Yes it looks identical, yes its the same exact name, the changes they made seem nice and should benefit the rider but is it enough to make you want to jump from the p[previous model to this one, also really weird they have old Princeton peak 4550 with white industry hubs, they are the starting price point spec for those wheels, I would figure this price point would come with top of the the line evos, and a dt 180 hub

@ekm3820

Ай бұрын

What’s the weight of the frameset?

@Tarmaccyclocross

Ай бұрын

Stop talking cr@p

@febrianto7879

Ай бұрын

Ducati Panigale loot at same

You forgot to mention Pinarello will still be making the older Dogma F in rim brakes for years to come.

3:33 Sorry GC. It's Italian OWNED. But Chinese MADE!

@vodizzzle

Ай бұрын

At least they are painted in Italy in their “factory”😂

@savagepro9060

Ай бұрын

@@vodizzzle hahahaaaaa!

Apple and Pinarello are Fraternal Twins. Their upgraded versions are the same as the non-upgraded.

@petersouthernboy6327

Ай бұрын

LOL, and both are highly coveted in their respective markets - and that won’t change.

@speedsociety9177

Ай бұрын

I don't get why people need drastic changes from one gen to the next, change for changes sake does not make sense. Look at an iPhone from today vs 5 or 10 years ago and the changes are very significant.

@savagepro9060

Ай бұрын

@@speedsociety9177 OK, but why charge a fortune for microscopic changes? That’s greed!

@ariffau

Ай бұрын

Porsche does that with 911 as well. So does Spesh with their Tarmacs

@ariffau

Ай бұрын

@@savagepro9060it’s not greed. It’s nothing personal, it’s just business.

Made in China , which i'm fine with , it's where the carbon expertise is , but we have to be honest.

What I find funny is those cars driving passed are saying look at that guy playing with his new bike,not knowing that the bike probably cost 2 or 3 times as much as their cars 😂

@LaurentiusTriarius

Ай бұрын

Not sure about that in the age when a common civic is like 30k out of the dealer 😂

@87togabito

Ай бұрын

You’d be lucky for 30k, the car alone is probably that, and then you still have to add in the price for the certification needed to actually own a car. Tax aside, just owning A car would come to at least 70k here. A 16k bike is a drop in the bucket here lol

@Alonso-hj6uz

Ай бұрын

the cheapest car in my country costs 100k and you only own it for 10 years before you have to buy new car. Bicycle is cheap stuff

@yukiko_5051

Ай бұрын

Car's prices are also inflated today. What once was 30k, now it's 50k

@vodizzzle

Ай бұрын

What’s funny about that? 😅

Now all you have to do is ride it and compare it with the sl8 😀

How cool are you to plug other bike shops. You are a good man.

15 000.Absolutely ridiculous pricing.🤔

@shanewiseman5729

Ай бұрын

The chinese factory that made it probably also laughs at the price.

If Pinarello was Specialized, this bike would be S-never-Works!

the just did the same thing cervelo did with the S5 when the UCI changed up the rules. Just a revised dogman

as always your on top of bike knowledge

I’m actually howling 😂😂😂😂 because it looked like you stood that bike up in the middle of the street… “hit this bih if you wanna” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

Fuck this bike!!! Hit this shit hahahhaa

@CycoWarriorx

Ай бұрын

@@GCPerformance18 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hi GC performance Great video as always 👍 love the new dogma . The colour is killer ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ been a fan of the dogma since day one. Way out of my price range thou ☹️ 🚴‍♂️

Looks like the real weight is much heavier than their claimed weight

@christophertan3195

Ай бұрын

it's the paint job

Nothing that matters is changed, just littles tweaks that doesn’t matter for us normal cyclists…

@ardijanuar2036

Ай бұрын

This bike isn't for normal cyclist. This thing aimed for the pro that needs every single drop of advantage they could get from the bikes. And of course loaded wallet cyclist that wants experience what the pros are riding.

@ralvesco

Ай бұрын

@@ardijanuar2036 agreed. That’s why I don’t care about this bike.

Could easily pack a motor and a huge battery in there and nobody would know. They will definitely launch another motorized model called Dogma FRD. (Dogma for rich dentist).

It looks like it merge in with the asphalt, very cool

I’m still riding my F8 and love it !!

@krisbowditch827

Ай бұрын

I’m still on a f10 there’s no way I’m upgrading 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🚴👍

that colour is hot. I might get my $1200 Merida painted that colour.

6:47 wow nice shade from the sun

I'm not really impressed with the new dogma. Pinarello changed the carbon lay up, but weight reduction is minimum. Most of the weight saving is in the handlebar. Plus I don't like that the handlebar is now proprietary

What is the street pricing for an used F12 Rim brake frame size 50 or 51.5? Seems like F12 is the last frame that can be built with mechanical group.

Did they fix the M0ST stem that has been a four year issue in my Grevil that doesn't stay tight...

Painted in Italy, made in China. Probably a $1000 frame, with a $10,000 paint job. 😅

@christophertan3195

Ай бұрын

ignorant comment

Can you shave the top part of the steerer tube off so it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb?

Tarquins and Ruperts only!!. Unless of course you genuinely race!.

New bike Cortando o vento Iguais as espadas ninjas. Cada vez mais afiadas💡

Really happy I got the last true rim brake superbike

@ZwiftDude

Ай бұрын

Pinarello have confirmed they will still be making Rim brake model of the old Dogma F... tool.

@psnSupergrobi10

Ай бұрын

@@ZwiftDude yes great I have one??

Very nice

The front end is just weird, considering that bayonet forks exist to make things narrower without a non-round steerer. And very odd to increase the fork rake, in 2024, when we want deeper aero wheels.

I use a size 52cm, but with and today's standard, I use an XS frame, with a 40cm seat post and salle height is 190cm from the ground.....and 180mm crankarms. Oh! And stem is 190mm long too......with 30cm handlebar. Sick ultra fast position though.

Poor frame. It looks to have partially melted during shipment 😔

I wish they had Princeton WAKE 6560 evolution with the lightest hub setups instead of the PEAK with that price.

You”ll make a ton of money selling those

Hey GC. Do you know if it’s possible to use a Darimo cockpit with this bike since it uses a new oval steerer?

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

I am sure they will make one for it. But the old one will not

@Timtimzi

Ай бұрын

@@GCPerformance18 understandable. Looks like they would need to make a new compatible mold and base plate.

What is the price for a dura ace build?

Neat

...consume or retinue... The new F is a Fine evolution IMHO

prototype in Italy Pinarello factory mass production Still made in China and Taiwan there is no such thing as an "authentic" frame anymore rather pay for an OEM frame than buy from a distributor that you are paying 3x or even 4x times higher and still produces from the same factory! loooool!

Isn't the M40x the same carbon lay up as the Canyon Aeroad CFR?

@GCPerformance18

29 күн бұрын

I do not know to be honest, I think this is new to the market

Definitely going to be my next bike build, but I’m going with the new SRAM Rec groupset and the Wake 65/60 EVO wheels. Also Ceramic OSPW and BB. It’s a very nice looking bike.

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

gonna be sexy

did you drive to aventura just to film this? bike science doesn't have it yet?

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

yea no one had it yet except for them

Снова самый маленький размер эта какой 51.5?

I have the 2023Dogma F and I'm interested in the 2025 model. Not a bargun but when ever was the Pinarello brand considered a value bike.

Does anyone know where this extremely expensive Dogma F frame is made?

@vodizzzle

Ай бұрын

It’s China 😂❤

The BB looks likes it has a motor in it 😅 maybe that’s where the price comes from 😅😅 not a bike for me lol.. I’ll stick with my 2014 SSE.. Pete

@christophertan3195

Ай бұрын

No bike is for you LMAO

0:01 A Floridian High Priest performing an exorcism on a PURSE-zest Pinarello!

$16000 for a 6.8kg is hilarious

It makes me wonder, how specialized achieved the stiffness with very skinny bottom bracket compared to Pinarello. 🤯

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

I dont know but it feels great, it has to be about the layup and also the tubing construction but honestly it reacts to power great

Releases 2025 Dogma F: mentions they’ll continue the previous Gen Dogma F in rim brakes Back when they released previous Gen Dogma F: doesn’t mention there’s a rim brake version. At least they were quiet about it. I thought F12 was the last rim brake Dogma Pinarello made.

waiting for some team ineos guy to start yelling at you videoing the bike....

There's no more thru axle thread look how aero it is!! Meanwhile the thru axle has a big handle on the other side so your wheels are easy to steal and much less aero 😂😂😂

In the group rides I've been taking part in, there are a couple of guys with high end bikes that have noisy AF hubs. I hate it. It's annoying. The noise adds no performance benefit. If that noise is your thing stay out of group rides because you are distracting.

Hmm in my opinion Pinarello X looks better then dogma F

Colnago is the "Ferrari" of bicycles. Pinarello is a Dentist who drives a Maserati SUV.

@Edmond347

Ай бұрын

You clearly never owned one.

@vodizzzle

Ай бұрын

Pinarello are literally made in China 🇨🇳 … can’t compare this to a Ferrari

@Edmond347

Ай бұрын

@@vodizzzle You’re confusing concepts. Where it’s made and the quality of the make and ride are two different things. There are crappy things made in Italy as well. I also hear Ferraris are a nightmare to own and things break often. The Dogma may be made in China, but it’s a dream to ride, feel, look at, and own.

@ardijanuar2036

Ай бұрын

​@@vodizzzletoday ain't the pre 2000's era anymore where everything made in chinese is cheap utter crap.

@vodizzzle

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Edmond347 I’m not confusing concepts. Ferraris are not made in China and just the thought is ridiculous. If a Chinese made Pinarello is a dream for you to own , good for you they surely ride amazing.

Same old same old, one for the all the gear no idea mob

Same Dogma F, no real changes.

So light.......now, do what was done in the 90s, when the seat post wasn't 66cm long and your saddle isn't 170cm from the ground.

I am still blown away with the 13 pounds sl8 ñ. Hard to beat

Pinnarello is the Ferrari of bikes in terms of cache and styling and desirability

These bottle cages are criminally hideous 😮

Just no. Who the hell upgrades super bikes yearly? Bezos and his ilk?

Italian made ? are you sure more likely China made :)

@jamesmckenzie3532

Ай бұрын

Pinarello stated they are moving frame manufacturing back to Italy due to supply issues. It may be complete...

Very “winspacey”…

😂😂😂$16,500! No Thanks! I'm just gonna buy 4 good bikes for that RIDICULOUS price! 😂😂😂

@Edmond347

Ай бұрын

Have you owned one? I have owned the F10 and now the F. I would not swap it for 10 "good" bikes, whatever that means. This is a special bike. You can laugh all you want. I'm laughing when I ride it because I'm so happy.

@draugmithrin

Ай бұрын

@@Edmond347 I always wonder does anyone watching these vids actually buy and ride them? Ride on!

@Edmond347

Ай бұрын

They do, but the entire cycling industry is ripping people off, from socks to shoes to bibs and jerseys to frames. There is absolutely no legitimate reason to charge $400 for a pair of spandex bibs like Assos do. I don't care how much R&D goes into wicking sweat off my balls. It's absurd. They can do that because the target customer is the middle-aged well-off male with cash to burn. So they milk him every step of the way. I am the quintessential sucker, but I do refuse to pay the exorbitant prices for clothing and shop sales only or buy at a discount. But bikes are harder to get on sale so I have paid the MSRP for my bikes. It's worth it for me, but I do admit it's bullshit. For now, the cost-benefit ratio works for me. For now.

@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887

Ай бұрын

No normal sensible person buys these bikes @ £14k..,its better you custom build your own bike which i guarantee will be alot better & for a fraction of these obscene prices.

@Edmond347

Ай бұрын

@@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887 Completely disagree. It’s all relative. You can say the same thing about Bugattis and Ferraris. If you can afford it, there is nothing insensible about it. Is paying $$ for a diamond or a painting sensible? It’s all relative and dependent on the person. Also, nonsense about building a cheaper custom bike. If you factor in top shelf components, it will be more expensive, not cheaper. Bespoke carbon fiber frame? WTF are you talking about?

409mm chain stay is a bit long and increased front fork rake

Please compare it with SL8. Thanks a lot!

0:01 this tremor is the curse of GCN presenters!

More-than-SWorks money for (IMO) one of the ugliest frames on the market. Also, made in Asia. It doesn't bother me, after all all the best bikes are made in Asia... but Pinarello draping Italian flags around this frame bugs me.

Bike design is stagnating again. After forcing disc brakes and integrated everything they seem to be running out of ideas, no wonder they are pushing for ebikes so hard now.

@danieloutzen9802

Ай бұрын

Blame the UCI

@yukiko_5051

Ай бұрын

Uci should lift the ban of weird geometry. I want to see modern Lotus bike

The things Cicli pinarello and Ferrari have in common; Italia? Price? Cheating? Seems alright 😂

ugliest seatpost in the world combined with 4th tier wheels and plastic bottle cages.

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

Yea I’m really bummed at the wheels for that price

Beautiful paint job but that bottom bracket area is just plain ugly. Would love to see a head to head comparison between this and a Tarmac SL8.

Iths one bicycle for Donal trump

@GCPerformance18

26 күн бұрын

hahahah or every miami rider out there

Эта модель стала одноразовой. Не дай бог у тебя будут проблемы с дропаутами где устанавливаются колёса или ты слижешь резьбу то всё выкинь раму нафиг и покупай новую

Ugly frame

@petersouthernboy6327

Ай бұрын

Pinnarello never intended this bike for you.

@decoherence926

Ай бұрын

@@petersouthernboy6327 correct, it's intended for blind people.

@petersouthernboy6327

Ай бұрын

@@decoherence926 rich blind people

Imagine paying 15k for this gravel bike lol. I bet it rides like a noodle. I just bought a 2012 Trek Madone rim brake for $600 last month. Its 15lbs and thats with aluminum wheels. Ride is stiff and flys up the climbs.

@decoherence926

Ай бұрын

cool story bro..

@joed7185

Ай бұрын

@@decoherence926 You seem like the type of person who thinks Pinarello bike are made in Italy.

Pinorelo made not beautiful frames. This is just my opinion 😊. I think the most gorgeous frame on Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL7.

Shut up and take my money 💰

GC, do you think it's better than the Sworks?

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

That’s biased. I like the sworks

@Vinch22

Ай бұрын

@@GCPerformance18 me too 🤩

Stop spouting trash. I can categorically guarantee you beyond all doubt that the pinarello carbon frames are made in xiamen, china. Not Italy.

@GCPerformance18

Ай бұрын

I’m reading what the bike says and what’s on there from there company.