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@dbfi01

2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried looking at it upside down? Noone really knows what side is up, do they?

@telebubba5527

2 жыл бұрын

@@dbfi01 The very first impression I had was that it is a person standing inbetween two trees. Then I had the same thought and took the image from Andrew Collins website to have a look how it looked from a different perspective. The only angle that triggered my imagination somewhat is at 45 degrees to the left. With a bit of imaginatin it could look like someone bending over with two hands or spades stretching out. But in all honesty it looks like one of those kind of pictures where you can see an old woman or a young lady depending on how you focus. It's a shame it's broken because it could have given more clearance on how to look at it.

@SonicBrosEvolution

2 жыл бұрын

Matt I'd just like to go on record, to thank you for all your amazing work! It's all above board. . Precise , well written, and researched, as well as highly entertaining. Just riveting . Thank you my brother!

@mortenthomassen4957

2 жыл бұрын

@Ancient Architects. Tjek this one out, he is good. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ao2ltriuqcW8Z5s.html

@dadsonworldwide3238

2 жыл бұрын

Bibles pretty sound when it says the light came on in man between the mouth of these rivers. So it had be custodians or priests passing down its location. Even if it's just when mankind decided to civilize. Either way, this location had been known far too long without proper investigation which surprises me.

As a graphic designer I find it hilarious to think some day archaeologists might argue over my crappy 1st year design projects, not realizing I didn’t know what the hell I was doing 😂

@brianmsahin

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Maybe whoever did this was a first year student too!

@paul6925

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmsahin You never know!

@johnbigboote8900

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever I took notes in any subject I would often wonder what an archaeologist would make of them if that was all the information that they had from our civilization.

@paul6925

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnbigboote8900 Especially all the doodles in the margins (in my notes at least)

@toastnjam7384

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment reminded me of a humorous coffee table book a friend had. Archeologist a few thousand years in the future uncovered a motel with skeletons in some of the beds and misinterpreted everything. They thought it was a catacomb and the bathrooms were a family shine to name a couple of mistakes.

Took the architecture board exams last weekend and one of the questions in history is about Gobekli Tepe. Guess what, your videos are the first things that came to my mind and so I answered confidently 😄 Thank you for your videos 😊 *Btw, I passed the exam and now officially a licensed architect ❤ Sending love from 🇵🇭

Brilliant laying out of your suppositions and conclusion. I had already started seeing the bird just when you said it. Now I can't unsee it. Modern people keep crucifixes and statuary in their homes, and wear religious symbols around their necks, as reminders of their faith. Reading for my anthropology degree, I understood that throughout all of time, people have the same emotions and this is how we can understand our ancient ancestors. Though they had vastly different cultures and conditions, they still felt the same emotions we do, and this is our commonality. Confronting death, loss, illness, the unknown, and forces beyond our control, motivates humans to create ways to cope. Millions of modern humans carry prayer beads, or faith based objects. I can imagine this little object being carried in a pocket, to help the owner stay focused on his/her spiritual comfort and practice, as they went about their daily life with the uncertainty of what tomorrow may bring. Beautifully constructed argument.

@watchingthesky1973

2 жыл бұрын

It can be so. However it also could be a decorated but quite a practical thing, a tool, such as a hides scraper. The picture where cracks are shown demonstrates that only the right part of the item was intensively worn, so the central part of it was lost. It would be very interesting to perform a trace analysis of neighbouring parts of the items edge, and to try to find organic remains on them.

@PatchouliPenny

2 жыл бұрын

@@DX-ws5tm really? How do you know this for sure?

@Hummmminify

2 жыл бұрын

@@DX-ws5tm They didn't have pockets it's true but they had pouches, either around their neck or tied around their waist or slung over their shoulders. I think that the pouches turned into purses.

Vulture symbolism as a fertility figure is a good theory, one of many. I appreciate your well reasoned explanation of this tiny artifact that is 2" x 1" and very thin at 3mm. I suspect the missing part had a hole drilled through it so it could have been held on a leather or woven fiber necklace or bracelet. Whoever possessed it valued it. I have a notion also that these people may have practiced "sky burial" similar to what occurs in areas such as Tibet and Mongolia and India. In sky burials, human bodies after death are broken up and left for vultures and eagles to consume.

@fladoodel

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus that's gruesome

Matt I'm inclined to think your interpretation is the best one. I also think this is a talisman/souvenir that we might buy outside a Cathedral or Temple just like today.

@smileawhile3788

2 жыл бұрын

@Scott Bulgrin that was one of my first thoughts as well. 😀

@SCOTTBULGRIN

2 жыл бұрын

@@DX-ws5tm prove it.

@otarthemad9780

2 жыл бұрын

@@DX-ws5tm The Catholic church I attended as a child had a small “gift shop”. I remember our family getting a crucifix and some rosaries there.

@robertsmith1860

2 жыл бұрын

@OtarTheMad Yes, the Catholic Church I attended as a child also had a small “Holy Items” gift shop in the foyer connected to the Church entrance/exit. In purchasing a Rosary and a St Christopher medal, I recall being told by the sales clerk that there is no need to seek a Priest to formally “Bless” the items, since all such items sold there had been previously blessed by a Priest…which always gave me a strange feeling when contemplated.

It could be like one of those drawings that kids make and wind up on the refrigerator. The broken off section might have said mom in gold macaroni. Jes throwing the idea out there …

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

😂👍

@Oldsmobile69

2 жыл бұрын

"Look mom, I drew preggers the bird!"

@bauhnguefyische667

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oldsmobile69 🤣👍

I think it might be a Gobekli Tepe souvenir. If hunters and gatherers were visiting this ancient attraction then they must have had a gift shop.

@soggysparrow1227

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was imagining too ☺️

@owenritz1224

2 жыл бұрын

@@DX-ws5tm Thank you. But I was being facetious. Everyone knows the Pyramids had the first gift shops about 7000 years later.

A votive offering related to the cult surrounding the sanctuary of Gobekli Tepe? Maybe Devotional Images were meant for pilgrims? Very interesting, thanks for all this information, greetings! ✌

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ancient Sites! Hope you’re doing good!

@ancientsitesgirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@AncientArchitects I'm doing great, your research on Neolithic Turkey is astonishing, take care!!

@jakecrouch3615

2 жыл бұрын

@@AncientArchitects 7

@Tugela60

2 жыл бұрын

Except that similar religous structures are found in towns and other locations in Turkey, not just Gobekli Tepe. It was just the religous symbolism of the time.

I just want to note: @ 3:50 if that is a carving depicting a walkway receding into the distance- that would be EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT as that would be the FIRST and ONLY known drawing with a 3D perspective/depth- something that would not be seen again for THOUSANDS of years until like the Greeks, if not even later... The "invention" of "perspective" is extremely "modern."

Yes, your hypothesis definitely has merit. Vulture imagery was evidently the go-to iconography for the designers of Göbekli Tepe, so, on purely statistical grounds, there’s a strong likelihood of any drawing being a vulture. It was truly a culture of vultures haha lol. Plus, people tend to draw living things rather than inanimate ones, they’re just more interesting and enjoyable to draw, and have greater spiritual and emotional significance. Certainly, when you compare the drawing against photos of actual vultures, there’s a surprisingly convincing likeness. The square shapes could be both vulture wings and also referencing the capitals of the pillars, a preferred shape or decorative motif in that culture’s artistic vocabulary which occurred in various contexts irrespective of what they were meaning to represent.

Intruging hyothesis and very much plausible to be! Can't be unseen now, actually. You could even see what you interpreted as the legs as being the feathered wingtip, so the lower part of the object would depict the legs in a very reduced/stylized way. Great job as always, Matt!! Oh and btw it really struck me when you showed the pictures of the bearded vultures. Such magnificent creatures! I see why ancient peoples would regard them as divine

A very good interpretation, in my opinion. I also agree the stars and round hole interpretations are a stretch at best. They seem to have been force fit based on the interpreter’s preconception, in my opinion. The vulture iconography makes very good sense, and has more precedent than someone trying to draw a picture of some stones.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Interesting take Matt, but I think we just need to keep this simple, it's two columns mirrored. All the structures in theTemple are mirrored so it only makes sense. As far as the marks on the columns it might just be a way for the artist to show that's a solid structure. I don't thnk people realise how small an artifact this is. The fact they got this much information on there is remarkable.

Have you considered that you may be looking at it upside-down? Also, maybe a microscope could help distinguish erosion, material flaws and intentional markings.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thought about it but I could personally not see anything when rotating it. But you could well be right

@theshadow4737

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you that my impression is also the object is upside down.

@manoo422

2 жыл бұрын

@@theshadow4737 What does it depict when turned upside down?

@theshadow4737

2 жыл бұрын

@@manoo422 I have no idea as half seems to be missing.

@walteringle2258

2 жыл бұрын

[Use ctrl+alt+up-arrow on a keyboard, return by same with down-arrow] That would create something that looks like a river system, possibly mythical, I don't know the terrain of that area and where rivers were flowing 11k years ago, making the premise of a 'bullroarer' moot, though, per my previous post, it would be interesting, considering the art could be that complex, if primitive (duh).

Vultures and renewal. Also because many cultures practiced "sky burial". The vultures ate the flesh of the dead. So very important in the entire death - resurrection - ascending etc. beliefs and rites. Excellent interpretation of the fragment. Not sure I would have spotted it tbh. But when you point it out, especially with that real vulture and that pose, spot on!

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I thought so. I just wasn’t sure anyone would see what I see!

@Northern5tar

2 жыл бұрын

@@AncientArchitects The feet always bothered me. That "pillar" curving outwards like that, didn't make any sense. This one is perfect. You have it.

@Northern5tar

2 жыл бұрын

@@AncientArchitects Actually, you have me rethinking everything. Because two T-shape pillars make excellent sky-burial stands. You can place the body on a 'bed' with wooden poles and lift it on top. Now the body is a fair ways raised of the ground and dinner's served for the vultures. There had to be a reason for starting to use T-shapes. What if the entire thing began as a mere "sky burial" site? You might just have unlocked the entire mystery with this key piece.

@JMM33RanMA

2 жыл бұрын

@@AncientArchitects Given that pareidolia seems to be an inherent characteristic of the human mind, people will likely see many different things, and will proceed to argue about which is the correct view! "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!"

@Northern5tar

2 жыл бұрын

@@JMM33RanMA I don't agree. There is context. Like the lines for feathers is precisely how it was still done at Çatalhöyük. It also happens to be a weak point in the "pillar" hypothesis. Likewise the feet and toes. The pillars don't have these features. And not only does The Vulture correspond with the carving, it also fits in with the other imagery we're seeing. No convoluted "stars" or "port holes" or "alignments" or whatever. Basic logic says the most straightforward is most likely to be the correct one. This interpretation is as elegant, beautiful and straightforward as they come. It clicks and fits instantly. It's absolutely brilliant. Matt, should you read this, it's pure genius. And potentially huge in its significance (I think it is).

Oh man. I've started at these pictures for ages. I always thought it was an animal. Now you just completely blew my mind. It's totally the fit. Now I see it. I can't unsee it. Thanks Matt,

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Glad some people agree! Thank you

@yodaco

2 жыл бұрын

Also. Do you think it's possible that they practiced things on bone before committing images to pillars or what have you.

I like your comments. Often some people make huge waves with theories that go against all known concepts about ancient cultures. They were amazing in their own right without the need to explain what they developed as some great hidden/lost advanced knowledge or technology. Thanks for your analysis.

The peoples who built this site, and made the items with it, were some seriously complex individuals for the period. Never ceases to surprise and amaze!

For me you really don't need to justify how qualified you are to comment on historical topics you always have a balanced view and over the last couple of years you seem to have become very evidence based with keeping speculation to realistic levels. I think I've been subbed for at least 3 or 4 year's and none of your videos are dogmatic and you seem to have the ability to amend your views when new theory's or evidence appear whilst still keeping an open mind to the more magical theory's around human civilization and history. Keep up the good work my good sir 🤠👍

The 11,000 year old bone spatula is impressive regardless of its meaning. However, I wonder if ancient "technology" that prceeded this was even more advanced. Specifically, the Denisovian bracelet that is dated from 40 to 65, 000 years old appears to display an incredible level of workmanship. One can only hope that more discoveries can further illustrate our true ancient history.

@lmccampbell

2 жыл бұрын

there has never been any ancient technology that matches even iron age tech or bronze age tech in prehistory, let alone any industrial technology.

@brianmsahin

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly though we can't rule out the possibility that this was carved by a not very talented individual, or someone still learning the art of carving.

@brianmsahin

2 жыл бұрын

@Luke McCampbell Carmine didn't mention anything in relation to the iron or bronze age and I don't think there was an implication that Denisovian technology was better than it, merely it was a comparison between two pre-pottery groups, one significantly further back than the other. I think you are jumping to a wrong conclusion my friend.

@bakfixx

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmsahin Exactly.

@bbwt9991

2 жыл бұрын

@Luke McCampbell I don't think the commentor was making any reference to iron or bronze age technology Luke. It was referring to Denisovian vs this particular piece of art. Some of their work is really intricate.

Some historians are too quick to interpret everything in terms of astrological/astronomical terms. This is a breath of fresh air to find an interpretation based on iconography already identified at this site. Vulture symbols are extremely common in Gobeklitepe, they are a common bird in the region and are also a common symbol in some of the oldest religions in particular regard to funerary rites. Death is commonly linked with birth so I can see where the idea of a phallic symbol could come from but personally I think this is too much of a stretch. I really enjoyed watching this and I'll definitely be watching more of your content. Excellent work!

This looks like a tool for measuring and making clothes. The patina and wear and tear suggest perhaps wool works. So if it is measuring things, the markings on the edge corresponds to measurements for that part of the human body clothing. The two rectangular figures behind the humanoid figure looks like two or one weaving loom thingy.

@andrecostermans7109

2 жыл бұрын

or some spool/reel for holding thin threads, or indeed could also been an instrument in weaving ( distance holder)

I think it's upside down. An animal, with 4 legs and a head at the bottom. The point between the legs is perhaps a tail.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s an animal too!

Matt, I think your description is the most plausible. I kept seeing a human in a costume and when you said bird, it clicked.

Quite convincing analysis& reconstruction! I like this hypothesis, in hindsight it is ready to follow each step, but in the making it's not a simple thing to do..💡

I will never unsee the vulture now! Thank you so much for your un-biased view on this artifact, it helps a lot!

One personal object surviving 1000’s of years would be astounding, but more likely would be one object surviving out of many that were made-maybe this is the first tourist item! There’s an idea that Gobekli Tepe was a place of educational significance, and that picture of the pillar with all the connected animals looks like a sequence of evolutionary development in a certain kind of animal. Maybe this bone was one way to remember all that a person would learn there. Neat stuff!

I think the pedestal holds a standing stone ,used in astronomy as a marker for celestial objects,as the T pillars are depicted head on (not sideways),it's not a path its a marker

Absolutely 14:28 !!! This proves that we guys always aspire to create (either drawing like, or rhyming like... ) Dr. Seuss.

It is a beautiful piece & whoever made it had a wonderful artistic ability. So many have it & they are just born with it. I love the 3D explanation & it seems to show up. It could well be their remembrance of a visit to this special place.

I loved the premature explanation concept mentioned in this video. For me, this statement just about sums up every problem with every baseless claim made for historic objects, events, buildings etc., and the fairly obvious connection of premature explanation with premature ejaculation really brings to life the way in which so many theories are given form, leapt upon, ravished, occasionally inseminated with foreign bodies by egos that seek to be the first to penetrate the subject, and in doing so, to fail and splash their impotent ideas into the minds of those followers who will read or listen to those who love to experience premature excitement. Being the first to hold an opinion, and perhaps any opinion as long as they have an onanistic opinion that their hyperactive brains can cling to, is the problem faced by most historical you tuber's channels. So much excitement and so little foreplay and/or care for the subject at hand, and yes, premature explanations abound to cast a multitude of sticky deposits and fantasy depositions all over the unpenetrated veils of an apparently virtuous historical subject.

maybe each decorated pillar had its own worshipper or even priest and every worshipper had a "name tag"? so every worshipper/priest would be assigned to its righteous pillar?

I didn’t even see the whole thumbnail when I clicked on the video and my first thought was “someone carved a bird” so I’m inclined to agree

Something interesting in Pilar H is that all the animals are travelling in the same direction

I think you proposed a well reason hypothesis. The symbol of the vulture in its various forms should be cataloged for more research. So interesting to wonder if these concepts were as important as ancient deities or as ordinary as an offhand design of a popular theme on a common tool.

13:42 These seem perfectly similar to the two "eyes" at 13:09 . Imo either they are all in, or all out.

@olemann77

2 жыл бұрын

I'd add that the other animals has round eyes. Making a round hole as eyes would probably be easier than two equal grooves.

Great new point of view! You’ve done it again!

Really good analysis! I believe that Göbekli Tepe was a place where you placed the dead between the big pillars and let the holy birds eat the corpse.

Very interesting! The idea with the bird - an eagle or so, I find very realistic! It should be discussed!

I see the vulture pecking at something on the ground. Its long beak has a fine point. The edge above is smooth and finished like an arrow head. It is broken from a larger image. It looks more elegant if you see the long beak pecking at the grown. No stick figure. Lose that idea of Collins - with all respect to him. I see this other image without the image needing to be magnified. Maybe it was a child being taught how to carve?

You’ve got the best idea I’ve come across! Well done.

Awesome. Always a pleasure to see your video.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

great video as usual matt, thank you for posting. cheers mate.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

To me, it looks more like two barefoot naked persons with hair, holding hands and looking at those three stars. And that pointed thing between them can be the excitement of the person behind them, who carved this xd

I like the "Vulture" concept. The "Phallic" object below may be a stretch however. The fragment appears to be incomplete. In my view, it may simply be the "tail" of another creature, as it appears to want to continue further downward.(?) And, are we certain we are looking at it from the desired angle? Thanks Matt for the challenge.

Honestly, I think you are totally correct. Excellent analysis. Giving significance to the slight marks is definitely stretching it and choosing only particular pit marks to point to a star system while ignoring the other marks is bad science in my opinion. I go with the vulture. Yes, may not be right, but on our last visit to the area we actually saw soaring vultures near Göbekli Tepe. Three species are found in the area as far as I know, the Griffon Vulture, Egyptian Vulture and Cinereous Vulture so the depiction of this bird is a strong possibility. Well done!!

I don't think it's Göbekli Tepe, though we can't rule it out entirely. It's probably abstract art, maybe representing people, or at least some kind of abstract art messing around with shape design and symbols, which is how symbols and writing came to be invented. The lines in different sections may actually be some early attempts at math before numbers, they might have been carved for some record or tally or for some obscure cultural purpose. The similarity in design to those pillars might be simply because there was an artistic style that spread for many centuries through the burgeoning cultures in the region that shared the same abstract geometric aesthetic with the culture that made Göbekli Tepe and the bone plaque is a relic of that same culture.

Andrew sees Cygnus everywhere. On the other hand, IIRC, some cultures associated Cygnus with vultures rather than a swan.

You're always so insightful

sky burials had to be prevelant during this time ...i love the theory 👍

The amulet is packed with symbolisms,like drawings revealing it's immages depending on where on the picture you focus.

I think you're right on!!! My first impression was a bird head and likely a vulture. Really good work!!

absolutely loved the video .... and i totally agree with your hypothesis about it being a vulture.... your idea is ground and has merit ..... the other theories seem so far fetched.... bird art yup that sounds about right considering the the huge amount of animal depictions at the site.... absolutely love you channel keep up the hard work....

Ah ha it's The Vulture Culture, it's a rather catchy name! Great insight on your part and you've made some excellent points, so I thank you.

I can see some of what you are saying it's unfortunate this piece is missing so much of the one side. I've looked at it from all angles and it is intriguing but again with the missing piece??. I hope they continue to work at this site and all these sites I believe there is much more important things to come.

I like your interpretation Matt, well argued I thought.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir 🙏

The part you say are the vulture legs could be said to be the bottom of the wings and the phallic shape could be the space between its thick legs. Continuous line art can be confusing to interpret unless you are the artist creating it because they have a clear understanding of what’s inside and outside of the image. As for the small lines (so called dots) I agree too that they shouldn’t be interpreted much there’s a lot of them not even mentioned and could of been early scratches before it was used to draw upon, maybe even evidence of animals removing the meat.

Bravo. I immediately saw a birdman, but I think you’re hypotheses is most likely. It’s better than two pillars with random lines through them.

I’m a theater design major and we talk a lot about how material informs design. The properties of our materials add restrictions force us to make different decisions than our original concept. Nowadays we just choose a different material but when this carving was made obviously there were limited resources. Maybe the image is linear because curved lines were hard to carve. Maybe the carvings followed natural markings that already occurred in the material. Why did the creator use bone and maybe not something easier carve? Or is it that carvings existed on many materials but this one survived. So many questions!!!

I agree on the Vulture idea. It is what I saw almost instantly when viewing the high resolution images...

What about its shape? Why is the top concave. The missing area on the right side looks almost like it might have been fitted into a handle. The "business" end at the bottom might have had some percussive, scrape, of chisel function.

I'm consumed by the thought that this a trading center. The t pillars could be a representation of the goods offered, as well as the supports for shade covering. Each circular enclosure is for a separate band. Not everything is a temple. It is much easier to imagine multiple groups working together rather than the instant we stopped being hunter gatherers.

Anyone else just see a vulture? Just looks like a vulture with its haunches up to me.

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes!!! That’s the last third of the video! Someone else sees it too! (This made me happy) 😂

11,000 year old theme park map. Can't read it now, but one of those animals stands for "you are here, A-Lot parking" 😂🤣😂

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂

I instantly saw a person. The legs even seem to have knees and a real leg shape. I don't think anyone would draw a vulture with square wing "haunches". The T shaped pillars are the obvious and it was found in a site predominantly covered with T shaped pillars. I think it is a man, in front of 2 T shaped pillars.

It looks like a souvenir to me. A little bit of our trip to Gobekel. I have a little carved statue of liberty.

I believe your opinion is correct. Straight away i considered the Human figure idea incorrect & i believe the two horizontal short lines in the centre, to be eyes. Your vulture theory is the best yet! 🇬🇧

I really enjoy the way you support your theories. Always well thought out. As I was watching though I can't help thinking what about a kid making a drawing of a vulture? I mean these were people with families...an artisan that gave his kid a scrap piece of bone and a tool to keep him busy? Not very academic but it is very human 🙂

Bonjour il me semble que votre analyse est la plus pertinente. J avais en effet remarqué les stries jumelées que je pris pour des mains...et les deux yeux. Merci de nous emmener si loin

Its one of the bringers of knowledge, standing in front of Göbekli tepe. In left hand he is holding the famous handbag.

Looks like a keep sake, like a picture showing you visiting the site. Visitors may have used them as passes to enter.

I like your idea and thanks for sharing!

the reality is this could also be a childs work and given to a parent as a gift. as humans we would love for this discovery to be some fantastic religious relic with some great meaning but we have to look at all the other possibilities no matter how mundane they might be

@michaeljoyce9161

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought; a scrap of bone given to a child to draw on. The adult then keeping and polishing it because it was their child's best artwork.

Not a conjecture without merit by any means. Well done Matt.

As always a very nice video. Maybe a got you wrong at 15:47. What you think are human legs and feet are the wings with feathers in the end. The legs are the bottom triangle.

Very interesting. I’m an artist and evaluating your critique and specifically the “vulture”…strong case made for the hunched bird with talons and thick legs…however if I was drawing a vulture in that position I would have large wings at the birds sides…what I see here is a bird in flight, perhaps diving from the air in attack….the “arrow” ( you refer to it as a phallic object) to me indicates speed and flight…much as an illustrator will make scratches behind a moving object to indicate motion ( a car or a bicycle or airplane)

The iconography of all these sites blows me away! Compare to Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian.

IIRC T-Shaped pillars are depicted in Ancient Egyptian pictograms in the background of scenes featuring the ‘giant light bulb’.

I love your channel and have been a subscriber for about two years or so. At 2:46 in your video I noticed what appears to be a man-like figure in the center lower half of the fragment? A right leg and a left leg leading up to a right arm and a fist holding a bent rod of some type and a left arm with a crab-like appendage going up to a well muscled forearm and shoulder going up to a right facing head ? Any thoughts?

I think that the vulture supposition is the most likely of the three. But I do have a question - how do they know that it is right side up?

Astonishingh and peculiar interpretación....that lead US to think.....thank you....the questions are more important than the answers!!!!🤔👏👏👏👏👏👏

WELL SPOTTED. TOTALY AGREE WITH YOU. ONCE AGAIN GREAT VIDEO KEEP EM COMMING ;)

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

The vulture is a very good candidate! Making curved lines in bone is difficult and can often end up being straight lines instead. We could see it upside the illustration down for that matter, which might give a different picture.

The more excavation the more things will become clear! Maybe! A very good presentation! The vulture I see clearly now!

I like your interpretation of it being a vulture as seen head on. Lot of birds carved at Gobekli Tepe.

I always saw a face. Now I see a vulture. The top of the artifact’s shape also hints at the top of the wings. I agree. Thank you Matthew.

As I said earlier I don't think the bone fragment shows two t-pillars. The proportions are not right for t-pillars. Also, if the enclosures had roofs, the central pillars certainly were less prominent and the star observatory hypothesis does not work anymore. Your Picasso-Vulture hypothesis is pure genius. I love it. Humans back then were just like we are today. There is no reason to believe they were less intelligent or generally inferior compared to us. When they were able to see a human in a T-pillar with relief arms and hands, they certainly were able to see a vulture in this bone carving. Why is not known how old it is? I thought it was possible to radio carbon date bone. Is it known what kind of bone it is made of? How much longer can it possibly have been? Maybe the object on the lower end of the bone fragment actually shows tail and butt of another animal. I don't know, but I don't think it is impossible. Apart from the topic of the video: Small to medium size circular holes and objects in the Tas Tepeler sites usually are beautifully round and look like mathmatically perfect circles. But all the big, round enclosures are quite far away from being perfect circles. Why? The ancient architects ;-) obviously had some kind of compass tool. Without one it is impossible to make near perfectly circular holes. Almost certainly they also knew how to use strings (probably with knots) to measure the length of various objects. A string is a perfectly simple tool that can easily be carried back and forth between the quarry and the construction site. It makes it possible to premanufacture parts in the quarry and fit them in place in the construction site without much rework. It is proven that they premanufactured the T-pillars in the quarries and probably they premanufactured other big stone slabs too. Once you have a string for measuring lengths, it just takes a bit of playing in the sandpit to find out how to draw circles using the same string. Scaling it up is no big deal. My guess is, the round enclosures were never intended to be perfect circles or other geometric figures. The shape probably was the old form follows function thing. An enclosure that is more or less round, elliptical or oval simply is better suited to the proposed roof design than a rectangular enclosure.

I watch, listen, and stay subscribed, because of your unbiased observations, and professional opinions I also do the same because of your speculations based on your expertise. This is a history and archaeology channel, not a conspiracy and fantasy channel. Thank you for your astute observations, opinions, and insight.

Great job. I can completely see the logic and image.

So satisfying and fascinating. What a find!

The vulture comparison seems as good as any. The vultures feeding from the dead is a good representation of the special human trait of learning from past generations and recording events and knowledge to be passed down to the living after those who invented or experienced something are long gone. The feeding vulture is consuming knowledge. It may be worthwhile to look into the significance of the vulture headress that the queens of Egypt are depicted wearing. I think it has something to do with a cult of Nekhbet at El-Kab in Upper Egypt and symbolized protection of the king.

You did it again Matt! I see the Vulture!

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

It looks like a man between two pillars. Samson in the Book of Judges, and the Pillars of Herakles spring to mind.

Looks like a man holding 2 fish slices. Could be an ancient version of Edward Scissor Hands?

@AncientArchitects

2 жыл бұрын

Trust Hollywood to do another bloody remake!

Imagine this having been made by some 8-year old to kill some time and now, 10 000 years later an army of grown-up academics are racing to give it ever more complex meaning…

@paulparkinson7118

2 жыл бұрын

Having read all the comments after watching the video think you have got this right

at 4:46 I wonder what the purpose of the unexcavated area between the pillars, right in front of the mysterious hole could be. Is it filled back in for some reason, or could there be something else related to the hole there since it's right in line with the hole?

A large bird is all I've ever seen in this engraving, similar to the pillars of course but closer to a hunched vulture

Thank you. Your hypothesis is a perfect example of the refutal of a first idea that gets set in stone just becaue it makes sense. It seems to me that too often, in archeology, an idea becomes fact just because it makes sense. The first thing I thought about that "pillar", is why does it curve into a wall at the bottom? In any case, the pillars should be represented going straight into the ground. I don't know how you managed to see a vulture but it's there, and it makes more sense to me than the pillars theory.

love this channel m8