When foreign brands come to China, the Chinese government only charges a 5% import tax as a WTO member. And yet, when China can make good cars, the foreign nations charge upward of 20% tariffs, in the name of National Security. But what is more annoying is that those same governments do not charge the same amount of tariffs on Japanese and Korean cars.

@wongrudy1318

14 күн бұрын

Only pariah practice double standard

@eden5260

14 күн бұрын

Don't talk absolute nonsense They protected their own car industry in china with high taxes not 5% and high subsidy to local brands . They didn't let Any foreign company enter china without an equal co-venture with a Chinese company that can steal all the know-how ! And that is all only about this specific industry Literally every big industry in china is protected and blocked foreign competition That's the only reason china has built some big internet companies for example

@Mikupigeon

7 күн бұрын

I think 5% is only sales tax rate for 1500-2000 cc ICE cars. Correct me if I am wrong. China tax rates for foreign imported cars: Custom duty 25%, Sales Tax 0-40% depends on engine size and 13% VAT, despite charging 0% sales tax for PURE electric cars, I believe you still have to pay custom duty and VAT. In addition to that, final price of the car you see in showroom does not equal to the sum of these rates, you have to use the formulas for its calculation.

I was in china last summer, the number of EV on the road is unimaginable, there are tons of tesla and many other domestic brands. It is crazy

@konstantinrebrov675

22 күн бұрын

Good for air quality in the cities. Remember Beijing 20 years ago.

Screen obsolete? Software stop working? That's not how any of that works. Go turn on a TV or phone from 10years ago... yes, it's fine. It just need an input. Software may cease to get updated, but it will still perform the functions built into it. Outdated and obsolete aren't the same. If the hardware breaks, it breaks, but it's not just gonna stop working because of time. It can be outdated, and connectivity may get discontinued, but the thought of "throwing it away" after 5 years is dumb. Now the privacy and viability of this product is a different story.

@CaptainXJ

Ай бұрын

He might be thinking of how lots of company's intentionally "brick" older electronics with updates. I literally stopped buying tablets for that reason.

@sebastiansandvik825

Ай бұрын

I'd be more worried about replacement costs. A custom made 48" screen for a specific car model is not going to be cheap to replace, especially if it's not just a screen but a module with all sorts of hardware built in. It only takes an unfortunate bump, or even a few unfortunate dead pixels, to require a swap. If you had two smaller screens and physical buttons the cost would be much lower. Honestly, that could be more expensive to change than the battery.

@adus123

Ай бұрын

@@sebastiansandvik825 If that screen stops working at any point in time. Your car is toast Yes you may be able to replace it but at what cost?

@logicalChimp

Ай бұрын

If it's still running the original software, maybe... but as we've seen with e.g. mobiles, more and more features etc get added over the years as 'free' updates - resulting in first-gen hardware slowing down to the point of being unusable... and not every company provides a way to uninstall those updates, or roll back to an earlier (faster) version, etc.

@markuc

Ай бұрын

​@@logicalChimphopefully with Geely they'll be more into optimisations. Although having owner a number of Huawei devices, their cars should be super efficient and optimised.

If this makes it to the UK for £20k I will personally buy one, wear it as a hat and eat it.

@beermonster1234

Ай бұрын

😂

@JoeyBlogs007

Ай бұрын

And it will eat your foolish down the drain.

@oddjobsandrandomprojects

Ай бұрын

@@JoeyBlogs007 Those are all words, just in no particular order.

@AndrejMejac

Ай бұрын

More like north of €40k, with discount.

@Firecul

Ай бұрын

Yeah I hate when journalists do that. Oh it's "equivalent" to £20k. Oh that's nice. Now import it to my country and add all the import fees and taxes and sales taxes and dealer gouging and **then** tell me the price. I've not seen a single vehicle make the trip and still be that price.

Throw it all away in a couple years? What’s he on about 😂 OTA updates will keep it updated, if the screen needs replacing just replace the screen like you would a button/switch on a old car & you can always update the computer in the future if more power is needed for whatever reason… why’s he saying throw it all away in a couple years??

@AdrianMeredith

Ай бұрын

yeah that comment makes no sense, tesla is still somehow doing updates for its intel atom cars which is seriously old tech

@Stephen-Jones

Ай бұрын

Given some people think the batteries are thrown away after 3 years a comment like that is really not smart and encourages the "car no good after a year" lot

@dougbamford

Ай бұрын

I took it to be that you won't be able to get a replacement screen when it breaks if it is bespoke for this model. And the whole car depends on the screen so if it went kaput and couldn't be replaced the car wouldn't work any more.

@faithosadebe5293

Ай бұрын

I wonder why he still review cars.. He should go back to the UK. Get himself a jaguar..

@faithosadebe5293

Ай бұрын

@@dougbamford took whatever nonsense you believe.. All screens in your goddamn european brands are either made in china, korea and japan..

£20k, plus tax on imported cars into the uk - £42k... plus VAT...circa £50k to buy. Why do all cars in the UK cost so much more than in other countries?!

@harmony3138

Ай бұрын

Rip off UK!

@quintinrafferty7232

Ай бұрын

Try Ireland

@sparky6996

Ай бұрын

They want your money...nothing more

@BryanLeung-sn7co

Ай бұрын

Australia is so much friendlier 😢

@erikslagter3231

Ай бұрын

Try Denmark :)

I was in China a couple of weeks back and the variety and quality of the EV's is astounding. I just wish they brought them to Australia

@metricstormtrooper

Ай бұрын

Especially the baojun cloud, I'd love one because it's well designed and not a wannabe SUV.

@hufjournallife7218

Ай бұрын

If can’t do , proton can use it

@markuc

Ай бұрын

Actually Australia is already in a better position than other western nations such as Canada. The reason Teslas are at lowest price outside of China is because we have Chinese EVs competing in the market. Competition is always good for the consumer!

@TD1237

Ай бұрын

@@markuc I noticed that. Even here, South Africa has tons of Chinese cars nowadays (not EV's though, due to the electricity issues). It's a good thing, because they're just so much better made than the European stuff, but way, way less expensive.

@paulb1951

Ай бұрын

@@markucAustralia western? What 😂

The price is unbelievable, even for Chinese standards!

Remembering that geely its a volvo owner.

@patreekotime4578

Ай бұрын

And Lotus.

@metricstormtrooper

Ай бұрын

And the London taxis co

@hermesliteratus882

Ай бұрын

And they also own 50% of Smart.

@MaticTheProto

Ай бұрын

They also have like 8 brands that haven’t made it to Europe yet

@cballena5785

Ай бұрын

geely even owned benz

"this car is going overseas later this year" later this year in Europe: Geely Galaxy E8 for 40.000 Euros...

@freddykrueger79

Ай бұрын

yeah... Chinese manufacturers milking the ev cow in Europe 😢

@Ilost11

Ай бұрын

@@freddykrueger79 Shipping costs, brokerage fees, operational costs to operate in Europe for sale, service and maintenance, supply chains for parts etc. Most people are clueless and stupid, believing that everything is free. None of that even mentions tariffs the European Union will likely levy on these vehicles which may be the biggest part of the price increase for the consumer. So prices in domestic Chinese markets will for obvious reasons not be equal to European MSRPs. Even Tesla's are cheapest in China (Not the US) where the EV supply chains are hyper-optimized and price competitiveness is king.

@freddykrueger79

Ай бұрын

@@Ilost11 I perfectly understand price must be different... but in some cases it's way too much difference. example byd han in china 28keur... in Europe 73keur... that is almost 300%... at the moment Chinese made cars pay in EU 10% import duty.

@logicalChimp

Ай бұрын

@@freddykrueger79 Chinese tax-rate is ~3% for EVs, I think... compared to ~20%-25% tax in the EU?... and that gets added *on top* of all the other factors listed by ILost11... yes, there's probably some profit-inflation too, but not nearly as much as people think - and the only reason the CHinese companies can do that is because all the legacy Automakers are doing the same thing, in order to discount their prices in China (which is why e.g. the VW ID.4 is ~1/2 price - or less - in China, compared to the EU... and VW don't even have to ship their vehicles in from China - they're made in the EU to begin with)

@happymelon7129

Ай бұрын

@@freddykrueger79 China car NOT allowed to sell cheap in Europe. OR will be ban/tax higher

All I took from that was £20,000 and Slippery Grandfather.

@faithosadebe5293

Ай бұрын

So true.. He failed to mention the powerful chip in that car and screen made by Meizu like huawei but belongs to Geely..

@fullychargedshow

Ай бұрын

Those were definitely the key takeaways for us too.

"Crumpets and... chill" - thanks for the visual...

@Steven-vo4ee

Ай бұрын

Crumpet and old crumpet?

sometimes when you see something and think....so simple...why has it not always been like that forever.....tinted perspex sunvisors, does its job without any vision block at all

@tinkerstrade3553

Ай бұрын

I was an over the road trucker in the 70s. You could buy the clip on tinted extended visor. It's an old idea that just went out of style. Maybe somebody out there knows where to find them. I'll buy one again!

It's a big screen with a car attached.

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

Cool. cars are dull

@amehaiza

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@MrKOenigma

Ай бұрын

A wiiiidee screen...

@DeterminedFC

Ай бұрын

i remember when they said this about phones

@Acemeistre

Ай бұрын

It's a knob with a human attached 😂

Speaking as someone whose Hyundai i20 touchscreen has stopped working, I sympathise with the worry about that huge E8 screen. How do you get them fixed?

With regard with your issue regarding the longlivity of the screen my 40 plus years experience with computers and monitors, partcularly with flat screens (OLED, LCD etc) is they are very hard to kill. Honestly they seem to function forever, I have living proof of that with the surplus monitors I have in my home. They are just "too good to throw out".

@metricstormtrooper

Ай бұрын

I've still got a gen 1 iPad, it's nearly useless apart from as an artistic piece but the screen is still fine.

@Sparky400

Ай бұрын

​@@metricstormtrooperI have an iPad air that's still useful but not as useful if apple supported it still. It's has good specs which is a shame. I also have an iPad 3 which I use for a smart home panel. Doesn't need to do much.

@MrAdopado

Ай бұрын

Correct ... I've got several old laptops starting from 1995 ... a flat screen Apple monitor that's 20 years old ... all the screens work as good as they did when new.

While everyone its bringing crossovers to the market the chinese still believe on sedans. Love that, hope they bring it to Europe

Yes, if all the settings/controls are only available via the screen what happens 5-10 years later when it breaks? Can it be replaced? Will the UI burn-in? Will the heat warp/crack it?

At least they went and did the screen the way I'd like it. One large, continuous screen unlike the one that Mercedes did where they tried to pass like 3 screens as one by covering them with a long dark glass panel...

@logicalChimp

Ай бұрын

On the flip side, merc screens are each a 'standard' size, and probably a lot cheaper to replace individually than that single behemoth screen.

@MaticTheProto

Ай бұрын

Yeah…. Have fun with regulations regarding media on the passenger display with that

@jakilode5608

Ай бұрын

You'd love the Cadillac escalade iq.... Perhaps not

Thank you, Elliot, for showing us the new Geely Galaxy E8... I thoroughly enjoyed your video presentation. Amazing and fun to watch. And about that screen possibly becoming obsolete in like 5 years or less, you are quite right. We can't change NEVs, the way we change phones every so many years... It'd be quite an expensive proposition.

very interesting, does it have V2G and how’s the regen?

How would it be if you needed any repairs, motors, but also body panels too?

£40k+ when/if it reaches the UK

@piccalillipit9211

Ай бұрын

Yeah you are not allowed nice things. Its part of the Brexit deal, even if its not from the EU you cant have it if its nice. Part of the dikensification of Britain

@oddjobsandrandomprojects

Ай бұрын

Here in the US they just won't allow it if it's good, especially if it is competitively priced.

@CaptainXJ

Ай бұрын

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects That's what I am sitting here thinking, "Never in the US"

@patreekotime4578

Ай бұрын

​@@oddjobsandrandomprojectsYup. It wont come here because of anticompetitive legislation that the Big Three think will protect them from having to actually be competitive. Chinese companies are building factories in Mexico, so now legislators are pushing the same "fear factor" narrative with Chinese EVs they use with Chinese cell phone manufacturers that prevents us from having cheap smart phones in the US. Really its all just American manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot. We had a chance 15 years ago to be the leaders in EVs, but we let China take it. Really just pathetic.

@truebrit3670

Ай бұрын

AFAIK A single shipment has about 4500 cars, and the U.K. applies less than 5% tariff on China. Where would the 100%+ markup be generated?

A LCD touch screen is just a screen/monitor. When did you last worry about your monitor being obsolete?

I'm a big fan of how it slips through the air... much more focus needs to be on that

If this thing goes on sale in the UK for anywhere close to £20k, I'll eat my trousers.

@georgeeagle872

Ай бұрын

Your trousers are safe😂

Elliot. You did not do the usual sign off. Did not know I had reaced the end of the video until it just stopped. Hope to see you in Sydney next year, hopefully with that lovely car.

looks great I'll have one

This is a beautiful dream. Very pleasant even to look at. I wouldn't feel bored at the back seat.

5:55 That's where the aftermarket steps in. You can get CarPlay, for example, for cars built in the 2000's and 2010's. Look at the BMW and Mercedes aftermarket, complete screen replacements with better resolution _and_ more features, while retaining OEM controls. Saying you might have to junk a car in 5-10 years due to screens/software is nonsense.

First thought was: huge, electric Citroen

It all sounds great... if only I could get that with the Polestar design language, and I'd get one immidiately. Will probably be almost twice as expensive in Europe. The Zeekr 001 for example costs about 35k€ in China and 60k€ in Europe in base spec.

Great review. That A-pillar wheel arch line though. 😅

What do you mean "when this screen becomes obsolete"? Elliot, all cars have screens, and huge ones at that. This one isn't going to stop working all of a sudden just because it's wide and futuristic. If you spoke about replacement costs after a serious accident, it would be a different story. But I don't really understand what you're getting at with what you said.

@Sparky400

Ай бұрын

My 9 year old laptop must be a true miracle that it still works let alone is online.

@MrAdopado

Ай бұрын

@@Sparky400 Yep ... all my laptops that I have since the mid 1990s still have perfectly working screens!

Screens are only distracting if you are someone who is easily distracted lol. I have a honda e thats got 2 massive screens, a sepoed screen, 2 screens for the wing mirror cameras and also rear view mirror is a screen Not distracting infact what is more distracting is passengers and talking to them while driving...not screens because you aint looking at them when driving are you lol

@dna9838

Ай бұрын

Are the mirrors on the wings though? Door mirrors?

@TD1237

Ай бұрын

This is so true

@MrAdopado

Ай бұрын

@@dna9838 The Honda E has cameras and mini screens acting as door mirrors ... not actual mirrors.

@dna9838

Ай бұрын

@@MrAdopado good point. Door cameras, but certainly not 'wing', with almost all modern cars.

Very interesting the Highlander.😊

Sure would be nice if a channel like this could lean on its many years of industry expertise and instead of clickbaiting the price of an exchange rate, instead give us an idea of an estimated UK price based on past trends.

@Scuba72Chris

Ай бұрын

That's easy to do. Just multiply by 2.

@metricstormtrooper

Ай бұрын

Because we all don't come from the UK thankfully.

That screen that screen ❤

Crumpets and chill made me spit my tea out.

Cool Camry. Thanks Elliott.

you can always replace the screen in the future. software can be updated over the air

Elliott smashing it out of the funny park😂

This is your funniest review EVER Elliott; crumpets, you in the boot, you closing the frunk😂...

Omg that intro sound made me look around thinking a large fly passed by my ears! 😅 Yes, I'm on headphones...

@Sekir80

Ай бұрын

Strange Yello vibes.

Would you be able to do a test drive of the Luxeed S7. It's got a lot of new tech on paper.

looks amazing not sure if it'll still be that price when it makes it here but I still prefer my mid suv size vehicle, there's not much point having a huge boot when the aperture is so small

Cheers Elliot .🇬🇧

Wow this is fantastic!

That interior is amazing for any car, let alone one that costs 20k. Great to know Geely is planning to enter Australia market this year!

that screen is awesome

Re: obsolete technology worries -- that statement can be applied to every other EV car & truck manufacturer out there.

I may be old fashioned but I prefer the analogue approach with dial controls. As you say what happens when all these fancy screens go out of date plus they can be too distracting.

@MrAdopado

Ай бұрын

One of the main advantages of a screen is that the interface and controls can be expanded and modified over time. The Tesla user interface has had a number of additions and revisions which add features to the car that didn't exist when I bought it! If the dashboard consisted of fixed switches you wouldn't be able to do this. There's therefore less chance of a screen going "out of date" than a traditional dashboard control layout.

What to do if the screen stops working.......eerrrrr....get a new one fitted?

Brillant E8 under the same group as Volvo,polestar, Zeekr..+ others.. 😊 the Zeekr 007 is the other sedan worth considering 😊

So this is on the same chassis as the Polestar 4. Would be interesting to see a side by side comparison. £60k vs £40k. Is the Polestar worth it.

Love to see a review of the new Xiaomi EV. 😊

8 k resolution screen ? The screen alone is almost 20k in the US 😊

You need to tell us the charging speeds !

@borky1987

Ай бұрын

Slow

I’ve just had my central screen replaced on my 9.5 year old Tesla Model S to bring it more up to date. Hopefully Geely will provide the same service.

If it is the same as the EX30, then unfortunately the information panel and the guessing clock are also suffocating

Using mosquitos as background music is not a pleasant surprise. :)

I love it. If it's priced under £40k then it's well worth it.

My first thought on that screen was, how much to replace it? Three standard size screens might not impress in the same way, but would be much more sustainable. A very impressive car - Apple could have just paid one of these Chinese manufacturers to produce their car.

I wonder what the next-generation of CarPlay would look like on that huge screen.

Hopefully, their software will be updated so that ALL of their models use the same (easier to maintain 1 software for all than 1 per model). I don't see the use for such a big screen. A lot of it is hidden behind the wheel so you'd have to move your head to see.

05:09 - I know this experience from when I see 80085. So focused.

Just wondering if the screen was smaller, the car could get cheaper? I don't think we need that size of screen.

@level1selamat155

Ай бұрын

Good try

is in some years the screen dont work anymore you go and replace the screen with a new one. kinda same as with buttons.. 🤨🤔 what if the CPU running this thing is broken i hear you say? well you replace the CPU and reinstall´the system. isnt that hard. i am driving a car with 2 massive screens for 3 years now. no reason to think why that suddenly would make my car undrivable

@MrKOenigma

Ай бұрын

I heard a colleague last week, he replaced the screen on his son's ipad. It cost him 11€for the spare part alone.... Its absolutely mind boggling, everything gets more expensive, but tech keeps getting cheaper....

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

Ай бұрын

there si a video of a guy driving a tesla model 3 and while driving he smashes the screen to pieces with a hammer. oyu can still operate the car completely.

Excellent work again Elliot 👏 Looks great, i can see some BYD seal in the front and perhaps some MG4 in there too. Love the design and the screen

That upside down pants building in the background got all my attentions

And Geely is doing great job love their Polestar brand

Thanks

Why would the screen "not work" in a couple of years time..? Provided that the processor is sufficiently advanced to support future versions of the vehicle's OS, then there's no issue. And that is the key, either the chipset has to be future-proofed, or they have to be easily serviceable and upgradeable...surely, it will be easier/cheaper to swap-out a CPU then junk the entire car.

A big iPad with wheels attached on it ,so if comes to Europe make sure define it as a electronic device to reduce tariffs

Great review, I can’t wait to purchase an EV & a Chinese model will be no doubt what we go for! The only thing I don’t get with the Chinese automakers don’t seem to cater to the useable hatch back vehicles 🚗. Not too sure about the rest of the world but Hatch backs have been the most popular vehicle type for Australia/NZ, other than utes.

That is crazy.

hangzhou looks stunning

Why is there always a second lid on the frunk? It’s a bit useless to me.

Would it be possible for new cars to come with a dashboard slot to pop in my cell phone so I can both charge it and use it as a dash cam? Please? *_Please?_*

Rob's Roast has some interesting comments about FCS blocking, and more.

Forget the car, where can I get the screen to just sit under my main monitors? All the weather and notifications I could ever want. :)

Drove an Oldsmobile Trofeo with one of the first computer screens... Sure it's an obsolete computer by today's standards, but the instant mpg and engine data displayed in real time is still not as useful as a car gas pedal and brake. Put the big screen distractions in the house and live a lot longer.

There really should be a requirement for all control interfaces in vehicles meant for public roads to be open source, both hardware and software, and ideally compliant with some set of common standards (again, both hardware and software). That's really the only way you can resolve the issue you mention about the control displays going obsolete before the car does.

Where can i buy one

@paulb1951

Ай бұрын

China

Nice one Elliott, another good video. Saloons do nothing for me. Hatchbacks and estate's are far more practical and in most cases better looking to.

Let’s speak software support!

I was about to write that I would like do see a 8 to 10 year test of this car when Elliot questioned himself about the durability/reliabity of all the tech 😁

You can add at least 25% to the price if it comes to the UK. Look at the ORA prices elsewhere compared to the UK. I have an MG ZS EV and appreciate the chinese cars, but the depreciation means, I won't be able to change it for a new EV without taking a huge hit. If they can do it for £20,000 then taking the hit is made a bit sweeter.

@metricstormtrooper

Ай бұрын

Just replace it when you need too NOT when you want to, it's worked really well for me.

@pallettowngangster9297

Ай бұрын

This car won’t go for less than £45k in the UK. It will probably go for more.

why would the screen ever be obsolete? there is software updates for it and cars have screens for decades now. they're all still functional. i really don't understand this concern

If it's anything like BYD that £20k is gonna be more like £35k at least.

I hope grandad does not go for the sub 3.5 second version. I watched this and for the first time in a while I see a car I want, even with all the potential future unknowns like the screen. (Its like the engine noise in the Ionic 5N, it is childish but I like it.) Have to see it in the flesh. Agreed with everything you said. Thanks Wing Commander ~Richards. DES

If I want to see a screen, I'll sit and watch my TV or go on my computer. In a car, I just want the info I need for driving and that's it. A few analogue dials should do it.

@BatCountryAdventures

Ай бұрын

Some people prefer the info on a screen. The screen will offer the option to have GPS and different camera around the car. Honestly, when it comes to fully utilising all the functions, more screens the better.

@bentp4891

Ай бұрын

Yes. I hate all the touch screens and no real buttons.

@MartinzW

Ай бұрын

I want screen.

@netrox1345

Ай бұрын

thats just your opinion and that shows you are old enough but even then screens are better then monologs and sometimes safer as a matter of fact but ok keep driving a monolog car thats less safer then a smart car that can literally save your life. in case you dont know what im talking about you will see in the near future(if you still live then) what im talking about

@natecarte6807

Ай бұрын

​@@netrox1345 Putting all of the controls in a screen doesn't necessarily make it safer. Side mirrors, signalling stalks, AC vents etc.. should be adjustable without going through menus, there's such a thing as being too minimalistic.

I think this car is going to be taxed and fee´d and then you can buy it for 30.000 Euros in Europe ... that still would be a fantastic price for such a decent sedan with lots of horsepower and nice interior !!! I would definatly buy one when available for under 25.000 Euros in Germany.

China's progress is formidable.

Sounds promising. This for not much more than £20k. Not sure it will be that but the tech is good!👍🤞

Well it will cost twice as much in the UK but even at 38 Grand people will buy this. I won’t but I do think it’s pretty cool.

Citstion needed. Byd is behind Tesla again. Tjey were in front of sales for one quater and they are behind again. That one quater does not mean they have more market share or have made more cars.

Looks at 2012 tesla. Oh look still suported. Still works. No warn out buttons.

It Should still have basic manual controls for air con etc. but whatever.

The longevity of the screen is a worry for me also. I recently upgraded my Mitubishi Outlander PHEV to a used Kia E Niro. My budget allowed for either a Tesla Model 3 OR the E Niro. My budget isn’t inexhaustible and I tight with my cash. With the Tesla, I worry about the screen, controlling everything, and how much I’d have to pay to replace/repair it. With the Kia, I’ve got physical buttons, so if the screen fops on me - as long as I can still drive the car, I’d probably cheap out and drive it as-is.. I DO like the screen, but I’d not pay big money to replace it. The Geely is a nice car - I’d love to know the range and stats

@DeterminedFC

Ай бұрын

i mean the car only costs 20k so if the screen costs 3-5k to replace its not such a deal