When did ‘stability’ become a bad thing to running shoe companies? Did runners who need stability abandon the tried and true technologies, or did young marketing execs decide they knew better than their customers?

@assiemodem6654

Ай бұрын

The latter, hence why everyone deals with injuries. Asics and NB are stepping up and closing the gap in the market

@ck346

Ай бұрын

You have these young marketing people that like to make unnecessary changes. Not every shoe needs to be soft. New Balance is the worst of testers of these 100lb people and say the shoe is perfect. In reality that is not who is purchasing the shoe.

i love the new balance 860 v14. my first stability shoes. it really helps me in my runs. the only cons that i can think of is that its not that breathable like the other shoes.

@RunMoore

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching. Glad to hear you're enjoying your 860!

I just went to return a couple pair of Altra brand shoes I JUST purchased yesterday to find on sale with amazon today. The store I went in just so happened to have these and I tried them and had to have em. I've been big on stability. I actually liked them a little more than the vongo v6 I got from them a couple of weeks ago so I'm taking them back later today. lol I'm a nurse and predominately got these for walking around at work in a hospital, so glad he mentioned the "got them for work" element.

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear you liked the 860. It is one of our favorites in the midweight cushion stability shoe category. We hope they work well for you!

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

Terrific shoes. Also sold my Altra's.

I have the v12. My everyday walking shoes. I live near the New Balance factory and get all the latest updates on sale

Great video as always. I totally remember when NB reserved the 860's for run specialty only. Even the 1260 was not reserved. I also remember when some vendors sent out letters to all the small run specialty stores that we all were not allowed to sell their shoes on our own websites or third party sites. Thanks some vendors for helping out the small guys. 🤣 All jokes (not really) aside the current 880 is seriously fantastic as with the new 840. Vongo is interesting, but that rounded heel can feel odd for some just as it does on the 1080. I like how this new 860 compliments the Vongo's neutral support. Anyway..............these are great videos! Please support small independently owned shops like Run Moore!

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I appreciate all the support for the channel.

@PLANETWATERMELON

Ай бұрын

@@RunMoore well deserved. I do the same and I know how much work goes into to it.

860 sales were protected to keep the price up because it was sold by doctors & orthotic specialists. The previous versions really needed to be fitted, and would not have pleased a lot of runners compared with the 880 & 1080. Its significantly heavier & clunkier. Returns from online sales would have been high had they allowed them.

With this update the 860 has left it’s roots and has minimal arch support now. This is no longer a stability shoe. My 880v10 are way more stable. A friend is a podiatrist and this was his go to shoe. Off to other brands after years of a great supportive shoe.

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

While we always like to use arch support and stability interchangeably, they are different. Arch support is how high the arch profile is and how much it supports the arch. Stability is the technology built into the shoe to help prevent overpronation (sometimes supination as well). The 860v14 still has good stability for overpronation, but it definitely has a noticeably less aggressive arch profile.

@deshpillay6716

Ай бұрын

​@RunMoore Well Said. Thanks for that. I'm an over pronator who has relied on traditional stability shoes in the past (arch support, medial post etc..) however the modern stability technology has given us the 4D guidance system and the new V14 plate that has ensured genuine stability in a less intrusive way.

@ck346

Ай бұрын

@@RunMoore The arch support is a drastic reduction than the past versions. Even the 880V11 I find more stable and has more arch support than the newer 860V14. I really see no reason for New Balance to make every shoe like standing on marsh mellows and taking away the arch support in every model which they are on the role of. I have a good friend that is a podiatrist and New Balance was her go to shoe she said for years and now since New Balance has radically changed all the shoes to a very soft, not as supportive platform she dropped them.

@geekaykopter4059

27 күн бұрын

Please advise me for other stability shoes, I am still using my 860 v10 more over 2000 km when I try a new v.14 I feel my v10 still better than this shoe, thank you.

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

I can tell you haven't tried the 860 v14 ​@@ck346

Hi Steve, what in your opinion would be the top 2 or 3 shoes to try for supination? I also need 4E width and have bunion issues…all a result of previous foot injuries. No real running….,only walking and some occasional light running. Max cushion would be good too as my injuries were underfoot. Sorry about the tough ask! Much appreciate a response from you.

@RunMoore

3 күн бұрын

Our number one choice (and customers' favorite for pronation and supination) would recommend the Brooks Beast as our top choice. It is the most stable maximum cushion shoe we offer. It has a wide base with a straighter last compared to other models making it very stable. Alongside the geometry, the Beast is also equipped with the GTS Guiderail system that cups your heel in a firmer foam that prevents your foot from rolling inwards and outwards. The only downside you might find from the Beast is the firmer cushioning. While it is a maximum cushioned shoe, it has a firmer foam compared to some of the other maximum cushion models out there. This helps make the shoe the maximum support Beast that it is, at the cost of that plush feeling you would have in, say, a Hoka model.

Starting my running journey at the beginning of last year, I was looking for something with cushion and everyday mileage. I'm currently at the end of life for my third pair of V13's (Approx 1000 ks per pair) I'm about to dive into a pair of V14's and hoping they go as well as the V13's :)

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

Awesome! Super happy to hear! I think you'll enjoy the updated cushioning on the V14!

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

They're the best shoes I've ever run in.

Help PLEASE. What do you recommend for a 70 year old walker ?? Thanks.

These have been my go-to for several pairs now. I am an over-pronator who strikes my heel on the outside. Sounds like the changes have made them no longer a fit for me. Thoughts?

I use the kayano30 but i feel that the shoes is very big but same time it works amazing good for over pronation, the new 860 looks very nice , should i buy it?

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

If you want a lighter shoe with a lower stack height and don't mind a little less cushion, the 860 is a good option to check out. It will still help prevent your overpronation with the plate in the midsole and the dual-density foam, only in a more minimal package.

@khalilalz

Ай бұрын

@@RunMoore thanks , will check it out

@MegaYummyjelly

4 күн бұрын

I am also deciding on the kayano 30 and he 860 v14 for over pronation. Which of the two would you recommend for walking and standing all day? ​@@RunMoore

I'm confused. How does this compare to the Vongo v6? I feel like I'm the only person that responded well to the Vongo v5. The v6 doesn't feel like a stability shoe anymore, does the 860? Most importantly which one has the most medial support? Harder to find these days...

@RunMoore

3 күн бұрын

The 860 definitely feels more supportive than the new Vongo. While they both have the same technology, we have received more positive reception for the 860 over the Vongo.

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

The 860 is an absolute banger 😊

Are these good shoes for plantar fasciitis? Thank you if anyone has any information

@RunMoore

3 күн бұрын

This shoe would be fine for plantar fasciitis. Usually we recommend shoes with a higher arch profile for anyone that has inflammation in the plantar fascia because they give more support for your arch. A lot of times, stability shoes have a naturally higher arch profile compared to the neutral counterpart. Both the 880 and 860 would work, the 860 has a slight edge with the extra arch.

I wear old man shoes too lol not every day but certainly in My opinion line up

Vongo 6 or 860v14 ? For overall performance and stability

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

I find that the Vongo can be a bit too soft and sluggish feeling if you want the best performance. Otherwise, in terms of stability, they are both about even. The 860 has a slightly straighter last giving it a hint of extra inherent stability, but the technologies the two shoes use are identical.

I just want to know how comfy they’ll be while I drive my Corvette?

@RunMoore

3 күн бұрын

The 860v14 has plenty of cushioning for driving without taking away from the feel of the pedals. The lower stack height (advertised 38 mm/30 mm, measured approx.. 29 mm/21 mm) of the 860 gives you a nice ground feel with the added comfort from the FreshFoam X midsole.

Steve, does this shoe have a rocker? It doesn’t look like it does, but the website says “rocker”.

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

Yes it does 💪

It seems to be a 1080 v13! with better arch support

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

I have both. They're very different. The 1080 is a lot softer and doesn't have the same energy return or pop that of the 860. The toe box on the 1080 is way too narrow it causes me pain. The heel also feels odd on the 1080, plus they don't stop me from over pronating unlike the 860 which is the best shoe I've ever owned.

so this is good for supination

$140 is better than many of the other stability offerings out there.

As a supinator not for me. Bit great review 👍🏼

@PLANETWATERMELON

2 ай бұрын

True. I would look at the Vongo from NB or the 880 from NB. I personally think the 880 is a really great shoe. If you want MAX cushioning from NB I have a lot of customers who like the 840 from NB and it's very well priced for the amount of cushioning at $140.

@mmjose76

2 ай бұрын

What would you recommend for supination?

@PLANETWATERMELON

2 ай бұрын

@@mmjose76 In the NB line up the ones I mentioned in my previous comment. The 880, Congo or for max cushioning the 840. 1080 is over priced since there is the 880 as it is so good and more stable than the 1080.

@JAKETHESNAKKE

Ай бұрын

@@PLANETWATERMELONdon’t you want max cushion for supination? The 880 is the least cushion one out of the lineup so not sure why you would recommend the 880?

@PLANETWATERMELON

Ай бұрын

@@JAKETHESNAKKE Great question. Not always. If the shoe is uber cushy and has a higher/thicker stack height that can result in more supination. Think of it like suspension in a car. Firmer suspension reduces foot...I mean car lean and rotation. Hope that helps. P.S. I have been fitting runners and professionally analyzing gait for over 25 years and have owned a run specialty shop for much of that time. Cheers!

The v13s were the first pair of running shoes I bought and I’m convinced they’re the reason I got insane knee pain. Still suffering months later despite stopping running. Stability shoes not for me

Not for me. This was always a favorite show. Waaaaayyyy too much pushing my foot over to the outside edge I’m a Brooks gal now

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear you found something that works. Brooks definitely has more lateral support for people who lean to the outer edge of their feet. Hope they are working well for you!

Ugh so upset they moved this to an 8mm drop, I need a 10 due to injury. It would’ve been perfect otherwise, especially with the plate extending further to the forefoot.

@RunMoore

Ай бұрын

Not just New Balance, but a lot of brands have been changing their shoes to an 8 mm drop. Asics is another big one where 3 of their main models, the Cumulus, Nimbus, and GT-2000 are all at 8 mm compared to the previous generation being at 10 mm. Brooks and Mizuno still have relatively higher heel drops in their flagship models. Both the Ghost from Brooks and Wave Rider from Mizuno still have the original 12 mm high heel drop.

@Echom4-kr5el

Ай бұрын

@@RunMoore the kayano 31 has been great in terms of stability and drop. I hope they don’t change that one!

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

How pedantic I'm sure 2mm won't make a difference enough to avoid the shoe altogether

@Echom4-kr5el

2 күн бұрын

@@addahandle-k8d I have post tib and it absolutely makes a difference for me right now. No need to be insulting. Some people need higher drop shoes for various reasons.

don't like the look, more v4s are the perfect shoe

Terrible review. You said nothing about the firmness of the midsole, how the midsole is designed, whether it is as supporive as the prior version, arch support, what the pronation features are, etc.

@leerussell451

12 күн бұрын

We look forward to your in depth review

@Omar_Little

5 күн бұрын

Are you deaf? He explicitly discussed the pronation features and how it's unsuitable for under pronator

@addahandle-k8d

2 күн бұрын

I thought it was a great review. He answered some of the things I was wondering even if he didn't for you. Which doesn't make it terrible. Get off your high horse mate!