Michael Brooks is incredible. "I'm going to start living my life like Sam Harris and tell my girlfriend that this other woman I'm with is just a thought experiment and that she doesn't understand my work". Just brilliant and hilarious. RIP brother

@yojimbobaggins4537

3 жыл бұрын

I really miss his wit right now

@reallydoe2052

2 жыл бұрын

@@gdoublell1002 sexist

@kayrow

8 ай бұрын

😂😂 he is so good. ❤😢

I think the caller is actually of the heriditary Kermit/Peterson family.

Harris did say that torture should be illegal. Than he said that the government should torture people anyway, because "sometimes it's moral to break the law."

@modelmajorpita

8 жыл бұрын

***** Not the point. When you say that it is moral to torture someone and moral to break the law in the same paragraph, you can't hide behind saying that torture should be illegal to avoid admitting you advocate human rights violations and war crimes.

@modelmajorpita

8 жыл бұрын

Are you actually a Sam Harris multi? You not only repeat his failed argument in favor of war crimes, you even respond as if I was addressing you instead of him.

@modelmajorpita

8 жыл бұрын

***** "I've given you a great example of a thought experiment in which torture would be justified, and you have no counter-argument." You already responded to my counter argument: torture doesn't work, does not give useful info, and so is completely useless in a ticking time bomb scenario. "As a national policy? No, of course not. As a private actor? Yep." Oh, right, you're one of those nutjobs. It's wrong for the *government* to torture people, but individuals should be allowed to do whatever they want.

@modelmajorpita

8 жыл бұрын

***** So torture is morally justified because it will make you feel better, even if it does nothing to save lives? The important thing is to inflict pain and suffering on those you disagree with, right fascist?

@ElectricQualia

4 жыл бұрын

so basically you aren't approving of torture for any reason except that it feels good to torture bad ppl? by your logic then we should bring back torture in prisons cause hey they deserve it.

The caller used the same silly debate tactics of Sam Harris

Why do people even care about Sam Harris so much?

@romperstompist

8 жыл бұрын

+Alexander Rowe He's not a pc leftist, and the pc leftists lie and talk shit about him constantly for this.

@alexanderrowe3676

8 жыл бұрын

But it seems to me that he always just falls back on the idea that people don't understand his work rather than actually debating his ideas.

@romperstompist

8 жыл бұрын

Alexander Rowe That's because thats what happens. These people either don't understand because they are so ridiculously inept (Ben Affleck) or they take the things he says and purposefully lie and distort his views (Reza Aslan). Then all the people in the media that want a nice juicy controversial piece about a famous person and bigotry, or want to push a certain kind of narrative, have those dishonest people and others on to repeat the bullshit.

@drransom01

6 жыл бұрын

Cuz he's an "intellectual"

@Quantumoon

6 жыл бұрын

Nathan Groenevelt People seem more interested in following who they perceive to be an intellectual than actually learning anything themselves

Sam Harris is in the business of promoting Sam Harris.

@willdenham

5 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have summed it up better.

His voice was shaking from anger. And he tells the host to calm down a bit, lol

Harris obviously means a lot of these people on the internet. I've never met a Harris fan outiside the internet, but here, they're presence is strong. Whatever he's doing is resonating very strongly with them. The emotional response to any criticism of Harris is very strong.

@goaliedude32

6 жыл бұрын

I've been following Sam's work for 5 years ish. I haven't had an emotional response to any "criticisms" of his work. Mostly because I've been practicing emotional intelligence and I haven't even heard a good criticism of a topic Sam has written about.

@MegaTouchy

5 жыл бұрын

goaliedude32 Do you not think his views promote Islamophobia?

@goaliedude32

4 жыл бұрын

@alugwin Good one. Very productive

@goaliedude32

4 жыл бұрын

@@MegaTouchy I dont think a single thing he says promotes bigoted views in the least bit. Can you give one example that you can think of where you think Sam promotes some kind of bigoted view?

@MegaTouchy

4 жыл бұрын

@@goaliedude32 "We are war with Islam." "We should profile Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim, and we should be honest about it." His whole schtick is bashing religion, which is excellent, but he often strays into territory that, maybe unknowingly, encourages Islamophobia--or just flat racism.

Charlatan was the right word to describe Sam Harris.

@CROMWELLentertainment

6 жыл бұрын

Furtherest possible description of what Sam Harris actually is.

@scrobag1

6 жыл бұрын

Because you do not agree with his worldview. I bet your worldview is bible based.

@brianremington6049

5 жыл бұрын

How does being a neurosurgeon give your religious opinion extra weight? Has he operated on so many religious neurons it’s infected his own neurons - sort of a spidermanian principle of physical morality?

Why is anyone a Sam Harris follower anyways?

@mr5jr

4 жыл бұрын

Because he is revered as the Best Atheist debater/Most intelligent atheist.

This is hilarious. I wish I had discovered Sam Seder YEARS ago.

@Matt-jw2yo

4 жыл бұрын

I literally has his name on screen for the entire video and you spelt it wrong...

@jayzonmeztdagh

4 жыл бұрын

@@Matt-jw2yo 1.) Whoops. 2.) Thanks for letting me know. 2 year's later.

@poops9o9

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayzonmeztdagh 😂

@blaireofhylia1572

3 жыл бұрын

You did

@jayzonmeztdagh

3 жыл бұрын

@@blaireofhylia1572 I did . . . ?

I will miss Micheal's uproarious laughter in the background :'(.

I think the most poignant indictment of Sam Harris' legacy is that his avid readers and loyal fans have a much easier time discussing what he's "falsely" accused of saying than what he actually is saying. I wonder how this can possibly contribute to informing the public or advancing debate.

"What about the ticking time bomb scenario? Give a valid reason not to torture there!" Ok. Torture doesn't work, so violating someone's human rights will do nothing to resolve the situation. All you've done is needlessly committed a war crime and proved that you lack the moral high ground. Gimme my money.

Can you imagine what it was like being Sam Harris' thesis adviser? Somebody who's "misinterpreted" all the time? LOL.

I'm dead. "This other girl with me is a Thot Experiment" XD

“This must be what it’s like if you criticize Justin Bieber.” 🤣 lmfao!!!

I miss Michael so fucking much

@jessew7565

Жыл бұрын

Man I still feel this

This guy has textbook "pedant voice." For sure.

As another commenter has said, if he was only doing a thought experiment and wasn't trying to purposely upset people then it would have been *very* easy. All he would have to do is say "Of course for us in the real world my actual position is ...". A simple caveat to explain his actual position right before or after his "thought" experiment could have helped prevent "misunderstandings". If a lot of people misinterpret your meaning then the burden falls on you to communicate more effectively.

@emild1978

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Taylor Exactly my thought. That is why Neil deGrasse Tyson is such a celebrity and well viewed not because is the smartest one, is because he also knows to explain science in simple terms. He is a great communicator and a great help to real world. Harris on the other hand he might be smart but if people are misunderstanding your statements then you do more harm then good.

I was into Sam Harris for a long time. He is a great speaker and is very persuasive. However, when you look past the way he uses language, he rarely makes any great points or offers any new ideas. Many of the things he says are just obvious, and I find his logic to be flawed at times. He's still fun to listen to on occasion, however.

Why is this guy so confrontational/angry?

@Pameliux23

4 жыл бұрын

BlessedMelinatedMischeifMaker cause they’ve been criticizing his demigod maybe?

Honestly thought Sam Harris was the guy from Night at the Museum or whatever that movie was called

These guys are all Jordan Peterson followers now.

I love how former extreme religious people discover Sam Harris and replace their religion with Sam Harris(PBUH) worship. Please, PLEASE expand your worldview. I agree with Sam Harris on religions across the board, but his policy positions/writing is awful.

Sam Harris fanboys unite''

2:45 Michael's impression reminds of his Chris Christie impression 😂

I miss Michael!!!

that last part killed me lololol

What is so disturbing is this caller seems to not think for himself. Why does he want to defend Sam Harris? Why can't he just state his own opinions and debate them with Seder and the crew? It makes Sam Seder's mockery of the Sam Harris cultists and fanboys seem no joke... they really are cultists.

So the caller doesn't understand what a metaphor is.

Creationism and biblical liberalism are related. I'm from a Bible literalist church. And they always say that its God's hands and that the world isn't going to end in any other way than what exactly what the Bible says.

Sam Harris is full of ship and is not idol or icon.

Wtf is a "new atheist"?

@StreamTech1

8 жыл бұрын

+Shkotay D An atheist who has the courage of their conviction and are outspoken about what they believe (or don't believe in this case).

@Hunter85792

8 жыл бұрын

+Shkotay D Generally an atheist who is also a bigot. There are some who are decent human beings though like the Atheist Experience.

@StreamTech1

8 жыл бұрын

+Freenix Yeah white-supremacist war-mongering right-winger bigots like Lawrence Krauss, Daniel Dennet, Penn Jillette, Michel Onfray, Dan Barker, Victor J. Stenger etc who spend their careers preaching science and opposing religious dogma. How bigoted of them.

@johnydiala2492

8 жыл бұрын

+Freenix I don't think that's true. There are many moderate new atheists, like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett. I'm even hesitant to invoke the word "bigot" when describing Hitchens or Harris, though their fairly strong opinions on Islam undoubtedly contribute to prejudice against Muslims. The main problem is their support for a hawkish foreign policy and excessive state power at home.

@shkotayd9749

8 жыл бұрын

Well, in all these definitions, "new atheist" still makes zero sense, unless you are literally a "new" atheist I suppose. I suggest you all read Sam Harris' quote on what atheism actually is, and then you will stop sticking all these extra things onto it. “In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.” In this case Freenix your definition of a "bigot" is an odd one to say the least xD

From Christain fundamentalism to Sam neoconism great improvement but still didn't or don't want to study Islam and passionately hate Muslims that one common theme with many New Athiest movement

My problem with "New atheism" is this: what's wrong with atheism? Why do we need a "new" version? I'm an atheist. I don't believe in an existential god character. That's it. "New atheism" "atheism plus" etc. are just superfluous. It's just adding baggage to something that's currently very simple. Don't become denominational like religion has. It's simple, atheist = doesn't believe in a god. Period. End of sentence, full stop.

I'm really sad that I didn't learn about Michael Brooks until after we lost Michael Brooks.

Sam Harris was the reason I stopped being a New Atheist. Well, him and the 200th hour of New Atheist debate I watched when I realised that Dicky Dawkins and co had very weak, immobile talking points they relied on over and over without room for deep analysis.

@reallydoe2052

Жыл бұрын

Link?

Lol, I remember the "perfect weapons" argument. I was like: :rolleyes:... if the world had weapons like that, it would be a very different place indeed. Probably a dystopia where whoever had them eliminated anyone who was a threat to the status quo, assassinated world leaders they didn't like, etc.. It's not just gonna be all nice and lovely because the U.S. have them.

I just love people like this caller. Went from being a fundamentalist Christian to being a militant atheist. Reminds of those communists who went from being communists to staunch conservatives (some paleo-, others neo-). No sense of moderation.

Lmao Michael at the end though 😂

Greenwald has never misquoted Harris. That´s a good one.

Everyone wants a conversation.

I like to listen to Sam Seeder destroying Idiots..! It's like seeing Mike Tyson boxing random Dudes....

its so funny how this guy thinks hes winning

People like Sam Harris and this guy remind me of Christopher Hitchens and his stand on the war in Iraq to which FOXNEWS loved him but his atheism and support of Obama in 2008 changed their views which is what people like Harris will probably go through.

What's with the passive aggressive use of apostrophes??

Ugh, and you thought the man himself was insufferable until you talked to this minion. At least the minion has the balls to call in and debate with you though. Harris never would.

Caller still sounds like he's a fundamentalist!

@angelicacharm5383

4 жыл бұрын

Is that why all these Sam Harris fans are so... well, fanatical? Are they all just de-converted fundamentalists who have taken their faith in and zeal for Christ and placed it this extremely boring atheist dude who pointed out some inconsistencies in their formerly staunchly-held beliefs?

That background makes me dizzy.

You just made my point for me if I can just get it out.. No offence. Lol

What in the world is a "New Atheist" lol

@yashaouchan

8 жыл бұрын

+Kevin L No it's not. WTF did you get that idea?

@yashaouchan

8 жыл бұрын

***** I think Sam H has some very good points. By no means is he perfect.

@Smiles2U4Ever

8 жыл бұрын

+Thiago Santos New atheists are interested in portraying the bad ideas associated with religion and how those ideas do more harm than good. New atheists are not interested in what you specifically believe in. You can believe in the sky daddy all you want, but they want to make clear of those ideas within in a specific religion that influences violence, hatred, ingnorance, etc., that in the world causes harm and intolerance of other people who do not believe just as they do. The objective of the New Atheist is to create more tolerance in the world. As an atheist myself I do not hate religion nor do I think you should give up your convictions, but if your convictions hold intolerant and/or harmful views/ideas toward others then those specific religious ideas are bad. We can all agree that many ideas within any specific text hold some rather good priniciples to live by. Those are good ideas. But again, there are some bad ideas within various religions that inspire hate and violence. It's important to recognize these differences and make people aware of them. We are not interested in taking your religion away.

@elizabethathisayamany7674

7 жыл бұрын

Smiles2U4Ever - Why is it that New Atheist doesn't go after Jewish people. That's because the New Atheist prophets are all Jews. "The objective of New Atheist is to create more tolerance in the world". Strong bullshit here but lets see what prophet Harris says. "Some propositions have become so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill those who have such beliefs. Prophet Harris advocate the genocide of Muslims here. "We are not interested in taking your religion away". Another strong bullshit here but I wonder what the prophets of New Atheist says. "If i have a magic wand, i'll ban religion over rape". Nice bullshit though.

How the hell did he ever get his degree if his writing is so bad that it keeps getting misinterpreted.q

0:37 turn on subtitles. Thank me later.

@bassplayer8815

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks I've read about it too

@thepolticalone961

4 жыл бұрын

KZread...

correlezation

Yawn

I didn’t know Sam Harris was all…those things. This displeases me.

You are to Harris what Galloway was to Hitchens

Correlation does not equal causation

I'm only commenting to bring the total comments to 666.

"Do you play chess?"Ha ha

@romperstompist

8 жыл бұрын

+Richard Harrow Why is that funny?

@TheLockon00

8 жыл бұрын

Артём Водоватов It's a reference to a really obnoxious debate Seder had with this one Libertarian professor.

@romperstompist

8 жыл бұрын

Richard Harrow Ah ok thanks.

Why does every crazy caller not know how to articulate any of their ideas other than saying they don’t believe anything. You can’t debate someone who already has chosen to believe anything you say.

I can't stop imagine Sam Harris listening to this and foaming from his mouth.... LMAO

if you are interested in atheism read some intro to philosophy and/or philosophy of religion. Its where the serious argument and discussion is. Sam Harris is not respected by any serious academic philosophy field. just saying #benstiller

I'm a new atheist which means I'm more intelligent than any religious person

Jesus Christ! That caller was all over the place with his illogical arguments! Another devoted Harris cultist with a lot of time on his hands.

3:18 LOL

you can do it, its all right there. But you are probably the smart guy for people who don't know shit, which tricks you into thinking that you are actually sort of smart

2:37 Not a Christian, but the world generally does fix things when they are getting bad. Doesn't debunk that particular form of christian world view at all? e.g Renewable energy sector has doubled in the last couple of years.

Correlization is when correlation equals causation

Why is there mocking laughter in the background all the time?

A call is a conversation, within your radio show, but it is still a conversation. If you don't want a conversation then don't entertain callers, simple as that.

Jesus Christ, are ALL Sam Harris adherents as arrogant as he is? People like this give athesists a bad name.

"the only thing that currently stands between us and the roiling oceans of muslim unreason is a wall of tyranny and human rights abuses that we have helped to erect." (the end of faith, p.132) pretty much everything you need to know about the guy.

@jimmyart007

8 жыл бұрын

Perhaps one requires the rest of the statement in order to actually avoid ceaselessly beating a strawman: 'There is no doubt that out collusion with Muslim tyrants - in Iraq, Syria, Algeria, Iran, Egypt, and elsewhere - has been despicable. We have done nothing to discourage the mistreatment and outright slaughter of tens of thousands of Muslims by their own regimes - regimes that, in many cases, we helped bring to power. Our failure to support the Shiite uprising in southern Iraq in 1991, which we encouraged, surely ranks among the most unethical and consequential foreign policy blunders of recent decades. But our culpability on this front must be bracketed by the understanding that were democracy to suddenly come to these countries, it would be little more than a gangplank to theocracy. There does not seem to anything within the principles of Islam by which to resist the slide into sharia (Islamic law), while there is everything to encourage it. This is a terrible truth that we have to face: the only thing that currently stands between us and the roiling oceans of Muslim unreason is a wall of tyranny and human rights abuses that we have helped to erect. This situation must be remedied, but we cannot merely force Muslim dictators from power and open the polls. It would be like opening the polls to the Christians of the fourteenth century.' I would venture to suggest that both yourself and this Mr. Seder would rather mindlessly chide and denounce someone who is actually willing to think seriously about the topic at hand than actually contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way. I might also add that as far as intellectual honesty goes, I'm not so much questioning your collective integrity as denying its existence.

@Zatzzo

8 жыл бұрын

so he doesn't want democracy in mulsim countries. wow, you really made him look good here (and he looked so good already) ...

@jimmyart007

8 жыл бұрын

Zatzzo I find it difficult to believe that that is what you actually took from the statement, my apologies if English is not your first language, but allow me to elaborate. The above quote doesn't proffer a dogmatic solution in the way you might wish it to, but merely outlines an issue. If anything it suggests that 'forcing' the Muslim countries to adopt secular democracy _from the outside_ is doomed to failure, and recent history should indicate that this is true. Rather, what the West should be doing instead of invading countries on a whim is empowering the voices of moderation and rationality in the Muslim world so that they can achieve their own reformation, their own renaissance. By allowing the most extreme form of Islamism to be taken as the norm we are made guilty twice: firstly by succumbing to the racism of low expectations (the 'oh they can't do better so we must defend how they are now'), and secondly by throwing our own hard-fought freedoms in the gutter simply to not appear too critical, or god forbid, 'Islamophobic'. From what I gather you either do not care enough to see the distinction or are willfully maintaining your ignorance so as to malign those who do. In either instance, you do a disservice to your brothers and sisters on every side.

@Zatzzo

8 жыл бұрын

please stop boring me

@jimmyart007

8 жыл бұрын

Zatzzo Don't take part in the conversation then if you have nothing to say, and leave it to those who do without bitching about them.

Sam's logic is that in a life or death situation, we may have to torture the guy. But if the guy's that willing, what are the chances he'll spill if he's awaiting paradise? If anyone knows anything about these groups, they train their members to prepare for all manner of treatment.

Im not really well enough informed on this particular subject to be on either side. But the caller has a point. In this instance Sam Seder did employ some of the bullying tactics Bill O'reailly likes to use.

@RoninDave

8 жыл бұрын

+MaMastoast and the caller used the Hannity approach of not letting the person answer by constantly interrupting

@MaMastoast

8 жыл бұрын

Ronin Dave I didn't get that impression at all. Sure he did it some times, but not really any more than Sam did. On top of that Sam uses a lot of mocking and power plays to bully the caller, which just leads to agression.

@a1ntcry1noveru

8 жыл бұрын

+MaMastoast what are you talking about, the guy wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise, on his own damn show, making smartass remarks

@MaMastoast

8 жыл бұрын

a1ntcry1noveru Did we watch the same interview?

@a1ntcry1noveru

8 жыл бұрын

MaMastoast clearly we didn't

Sam Seder does talk over his callers a lot.

@gunslingerSlade

3 жыл бұрын

Its usually when they are rambling nonsensically about something irrelevant

just the empty arguments, intimidating laughter, cutting the caller off who makes points...I dont have to write anything more, that proves to me that these guys are not really in the business of ideas just slander and smearing

@karljohn2145

8 жыл бұрын

+Even Skaranger why bother debating Sam Harrisbots. more fun debating Christian righties

just another example of someone seriously misunderstanding or at least mis stating Mr harris' views.

sam vs sam

Oh Sam...you are so sensitive. LMAO ;-) *"They treat women like chattel!"*

Its not that no one understands him. There are plenty of people who understand him and support him. However Harris himself is not someone who is willing to say under NO circumstances is military actions warranted. He is also quite critical of Islam. There are many on the left now whom somehow think that if you criticize Islam you somehow want to demonize all Muslims as well as support endless military involvement which a neo con would. Any threat is perceived with this irrational bias just like people who are right wing have their biases so do people on the left. But we can easily end this whole thing now by acknowledging Sam is pro intervention (of some kind) but not endless war Why not talk to Harris yourself. Everyone seems to be so good at interpreting him and "reading between the lines" You say one the one hand that he is misinterpreted by everyone. and on the other hand admit you are dismissing what he is ACTUALLY saying and insisting he must mean something else. That's a huge contradiction which I am sure will continue to be deliberately made no matter how many times he has clarified his position. Has it occurred to you that people on the left just like people in the right CAN be deliberately biased and can also have biased agendas even against other people on the left if they think that its the "right thing to do"

4:44 Islam is a Western religion…

Funny!

why not educate people instead of humiliating them, the dude is clearly new to these issues, now you probably turned him into a alt righter

People who aren't familiar with Sam Harris should read his work and make their own judgments about him. As a progressive myself I'm personally very surprised by how he's being characterized by people on the left.

@adeelabbasi2811

5 жыл бұрын

no people shouldn't waste their time with neocon, an opportunist who rationalize nuking Muslims countries Sam days are numbered And boy I am excited for this man to song different song when it comes power structure changing in West and Muslims aren't on the receiving end and His fanbase see this man for what he is

@ElectricQualia

4 жыл бұрын

Bullshit

Even if I agree with him, I give a thumbs down because this host is too combative, smug and childish in his approach.

Lmfaoooo

I think Sam Seder is awesome. I think Sam Harris is awesome. That is all.

@ixc128

8 жыл бұрын

+Inannalu I second that!

@ixc128

8 жыл бұрын

knightofdreamz you just perfectly described yourself

@silat13

8 жыл бұрын

+knightofdreamz bullshit. Nothing Seder said was incorrect. And you were never a progressive.

@silat13

8 жыл бұрын

knightofdreamz Good for you being a Democratic socialist. I am one also.

@silat13

8 жыл бұрын

knightofdreamz What was yours? LOL I do not fear change.

Seeder seems to be getting a little embarrassingly defensive here, why waste so much time on Sam Harris anyways?

you guys really aren't smart enough to understand what Sam Harris is saying. You should try a little harder

I feel there is something/s unappealing about Seder. He's neither an easy listen nor an easy watch.

Ehmmmmmm.... I don't know why I am even subscribed to this channel anymore. There's no journalistic purpose being served here. Thanks for the fun in the past, it's time to move on.

Wow. I have seen more reasonable and fair argument from the Westboro Baptist Church and I'm not even exaggerating. All that was a stream of ad hominems and interruptions with some sanctimonious condescension thrown in. Sam Sedar makes Ann Coulter look like Socrates by comparison

12:51 Sam Harris advocates conversation of ideas. I would link to a direct quote, but we all know Sam Seder would just ignore it. But when Sam Harris, or anyone for that matter, speaks up about religious ideologous that stem from Islam, he/we are called Islamophobes. Just looks at how red in the face Sam gets in this video. Just like Billy boy when his only arugement is to shout "Shut Up!"

Sam Seder exposes himself in a hilarious way here. When confronted with logic he just gets upset and yells

It's actually quite fascinating to observe this phenomenon of people not getting Harris. I don't think he's perfect, but he's far from being a charlatan or a neoconservative. If you happen to be a rather cynical person and believe that people are really satisfied with being concerned exclusively with how things seem; having no real inclination to overcome their biases and get around their own egos to get closer to a more truthful mental model - well then I can understand why you would criticize Harris in this way and fundamentally mischaracterize his arguments. This would be a sensible response perhaps if most people were *actually* right wing religious demagogues or hawkish warmongers believing themselves to have the right of it without much self doubt (what a depressing state of affairs that would be...). On the other hand if you are the sort of person who reasons from first principles and is looking to reconcile inconsistencies in your model of reality first off and then inconsistencies with the models presented by others, Harris makes a lot of sense on the topics he discusses. Even in cases where he may actually come to the wrong conclusions given pragmatic grounds (he doesn't know everything, and in the foreign policy domain, he sometimes bites off more than he can chew) he is however seldom wrong in *principle*.... but perhaps that would seem meaninglessly abstract to this crew. The fact that they haven't even heard of the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy was telling; they also didn't seem to know that the ticking time bomb scenario depicted there has happened before. If you think thought experiments have nothing to do with reality, you simply don't understand what they are or their utility for getting at ethical truth. The only decoder items you need to understand Harris are your ears, an brain, but patience and a respect for logic and its utility really help. You would benefit from taking a philosophy course or two instead of treating discursive thought with such derision; it would do both you and your listeners a lot of good.

This always is a problem arguing with Sam Harris. Sam Harris is arguing that religion is at the core of these problems. Seder defends religion and it ends up unable to bridge the gap with Harris. He's taking it way too personally. Harris is out of Seder's league.

@magoo1950

6 жыл бұрын

Corina Amato i honestly don't know. The older I get, I notice how people break free of one prison only to quickly jump into another. If all religion disappeared tomorrow, would it would just be replaced by some other group thought system? Nationalism, communism, whatever flavor one prefers. As a species we seem to have a psychological need to be part of one group and to identify and find enemies in another group.

Sam Harris has a point and he's definitely not a charlatan but it seems all of his fans that have confronted Seider about it suck at arguing.

@ElectricQualia

4 жыл бұрын

PrecisionWrittens sam harris sucks at arguing thats why

This is exactly why I unsubscribed from Seder. so immature

@MagnesDrachen13

6 жыл бұрын

Alex Burgess I'm sure he went broke because of it. You were the backbone, you really were.