hear Tuomas’s film score audition 💁‍♂️

Melody: great Singing: great Drums: great If only we could hear it.

@SamBrockmann

22 күн бұрын

**If only**, we could hear the guitars clearly. IF ONLY!

@alexandersteinmetz6857

21 күн бұрын

How dare you. They gave us an great Bridge , nearly 25 Seconds ! how are you not satisfied and dont bow to the Superiority of Tuomas Message! You dont know Art, you are no Fan, you are numb...did i forget something?:) Saddest Thing: it will stay this Way and it wont get better , thats what i fear...so....*starting Wemlbey 2k15 Live*

@SamBrockmann

21 күн бұрын

@@alexandersteinmetz6857 , a great bridge? The bridge is a muddy mess. It doesn't even sound good. Are you high?!

@alexandersteinmetz6857

21 күн бұрын

@@SamBrockmann nope. terrible sober all the Way. Only sarcastic to the Bone;)

@SamBrockmann

21 күн бұрын

@@alexandersteinmetz6857 , I am glad to hear it, sir. I admit, with all the wild zealotry from much of the NW fanbase, I always feel the need to check. Have a high five. ✋️

It doesn't really feel like a nightwish song with an orchestra, it feels like an orchestra featuring nightwish

@zvolencan1

22 күн бұрын

Exactly. And maybe that´s Tuomas´s point.

It sounds like a movie mix that needs to be played in 5.1 with the centre speaker cranked to get the vocals.

@AntonNidhoggr

36 минут бұрын

It could be actually. But usually in these cases they should do separate mixes for 2.0 and surround for this same reason.

“Hey let’s minimize the entire reason that people listen to our band in the final mix” Bold choice Cotton

@UnhumanNewman

21 күн бұрын

I’ve never heard this band before and I’ll be fine if I don’t ever again. Calling it mid would be generous

@DrMikkel_yz54

20 күн бұрын

If you only listen to a Symphonic metal band for vocals then you should find something else to listen to.

@mardroidmk1393

14 күн бұрын

The fact Tank was so disappointed indicates that most of their music is NOT lik3 this (at least in mix). He even stated as such. I can confirm this. Its worth giving them a chance, I reckon. Their music is so varied , you are likely to find stuff you like. I do like this song and I'm not as bothered by the mix as Tank, but I do agree it should be mixed so the component parts were clearer. (Floor's singing in particular but there is a kind of fuzzy distortion over everything, here.)

If you go to the Nightwish Arena KZread channel, they have put up a re-done version with the vocals pushed up in the mix. It sounds pretty good to me, and is well worth a listen.

@plantifulalexandra

13 күн бұрын

Oh thanks!

Oh man the hardcore nightwish people are going to HATE tank after this one 😂

@Lyktstolpe0898

23 күн бұрын

Nah.. what he says is true unfortunately😢

@TankTheTech

23 күн бұрын

The hardcore Nightwish people hated me already after the video from a couple years ago. No worries. Haha

@oleksandrbyelyenko435

23 күн бұрын

I am a hardcore fan and I agree with Tank

@KristiinaBerg

23 күн бұрын

No they are not.

@littlebigkicker

23 күн бұрын

Nah I agree I still say tarja.is better lmao if that makes u feel better 😂

First truly honest music reaction I've ever seen. I love Nightwish but this sounds like rejects from their Greatest Show On Earth recording.

Hey, if Tank didn’t like this what is the problem. Greetings from Finland. Music lives and goes to atmosphere. Somebody likes somebody don’t like. Hey people, relax…

I have every Nightwish Album and based on this song I am not pre-ordering this album I am now in a wait and see mode because damn they messed up on the technical side of things they took Great Instrumentals and Great Vocals and then mixed them together with a cement mixer and all of the grace and precision that entails.

Wow. I didn't even know NIghtwish had a new single out... now, having heard it, I wish I *still* didn't know that...

@SrFranciscoDAnconia

6 күн бұрын

I think most of their stuff has been pretty meh since Imaginaerum.

Looks like its Epica's time to take the crown of best symphonic metal band for awhile.

@jonathanratliff4780

10 күн бұрын

For those who are candid and not drinking the Nightwish Kool-Aid Epica and I would add nearly so Therion have been the best symphonic true metal bands for a long time my friend

@kharngotrekson1726

10 күн бұрын

Nightwish fans will feel what i felt when Roy Khan left Kamelot and it went downhill.

@Mordorian_Orque

9 күн бұрын

@@jonathanratliff4780 Therion were splendid back in the day

The Drummer said that the choices made with the mix were intentional, and they know people aren't going to like it, and they're fine with it.

@flowq3874

22 күн бұрын

Kai also said "it is, what it is" - so HE seems not to be fine with it. And that makes one wonder who else in the band might be disappoited with how Tuomas uses their "instruments"...

@lea-anne9133

22 күн бұрын

Let's hope the rest of the album doesn't sound like this though

@methanbreather

21 күн бұрын

well, good for them, but they won't attract people to spend money on it tbh.

@21willyx21

21 күн бұрын

Such a lazy-ass excuse...

@Jutubowiec1

21 күн бұрын

@@methanbreather Exactly.Not many people also will like song with this mix.So what is the reason to released it if not for people to listening? Also I don't think music label agree to realese this whole album like this as a final product.

whew, I'm glad you and Chase said something, I thought it was just me, I couldn't figure out why I felt so sad YET everyone was "raving" about this. Don't get me wrong I love, love Nightwish and listen to them every day, but to be honest I was kinda hoping they'd veer a little toward my favorite "Master Passion Greed" but this one, I don't know. Glad you're honest in your assesssments.

I am a huge Nightwish fan and good lord I’ve never been so disappointed by a release. This song had so much potential but the mix 😩 You said everything I’ve been feeling since this released.

All three NW singers are great and it's hard to say if Floor or Tarja is better. But I think Tarja really had something that inspired Tuomas to write music. After all, even Dark Passion Play is an album mainly inspired by her. Today, the band is apparently mainly a company, and Tuomas sees the people in it only as his instruments. Anette changed the sound of the band and they certainly benefited from it. Floor is great, but it's sad that people mainly associate her with a 10+ year old performance for Ghost Love Score, a 20 year old song that wasn't even written for her voice. The direction of Nightwish is completely opposite to the direction of Epica. Epica cut back on the orchestra and added guitar and heavy sound. Today, Tuomas buried everything with the orchestra, thinking he was the second Hans Zimmer. But ok. Nightwish is his, he can do what he wants with it and probably already does.

@todanrg3

2 күн бұрын

It was a different era tho. They were much younger and at the beginning with all the fresh ideas. After 20 years you maybe run out of fresh ideas maybe.

I like it. No problem whatsoever.

I couldn't put my finger on why I didn't like this as much as I wanted to. Since I'm not a musician or sound guy thanks for pointing out the mix. Now I understand.

I love when the very few and far between big name commentators I actually like criticize stuff. Not because I like hearing negative reviews. But because I know they're authentic and don't just pretend to like everything. You ain't gonna see Nik making anything like this. I usually am more inclined to watch smaller time reactors cuz I know they'll be more real cuz they're still doing it for themselves, not for the monetization and fanbase they cultivated. For the big dawgs to be real, you don't see that too much on KZread. I always knew Tank was different from the rest of the pack. I hate pandering.

since marco left nightwish the band is just a shadow of itself, even floor can't change this anymore.

@jonathanratliff4780

22 сағат бұрын

Yip you nailed that one I’ve been saying it for a long time

It could be that the wrong recording was given to someone or some other mistake/miscommunication happened along the way. To quote Einstein, "there are two things I know to be infinite; the universe and humanity's potential to screw up, although I'm not 100% sure about the first."

@Kelly-pp1et

18 күн бұрын

The quote says”the are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity …. etc”

I had the same thoughts when i first listened to it. But after i have listen to it for a couple of times it has grown on me

@lmbergamini

23 күн бұрын

It has grown on me too... like a rash.🤢 I tried to like it, but I can't listen to it. I really hope the overall mix is not that terrible.

@fredriknilsson6042

22 күн бұрын

@@lmbergamini well we have different opinions and thats okay

@monicacarolina6480

22 күн бұрын

@@lmbergamini great, but here it has a very obvious reason...in the chorus Floor is ONE of the TIMELESS....it is fully intentional and with a good reason.

@flowq3874

22 күн бұрын

Cannot recall GLS live had to grow on me, tbh.

@ToTheWolves

21 күн бұрын

It def grew on me after several listens at this point

I like the Song, I don't love it as much as other of their Songs, but it have grown on me. That being said, Nightwish are a Band that is so much better live, than on Studio Albums, and I prefer that to the other way around, of course i would love both to be amazing.

I don't get all the issues people are having with the mix. I've listened to this song dozens of times in the car, on my phone with Beats headphones, and on my iPad with the iPad speakers and it sounds great. I can hear the drums just fine, and Floor's voice is easily heard throughout the entire song...for me. I've even listened to it with the sole purpose of trying to identify what people are complaining about and I just don't get it. I can hear the harmonies during the chorus with Floor riding over them, although I can't tell if they're 3- or 5-part harmonies. Admittedly, the song is heavy with the orchestra, so that might be what's distracting people from hearing Floor.

@pedrothevenard

22 күн бұрын

Everyone hears it, it's just muffled, extremely muffled, it's not putting vocals and instrumental (band instruments) in evidence, and it just sounds like there's a competition between the styles instead of a mesh, and the metal is loosing, because it's half a dozen against almost a hundred instruments, the actual members of the band are not in evidence at all, there's a reason a singer is a front man or front woman, people tend enjoy the actual vocals in evidence, the drumming the guitars, etc, and the attempt to use symphonic to generate an epic feel just falls flat, it's a very bad mixing, really very bad. They are clearly trying something new, but it sucks for most, but some people might enjoy, there's nothing wrong about that, but most people won't, at all.

@SamBrockmann

22 күн бұрын

You may need to go get your ears examined then . . .

@PresidentTaroOkada

21 күн бұрын

​@@pedrothevenardIf it was mixed intentionally, it's not a bad mix.

@pedrothevenard

21 күн бұрын

@@PresidentTaroOkada A shitty mix it's a shitty mix no matter how intentional it is, the song has potential, but it sucks right now, probably gonna sound way better live.

I agree with you 100% Its sad that its so muddy😢

11:57 Exactly. This Mix is 100% intentional. Tuomas haven't suddenly gone deaf. Floor is supposed to be a part of the whole here, and not the usual Floor show casing. The band even stated that they expected reactions because of this choice. In an Interview, though, Kai didn't seem very happy about it. "It is what it is", he said. After a few listenings and learning the lyrics, I don't mind that Floor feels like a part of the choir, and not the star in front.

@alexandersteinmetz6857

21 күн бұрын

and do you already love your new solo singer Troy?

I have listened to night wish a little but I never really cared much for them till this song. So for me it's a great song. The first several times I listened to it I thought vocals were too low but as I repeatedly listen to it I don't really notice. Just sounds epic. Wouldn't hurt for vocals to be higher but it's only during piyd parts that they are low in the mix

Met you at Sweden Rock, was so nervous to yell out to you. Glad I did. So happy gor you to Work for the band I first saw your channel covering, Hypa Hypa. The guys were great and amazing live.

When I first heard it I thought something was off, you pointed it out, the symphonics takes control of the song.

I'm still hoping that the mix that's being pressed on CDs is clean as a whistle and they're just fuckin' with us with this clip.

@lea-anne9133

22 күн бұрын

Oh I hope so🙏🏻 In my gut I think this is why I haven't pre-ordered the album yet

@thechurn4766

22 күн бұрын

I'm also hoping that. The album is still 4 months off, probably 2 until they start manufacturing, So maybe, just maybe, they are still working on the mix. Also hoping the LP mix may be different and vinyl has different requirements.

@iliangeorgiev1060

21 күн бұрын

@@thechurn4766No vinyl in the world has saved a bad mix, unfortunately! The mastering is different only, but as I said - even the best mastering can’t save the sound from a bad mix… And let’s not forget that the vinyl also has it’s own disadvantages at the end of the day

@Mordorian_Orque

20 күн бұрын

I hope too, but don't believe a lot / When Aria's first single of the upcoming 13th album dropped back in 2018 we in Russia thought the same way/ It turned out the album is a horrible disaster with the worst sound ever heard in my entire life. A sad thing for a former fan of a great heavy metal band

@thechurn4766

20 күн бұрын

@iliangeorgiev1060 getting really tired of these muddy, overly compressed mixes. Producers have to bring back subtle dynamics to these recordings. The loudness wars ( I know they are somewhat over), and mixing for earbuds needs to stop. People that listen primarily to overly compressed MP3's on headphones are not audiophiles, and do not care about the mixing. So mix it for those of us who do care.

Yes, the same people mixed it. There is a post on their IG from February 29 with the picture of Tuomas and engineers after the album was mixed and mastered. It says they were the same people they’ve used for 25 years.

This sounds like someone asked AI to make a Nightwish song

@Ethnicparty

2 күн бұрын

Udio AI creates music with better mix just check on their site

Yep. Like you said the best thing that can come of this is they remix it before it is released.

The song could be so good, but the mix sucks. Nightwish says the mix is ​​intentional, which disappoints me even more. Tuomas tries too hard to show off his art and forgets that he has amazing musicians and a talented singer.

@alexandersteinmetz6857

21 күн бұрын

Word

I haven’t given a crap about Nightwish since the album “Once.” The garbage movie soundtrack vibe lost me. They should’ve just kept the epic power metal vibe and fought to keep Tarja. Which is sad, because I love Floor.

@tenorcenter

13 күн бұрын

I dont even mind Annette’s albums! But since 2015, they just took a artistic direction I don’t like :(

Finally great and not a fanboy review!!! Thanks for this!

I guess I just took it as what they wanted to put out. I enjoyed it when I listened to it

Are you going to do Wintersun reactions when Time 2 comes out?

Yes it seems that chorus is little drowned under ocrhestral parts and I was dissapointed at first too. But after few more listenings I don't care anymore, I understand it and it is fine with me. It also depends a lot on your system at your home how is it tuned. Actually I have kinda those problems with all Floor era abums, that I am not sure what to think after first listening, but they all grown on me very fast. Like this song.

I find it crazy that both positive and negative comments are like 90% about the volume of Floor's voice. I personally don't have a problem with her voice being in the background for the song. But I don't enjoy the song overall because either half of the mix is too quiet and I barely hear it or the other half is so loud and aggressive that I get a headache. If I am not supposed to hear the drums in some parts, why are they even playing?

@pin-upmariposa412

14 күн бұрын

And this is a problem. All musicians / singers in the band are too talented to be buried in the mix. Tuomas has his own vision for this song, but still, mix needs to be better to achieve this "vision." Thank you for your comment.

Floor's probably mixed low so it sounds better on all the live versions that won't be happening for two years

The first two times I watched and listened to the video, I thought it was my ears that were off because the treble sounds so muffled to me too. Watching this here confirms that it was not my ears.

I heard this song on Spotify and immediately listened to Wish I Had an Angel right after that and the difference is stunning. Nightwish hasn't had that kind of intensity in years!

@Kelly-pp1et

18 күн бұрын

Since 2016

@tenorcenter

13 күн бұрын

*puts on Crownless to revive myself*

Imagine you are at school concert as a Singer and too shy to really give into the music and sing "loud and proud". This is the vibe I get with this song's vocal mix. If that makes sense.

I am a NW fan for 22-23 years now and I feel 100% just like you. At this point I feel like, NW cannot bring anything new to the table and this song in particular is a disappointment for me too. I sincerely hope, the other songs will be better.

Please, I’ve been disappointed since 2016.

Seems like they focused way more on the video than the actual track. Cool video 👍

What I found was that after a couple of listenings Floor's voice started to "pop" easier in those choruses. I haven't tried to listen to those drums, have to do that to see if the same happens with them. That "heavy" part is chaotic though, but knowing it's written by Tuomas, there's most likely a reason.

@kimmomatikainen1843

22 күн бұрын

That is how human brains works. People also see human faces in rocks, clouds etc. and that is also part of human nature and how brains work. Also you hear words clearly when you know the lyrics, in singing in generally. Brains also get used to certain dialects. Dialect you don't understand first becomes very clear and easy to understand.

How do we submit songs for you to checkout. I'd love to hear your thoughts on my band

@pin-upmariposa412

16 күн бұрын

If you have Twitch account, try to ask Tank about the reaction during his stream.

Lmao i just watched the podcast with you and Fin. Let's hope shit doesnt go crazy again

Finally, a reactor that's not kissing their ass because they're Nightwish!!!!

@user-kf8wb2cq4f

23 күн бұрын

Maybe..Alot of listeners Honestly like the song. It's Not kissing ass.

@kimmomatikainen1843

22 күн бұрын

@@user-kf8wb2cq4f But many or even most reactors are more or less doing it. At least 95% of the reactors of Nightwish videos praise it and find no criticism. It is not possible that 95% of people likes them or any band or artist or music genre. Not very long ago I watched an older review by two classical musicians who liked the music, but said that song was quite simple or something like that. They got so much trash, that they never reacted to Nightwish again. Of course there are people who like this song, but I wonder how many really like it who are not Nightwish fans. We will know it. By being critical and giving negative reviews you lose followers and views and with that you earn less money. Be polite and give people what they want, they will like and follow you.

@PresidentTaroOkada

21 күн бұрын

This guy is only looking for views, he already has a sponsor in the video lol

@heyy13

20 күн бұрын

@@PresidentTaroOkada Views only matter if you are making money off the views. Since this is content claimed for the music he won't make anything from the views. There's no driver to misrepresent his views either way here.

I have the impression that the music video with its additionnal SFX and probably the YT compression made the mix worse. The mix of the single version sounds better.

I admit that initially I found Floor to be back in the mix but having listened several times it has become a grower. Thank goodness for her versatile vocals and diction as she doesn't need to overpower the music but be part of it. Never mind you've been working with the best female metal singer according to the current poll. LOL

A lot has been said about the mixing, but i don't find it THAT bad. Sure Floor's vocal could be a tad louder in the chorus. But otherwise for me it sounds absolutely amazing. Massive sound, as we're used to from Nightwish. And don't get me wrong, i'm not listening through some laptop speaker. But high end B&W speakers. What puzzles me, is that Tank seems to have some really nice in ears. Which should be more than capable. And yet he feels so strongly about the mix. I guess we all hear differently🤔

@TechGuy774

19 күн бұрын

I listen to a lot of different stuff - and I have to say, the overall sound is too compressed in the chorus and musical interlude - and to some extent, the pre-chorus. So all of the louder parts of the song have no dynamics going on whatsoever. It's just a solid wall of sound. It could be a lot better and more pleasing, without losing any of the energy.

I respect you not liking it. Personally I think it is ethereal and i love it very much. To me it is art and gets more beautiful every time i listen to it. :)

@TechGuy774

19 күн бұрын

I like most of the song. Really don't like how they ruined the pre-chorus, the chorus and that musical interlude though. The entire song has the potential to be great, but they really messed-up the mix in those parts that I mentioned.

I was also wondering at first too. And the sunken-in vocals goes against the grain, and… Love it, on repeat.

I knew what the critique would be. In chorus I noticed the same. I hope they fix this and mix it again. I wish the keyboards were lower. Verses are fine. They've always had this problem.. not in all songs, but that's why I prefer the live versions. When floor sings louder, it should sound louder. Simple as that.

How dare you have an opinion young man.😂😂never stop

I've been a Nightwish fan for over 20 years, I have gotten to the point that they're just such a fixture of my life and I love everything they do. I'm not hardcore or weird, I don't consider myself part of the "Nightwish army" (I find most of those people are weirdo Floor stans and I prefer to distance myself from them). I am one of those people who thinks Tuomas is a "once in a generation" genius composer. I saw them live for the first time back in 2000, in a venue of 900 people. They are at a point now where they can just do whatever the fuck they want, it's all good. They make the music they want to make (well, Tuomas wants to make), not what they think fans might want to hear. And that's good for them right? A lot of musicians wish they had that luxury. Chris Bowes from Alestorm said on Reddit recently that he tried a different sound on one of their recent albums, but fans just want "old school Alestorm", so he felt forced to go back to that saying "I have bills to pay so I hate my life now". I think it is awesome for Nightwish that they don't have those kinds of concerns, good for them. edited to add: the song grows on you btw. It's an acquired taste, so to speak.

Is the lack of Marcus effect. This is how Planet Hell sounds to me now.

Hi Tech ! It´s obvious that Tuomas used Floor´s voice as instrument in between his music. When they, if Nightwish come on stage with this, then Floor´s time is to lead this an other way.

@violetbliss4399

22 күн бұрын

I'm usually the type that really likes that and somehow I didn't get the same liking this time. It was just almost like overpowering noise with the chorus. Listened to it a few times and surely I'll do some more, but maybe I'll have to concede defeat :)

I believe most people agree. the song itself is great, the drumming is great, Floor's vocals are great, the message from Tuomas is great... but it sounds like I mixed it on a 16-track in my basement... and I did the best I could, lol.

@GHOSTSTARSCREAM

22 күн бұрын

You can barely hear anything in this song. How can you say that Floors voice, drumming, is great when it's barely listenable?

@oktober-vh6gl

22 күн бұрын

@@GHOSTSTARSCREAM because you can indeed still hear it, lol, it's just mixed poorly. Tank noticed the drumming too. You can hear it. I'm not certain what your point is... seems like you are agreeing, unless you think the drums suck, vocals suck, etc. Don't you see the difference between the drums being bad vs the drums being mixed poorly?

@visualdarkness

21 күн бұрын

What is the great message? You are a part of evolution and ancestors? It is just a cheap and weak concept in general for a song.

@oktober-vh6gl

21 күн бұрын

@@visualdarkness not sure how to reply to a robot like you... yes! think about how your parents courted, fell in love, had you... think about both sets of grandparents and their love affairs... think about all the troubles they went through, the wars and other horrors your family faced through the centuries. all of their pain and all of their love allowed for you... and apparently, for you to sit their in a puddle of your own piss dissing the whole concept as a "whatever". If you can't understand why that's awesome to contemplate, why it's amazing and a stroke of incredible luck. why it's greater than a lottery win's odds that you're even here... then you're an idiot. cheap and weak, lol. it's deep and meaningful and you just can't see it through your own vanity. at least you're honest, with the word "darkness" in your name. do you piss on everything? just curious. when you write replied in chats online... are they always negative and short-sighted?

My grandson doesn't even like it.. and he's 12

You are right, even previouse album they started to "dim" vocals, but also distorting deep tones, makes it so flat instead expected outbursts,and interchange of intensity, they were once best at...

It sounds like it’s mixed with Dolby atmos or the new apple format in mind. Remember how some stereos would have a vocal mix setting or a spread setting. This seems like it’s set up for that.

@TechGuy774

19 күн бұрын

You kind of nailed it, I think. Apparently there has been a Dolby Atmos version released on Apple Music. Someone on Reddit posted about it and said it sounds a lot better.

I feel like I'm crazy but I have zero issues with the mix on any system I've listened to it on. I don't think a band like Nightwish makes "mistakes" with mixing and mastering

@petershortland478

22 күн бұрын

Oh they do last album for me just felt dull, not exciting

@arkez35

22 күн бұрын

I don't think it was a mistake. I think it's just a test to see how the fans feel about this kind of mixing. And if the fans aren't happy with it then they will mix it better by the time of the album's release. Or they may just cut it from the album entirely. Like I said in another comment on here, this reminds me how Sagan was released as a single but never made it to onto the Endless Forms Most Beautiful upon the album's initial release.

@gabriel.bardac

21 күн бұрын

Zero issues here too with the mix. Those who started with unrealistic expectations are dissatisfied.

@arkez35

21 күн бұрын

@gabriel.bardac - It's mixed exactly as Nightwish intended. It just doesn't sound as good as all of their other songs. It's not "unrealistic expectations" when you expect their songs to have the same kind of mixing that all of their other songs have. The mixing on their songs have been the same for decades. So naturally we expect for the mix to sound the same. And it doesn't. I've been hardcore fan of theirs since the Tarja Era and this is the first song of theirs that has disappointed me. That being said, I think this was just a test run of a new mixing style to see how fans would react. It's experimentation. If this song doesn't do well then they will either mix it like they usually do or it will get cut from the album.

@ougazu32

17 күн бұрын

To me it's not really that bad tho. People are too perfectionist, don't want to accept something they don't like, i bet this song will grow on them. if only they were willing to listen to it more anyway

i see an interview with the guy who are mixt the album ,Mika and he said all that are intentional. They want to the all instruments make 1 and the voice be part of the songs. Its the moove of the band. i think you over exagerated

I think people don't get that this is the final album in a trilogy of albums (EFMB, Human Nature and then this one). If someone hasn't been involved in the previous 2 in this trilogy, some may not get it. I think it will be interesting to hear this song amongst the others in the new album. They just finished a huge tour last year that was postponed by COVID. I think if it hadn't been postponed they would be torturing. Remember Floor also had a cancer diagnosis and surgery and then last year gave birth to her second daughter. I think they deserve a break 2026 will be their 30th Anniversary and I'm sure they will be planning a big tour :) Still nice to see you back doing Nightwish 😃

I agree. The high-hat is super dominant washed in reverb. Certainly the entire mix is an esthetic choice, but I don't think this is their best work in this department.

I don’t understand the issue at all. I have no problem hearing her voice. I like it as I think it signifies her and her line of “ancestors” they are singing with her.🙂

@elsenm3965

19 күн бұрын

Critics are easy listener, nothing has to move or be new, it has to be like everything else.

This song is definitely a GROWER not a SHOWER, if you get my drift

@karelpetr

15 күн бұрын

It is neither... sadly...

@James-if3kc

10 күн бұрын

It figures that someone like you would make a comment like this...

Great review as always. I agree on the mixing and unnecessary chaos. It’s like “what is the goal here?”. It doesnt sound good. And if you listen close it’s very similar to amaranth.

I'm just a simple small casino sound guy, but to my ears...Tank's right! Also it should be noted, your ears change the older ya get, and that can really change the sound of bands later Lp's, and often does! Great tune nonetheless.

Hardcore Nightwish fan here. Hope you will survive the Nightwish army after this one😆 But seriously, thank you for being honest with your opinion and reaction! I have to say, that I am very happy that their new song is more heavy again. Floor's vocals are a bit drowned by the orchestration, but I think it's on purpose in connection with the lyrics and meaning of the song. The part where the "chaotic" guitar part drops in makes more sense in connection with the music video, it's important to have this visuals. I listened to the song a lot since it released and I honestly think it's okay, I like it, but I can understand some of the criticism regarding the mixing. However, some people here making up points about AI or whatever or that they throw out music just to throw out music... Nightwish has been working on the album for the past three years, Tuomas had a clear picture in mind of what's it gonna be. For some of that time they didn't even had an official label because the contract with Nuclear blast ended. They had renewed their contract with them just recently, so there was no presure from Nuclear Blast during the album production. Also in an interview regarding the choosing of Perfume of the Timeless as first single, Tuomas stated that Nuclear Blast is letting Nightwish basically do what they want, ( it's not exactly how he said it, but if you read between the lines it basically means they're so big by now they're going to make good stats and sales anyway, wich is in fact true). Also remember, Nuclear Blast records is also the label for Wintersun, wich are finally going to release Time 2 after more than a decade, while the album was technically finished the whole time, only the mixing wasn't "perfect" in the ears of Jari^^ So I don't think Nuclear Blast records put pressure on Nightwish at all. All of that being said, including that I basically like almost everything Nightwish ever released, no Nightwish album will ever again be on the level of Imaginaerum, my favourite album, and for Yesterwynde I expect no ground breaking stuff, just a solid Symphonic Metal record about some beautiful topics created by my favourite band. Although I am pretty hyped to be honest.

@lea-anne9133

22 күн бұрын

Even as hard-core fan you are saying it's only 'okay' so honestly in your heart you're kind of saying it's not great. And that's okay, you are still allowed not to love it. I've loved them since their first album came out. And I love the song, just not the mix. And that's okay👍🏻

@Erik_Wulf

21 күн бұрын

@@lea-anne9133 don't get me wrong, I do like the song, I am not disappointed or anything. But nothing can beat their OG hits, that's all. I personally don't have a big problem with the mix, but I see why people don't like it. I think we can all agree that it's nothing groundbreaking as some of their other stuff. Although the topic and lyrics of the song are awesome and beautiful^^

@luisebritta6139

21 күн бұрын

I agree with Tank though. For a band that has basically created the genre of symphonic metal, a band that has used high class symphonic orchestras for their recordings, this mix is just disappointing. I get that Tuomas’ wanted it to sound this way but to me, personally, this song sound like a wasted opportunity.

@TechGuy774

19 күн бұрын

​@@luisebritta6139Absolutely right. There are other up-and-coming bands in this genre who are putting out superior-sounding singles and albums (Visions of Atlantis and Elvellon). Nightwish could still compete if they just put the quality into the mix that the others have now days.

@NPK476

13 күн бұрын

@@luisebritta6139 lol Nightwish didn't create symphonic metal, they just copied it.

I can't speak to the objective technical quality - I just don't really have an ear for that. But as far as the creative choice of having Floor's voice further in the background for the chorus... I mean, I think it works! I like the idea of having the vocalist being just another instrument in the song, rather than always having to be front and center - and I think it works for this song specifically. I can only speak for myself of course, but it doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the song at all.

and I wonder why I didn't play this on repeat like every time they release something, I guess I subconsciously had the same feeling about this song, Floor really was just way back there

I get the same feeling from this one that I got the first few times I heard "Elan". I like it, but not my favorite thing they've done. I get the feeling it'll be better in the context of the album

I have heard many opinions in the last 2 weeks, both from some reactors and from some of the fans, that mixing or mastering would not be good. But what matters most to me are the opinions of the band members and those from Finvox (I just saw a revealing interview in this regard, with Mika Jussila from Finvox, the one who handled the mastering of all Nightwish albums) - it seems obvious to me that this was the intention of the band members, because I understand that they gave their feedback permanently in this process. For me, the discussion on this topic is collateral. So I enjoy this creative manifestation of the band I love. Besides, I am convinced that the mixing will be completely different in their future live performances, years from now.

@SamBrockmann

22 күн бұрын

Just because the band did this intentionally doesn't make it good. 😒

@alexandersteinmetz6857

22 күн бұрын

Well, does He say WHICH Bandmembers? I hang on to your Postive Vibes for the Future.

@gabriel.bardac

22 күн бұрын

@@SamBrockmann A line from "Music" that seemed significant to me: "There, I'll greet the greedy crowd / But will never, never ever sing to them" I think this verse perfectly describes this situation, unfortunately. Unlike you, I don't have the absurd pretension to tell Tuomas what/how to do.

@zvolencan1

22 күн бұрын

"I am convinced that the mixing will be completely different in their future live performances." That may be true, but people listen to album versions primarily, you don´t go to concerts every day.

@ecstasyecs

22 күн бұрын

@@gabriel.bardac 👏👏👏👏

Why I’d never make it in the music industry: I couldn’t hear what Tank was talking about.

@eddiekalista3222

20 күн бұрын

Just means you can’t mix/master/engineer. And I’m in the same boat. I can hear what Tank is talking about, but mainly cause it was pointed out to me. Give me a random track, and I can tell you I think it sounds wrong, but idk why or how to fix it.

As much as I love nightwish and this single, you made MANH good points that I clearly ignored due to my fanboying 😂 love your vids tank thanks for reacting.

Appreciate an honest opinion, as long as it's not biased.

I really agree with you I'm disappointed It's like could have been a really great song but it's seems lacking, like where the big vocalist moment that we had in every song from tarja era to now ? I know that Marko quitted but it's also lacking the raspy counter voice that also gave it's magic to Nightwish Hearing this song feels like I'm waiting for something and it's never appears, Floor buried the whole time by the instru, nothing raspy to give an countervibe, feels like eating white rice without even salt, comestible but not great Hope the whole album isn't like this

Well , I think it is fantastic. And my JBL speakers agrees with me.

Reminds me of the Overproduction of some Blind Guardian Albums, i love "somewhere far beyond' and then i got lost somewhere on the way.

true, Floor's voice sounds almost lost in the music..still love this song alot. true fans also needs the hear negative reactions and deal with it. thank you Tank for your reaction.. can't wait to hear it live..sadly they don't tour for 2 years..greets from the NW Army in the Netherlands.

I will hold off until the album drops. It's not the most exhilarating single (and agreed about the mix, though I have to think that is intentional), but Tuomas is still the rare writer who writes albums, not singles, and much of Human:Nature was not really "single" material, so I want to hear it in album context.

@Qwarzz

5 күн бұрын

Yea, I doubt the whole album will be stuff like this song. This felt more like disc two of Human Nature.

I was a little disappointed the 1st time too. But after a few times I grew to love it. It's actually great.

@Wollie1979

22 күн бұрын

Same here….its just another masterpiece. 🤟🏼👍🏻

@havtor007

22 күн бұрын

Good for you for me it does not grow on me it is as disappointing as the first time personally but happy for you that you found it growing.

@jonathanratliff4780

22 күн бұрын

@@Wollie1979it’s real good, but not a masterpiece in any sense

@nightringer9815

22 күн бұрын

Exactly what the lyrics said We are not I am

First time i didn't like this song but it's growing in me

finally an honest comment