Love Gobekli Tepe? Then follow the Tepe Telegrams here! It's the blog actually produced by the archaeologists working on the site. www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/ Big thanks again to Jens for having a chat on the channel. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did! I know there's so much more to GT than we covered here. Anytime you or your colleagues want to chat Jens, pop on over to casa del Milo!

@aidanmagill6769

4 жыл бұрын

Idea for a new video; how the paradigms of archaeology have evolved over the years.

@thenbwkmtkspktrminc.4613

4 жыл бұрын

Stefan Milo, do you mind having a discussion with SA NETER TV ? It's a Pro Black channel with some of the best scholars of world history. I'm tired of Soo many European scholars avoiding real FACTS just because it will debunk a lot of historical data taught at those Whitesupremist universities. Y'all do know that your not going to get the chronologically correct factual historical data from those Whitesupremacy University. So if you're not ashamed of your research and European Ancestry then I'm sure you'll be invited to correct anything that OUR scholars teach to US, the Pro Black COMMUNITY ✌🏿

@lesliesylvan

4 жыл бұрын

I want to know if they defleshed their own family members; and/or ate them, in a solemn cermemonial dinner, of course . . . with a side of greens. Sorry. I couldn't help myself. It's late.

@garytucker5748

4 жыл бұрын

Hunters lodge!!

@bardmadsen6956

4 жыл бұрын

Stefan Milo and Jens Notroff- Gobekli Tepe, especially enclosure D, seems straight forward to me, why is it that interpretations seem to be lacking from the multidisciplinary work on the site? Vulture, albatross, dodo bird... I have done my share of research and it sure looks like the main central monolith is standing on seven dodo birds that would represent the Pleiades. This is common in ancient symbolism as dominance over the underlining subject, such as the video of Iraq's Saddam Hussein statue being slapped with shoes when taken down and other ancient symbolism. The other monolith has a bull on its chest symbolizing Taurus. These two are surrounded by twelve pillars representing the constellations. The puzzle pieces fit very closely with the basically proven younger dryas impact theory which matches the dates of the catastrophe that changed the Pleistocene into the Holocene and of Gobekli Tepe. With the die-off of the megafauna and many humans, plus the extreme climate changes it is no wonder that agriculture is suspected to occur at this time. The Taurid Stream is on top of the list of suspects in astrophysics and is stated as such in mythology with the bull and the seven birds on its back destroying the world. This is why there was the Apis bull, the bulls at Catalhoyuk, bull fighting, veneration of the bovine in India, and the brindle ox...etc. Advanced civilization as in beyond what the majority have formed as a consensus such as the precession of the equinoxes known way before Hipparchus. Another example is the lapidary work on the obsidian mirror found in the same general area.

What an excellent chat. You should make conversations with archeologists like this a regular thing. Think of all the viewing hours :D

@gordonc615

4 жыл бұрын

Just found your channel History Time, good stuff!

@andy2069

3 жыл бұрын

@@boagski just curious. What don't you think he understands? Not understanding implies someone else does or implied that there is a greater understanding being missed.

@boagski

3 жыл бұрын

Andy from the information provided, I think a more reasonable assumption would be. People at that time, that we know had basic tools and a very nomadic lifestyle and lived all over the land surrounding. They found that place, with the greater protection, stability and benefits. Population goes up so the place is sacred and worshipped, attracts greater unity, more tribes. Big seasonal hunts are carried out. With that comes hundreds if not thousands or birds, which are trapped and hunted. Eventually so much progress is made they try to replicate the sacred architecture in tribute on other locations

@kaarlimakela3413

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! There are so many on-going archeological long-term projects right now and updates like this are very helpful.

@notmyname9625

3 жыл бұрын

I just watched ur documentary on the sea people and the late Bronze Age just last night. Super well done good job man. I can tell u put a lot of time into those videos just wanted to lyk I appreciate it.

As a humble commercial archaeologist slogging away through a wet British winter it’s great to hear an un-sensationalised conversation about Gobekli Tepe. Jens was a great guest. Thanks to you both.

@adamlane6453

2 жыл бұрын

It is too bad that the bulk of online content about any given archeological site of interest is sensationalized and conspiracy theory-ridden BS. Stefan's work on KZread is a manifestation of the most optimistic promises the internet offered us in its early days. I hope more people can make such contributions as our relationship with the internet continues to evolve.

@stevemoyer2273

Жыл бұрын

Also not to hear Schmidt's - beginnings of religion nonsense.

@burgerbobbelcher

11 ай бұрын

What does a commercial archeologist do?

@aly.m.2705

9 ай бұрын

@@burgerbobbelcherI would like to know as well

@MossyMozart

6 ай бұрын

@@burgerbobbelcher - I cannot say what this person slogs away at (mad respect for what s/he has to do in all weathers!), but my good friend, who owns a commercial archaeology company, is hired to examine various sites prior to digging and building as required by law - highways, big commercial buildings, airports, etc.

Really highlights the difference between a scientist and a conspiracy theorist. A scientist changes his story to match new evidence a conspiracy theorist changes new evidence to match his story.

@nevid4694

Жыл бұрын

What an excellent comment thank you! an Excellent video. It is a 3 year old video. Now we know they lived there and processed vast amounts of food, etc. Vast numbers of ground stone have been found there and living quarters. We know more now. What a great guest, so interesting!

@Tara-Maya

Жыл бұрын

What’s the conspiracy surrounding this topic? And who are the conspirators?

@yingyang1008

Жыл бұрын

There are many many examples of corrupt and politically influenced science

@nevid4694

Жыл бұрын

@@Tara-Maya Generally the ancient alien stuff. But also people who make sweeping claims on very little evidence

@shawn2789

11 ай бұрын

​@@nevid4694 hypothesizing is conspiracy theory? We should probably stick to the definition instead of changing the definition to fit the target.

As A roofer I would find it so easy to build a roof structure on top of the t shapes, ideal for load bearing like a lot of modern concrete t structures for motorway bridges etc.

@Myohomoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you! I agree 👍

@skych1ck

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@stanleydavidson6543

2 жыл бұрын

i think we underestamate our ancient times and peoples not hunter gathers.

@bmoneybby

2 жыл бұрын

I've always thought that as well, but no one ever mentions finding evidence of "roof" remains. Idk

@taylorroos4414

2 жыл бұрын

Fair point. If you look how the T's are arranged thought I doubt this was the purpose.

I lived in Turkey for 5 years. The highlight of the entire trip was to visit Gobekle Tepe. Truly amazing

@fusion9619

4 жыл бұрын

What's Turkey like? Looks great, but a personal perspective is always more informative

@indivestor

4 жыл бұрын

A five year trip? Wow, good acid. You hunt.

@IvoOtt

4 жыл бұрын

Did you get a chance to see the Fallout shelter Derinkuyu underground city?

@DarkDennis1961

4 жыл бұрын

​@@IvoOtt I certainly did. Nevshehir, kapadokia.were the first places my 'guides' took me too. outstanding. 5 years later. Gobekli tepe was the final tour i took before leaving Turkey

@GoogleUserOne

3 жыл бұрын

Fusion it’s exactly what it’s always been. Just like Constantinople it’s a meeting of east and west. The river that divides instanbul is Europe on one side and Asia on the other.

"This is where people began to became sedentary" 12000 years later the process is nearly complete...

@nealsterling8151

4 жыл бұрын

In some corners of the world i fear we (they) haven't progressed much.

@rlosable

4 жыл бұрын

With the Corona pandemic right now, we are probably the most sedentary we have ever been.

@barnabyaprobert5159

4 жыл бұрын

The La-z-boy People led the way!

@lizleapin1835

4 жыл бұрын

Possibly it will reverse and now we start migrating again. How many people live in the place of their birth these days? How many people work within only a mile of their homes?

@susanmcdonald9088

4 жыл бұрын

Farming is NOT easy, but harder! Very labor intensive, nothing sedentary about it!

I’ve been to Catalhuyuk and been inside the reproduced examples of the homes assumed to be 9000 years old. I’ve also lived in the SW of the United States. I was struck by the identical construction technique used at Catalhuyuk and the adobe houses of the Navajo. The same right down to the ladder entrance from the roof and the mud oven under the ladder. Also, the old cliff dwelling people buried their dead in the walls of their homes. At Catalhuyuk they buried them in the floor. Interesting

@mehmetkurtkaya3106

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting comment and gt iş related to americas

@guillaumerusengo9371

4 жыл бұрын

@@mehmetkurtkaya3106 The pillars look almost exactly like the ones in Menorca too!

@mehmetkurtkaya3106

4 жыл бұрын

@@guillaumerusengo9371 cool. And there iş a probably reason for it.check my website or book if interested

@dedskin1

4 жыл бұрын

man , its completley fake . military contractors built it in a war zone for rich guys to make money off of selling the right to excavate. We dont live in a world of truth , but world of lies , especially on you tube . You hear a naive story of research and honest money on you tube , think again . You should be the first one to know , because your elders told you that this earth is not billions of years old My elders showed me a calendar dating from the great flood , its now 7528 years since the flood . The calendar comes from the same place as this tample . So if ppl who lived there 7000 years ago say there was nothing before that , then what else can it be , then a planted site , a fake tample , made to make money off of selling it .

@rekouche2

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment EVER.

Whenever I go hunter gathering at the grocery store, I am very grateful for the invention of the bag.

@Rhaenarys

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I don't get whats so remarkable? It had to of been one of the first inventions people even had. If not our ancestors lol. And...anyone can figure out how to make one simply and how useful it is.

@jcie1210mk3

2 жыл бұрын

or its not a bag but sunrises and sunsets.

@rocroc

2 жыл бұрын

...and the bascart.

@HaroldandEdge

2 жыл бұрын

All I can say is it is a good thing I don't have to hunt for my food. I don't even know where Tacos are native to, much less how to sneak up on them to catch them.

@lesliefranklin1870

2 жыл бұрын

@@HaroldandEdge LOL! p.s. Always hunt for tacos on Tuesdays.

Gobekli Tepe is amazing, but think about this: Skippy and Biff did not just decide to build these monuments one morning because they had the day off. GT shows developed stone working and stone carving skills, as well as developed art styles. This did not happen overnight, this took time. I want someone to find the workshops where they learned all these skills. it makes sense that there are earlier carvings and such out there that show the progress of the overall education in the skills and arts needed to create these monuments.

@christiangeiselmann

4 жыл бұрын

Cary Martin The skill is sitting for weeks in the sun and hitting a rock with a stone. 😐

@georgeleger4095

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the intelligent comment. What has always amazed me about this site is the nature of the T pillars. Why are they there at all? They don't seem to have any structural purpose and seem unrelated to the mortar fee stone walls. They are the real mystery. They seem symbolic and the carvings of totem-like animals on them are really intriguing. The later complete burial of the site is also mind bending. All fantastic to me.

@shotgunjohnny

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The sorts of specialised stonemasonry skills needed to build this don't just emerge out of nowhere.

@GiasJulii

4 жыл бұрын

Not just the stone work but everything that goes into working on a large project. Organizing labor, organizing food production and distribution on a large scale with a large percentage of the population unavailable to help with it, not to mention all the astrological alignments and carvings with possible astrological implications.

@xombi213

4 жыл бұрын

They do discuss the villages in the region having similar workings, such as the T shaped pillars. Likely, in large part, these surrounding congregation are where these skills were developed and nurtured. Wood carving while remaining nomadic and small stone carving could be the root, then as people began to settle and stagnate their migrations, moving to larger projects would make sense.

Glad to see an actual SCIENTIFIC video on KZread about this amazing site. So difficult to find these days. Thank you both so much.

@Wobbz9413

3 жыл бұрын

Scientific? Seriously?

@breadpilled2587

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wobbz9413 what?

Some years ago I had the amazing chance to see Göbeklitepe in person as a teen who absolutely did not care even a bit about the trip, and I deeply regret not actually appreciating the astounding history behind it

There are sites in Australia, Bunya Mountain, for example, where hunter gatherer peoples, the aboriginals, would gather in their thousands to meet and have festivities. They were able to do this because there was a ready and abundant source of nutrition in the bunya nuts from the many large bunya trees. You can see rings in the older trees cut to facilitate climbing. Another site in the Carnarvon Gorge was a gathering place where aboriginal people have left thousands of artworks on cave walls.

Great talk! Only downside is that the KZread is already recommending me more videos about ancient aliens and stuff.

@shielamariehankinson3824

4 жыл бұрын

...it's suggestive sales, huh ? Try 60 Days Millionaire pool... see what happens..

@freefall9832

4 жыл бұрын

Those guys don't think humans are capable of anything without alien help haha

@shielamariehankinson3824

4 жыл бұрын

@@freefall9832 .. likely, they know Humanity is not capable of anYthing GOOD, without their help.

@yuppy1967

4 жыл бұрын

Shiela Marie Hankinson I think that a lot of assumptions are being made in this video, especially the effort to why does it even exist. Ritual, but why? What was the religion? Why backfill? The established accepted timeline makes no sense.

@shielamariehankinson3824

4 жыл бұрын

@@yuppy1967 .... assuming the concept of religion was invented yet.

Thanks for asking the Question and a great interview. I look forward to the comments on this video...

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Lol me too. I would love someone to seriously defend the idea that Denisovans built it.

@cloudwaveASMRsleepsounds

4 жыл бұрын

Stefan Milo wait. That’s actually a thing people say?

@bobwilson7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@cloudwaveASMRsleepsounds hhahahahah....2021, not a single comment....hahaha, you just portray yourselves..hahaha

This is so amazing. I remember reading a story many years ago about a farmer finding a strange stone jutting out of the ground, and then Gobekli Tepe blowing my mind. Shining light on our ancient history is so important for our continued development as a species, especially as we usher in the next age of human kind. To all involved, thank you for the efforts!

This is absolutely fascinating! Thank you both for all of your work!

Absolutely cracking interview Stefan. Interesting point about Beer being easier to make than Bread. I hadn't considerd that before but now I think about it it makes sense!

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

I know I had never thought about it that way either. Great video topic for you!

@CaskTheology

4 жыл бұрын

@@StefanMilo Already done it. ;)

@Football__Junkie

3 жыл бұрын

Easier to consume too

@rogerdudra178

3 жыл бұрын

I made beer and wine in Bozeman for many years. I was personally surprised at how easy it was to make. 9,000 years ago it would be just as easy.

@davidwoolbright3675

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it tastes like trash!!

Having this podcast to hear during eastern holidays now is just perfect. Thanks to both of you guys!

Fantastic interview, Stefan! I've only recently discovered your channel, but I love it, fantastic, thorough work - keep it up! :)

Most informative and entertaining contribution on Göbekli Tepe on KZread I've seen so far. Keep on going Stefan.

Loved the interview! Goblekli Tepe was one of the unknowns in my knowledge just as most of the topics you address. I could have listened to an hour more. This hour felt like a good anime episode, it was over before I knew it. Thank you very much! Edit: You've got a new patreon supporter in me! You are the first content creator I deemed worthy.

Thank you for this video! Great topic.

This is great!!! Thank you! We love your channel! Please keep up the good work!!

New subscriber- I so appreciate the professionalism of the content and links to additional sources. THANK YOU!

I am 13 minutes in and I have to say great editing with the pictures, circles etc. It really helps in understanding the conversation.

Outstanding !! Thank you From a Croatian who much appreciates your work. BTW there is also a local museum there with additional interesting pieces and arrangements of carved stones

Very grateful to hear from someone who has really been there and been a part of the study!!! So interesting, love it. Thanks!!

Thanks, this was great: intrigued by hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Another misnomer: agriculture is in irrigated rows of monoculture. Where I am (Saskatchewan) many indigenous ‘hunter-gatherer’ cultures were/continue to harvest wild grains and tubers in agricultural practices (wild rice, yampah, cat tails, bread root, spices & medicines, etc.), through reseeding & tuber division, not to mention fruit & nut management.

@shaolin1derpalm

Жыл бұрын

A greater misnomer is "Simple" Hunter Gatherers.

@brookejon3695

Жыл бұрын

Laymen typically don't understand that "hunter gatherers" also cultivated crops. For a currently impossible to determine time, humans have put selective pressure on plants and animals that were beneficial to us.

@olympiahendrix4392

Жыл бұрын

I have eaten that wild rice and agree with you.

@penelopemelson3797

Ай бұрын

That is still gathering, not cultivating.

Amazing interview. Thank you so much.

Fascinating, thank you! Searching "Gobekli Tepe" on KZread throws up so much rubbish, it's awesome to hear such a knowledgeable interview, thank you!

Fascinating conversation and very informative. Jens is a good, articulate speaker.

cant tell you how much respect and admiration i have for your work, man oh wait i kinda just did! z-class humour aside, keep up the excellent work! great content EVERY time i check back on your channel

Thank you for covering this topic, definitely in my top five favorite ancient sites. I have always been confounded by the intentional burial.

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, presumably they had a chance of belief for whatever reason.

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Yup it's definitely pure speculation. As Jens says not all of the back filling may be deliberate. As we can never ask them why, all we can do is speculate as best as possible with the evidence we have at the time.

Wow this guy was amazingly interesting. So many times I feel like things I’m interested in are maybe beyond my comprehension, but he explained everything so succinctly and vividly that I just loved everything he said. Thanks for sharing and asking the questions.

Late to the party, but this is really great.

@sarah3796

2 жыл бұрын

Ah!! Hi Voices of the Past!! I love your videos

@jwvandegronden

2 жыл бұрын

You honor your alias ;-) Same here, I’m in love with his style! Quietly peeling off the layers and constantly keeping an open mind. Except for this topic and I have to admit I’m a sucker for this kind of “creative thinking”. I don’t think Hancock is deliberately playing his audience and he is truly personally invested in this topic. I keep an open mind, but then again, I have to, I’m a complete n00b

Awesome piece Stefan. One point - the concept seems to be overlooked that neolithic possibly harvested wild, baby birds and animals to then raise them in wickerwork cages, much in the same way traditional pate-de-fois-gras geese were raised. This would be a halfway house between hunter gathering and agriculture. We use tame wild Asian elephants in the same way - catching baby elephants then raising and using them for human purposes. The best explanation for the 'bags' I have seen is that they represent the rising sun on the horizon, marking the solstice or equinox. One part of the glyphs depicting dates maybe? I like the idea that Gobekli Tepe was part corpse sky burial site, part astrological observatory/ astrological story telling venue.

Excellent interview. Great insight into an amazing site

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it! It really is a fascinating place.

@bobwilson7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@StefanMilo poor mate, very poor...

Just listening this great chat on my way to göbeklitepe. Thanks for this lovely and informative post. Loved it!

Happy Easter! This video got drowned by news - and it is so long without me getting a notice. I would have carved out the time to eatch it carefully more than once if I had known! 😍 Unfortunately, I am still Eastering and I will have to wait 😭 I am so excited and grateful for this 🥰 but I really don't have the time to watch - or to write this comment - so for now I can merely wish for you in writing a very Happy Easter! I'm so happy that you and your loved ones are well enough to give you the time to dedicate this gift for us ou here! Thank you - that is good of you! And that is the highest remark I sincerely give! 💚 Thank you - and despite my beliefs 😊 Happy, blessed Easter! May you be appropriately appreciated! 🙏❤️

The transition from circular to square could be interpreted by transition from tents, which are usually circular or with round corners, to houses, that are more easy to build and use if they are square

@absalomdraconis

4 жыл бұрын

Your perception of houses makes a number of assumptions itself.

@vladimircharvat7331

4 жыл бұрын

@@absalomdraconis That was just idea that hit me while listening to that interview. Its true, there are a lots of cultures building round houses through whole history. I cant proove it, but i would bet design changed with use of furniture. You can use better your space in square house. But i may be fully mistaken of course.

@bobwilson7684

2 жыл бұрын

according to the size and extension of these structures, it does not seem to me, that it would be anyway more difficult or easier making square round or spheric tippis for those ...???? I guess humans....

@vladimircharvat7331

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobwilson7684 not making, but using them... try to put shelf, or any other furniture to round, like tent, structure...

@bobwilson7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@vladimircharvat7331 hahahaha........mmmmhahahahaha!

Thanks for posting this interview! In my opinion, the idea that historians underestimated late paleolithic peoples was a pleasant shock. Still, the most fascinating part about Gobekli Tepe (IMO) is not its implications, but what their culture was about. Was this place a massive hub? Did foraging and hunting parties go out, bring back a bounty, and make offerings to some kind of chief on behalf of their families? It could be a fascinating story!

Great interview on such an interesting topic. Thx. Hope to see more pics on the next one. Just Subscribed, time for me to get caught up. Stay healthy

Excellent ! This has adressed alot of the questions Ive had as to the reality of the purposes of the place. Thank u for the unembelished scientific perspective.

Great interview! More interviews like this one!

Cheers Stefan, great to see you've fought through the parenthood bombshell and are getting back to enlightening us👏👏👏👍. Hope you are all thriving. I've been thinking about the beer v bread question for a while and great to hear you broach the subject. Not sure which answer is better for humanity in the long run but it certainly is an interesting thought. Is all of modern civilisation built on our fondness to party?

They didn't even start creating pottery and all of the sudden, they've organized and built a freaking prehistoric soho club?

@nathangrant1824

4 жыл бұрын

you need a bar to serve drinks before you need something to put them in. evolution. or something.

@navdeepkumar5085

4 жыл бұрын

Archaeologists and historians have limited themselves to the thinking that our ancestors couldn't have been smart enough to do a lot of things, yet loads of these things come up. We can't even fully conceptualise things done even less then thousand years ago, let alone tens of thousands of years.

@joncrane7661

4 жыл бұрын

@@navdeepkumar5085 ..and were done here. You win the entire comment section.

@88Somi

3 жыл бұрын

@@navdeepkumar5085 oldest skeleton of modern human (with this same brain size as us) is dated at 200 000 years ,let this sink in guys

@redrockcrf4663

3 жыл бұрын

@@navdeepkumar5085 Agreed. It's a lack of imagination, or locking themselves into a certain prejudiced position of what ancient man might have been capable of.

This was a fascinating discussion, thanks for posting.

thanks dude, so hard to find good information on archaeological sites with so many wacky ancient technology videos cluttering youtube. The unintentionally funny thing is that yes many civilizations had 'ancient technology' but it was quite simple and in a lot of cases ingenious (Egyptians in particular were a sharp lot that could work miracles with very basic tools). It disappoints me that so many content creators instantly discount what the human race can do with some motivation/belief and quite a lot of time on their hands.

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. I know those stones are big but I don't see why a gathering of say 50 people couldn't cut and move one??? Like Jens said, the quarry is right next to the site.

@Monkey_Milkman

2 жыл бұрын

@@StefanMilo those stones are big and extremely heavy, also if these were hunter gatherers, how did they organize and achieve this without agriculture and water? If they were following animals, wouldn't they continue to move on? These were definitely not hunter gatherers. Also we can't even talk about this until we have excavated the entire site. There Could be very well houses and other evidence of settlement.

Edit: @43:18 Hearing Jens talk about how he would have a Netflix doc and book deals for discovering an ancient civilization is just too funny now that Graham's mini series came out! 😂

@dameongeppetto

5 ай бұрын

Graham Hancock's son is an executive at Netflix. The world still runs as it always has: it is all about WHO you know not WHAT you know.

Thanks for this it's wonderful and i'm so grateful for considered conversation about this site

A fascinating and enlightening discussion, gentlemen: thank you. ☝️😎

Heyyy, guys. Since we can't figure out how to make a coffee mug, let's engineer a temple that will stand forever.

@Lifeisinruins

3 жыл бұрын

such is culture !

@thetruthhurts6652

3 жыл бұрын

lol this is the reason why I don’t believe a word these idiots say. The site is only 10% excavated and he’s trying to tell me it’s built by hunters gathers who havnt even built a cup yet.

@shawnsanborn2057

3 жыл бұрын

Hunter gatherers lmao..

@basedtvrk9125

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, who built it then? Fucking aliens?

@thetruthhurts6652

3 жыл бұрын

@@basedtvrk9125 No. I think it was built by a previous human advanced civilization that must died off. I actually think that happened numerous times.

I just find it so infinitely interesting some humans had a vision of something, a vision of something that has never existed before that point: a place where instead of few, many people gather. That wouldn't shift with changing fortunes of game, but remain, endure. Even across time. Where there are dozens and dozens of caves that shelter you from the elements and that keep you warm, tightly packed, yet they are not solid rock or even shaped by nature: they are to be built by human hands. It's hard to explain something as grand as Gobekli Tepe (or the first towns in general) as just some iterative improvement. If not for the constituent elements that make up a town, then for the vision of putting it all together as a coherent singular concept and thinking that this might actually work. Someone truly must have sat at a fire, tens of thousands of years ago, lost in his thoughts, and had this picture in his mind. And managed to convince enough compatriots to convince enough strangers to set this in motion.

Late to the party here! What a fascinating interview. I m really enjoying your videos, Stefan!

Excellent, thank you. Over the year since this was posted, it seems that natural slope wash and redeposition has become the preferred hypothesis for most of the burial of the site, rather than backfilling by human agency, seen there.

They recently discovered multiple other sites around gobeklitepe that were built the same way and have the same style of statues!

A great discussion! I was wondering why no one seems to have considered Gobekli Tepe as the worlds first shopping Mall, like a Chinese "wet" market where everyone brings bats, monkeys or ducks, foxes, pigs, to sell or barter for goods... or snakes and spiders for magical potions. i think it a bit much to imagine that everyone from miles around would come just for religion, but they would have come for miles for the first flea market to barter their hunter-gatherer catch. David Shepard Assoc. Professor

Notroff's accent and enthusiasm make me excited about a topic I didn't expect to get so interested in

Nietsche left a beautiful quote in German: “zuerst das fressen und dann die Moral“, meaning food first then morals. It makes sense that after an era of hardship, where food was hard to come by and survival was brutal, a period of more lenient climatological conditions led to a boom in cultural expression.

It can be difficult to think of hunting/gathering cultures and sedentary lifestyles, but there is a very good example which I think will help one get a notion of what it was like; the people of the Pacific Northwest in North America. They were settled and yet clearly hunting and gathering through a long time period and in fact still are. I propose that for a long time the geography of that region would have provided a similar situation with their wild resources.

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant example

@supernautacus

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed ^_^

@capitalisa

Жыл бұрын

Hunter/gathers are supposed to be responsible for Gobekli Tepe? Oh, no way.

@MossyMozart

6 ай бұрын

@@capitalisa - Open your mind.

@Gabriel2oh6

3 ай бұрын

@@capitalisaokay, Graham Hancock.

Oh man I was just telling my dad about this place. Great timing. Thanks Stefan

Thanks it was great Conversation about Gobeklitepe. I have been working since 10 years for Gobekkitepe and still working here. I was worked with archeologists team and they already discovered 24 temples until now . Still the excavation is go on well . Here is zore of the life place .

This is awesome, thank you so much!

I've recently been reading "The Smart Neanderthal: Cave Art, Bird Catching, and the Cognitive Revolution", a book by ornithologist Clive Finlayson about the interaction between neanderthals and birds over the course of their existence. I couldn't help but think about this book when you were discussing the importance of vultures at Gobekli Tepe, and the likelihood that it functioned as a funerary site where bodies were picked clean by vultures. One major trend Finlayson discusses is vulture bones found with cut marks that indicate that the birds were skinned so as to leave their pin feathers in tact, creating a sort of vulture feather cloak, which may have had religious significance, possibly indicating that neanderthals had some sort of religious reverence for vultures. This isn't unique to neanderthals, with Homo sapien settlements of similar age often showing similar behavior, but it's interesting to think that the rituals being performed at Gobekli Tepe may be part of a religious tradition in the region that extends back to the paleolithic.

How’d you know this would make my entire week?

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

It made me too

This is brilliant. Thank you very much.

New to your channel, this is the third video I've watched now. Super work very engaging style.

My difficulty is that before GT, the very definition of "hunter gatherer" included not having agriculture and not being able to produce megalithic stone structures. By definition. So what do we call a group that can do those things, if not a civilization that we just don't know much about yet? Calling them lost doesn't make it a "conspiracy", just a need to re-define our terms, and the understanding that goes along with it. Now, if it turns out that the term "hunter-gatherer" is being clung to in order to maintain our current dating theories about other megalithic structures.....That would be the conspiracy ......but a call to re-exam what people were capable of and at what point in history, regardless of what we call them, that is not a conspiracy and that work should go on with the best scientific methods and technology we have available.

@DarkSleuths

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this guy is a fool.

@theoavg

3 жыл бұрын

It is true that hanter gatherers wouldn't be able to produce that much super product to drive such a construction and what's more interesting is that the older parts are superior to those built afterwards and that's a sign of degredation of technique which is very strange.

@theoavg

3 жыл бұрын

@Nick Nack it is strange to me because i would expect a gratual increase in size and complexity and not the opposite. I mean does it make senee to build the largest and most difficult and technically demanding first?

@theoavg

3 жыл бұрын

@Nick Nack So an explanation would be that the newer parts could be better and more robust because the builders had the skill and knowledge to do it but they did not want to waste man power and resources to do it? Because the materials if understand correctly are the same so much for the old as much for the new parts.

@theoavg

3 жыл бұрын

@Nick Nack So even though there is no difference in the materials and the technique is clearly detoriorating meaning that the old builders knew more about building stone staff than the new builders, you stick to the village example where the materials are clearly different, and even though their foundation won't last that long their overall properties are essentially better and serve different purposes basedd on technological advancement. Everyone knows that the empire state building won't last as much as the pyramids but we all know that the empire state is much more advanced that the pyramids.

Interesting to see how much change in the theories there has been regarding the site since this video was uploaded. Now they're saying that Gobekli Tepe WAS a residential site, and that bodies were buried there, etc. etc. Also other related sites have been unearthed and studied, shedding more light on the whole mysterious issue. I saw a video recently suggesting that the site for Gobekli Tepe was chosen because plenty of easily quarried rock was there, as the people had deforested the area using wood as a building material. So stone pillars weren't a deliberate move towards monumental architecture so much as a replacement for tree trunks. Or so they say until the next upheaval in the theories.

Absolutely fascinating discussion, the parts hypothesizing excarnation and ritual roles of the site were particularly interesting!

I hope to see this place completely uncovered before I die. This place is so amazing

A “T” shaped pillar would also be easier to propel along the ground since there would be three push points rather than one.

So excited by the topic - and almost an hour's run time! Apologies for what KZread is going to do with the fact that I'm going to have to watch it over several smaller sessions, so it's going to chalk up a bunch of "viewer didn't finish the video" points.

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

It all balances out in the end. I could've spoken to him for 5 hours easy lol. Hopefully he'll agree to a part 2.

@regular-joe

4 жыл бұрын

@@StefanMilo 👍👍

Good interview. Thanks!

Amazing site. Great insights into the period. The Sahara was still supporting life and had water, coming out of the last ice age. The nomadic people on the cusp of becoming sedentary. I have images of them searching for a fertile plain and ending up in Egypt, even though the first communities are found nearby. Intriguing.

Sky Burial is not just in Tibet. Also the Zorastraian (Parsii) worship fire and have sky burial towers. The zorastarians were the original Persians were located in present Iran which is only few days travel from south east turkey. Also some native American indians also do sky burials! I wonder if the T could be beams to hold logs with place for dead bodies for sky burials. Insight tells me this is possibility. Would be great to see the the sky burials tower architecture and see if there is similarity. If this turns out to be linked could some one reference me for the original idea 🤔😉

At Göbekli Tepe, handstones, grinding bowls and plates, mortars and pestles have been discovered in large numbers. You can make bread with flour and water, its doesn't have to be a brioche

THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU!!!

Absolutely. Fantastic. Video. Stefan, I just ran across you this evening, and have watched several of your videos. I've loved every minute of it. I understand why a lot of people crave the idea of incredible, super-advanced civilizations being around in the past. Sensational stuff like that gives us a thrill. And if the purveyors of those theories can also add in a COVER UP, well, that just totally golden. I'm really glad you're out there bringing some sanity to the whole subject.

@KipIngram

3 жыл бұрын

@Ginnungagap Yes, no kidding. Those peeps pulled off some really amazing stuff, and I'd love to know EXACTLY how they did it.

@KipIngram

3 жыл бұрын

@Ginnungagap Well, actually I don't. I guess I assume it was just brute muscle of a lot of people. Maybe with simple mechanisms like rollers and levers and so on. How could it have been anything else?

@KipIngram

3 жыл бұрын

@Ginnungagap Did you even listen to Stefan's objections to Dr. Hancock's theory? They're sound. The idea that a "high civilization" would have traveled the world, sharing knowledge of agriculture, but left ABSOLUTELY NO TRACE of themselves in the patterns of crop migration, population genetics, or archaeology is fairly ridiculous. If you actually knew me and had a full picture of my online activities you'd know that I'm in fact on the "open minded" side of the spectrum - I support the possibility of a number of things that mainstream science rejects, and I'm sure some scientists would accuse me of being "fringe." I don't necessarily think any of those things MUST be true, but I see them as possibilities. Just as an example, I absolutely don't rule out the idea that there might have been some population center that got taken out by the big meltwater pulses back around Younger Dryas time. Maybe even one on some mid-Atlantic ridge islands that would correspond to Plato's writings on Atlantis. Some of those people might have migrated at the time of the sea rise over to Sumeria - there has to be SOME good explanation for why Sumerian is a language isolate compared to Akkadian and the other languages of the Fertile Crescent region. But when you start piling too much onto that story - when you start attributing truly sophisticated technology similar to ours today to such a "lost" civilization, or when you start making the whole thing depend on some kind of psychic powers that we have no trace of today, and so on. it just becomes unbelievable. This happens *all the time* online - someone starts with some reasonably plausible points, and just keeps at it until the become ridiculous and, yes - worthy of being mocked. I am open minded, but not stupidly so. Take care and stay safe.

I became interested in the 10,000- 20,000 bce time period In the 1990’s when I picked up a history of mankind book by Issac Asimov and 10,000-20,000 bce was blank. No history recorded and I wondered why. Gobekli Tepe seems to me to be the key to our forgotten past.

You’ll notice that they remained hyper focused on Atlantis and aliens, but at no point did they debunk the Reptilian hypothesis. I consider this rock solid proof that lizard people are behind this site. (But in all seriousness, delightful little interview, very nice.)

@TuAFFalcon

2 жыл бұрын

The Freemasons built this! Yeah why not... Crazy people online. These are the same people who were holding "end of the world" signs just 20 years ago. Or just their kids. Stupid people breed like flies.

Thanks so much! I’m joining your Patreon group. I don’t pay for 300 channels of crap on offer from American cable companies. I feel I’m getting a much better value by supporting you and your interesting topics!! TYVM

One day I hope to be able to see or stand in or even touch a man-made item so monumentally old as Gobekli Tepe. The closest I've been is some mining towns up north from me and museums and monuments in DC, even going to see the Colosseum in Rome or the Great Pyramids would probably make me cry when I first go there. I absolutely love all the info about Neolithic proto-religious monuments, it's just fascinating

It seems unlikely that this is the only structure of its kind from that time. I wonder if Jiroft in Iran, once it’s fully excavated, will be dated to about the same time period.

@absalomdraconis

4 жыл бұрын

The _site_ is presumably not one of a kind, but it wouldn't be _too_ odd if it was the only one developed like this at the time. Given that this is very early in the history of stationary structures, it's very possible that this was a unique combination of stationary structure and potential funerary practice. On the other hand, it's also possible that the similar structures in local villages were even a decentralized form of the same.

@kyleoliva2411

4 жыл бұрын

I find it very unlikely that there is only one site like this in the world, and we just happened to find the only one in the world. It is likely that there are more.

@MrGhostly12321

3 жыл бұрын

Boncuklu tarla was recently excavated you should check it out

Thats's fascinating,dude! Have you tried DMT?

@Radicoly

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh....

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh....

@morecopemorerope4372

4 жыл бұрын

Oscar Ecsedi joe rogan would be proud

@christophercollins9606

4 жыл бұрын

Adumb Earthling kzread.info/dash/bejne/e2qgw9aDdtjeZ6g.html

@rasmussrensen2029

4 жыл бұрын

Bruuuuuh

Was very fortunate to visit the site! So incredible!

It really good see 600k people have watched this. This shows interest of the people in hna history. Wish this number even higher

Hi Stefan, could the depressions on top of the t shaped megaliths be from the people who buried the site when they were milling grains to feed the people. Just a thought. The T shaped pillars would have had a lot of time before they were buried in comparison to the rest of the site. In essence, maybe they were kitchen tables for the whoever buried the place. Thanks Mark.

23:38 I would like to hear what Jens was about to say here. Suddenly he's nolonger considered the expert ? I'm hanging onto his every syllable and the conversation is stepped on, Jens corrected, and we're wisked away in another direction ....

Very very interesting episode. Congratulations!

Absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much to the both of you. Insta-sub :)

This plus Derinkuyu Turkey is a truly historically amazing enigma

This was great. Thank you for the insight both of you, as I haven't heard enough from people tangibly involved with such projects. One critique would be the issue of shared construction methods, cultural anomalies, and artistic depictions throughout ancient sites in Bolivia, Peru, Egypt, Lebanon, Indonesia etc. The evidence for large pre-YD cultures, and information sharing extends far beyond the notion that Gobekli Tepe was a remnant of a survivor culture. I'm afraid your careful speculation (Which I of course favour) does not extend to the careful dismissing of alternative history theories, for which I've become a proponent over the years. Thank you again for this video.

Hi Stefan! Gotta say i love all your videos, i have seen them all! Could you make a video about the people of 5,500 bc to 2,000 bc in especially egypt, but maybe also Anatolia and mesopotamia as well? With people i mean ethnicity of the people and maybe if we know a bit of how people or groups migrated and moved in broad strokes? It seems from what i have read around that for example the pharaohs and the elite class of ancient egypt has been everything from egyptians that are asiatic of origin, kushites, libyans, people of canaan or middle eastern peoples have all ruled egypt at some point. Or maybe even a summary of the people in the fertile crescent from gobekli tepe to whatever point you feel like!

The point at 44:42 regarding the archaeological definition of civilization was really interesting and significant. I think a lot of the traction in the public mind of lost civilization theories when it comes to sites such as Gobekli Tepe is do to this cognitive dichotomy between primitive hunter gatherers and advanced civilizations. That dichotomy may exist in our present world, but primarily because hunter gatherers have been forced off of all the best, most fertile land on the planet by agricultural societies. Back during the Neolithic (and even in later periods), there was lots of room for a large gray area between what we think of as primitive hunter gatherers and advanced settled peoples, where groups such as those who constructed Gobekli Tepe would have existed.

Well done Milo and Happy Easter. Interestingly, bedroom Internet researcher number 1, "Ancient Architects", is regularly being quoted as an archaeological "expert" in the Daily Express.

@StefanMilo

4 жыл бұрын

Well if it's in the Express it must be true!

@bartdebondt8663

4 жыл бұрын

@@StefanMilo here you are kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHytz7ptg9zfp7w.html

@joncrane7661

4 жыл бұрын

Reality will be real no matter what is said. Everyone needs no set their egos down. It's hard, humans inherently love to present themselves

One thing I haven’t heard as an explanation for the seemingly obscure site chosen for the location of Gobekli Tepe is a mass prey migratory route. Something like the Buffalo in America. Just a thought...

@johannageisel5390

3 жыл бұрын

Jens said that the antelope and other animals would be down in the valleys.

@dannyboywhaa3146

3 жыл бұрын

Johanna Geisel yeah but for a site like that it’d have to be an annual mass migration of millions upon millions of animals... not just your usual antelope hanging out in the valley below.

This is the best conversation I've heard yet on Gobekli Tepe. It would make perfect sense that it was a sort of "circle of life" center, and also probably why they have yet to discover any burials. I wonder if it's also possible that the purpose of the "T" shaped stones were to serve as roosts for vultures? I'm picturing people carrying the bodies of their loved ones up the hill to the "priests", who, after receiving an animal or some other offering, would prepare the bodies to be more easily consumed, then place them inside the circular areas with some sort of ritual fanfare. Then the vultures, roosting on top of the "T" stones would swoop down and clean the bones. Once cleaned of all meat, and possibly ritualistically cleaned by the priests, the bones would be given to the family members waiting outside. Possibly the areas were filled in after a specific number of bodies were processed, the priest or vultures passed away, I don't know. Anyway there's still plenty of mysteries to answer. I'm just glad they've been allowing people like Jens Notroff to do research there.

interesting discussion of bread and beer. I've heard it said that the evidence for both seems to be found in all the same places and times, so that either the discovery or the transmission of knowledge seem to have often been nearly simultaneous.