A 1974 polish book for young hobbyists titled "Nowoczesne Zabawki" had, among many others, instructions to build an ion flying device. So this is truly revolutionary...

@ChainsawFPV

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@standavison328

2 жыл бұрын

On the shoulders of giants. … In this case Polish giants.

@iosushi

2 жыл бұрын

@Randy Boone I have seen footage of that and Hitler was there too. Very creepy video and have it somewhere.

@peterszar

2 жыл бұрын

"polish book" ? are you sure your not talking about an instruction manual about how to give items such as: shoes, tables, furniture, doorknobs ect. a good shine? Because if your referring to the country, those names are generally capitalized as in; "Poland or Polish"

@breakthrough8628

2 жыл бұрын

Revolutionary? It was in a 1970s magazine... lol

I love how they always "reinvent" old tech as new.

@JeffStarch

2 жыл бұрын

round and round we go

@TheRoninkai

2 жыл бұрын

Reapplied in this case.

@erbenton07

2 жыл бұрын

Well, whats new is untethered flight and the ability to carry a reasonable payload

@MrBonners

2 жыл бұрын

old principal, new material science materials, the field is called 'applied science' not new tech principles.

@Bonez0r

2 жыл бұрын

If this is old tech, then show me the drone that already existed that uses this technology and has the same capabilities, not just on paper but in a working prototype or commercial model we normal people can buy (not military etc).

I like the enthusiasm of the host. He seems to really be enjoying. It makes watching the video worthwhile.

Interesting. Worked on a project for F1 in the early 90's that involved ionizing the boundary layer on wings to enhance laminar flow. Worked quite well.

@buisyman

2 жыл бұрын

How did they produce enough power to make it work?

@OdeeOz

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the tech is older than what you worked on. They made these things as hobby crafts back in the 60's. 👍🏼👏🏼🤝🏼

@thomassuit7450

2 жыл бұрын

@@buisyman How much horsepower does an F1 engine make? The question is how much power did they need to keep the air sticky.

@buisyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomassuit7450 I'm not talking about how much power the device produces, I'm talking about how much power it takes to make the thing work.

@thomassuit7450

2 жыл бұрын

@@buisyman That's a much better question than, "How did they produce enough power to make it work?"

I did this in junior high like 20 years ago.. it was called high voltage lifter. You made them out of balsa wood, tinfoil, an old computer screen and thin copper wire. Update: Very impressive and commendable that it runs without cables, but hard to imagine a battery dense enough to allow for a meaningful flight that can overcome wind forces on such a large surface area required for silent ion propulsion.

@drink15

2 жыл бұрын

When I read 20 years ago, I was thinking 1980s. Not 2002! I'm getting old

@carlosantenna

2 жыл бұрын

@@drink15 same, lol, ouch

@texasfossilguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@drink15 ssme

@oh_knee7173

2 жыл бұрын

@@drink15 omg me too

@gerstmanndavid

2 жыл бұрын

Could it lift two pounds for 15 minutes?

I wondered when this would show up. I recall seeing researchers developing the tech in Popular Science Magazine back in the 1970's. However, the flights of the wireframe devices were tethered to control and power. Todays more advanced technology for power, computing and light weight materials was far away. This tech still has great potential for the future. Thanks for the great video and coverage of this concept.

@Cetok01

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that same article back then. Nice to see the technology finally making a comeback.

@johnculver6994

2 жыл бұрын

Not in "lifter" form it doesn't. Some form of EM drive in air does but not with any of the current power plants we have.

@chrisw1462

2 жыл бұрын

"...were tethered.." Yeah, so is this one. It's the only way it could work.

@halweilbrenner9926

2 жыл бұрын

Skeptical people kill technological advances.

@halweilbrenner9926

2 жыл бұрын

It's in its infancy. Give it a few years for development.

One puff of wind and that old school LIFTER will blow away. I am glad to see they are working on stable flight designs. I have built many Lifters years ago when it was the thing to do. Small basic ones and large 4 foot ones. Never spent more than a few dollars to build and used junk CRT supplies. But with out some sort of controls they had to be tethered. So it is interesting to see them working on a balancing system.

@MrBonners

2 жыл бұрын

what makes you think anybody gave money? these and commonly inexpensive materials available in any hobby store to Home Depot. one of proof of concept. less then $100-ish.

I remember an article on ion lifting devices in the late 1960s, maybe very early 1970s. Popular Mechanics, I think. Of course at that time even an onboard power supply of any significance, much less flight control electronics, wasn't in the cards.

@feraudyh

2 жыл бұрын

The difference is probably in today's battery energy density.

@williamivey5296

2 жыл бұрын

@@feraudyh Definitely, and more efficient electronics.

@brianhaygood183

2 жыл бұрын

@@feraudyh The difference is fraud and lies. See this video of this incredibly loud thing actually flying using a central ducted fan: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html The guy's dog must be stone deaf.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

There is no way the UT device lifts its power supply with ion propulsion. There is a video of it online called something like UT Mission 2 Flight, where a loud ducted fan can clearly be heard spooling up in the center of the craft. On my YT channel there are about 36 flight videos of a series of ion propelled crafts that are patented for lifting their power supplies. They had to be built very light in weight and required a large number of particular upgrades to get the power supplies onboard. I don't believe the UT craft has onboard power, nor is it "silent."

Powered by a gigantic EDF in the center of the drone lol.

@Tymopta

2 жыл бұрын

They don't even try to hide it. Just claim it has no propellers and provide no audio of its flight. Definitely dont invest in this company.

@Roswellflighttestcrew1947

2 жыл бұрын

I am really hoping I'll get to see this thing in person at some point -- although it doesn't help that I'm in the far corner of the country. I couldn't be much further away and still be in the United States. But, anyway, given how those panels flex when it lands, I feel pretty confident there isn't a prop in there, or it would shred those panels...

@SweetBlu

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 I'm in the same corner of the country you are :) And it isn't a prop, it is a contained EDF right in the middle of the center electronics stack (I assume that is what the middle is) You can se it clearly at 1:45 in the video, and at 2:08 - 2:35 or so you can see on the bottom what looks like thrust vectoring moving on the underside in that middle stack as well. All of this makes me think that device flying in the video reel is powered by a thrust vectored (HUGE) EDF, and the plates are just for show/size/mockups. But I will say with 100% confidence that thing flying in the video is powered by that EDF lol

@BadassedRC

2 жыл бұрын

If anything, I'd say almost all the lift is provided by the EDF and maybe, just maybe stabilized by the ionic wind. Seems fairly pointless but who knows!

@PauMallol

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 please don't put your face there: at least figure out what is that EDF for...

The earlier "flight" video released by UT on their website, restarts the camera angle about 8 times. On the middle 5 or so momentary clips it is shown starting from a higher point each time. That leads the viewers to think it was a 15 second flight instead of a perhaps 6 second or so flight? Update: Very recently they released a video with sound. Here's the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html. Their craft does in fact have a loud ducted fan in the middle. Since the lifter part has a low thrust to weight ratio, it is hard to see how the leaf blower component wouldn't fly better without the lifter. They also very recently had a patent application published. It is for a "heated cathode lifter." There have been heated cathode lifter videos online, of the same design, for over a decade and they produce not that much added lift, and about 40% less thrust per watt. There was an earlier video of the craft showing a large lever attached holding up the craft with a counterweight/bucket and external power supply, that video seems to be taken down now. I agree with the other viewers that it may have a ducted fan in the center at this point. Mr. Pribanic is named in a leaf blower patent, but no other patent applications have been published that I could locate. He had posted that it was supposed to be patent pending in 2018. I've been working on an ion propelled vehicle for 22 years that does in fact lift its power supply. It is the only one that can do it solely with ion propulsion. However, there is no known physics that would allow a purely ion propelled craft specifically with the weight and geometry of the UT device to lift its power supply or a payload. It is concerning because people can become confused when it comes to what the capabilities of ion propulsion actually are. Please see US Patents 10,119,527, and 11,161,631, and the over 30 videos of my craft in flight with onboard power, but please keep in mind, that no ion propelled craft is going to lift several pounds and its power supply, unless it covers a much larger surface area, has a much more efficient geometry, and is built much lighter, than UT's craft. There are other factors as well, such as a novel power supply. As Carl Sagan once said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He might as well be selling "Undefined Properties..."

@EdwardRCAir

2 жыл бұрын

I'm feeling suspicious too

@gabrielleyba2842

2 жыл бұрын

if this was real we would see a single uncut footage of it going from here to there, instead I see only a pathetic plastic trash pulled up by invisible strings, this is lamer than the hoverboard

@borntodoit8744

2 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielleyba2842 You guys dont want to believe - I get it. Do you guys believe in a flat earth aswell? After all you've never seen footage of a continuous flight around the world? Go stick your heads in the dirt...its plain and obvious this is exactly what it s...a silent drone which flies for the time advised. Its a concept drone.

@57z

2 жыл бұрын

@@borntodoit8744 it's not about "belief" but rather show us compelling evidence. The short silent video clips of it flying on the video we're commenting on, is not enough proof this vehicle actually works. Your comment about flat earth is the same as someone saying do you believe in healing crystals..... Anycase here is another video of it flying with sound. It uses ducted fans! So the claim of it being silent is false. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html

@monkayjim999

2 жыл бұрын

@@57z that drone is pretty noisy for a silent craft ;)

Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content 🤙🏾

why does an ion lifter have a ducted fan in the center? 1:45

@Reivehn

4 ай бұрын

Cooling the coils that generate the charges most likely

"I can only give you so much without charging you a lot of money." And that my friends is something scammers say.

@osgsonnie7738

2 жыл бұрын

Well it depends on what you think he's scamming. Why would you tell your competition what your doing and how? Its companies with way more financial resources and could produce it as soon as they know the key ingredients pass what he said. Then what do he have? Empty pockets for his ideas

@davidsirmons

2 жыл бұрын

Or people protecting their technology.

This looks interesting. The older asymmetric capacitor "lifters" used aluminum foil on a balsa wood or plastic frame, powered by 35,000VDC. The two sheets of aluminum foil formed the asymmetric capacitor plates. The problems with those were little or no directional control, and very minimal payload capability. This one is VERY interesting, as it appears not to use solid sheets. It looks like wires or struts with space between them on a frame shaped similar to the old lifters. I need to research these!

@garrykennedy5484

2 жыл бұрын

I made one using an old CRT monitor and aluminum foil on balsa wood and Tungsten steel wire. It was amazing to see it lift! Never though of using multi levels.

@Wateringman

2 жыл бұрын

@@garrykennedy5484 i guess there is always a new "mousetrap" I can go further. I've considered that once the riddle of fusion reactors is solved, the next hurdle will be to miniaturize fusion reactors one day, for military applications, then civilian. With that kind of power, devices can be built to do so many things. And then someone will figure out to create room temperature super conductors. Exciting isn't it. To literally one day fulfill Carl Sagan's prediction. Possess technology indistinguishable from magic. Live long and prosper! 🖖

@timan2039

2 жыл бұрын

Materials engineering has progressed quickly

@marc_frank

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info

@steamboatwillie8517

2 жыл бұрын

@@garrykennedy5484 me too. Used the final anode tripler for the hv. Successful in that it went up and down, but absolutely no guidance at all, and wouldn't lift more than itself. As they strip the air molecules, the atmosphere around it smelled of ' after a thunderstorm', and there was some debate that constant exposure may have an impact on mental health( how would they be able to tell with me????) I gave up with it as I couldn't get it to move anything else.

WOW!!!! This is the real future of flying commercial vehicles not noisy propeller based ones... HOW CAN I BUY STOCKS IN THIS COMPANY!!! This is a gold mine!

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

There is only one invention that really lifts its power supply vertically with ion propulsion. It has two patents for that reason. There are more than 30 videos of it on my channel.

@CC-Pi

2 жыл бұрын

@@KraussEMUS1 Wow! I just watched a few on your channel, this is incredible, who ever owns that patent is sitting on one of the most transformative innovations in a 100 years! Back to the future flying cars here we come, it's early days I know but that's where I see this tech leading to, very exciting! great work Ethan.

The interviewer, inconceivable!! Also just simply amazing!! I love how far technology has come in my life time this far!

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The UT craft is powered by a ducted fan. Sorry to spoil anything! Here is a video of their craft with audio: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html There are however a series of ion propelled crafts on my channel that are patented for lifting their power supplies onboard using ion propulsion!

It is NOT a "new concept." We just haven't had the electronic guidance available until modern drone technology.

I talked to a high school electronic teacher about this concept 60 years ago. He warned me about the dangers of the phenominally high DC Voltages. Power supplies are more efficient now.

@gordonlawrence1448

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and batteries are lighter for a given capacity and power rating.

@mirandela777

2 жыл бұрын

@@gordonlawrence1448 - the HUGE problem with the batteries is how efficient they can store a required amount of energy, for HOW LONG, and in WHAT conditions. Any Tesla owner will know how the batteries behave at sub-zero temperature ( higher you go, in atmosphere, colder it is ! ) ;

At 1:45 I see a top view pic that clearly shows a Fan or propeller. So what was it? Confusing it tell people no props but clearly shows a fan either for propulsion or cooling on top.Can someone tell me who knows the drone what am I seeing?

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

Here is video of the loud ducted fan similar to the "Ikarus" flying ducted fan: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html The only real ones are my channel.,

No propellers but an EDF right in the middle. Cue the BS alarm!

As a physicist I understand the physics behind this, but I have doubts it will be efficient enough to go beyond a proof of principle demo. Package delivery without noise: use cyclists, and construct cycle friendly cities ...

@Rood6

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has no idea how the physics behind this work I am actually pretty positive. Without people/companies developing (new) technology we wouldn't move forward as a society.

@borntodoit8744

2 жыл бұрын

As an engineer rather than a theoretical physist. I would argue ...its possible to hve a swarm of these silent low payload flying drones. One drone will not drop off a parcel. But a cage above and below and around the parcel and absolutely a swarm of drones can lift the heavier parcels or whatever application its implemented for. Think Process Solution, Think Technical Solution...but the best solution is a hybrid of Process and Technical solution. Think like a practical engineer not like a Theoretical physist when it comes to solving problems...gets you further. QED

@SwissPGO

2 жыл бұрын

@@borntodoit8744 What makes you think I'm a theoretical physicist? I definitely did most of my research work in engineering actually: building things. Issues I see with this concept: low energy efficiency and probably difficulty to fly in certain conditions with extreme humidity. I would like to see some demo's is such conditions before investing.

@Pencil0fDoom

2 жыл бұрын

Vacuum tubes. Like at the old bank drive thrus. God thats a stupid idea. And… post!

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

I am an EE and specialize in ion propulsion. The UT craft can't lift its power supply without a loud ducted fan in the middle. Their latest video has audio, and it is really clear that there is a leaf blower EDF in the center. On my channel there are 30 + videos of an ion propelled craft that can lift its power supply, but it requires very specific and lightweight construction to make it possible. It isn't probable that UT craft could produce enough force to lift itself using ions considering the construction details of their craft. The thrust to weight is off by several orders of magnitude.

My Daughter and I built a Lifter for her school science project after her teacher told us our idea would not work....we got it to work although it was tethered to the ground and somewhat eratic......it is nice to see the tech going beyond the tether

@johnculver6994

2 жыл бұрын

Well the technology hasn't got off the tether. They used an EDF in the center to provide lift.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnculver6994 On my channel there are a series of the only ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies. They do still have non- conductive safety tethers, but I hope to get rid of those asap. I agree with you that the UT craft is clearly propelled by a ducted fan.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@theinsane101 You did not look at my channel, patents, and website. I did find a way to do it, but it was very difficult. It had to be very large and light. I have also been working on it for 22 years. I have left very clear information to explain how the thrust to weight ratio was increased so much. I know "lifters" are not going to lift their power supplies, but my craft does!

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@theinsane101 Also, if you look on my channel under the videos tab the 8th video down shows closeup footage of one of the older power supplies that flew onboard in the "early experiment" video. It is shown making large sparks and they are visibly sent to different areas for steering. I would appreciate an apology once you realize that my invention works. I did not spend my life as an EE working with in propulsion to trick people. The officials that support that my craft lifts its power supply, by well-known physics, are not "liars" either. I know the thrust to weight had to be increased a lot.

Incredible. This solve so many potential problems with propellers

Silence is not what all this people are talking about. They sound so loud that I can even read the comments without even looking at them! So cool !!! IONS Stravaganza !

I believe that JLNlabs got something flying in the early 2000s but it might have been a fixed wing plane. This is looks basically like a big version of what back then was called "lifters". Fun to play with and interesting to see that some still work on this.

@RaphaelAguirre

2 жыл бұрын

yes!

@thetruthchannel349

2 жыл бұрын

I had a friend around that time who was working under contract with Texas Instruments who was doing work for he said NASA but that might have been just him telling me that to not get in trouble but anyway he was working on something like this with a team in Dallas. So much of this is tied to grant money and just keeping scientists and engineers working. You could fill 10 football fields up with stuff like this thats been designed and built since the 1950s.

I saw videos on a airplane someone built with the same propulsion method. Works the same as those ionic air filters you might have in your house or at least seen on TV. Charged air is drawn from the negative plate to the positive. I was impressed that this could actually lift more than it's own weight. The lack of moving parts is pretty cool. Just wish it was a bit more efficient.

@manifold1476

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot to say that the airplane CANNOT POSSIBLY BE MADE TO MOVE (while on Earth) using only ion propulsion. IT'S A SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY!!!!!

@allangibson2408

2 жыл бұрын

@@manifold1476 You obviously haven’t worked with high voltage electrical systems. Stopping them moving is a major challenge.

@thetruthchannel349

2 жыл бұрын

Ya theyve been using electro-magnetically charged particles for stuff like this since the late 80s and probably way before that. This isnt anything new.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

That was MIT's V2 craft. Theirs was not the first ion propelled craft to lift its power supply though, nor is it nearly as efficient as the earlier series of solely ion propelled crafts on my channel. They are patented since 2014 for lifting their power supplies onboard against Earth's gravity solely with ions. There is a video on my channel of one producing a greater than 1 to 1 vertical lift for almost 2 minutes. The UT craft above requires a high-powered ducted fan in the middle as its source of lift rather than ions.

@thetruthchannel349

2 жыл бұрын

@@KraussEMUS1 *Making the 70s great again*

Congratulations we finally figured out something that spiders have known about for millions of years.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The real thing is on my channel and yah, it does look a bit like that.

Finally someone is making use of this technology. I'd be incredibly surprised if it doesn't become commercial.

@KraussEMUS1

Жыл бұрын

The UT version above is propelled by a ducted fan. There are many videos on my channel of a series of real ion propelled crafts with onboard power. They are patented for lifting their power supplies against Earth's gravity..

@qownson4410

Жыл бұрын

@@KraussEMUS1 I've seen them, but I like this one more. I've seen this tech and a lot of hobbiest crafts. It's not new, I know that. I like this companies approach the most though.

@KraussEMUS1

Жыл бұрын

​@@qownson4410 Here is a link to a video of the above craft with audio: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html A loud EDF can be heard on the craft, it's like a toy aircraft jet engine fan. There are many flying machines online propelled by them. A two-stage lifter like the one above, requires an external power supply weighing kilograms to lift a craft that weighs grams. A two-stage lifter also produces only about 1/2 a gram of lift per watt, 3-stage ones even less. My patents show how to make an ion thruster that lifts its power source. The UT craft has none of the factors that would make it lift its power supply without requiring a powerful fan.

Ion lifters are cool. This one's no exception. Like a typical lifter it looks very gracile and a well aimed fart could blow it into the scrapyard.

@natsume-hime2473

2 жыл бұрын

This one is an exception. The floor model us never shown actually flying, thus probably isn't functional. The videos have no audio and the flying unit clearly has an EDF(Electric Ducted Fan) in it for propulsion. So UT is clearly not telling the truth.

@kazishacez25

2 жыл бұрын

😑

@mmace3

2 жыл бұрын

@@natsume-hime2473 Just a thought, maybe the fan is for initial liftoff?

@mmace3

2 жыл бұрын

Well aimed fart LOL gives new meaning to "throwing a fart"

@natsume-hime2473

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmace3 probably not considering that particular EDF pretty powerful, but also very heavy. It's pretty simple, if an ion lifter can't lift itself off the ground alone, there is no way its going to be able to fly under ion propulsion carrying that fan.

5x5 feet... 2 lbs of payload, flying by magic. Can't wait to see how this evolves.

@grahamstevenson1740

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't have 2 lbs of payload, more like 2 ounces. People just LIE to impress.

@AskJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahamstevenson1740 It's hard to imagine something as large as that flying in the first place. Sometimes when they talk about features they're really talking about their long term goals. The question is... how long... 2 more years... 20?

@stultusvenator3233

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking of the first attempt at hang gliding and where we are now. It is a great step forward.

@AskJoe

2 жыл бұрын

@KamiEuKiTo Yes... definitely. I'm excited that such a thing is even possible in the atmosphere and how it could potentially lead to all sorts of innovations. Even without high altitude flight, hovering a foot off the ground could still eliminate friction and create a fun amphibious glider like they use in the Everglades.

@dwb4462

2 жыл бұрын

It will evolve for sure

I suspect this is using the Biefeld-Brown effect, and not an "ion drive" -- but it's still impressive! I hope they continue to develop this! This could be the prototype for a genuine flying car in 20 to 30 years...

@carlosoliveira-rc2xt

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah.......no.

@mrkiky

2 жыл бұрын

Flying cars won't be a thing for as long as it requires a bunch of times more energy to lift something into the air compared to rolling it on the ground. Unless we find a way to levitate stuff without expending energy, or find an energy source so plentiful that it won't matter, we will continue to build roads and roll on the ground.

@fredashay

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrkiky Well, your crystal ball and my crystal ball disagree with each other 😛

@fredashay

2 жыл бұрын

@JZ's Best Friend I think I got 20 to 30 good years ahead of me. Anyway, I got mine from a scalper near Times Square, bleh 😛

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The UT craft requires a noisy high-powered ducted fan in the middle to fly. On my channel are real ion propelled crafts with onboard power. They are patented for lifting their power supplies against Earth's gravity. They are however very lightweight.

there are ion air filters, i was cleaning mine last night. as soon as i saw the drone, i figured it was that. cool concept but not really a surprise. glad this guy figured it out.

The Electrojet™ ionic vortex streaming turbine was the breakthrough technology the world was waiting for. Now imagine how to arrange the wires to create a columnar laminar flow of air that is compressed and exhausted out to increase thrust. I think there are imaginative ways to vastly improve this kind of technology.

@geraldpratt5252

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@sylvaingregoire9008

2 жыл бұрын

it sounds great , but you are using terminology that i dont understand, . What is a columnar laminar flow, im an old fellow, go easy on me.

@Barefoot-Jaycee

2 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if the answer was there the whole time. 🤔

@slopeIV

2 жыл бұрын

That would require too much energy-these things cannot even produce enough thrust to lift their own power source let alone compress air

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@slopeIV There are a series of patented solely ion propelled crafts on my channel that can lift their power supplies. They are the only ones that can though.

The quietness of this might give it stealth military applications. There has long been rumours of a top secret stealth blimp that has a black triangle radar evading shape, uses lighter than air gas to float, and silent Biefeld Brown effect Ion Thrusters to push itself around.

@Fighter4Street

2 жыл бұрын

military applications? I'm thinking about peeping into my neighbors windows.

@Lickemstick

2 жыл бұрын

You're not even scratching the surface of what the modern US military is capable of. Want a weekend killing rabbit hole? Look up The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. TLDR: Government has the right to make any patent secret.

@lothean2099

2 жыл бұрын

Saw that ship on the show xfiles

@user-bt2lx4gy7h

2 жыл бұрын

The tr3b?

@flashkraft

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bt2lx4gy7h no the tr3b is more of an antigravity device. Assuming it does exist.

We were promised hoverboards in 2015, but all we got was a flying hamster cage (honestly though this actually really cool)

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

If it were real. The only real ones are on my channel.

very cool. whats the max lift. thrust vectoring. is the payload below orabv it

I didn't think we had already reached the power-density level for batteries to be able to lift themselves using this kind of propulsion alone...

@johnculver6994

2 жыл бұрын

It hasn't. They had an radio control electric ducted fan in the center. I call that cheating.

@darioinfini

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnculver6994 Yeah I spotted that in there too. Notice you didn't hear this either, just the fat guy incessantly talking. It might be quieter than a full on drone but it's not "quiet" with that center fan doing much of the lifting. I imagine the ion thrust is just used for directional control and stability rather than actual lift capacity.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The UT craft doesn't, it would take at least 100s of times more power. The crafts on my channel though do carry their power supplies onboard by ionic thrust. They are the only VTOL ones in the world that do. It makes sense though why mine work and it is clearly described.

@atlanteum

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they'll make a deal with Elon for some 4680s!

@sootuckchoong7077

2 жыл бұрын

This technology is from outer space. That's why we used to see UFOs.

That this guy got this wooden drone out without getting killed is amazing, since ION Lightweight Technology is one part of classified military technology for over five decades.

@paullangford8179

2 жыл бұрын

Ion lifters have been made since the 1970's.

@socaljet

2 жыл бұрын

@@paullangford8179 theres a ducted fan on that thing lol at 1:27

@julioperez-delgadojr2976

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. This is not magic and not high technology. Its just inefficient and thats why you dont see it anywhere.. jet engines on the other hand can generate more than 100 times the power of a car engine. Thats why planes use jet engines and why all power plants use turbines. Efficiency is all that matters. Ion propulsion only works well in a vacuum like space.

@julioperez-delgadojr2976

2 жыл бұрын

He has a fan in the middle of it too, I just noticed, what a joke that guy is, a real scam artist.

@lnteIIigence

2 жыл бұрын

Sure.

I want my bed like that flowing out of our window as my wife has severe morning moods😂

Cool these guys at Undefined Technology are right in my neck of the woods. I really want to see and hear this thing fly.

I’ve seen ionocraft but i never expected to see one turned into a drone! I guess it should be rather obvious but i imagine its extremely technical.

@douglasdtlltd

2 жыл бұрын

It has an EDF in the middle of it with control fins.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

On my channel are the only really ion propelled VTOL crafts with onboard power.

It’s funny to read all the comments posted by these wannabe scientists trying to figure out and explain in great detail how this amazing tech is flying, and know one is even bothering to take notice of the one guy who’s saying it’s a gigantic edf. You can even see the ducted fan clearly during the video, he’s not even trying to hide it from the camera, I don’t even think it’s a scam, more a joke that everyone seems to be completely going along with.

@gigachad293

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's not a joke. Do you want me to explain? Everything is simple. The turbojet engine in the middle of this structure creates a lifting force, which is why it rises up. Yes it is. But, as we can observe, the flight is stable and the drone does not fall on its side after takeoff. These panels on the sides create traction, which compensates for the torque and makes the drone stable. In an interview, the inventor himself says that stable flight is achieved by changing the thrust power on individual panels. It's simple, my friend. And don't confuse people with your comment. Have a nice day.

@gigachad293

2 жыл бұрын

These wannabe scientists understand more than you can imagine... Or are you one of those who don't know anything about science and are trying to prove their stupid theory to everyone?

@JimMaz

2 жыл бұрын

That fan is probably to cool the high-voltage electronics.

@InYourDreams-Andia

2 жыл бұрын

EDF for sure, how can the deafening screech of that be noiseless? This is clear deception, otherwise they'd mention it.

@natsume-hime2473

2 жыл бұрын

@@gigachad293 Calling other people's scientific credentials into question, when you're patently and obviously wrong. They claim the craft is silent. Not with the EDF they're using, not even close. They state front and center that its propelled purely by ions. The EDF proves that's a bold faced lie. There's a video on UT's own KZread channel, with audio where they make these very claims. Which are disproved by the very loud EDF being obviously very loud. With the EDF, there is no way they have enough on board power to even stabilize this thing using ionic thrust. But the best part? Their own demonstration video has the comments disabled, for the obvious reason that all the claims they're making are complete lies.

You have to see it, according to them to lift itself alone and fly for fifty minutes is really something! then to carry two pounds payload is truly amazing, what comes to my mind is hover cars maybe. Very impressed with the demo flight, but I think it is going to quiet a while before these will be able to handle themselves outside.

@kevinloose9939

2 жыл бұрын

Fifteen minutes of flight

@lazybee666

2 жыл бұрын

It's a scam

small issue though.. it does have a propeller in the center. whats it doing there?

Why can’t they just try to do what DYSON Is doing with their “blade-less” fans? They re-direct the air flow from an internal fan to project the force from small openings that are almost invisible to see. It would be the safest drone and the technology is already more developed than Ionized drones.

@sticky_ricebowl

2 жыл бұрын

1. the weight of an aircraft like that would mostly be those small ducts/openings that's redirecting and concentrating the air. 2. you can only move so much air through a small opening. To make up for that, you'd either need less thrust or a bigger opening, at that point it's just better to have a regular open propeller design. despite my points here, I don't really have any better idea other than open prop designs. Ionized drones are cool but they're still a long way before being an alternative

@harutoiguchi5678

2 жыл бұрын

A company called jetoptera is using that technology! Also a youtuber called Integza stuck an afterburner on the bladeless fan.

@domestinger8805

2 жыл бұрын

Ethan Krauss yt

@BADBILLY

2 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video? That is not the point. This is like saying to someone who invented a car that flies on no tires and causes 0 emmissions. "why dont you just ride the bus?"

@TheeLogicGamer

2 жыл бұрын

Look up Cleo Robotics Dronut X1

what about fan in the center of drone? :D

Really nice people especially the interviewer 👍👍👍👍great video guys, thanks 🙏

so wat happen to the ionized air around it? how much ozone does it generate?

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The only ion propelled VTOL crafts with onboard power are on my channel. The UT thing is powered by a ducted fan. Here is audio of it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html The UT one would produce a lot of ozone in that configuration, but it can't lift its power supply with ions.

That "propeller" (ducted fan, producing 8kg of force) at 1:45 is extremely loud!!! But hey, this new technology promises a good future!!! Keep up! This ducted fan won't be needed in a short period of time! Also, correct me if you are able to fly without the ducted fan! It's the 12S EDF JP Hobby 120mm???

@chrisB_OG

2 жыл бұрын

Oh! So it’s not just magical ions

@grahamjpjones

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that myself, if its a silent lifting device, why does it need a bloody big ducted fan in the middle of it

@davidzachmeyer1957

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly the one! Red and yellow anodizing, very distinctive. They didn't even try to hide or disguise it.

@kaseyboles30

2 жыл бұрын

Current battery tech cannot provide sufficient energy/weight ratios for pure ion lift in any meaningful way. It might be possible to build something superlight that under controlled conditions using supercapacitors for energy storage to get a few seconds of flight time. But it'd be a challenge to do.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaseyboles30 On my channel are the only ones that actually really can do it, but you are right it does have to be super light:).

A future silent drone, possibly with multiple computers controlling the zones for the ion wind to steer and move... I look forward to this

@trucid2

2 жыл бұрын

They create ions by breaking down air molecules, which they then propel using strong electruc fields to create lift. They produce ozone.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@trucid2 It's possible to design one that doesn't, but they usually do.

@trucid2

2 жыл бұрын

@@KraussEMUS1 How would you do it? Without ions you don't get thrust.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@trucid2 Hi LP, The crafts on my channel just add electrons to the O2 in the air. O2 has a high affinity for electrons and just grabs them up. It just takes a very high voltage low current power source. It also takes a super light large surface area craft and very specialized electronics and geometry to maximize the thrust per watt.

@trucid2

2 жыл бұрын

@@KraussEMUS1 Very cool. I looked at some of your vids. That thing looks like a UFO.

Ever since I saw someone on KZread do a test with using an ion drive in a vacuum. I said hmm... It doesn't seem to work well in a vacuum, but it works really good in an O2 environment. This could replace a drone and I stumbled on this video. Great jo!

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

It uses a ducted fan for lift: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html There are real ones on my channel though!

He can only give us [info]"so much without charging us a lot of money....controlling the different quadrants of the craft in order to provide different lift between sections of the craft.."? WOW! what a revolution! I only hope propeller driven quad-copters adopt this amazing technology!

It also has an EDF in the center! "Electric duct fans (EDF) operate with less noise and more efficiency while still offering RC aeromodellers the potential to experience the thrill of seeing their winged replicas soar through the air."

@peterwood2633

2 жыл бұрын

Less noise and more efficiency. EDFs are no where near as efficient (making thrust from input power) as a prop system. They are never quiet either. They can sound like Hoovers in the sky or like mini turbines which is cool but certainly not quiet!

@DNMEBOY

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterwood2633 There’s a video of this device on their channel with sound. It’s very loud.

@peterwood2633

2 жыл бұрын

@@DNMEBOY stands to reason I mean it's a biefeld-brown effect lifter in 2022 with very little lifting capacity still. Reason they used to be made of balsa and foil!

@DNMEBOY

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterwood2633 I was just agreeing that EDFs are very loud and so is this craft despite being advertised as silent. . Looks and sounds as if the only thing providing lift to it is an EDF with thrust vectoring. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html

Back to the future hover board is looking more real as we see this technology evolve 👍 very cool 😎✌️

So what’s with the fan jet and thrust vectoring

This is what I've been thinking a very long time ago, but someone already made it!

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

It can't lift its power supply without a ducted fan. On my channel are real ones that can though!

Someone explain why a (what pretty much is) an EDF in the center (time mark 1:45) 🤔😳

@krisraps

2 жыл бұрын

Looks Some Sort of Jet Engine, YEs , LOL !

What happens to flies when they land on it while it's ionizing the air around it?

@jenny-DD

2 жыл бұрын

It loses its power crashes - leaving your pink handcuffs and but plug purchased on Amazon on the road for someone to steal

@biblebasher9364

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenny-DD Those were my dad's! We have the same name!

Yeah, there's a ducted fan (EDF) dead center of the unit we see flying in the video. The ion flow isn't enough to lift the craft, but it is enough to control pitch, and roll. One thing it can't do is control is yaw - as evidenced by the constant turning of the demo while flying.....can't overcome those EDF rotational forces without adding at least 2 more ion generator panels at 90 degrees to the ground.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty certain all of its control is accomplished by small fins on the bottom of the ducted fan, similar to the "Ikarus" flying ducted fan and others online.

How cool, the stock photo is of Battery Point in Hobart where I lived. 🙂

My guess is that future use of this technique will involve using a hybrid design which also has rotors to allow it to handle wind, rain, etc. and which can be activated for extra-heavy loads.

@digimaks

2 жыл бұрын

This plus rotors- means you wasting more payload weight capacity for motor and blades. There is a specific limit of what existing battery types can handle.

@quantumleap359

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is that rain would cause excessive HV leakage, negating any lift. This is interesting technology, but sadly, impractical.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The UT craft requires a loud powerful ducted fan to lift itself. The only ones that really lift their power supplies solely using ion are on my channel. You are right though they are sensitive to wind at this point.

Awesome Tech this is the first step in the right direction love to see this technology applied on a grand scale what kind of aircraft could fly without propellers or jet engines pretty wild possibilities

@frogsshadow4189

2 жыл бұрын

Would probably be a lot more impressive without that massive EDF in the middle though

@pwnmeisterage

2 жыл бұрын

Not as Awesome as you think. It sucks a lot of power to produce very little lift, so it can't carry much battery, flight time is very limited. It can only travel vertically, unless it's fitted with other propulsion systems. It doesn't work well in uncontrolled atmospheric conditions, humidity and temperature change at every elevation, so it has a low flight ceiling. It will never replace rotors, propellers, and jets because it is impractical beyond toy scales.

@chrismallard3857

2 жыл бұрын

@@pwnmeisterage I just believed that any kind of tech that does not involve a rocket engine or propellers is a good start to Tech might not be perfect but it is definitely a step in the right direction no propellants needed know what I mean?

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@frogsshadow4189 The real version is on my channel, in case you didn't know.

@childrenoflight3010

Жыл бұрын

ufos

I did a science fair project in the 1960's on Igor Sikorsky's ion propelled helicopter that appeared in Popular Mechanics, I believe. After switching from fixed wing to rotary wing aircraft, Sikorsky tried to eliminate propellers and helicopter blades altogether.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

Please forgive my suggesting a correction, it was Major De Seversky and his Ionocraft.. Sikorsky invented the modern helicopter.

Great reporting.

My kids and I made one of these around 20 years ago for their science class. We built a power supply that pumped out over 60,000 volts. It’s was pretty cool. We harvested transformers and capacitors from old TVs and such. We built the craft out of balsa wood and aluminum foil. It flew. Pretty cool. But nothing new.

@666crippled666

Жыл бұрын

Yeah with it's power supply on the ground, the point is to be able to carry it

There are huge craft with ionic propulsion that are tethered to huge step up inverters producing 1000+ volts to get their flight but the substructure is balsa wood . No way can you produce that amount of power off of 2 lipo batteries. It works but no way Without a ton of batteries for a few seconds . I’m seeing EDF also.

@Thebasicmaker

2 жыл бұрын

never used a tv high voltage transformer?

@OverlandOne

2 жыл бұрын

I have my doubts as well.

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

There are some ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies solely using ion thrust. They can only be found on my channel though. They only work because they follow known physics in a very particular way. You are correct about the UT craft. There is no known way it could lift its power supply in its current form.

Can this work in reverse? Can you collect ions in the air to charge a battery?

2:44 Backdrop is Mt Wellington in Battery Point Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, from the corner of Hampden Road & Waterloo Crescent, though I don't remember seeing any stealth ionic drones hovering around ;-)

Hopefully in a hundred years people will look back at this footage and tell their children that machines like that were the first steps of silent personal aviation transport. No more buzzing drone fans means great potential for the future!

@mynameisgladiator1933

2 жыл бұрын

Somehow I think people in a hundred years will see this and laugh. "Oh look. Another person who never figured out how gravity/anti-gravity worked." ION propulsion is bullshit. Using the atmosphere to propel you is a dead-end.

@imantsjansons5009

2 жыл бұрын

Well, as a "drone experiment" it is interesting. But it is nothing new and nothing effective. "An ion-propelled aircraft or ionocraft is an aircraft that uses electrohydrodynamics (EHD) to provide lift or thrust in the air without requiring combustion or moving parts. Current designs do not produce sufficient thrust for manned flight or useful loads": wikipedia

people have been tinkering with ionic wind devices for decades and yet to find a way to make it usable... of course if you add a giant brushless ducted fan (WITH PROPELLERS) in the middle like these guys.. yeah it will take off.

I love the name of the company - UNDEFINED TECHNOLOGIES. Might as well be IMAGINARY VAPORWARE.

there is an electric duct jet fan inside the housing that provides most of the lift, please clarify how much lift is being done by the ion blades

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The ion thruster part, if it is operational at all, can't lift itself and its power source. There are some on my channel though that can.

I hope that this technology will become applicable to commercial use soon. I have heard from many sources like Dr. Steven M. Greer about technologies that could have propelled us decades beyond what we are using now. Ones that does not need us to burn too much fosil fuels but use more sustainable ones.

@richbob9155

2 жыл бұрын

This uses way more fuel to run than current drones. Ion engines are a dead technology from about 50 years ago and they have made zero improvements on the tech or usage. This company is just a scam.

@PorkFluff

2 жыл бұрын

ion propulsion requires a fuckton of electricity to generate even a tiny amount of lift, it is a ridiculously inefficient means of flight

@dingdongchingchong8659

2 жыл бұрын

If you think fossil fuels are just for cars for the 8+ billion people and can easily be replaced, youre not paying attention.

This is an older technology from about 20 years ago. I've seen this done over and over again with lightweight triangles. Any kind of real wind would probably knock this down. You're better off using a small wire from the ground that you can plug in.

@deltavee2

2 жыл бұрын

Gonna need a looooooong extension cord.

@ChrisHillASMR

2 жыл бұрын

The point always should have been to use it to reduce the frame weight to zero or near that and use multi axis engine to maneuver. Ppl are smart and some ppl clever. Takes a genius to do both.

-No Propellers -Dude it has big propeller in the center of it

Ion propulsion has been a dream come true. If the technology could be refined, it has so much applications. This could be the game changer in lot many fields including aviation.

@MrBonners

2 жыл бұрын

NASA and Musk have been working on it for years.

It uses high voltage to ionize the air and then repel it. Some says it can fly on vacuo but I don't believe.

What a happy host. Genuinely excited to be doing what he's doing.

@vladnickul

2 жыл бұрын

happy is getting your money and has nothing to that works :)

@acement1

2 жыл бұрын

Promoting fraud is always fun.

@jasonmichaelfarrant7808

2 жыл бұрын

lol

At 1:45 it looks a lot like a propeller and intake with housing that extends down to the landing gear.

@seasparrow7427

2 жыл бұрын

Really? And how does the air go through the plate right below it? You're pointing out a cooling fan... You expect that to produce zero heat?

@hyperteleXii

2 жыл бұрын

@@seasparrow7427 The title of the video clearly says "no propellers". That's clearly a propeller.

@jaybomb5022

2 жыл бұрын

@@seasparrow7427 EDF motors are used to produce thrust and cool the electronics in nearly ALL RC aircraft.....not familiar with the hobby huh? #DualPurposeFan

@mikelostcause

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaybomb5022 EDF would be prop thrust. EDF would be a poor choice to try to cool anything, a trimmed down computer fan would be lighter and easier to use if cooling were a concern. RC Aircraft electronics don't need active cooling at ambient temps. You can keep flight controllers, receivers, ESCs all inside airplane bodies, or strapped to low airflow areas of a multirotor without issues.

@jaybomb5022

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikelostcause My Extra 300, Cessna C188, Glasair Sportsman, etc all keep the ESC directly behind the motor with its own independent airflow channel. Alot of EDF jets also keep the ESC in the wind channel area to keep the heat sink cool. Flowing air is flowing air and a ducted fan is a great choice to cool electronics. Maybe on a small drone or cheap toothpick you're absolutely correct. But for real high performance applications 4S+ you 100% need to air cool the electronics. Especially on sophisticated flight controllers. DJI has a separate fan for its IMU alone to prove the point. Nice try though.

"It's quiet!" *proceeds to show all the video with audio removed* hmm... yeah ok.

This is amazing! If you partner with the D.O.D. two things will happen: You'll get massive funding, and we'll never hear about this project again because it will be militarized and go black. All good wishes!

The moment he mentioned ions, I knew it was lifter tech. I remember CERN developing something similar, using an electrostatic field across an aluminium frame to create aero lift.

@lcfflc3887

2 жыл бұрын

It has a giant propeller fan in the middle.lol

@ComRed_

2 жыл бұрын

@@lcfflc3887 The fan in the middle is used for the purpose of distributing necessary gases to the "lifters" to produce ionic thrust as ion propulsion requires gases to operate.

@lcfflc3887

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComRed_ LOL dude really 👈😃🤣 real ion crafts have no fans and you are lying.

@ComRed_

2 жыл бұрын

@@lcfflc3887 They perhaps could use tubes or pressurized gasses (as in most models), but here (I am not entirely certain as I am not the author of the build) they might have used a small ducted fan to distribute the gasses, besides I could confirm that a fan that small wouldn't be able to lift that thing up.

@natsume-hime2473

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComRed_ Sorry to burst your bubble, but this craft is lifted by a very loud EDF. Later videos on UT's own site that have audio prove this. They're obviously not making an actual ion lifter and it's nowhere near silent. It's a scam.

I hope that we can all keep our Ion this project!

So what was the turbo fan in the middle of the unit being used for!?

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

LIft.

This been out for many,many yrs.Its called a lifter.the first one was tin foil triangl shape wit three wires connected to a very high volt transformer or a tealsa coil.look up high volt ion lifters on youtube.

@ChrisGurin

2 жыл бұрын

I remember that! I might even have a copy of the discussion.

There's something strange in this drone; I thought the electrodes had to be of different metals and sizes to get a lifting effect. I also wonder how did they avoid the lightning.

@wesstone7571

2 жыл бұрын

Distance. It won't start popping until it's covered with filth.. remember, it's the same thing as an ionic air purifier. We all know how hard it is to clean those...

@jamesbizs

2 жыл бұрын

Strange? Probably the propellor in the center.

@brujo_millonario

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbizs that small propeller in the center alone couldn't lift the device.

@kaseyboles30

2 жыл бұрын

@@brujo_millonario It's plenty big enough for an edf. If you hear it running you'll hear just how fast it's spinning. VERY fast. That's how electric ducted fans work. That ducted fan alone is enough to meet the claims. The Ion system look to be secondary control/trim in function. Fine for a testbed to iron out ion flow control systems for such things or even ion propulsion systems for space craft/probes, where very tiny thrust over long periods can add up a lot.

This is very interesting. I have to ask though, what the hell is the image of Hobart, Tasmania (my home state) doing at the 2.44 mark?

I am pleased that this would not click-bait

I'd love to use this as a personal vehicle through the forest!😍😍😍

Aircraft propulsion is all about finding a means to transfer sufficient momentum to the air to get the reaction force on your vehicle.

@TBooneFisher6931

2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of F = M x A ??

What is the ducted fan in the middle?

No Propeller? whats the red thing at 1:44?

I hope this can be minimised and streamlined for the future, imagine ionic craft flying from city to city...silent commuting...

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The UT craft uses a loud ducted fan: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m52c0tR8Zavblpc.html The real thing is on my channel. It doesn't lift anything heavy yet though.

Tecnologia sendo liberada a humanidade parabéns pela iniciativa 👏👏👏👏

Compared to standard propeller driven drones, what’s the energy draw?

@KraussEMUS1

2 жыл бұрын

The UT craft produces roughly 1/2 gram of lift per watt, vs maybe 7 to 10 for a quadcopter. It could not carry its power supply without its powerful ducted fan. There are some on my channel that do have onboard power!

That’s amazing. I’m curious. Would the icon vehicle or drive be knocked off line with an electrical field or impulse ?

@andrewsparks4112

2 жыл бұрын

Power lines. Rain. Dust. Neighbors car speaker system.

Man I haven’t seen this type of lift propulsion since I was a kid. I’ve been trying to figure out what it’s called for the past 15 years. (New technology)🤣

The secret is to use high voltage applied to the metal square. The high voltage ionizantes the air and generate a repulsion.

@arminiusofgermania

2 жыл бұрын

hence, repulser technology

Finally came over a "not only time killing bulls.. video", how ever i ended up here. Nice

if you had a way to collect the ions after you get thrust from it without losing anything, this could be quite amazing!

@aaronlewis4475

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I agree, unlimited free energy would be pretty fantastic.

@ignasanchezl

Жыл бұрын

facepalm