PINARELLO DOGMA F anyday... the most special of all of them. I have 3 of them.

Absolutely the Pinarello, no doubt about it. But only if it has campagnolo. A dream bike for me

That pinarello with campag ❤❤❤

I own a Pinarello F12, the bike is flat out fast and handles like nothing else. All these bikes are fine machines, for me I love the Pinarello looks all the way back the Think 2. You strip off the paint (maybe not the Cervélo in this group) and it is difficult to tell them apart. That will never be the case with Pinarello.

@mohamadjamil3164

11 ай бұрын

For me, the pinarello and sl7 stand out. They just look amazing. Am waiting for the new tarmac to make it mine (conditional that they have nice colors) if not, then white pinarello

@chrisscanlon3717

6 ай бұрын

I can get the same bike from the same factory without the name painted on it for 500 bucks. They are all made in CHINA at the same place! 😂😂

@saltlake6577

4 ай бұрын

@@chrisscanlon3717 There‘s a reason why people like you don‘t get it. It‘s not on the bike, it‘s on the person. As simple as that!

Pinarello Dogma F would be my choice.

The video is superb and much needed for those who would like to buy a new frame and did not have the opportunity to try any of those bikes. Let me say that you have done a wonderful job on this one and great summary. I follow you and your channel and would like to see more nice and creative content that caters for the riders needs

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

Cheers! Means a lot, glad you enjoyed

I don’t even ride road & thoroughly enjoyed this video. Well done!

Really good to see objective ride reviews and comparisons with actual criticisms.

Thanks, one of the honest reviews about superbikes!

Fantastic review!

Truth @14:36. I was really torn on the F and S7, ended going for an F with CSR. Couldn’t stand the grouppo so ended up rebuilding it with a 1 x system sram, now l love it. Reality is love to ride what l build, this being number 26 in a long line of beautiful and purposeful machines. The F has been my biggest joy to date.

it wasn't long ago that 28mm tyres were regarded as super wide, massive, gigantic and only used in winter rides. I ditched 25mm for 28mm back around 2017. The difference in comfort was easily noticable and being more comfortable especially on longer rides led to better performance too.

@gregmorrison7320

11 ай бұрын

I did the same and managed to convince a few friends, however still encountered riders that thought 23mm were the way to go lol.

@mochno1

11 ай бұрын

I only race on 26 :-) but all training is on 28 or even 42 gravel. Old budy vote for comfort

@pierrex3226

11 ай бұрын

My next build has 32C. I've ridden 28 and 32 back to back: 32 all day every day :). I'm about 82kg though, so mileage may vary

I've been enjoying my FRM - came with a techno holistic fitting - perfect ride !

The Colnago just looks so cool but I think the S5 is the best bike here but overall I whould go for the R5 as my favorite bike

Great video. Sl7 for me. If my ego was talking then its the dogma. 😊

Never ridden the S5, but like the Colnago best of the others. Great ride - quite comfortable, but very lively.

Great video! But would love to see more videos of some other brands like Scott, Bianchi, giant and lapierre. Seen so many videos of sl7s and Pinarello now.

@dionisiuskusuma1462

11 ай бұрын

Don't forget Wilier and De Rosa. I rarely see cycling channels covering those brands

@iMadrid11

11 ай бұрын

It all depends if the brands has the marketing budget to spend to get it featured.

@maxbucky24

11 ай бұрын

@@dionisiuskusuma1462 yea very true

@s23bho38

11 ай бұрын

All one percenters. Sick with envy! 😂

Pina f is beautiful…that color is possibly the worst currently on offer and the paint looks amazing in real life.. love The SL7 too.. although complete Dura Ace bike is £800 more than the Dogma.. cervelo cool but too ‘aero’ for me.. frankly any of us would be happy with any of them! It’s. Brand / style thing.. subjective and emotive.. great vid

You can get a Pinarello F5 with 105 di2 for the price of a Dogma F frame. Yes it is lower grade carbon but do you need Dogma levels? I bought the F7 with Ultegra Di2 and upgraded the wheels to Zipp 404 and the tires to Vittoria Corsa Pro's. In total the bike costs about 7300 like this if you can get a good deal. With Assioma power meter pedals, two elite bottle cages and camelbak bottles, garmin mount and garmin 840 the bikes comes in complete at 8.5 kilos. Not heavy by no means. Take out the pedals and all other stuff easily a 7.5 kilo bike. So the new F series from Pinarello is the value for money bike. It is slightly cheaper than a non s-works sl7 with similar equipment and any s5 by a large margin.

@chuckd2435

2 ай бұрын

I could get similar performance from an Infiniti but i want to drive a Porsche. Same reason i'm pickup up the "F" on Saturday. Because i WANT it, not cuz i need it.

Pinarello is like a ferrari of bike, looks so futuristic and manly and the Cervelo is like the most fancy one in look. I pick both Cervelo and Pinarello

The Tarmac for me. Since I already ride Specialized, I'd have to get all new kit which would increase the price of the others...LOL.

Excellent video and highlighting the pro and cons of each bike. BTW which bike stand is that, under the Colnago? Thanks in advance

I just brought f pinarello nice bike Chinese love it

I would go for Pinarello.

The CERVELO S5 cockpit was not designed to cheat the wind it was a way the engineers came up with the solution of running mechanical cables and reducing the bends.

@zebyzanaida4567

8 ай бұрын

Its true😂 the host did not know what he is talking about

I wouldn’t mind just having a little walk on part like “Stu” did! Great Video, really enjoy this type of content. Keep up the good work!

Aero and lightweight started with the Cervelo SLC-SL in 2006... That bike is still faster than most "all round" frames

2023 France Biking Race Start tonight my time 🚴🎉❤😎! Many adorable bikes❤ on earth 🌍

Great review. I have the S5 and S-Works SL7 and both are incredible. One not mentioned is the R5 that I have which is awesome as well.

@theworkethic

5 ай бұрын

I think the S5 and the S-Works are best of the 4 in this video.

@lennytellez8589

2 ай бұрын

I have the s5 as well and I’m actually liking I to the sl8 or the R5… which do you prefer between those 2? The s5 can’t climb, but it’s fast as fuckkkkkkk So I want a climbing fast home Thanks

Team Wanty, Cube Litening Aero C:68X! After being a Canyon fan for a decade I got a Cube (because Cube finally decided to do proper paint jobs). I wanted an Aeroad, but Canyon could not deliver. I am really amazed what the Cube can do, some say it is up there with the Aeroad, Pride 2, Aerfast 4, and I agree. Nice side affect, I have money left for a second high end bike 👍

@LeeLee-fi7mx

11 ай бұрын

Nice bike! have a 2017 cube litening c68 slt disc. Not very aero compared to today's aero bikes but it's very light weight. Would love to upgrade to the new cube litening air.

Grand advice

Yes, you can run 32 tires on the Pinarello. I run 30’s on my Dogma.

SL7 and Colnago❤

I think I'd go with something like Scott Foil or Merida Reacto. If I only had to go with one of 4 bikes featured in the video, then the choice would be Dogma. They are all aero frames that have higher stack than usual, so chances are you'll be more comfortable in the aero hoods position.

As someone who cannot afford these kind of bikes, it makes me appreciate the advancement of technologies in bicycles.

Pinarello Dogma ✅

Everyone runs S so to standout the Pinarello is the one to have!

All beautiful

I will probably pick the Pinarello because it looks different. I will not pick the Specialized S-Works because it is too common of a bike. Plus the Specialized bikes value will do a nose dive after you take it out of the shop.

I will take the BMC slr 01

CERVELO .. Because WOUT is the BEST

im an S5 owner, but id loved to get the Sworks SI7 too... Where are Factor and Bianchi?

Dogma F for me.

BMC of course !!! 😊

I love the 'ordinary' look of the Colnago! That's why I ride the V3!

@mctrials23

10 ай бұрын

Same here. Its just a lovely looking bike in that paint job. The pinarello is just straight up ugly. Looks like a child tried to design something edgy looking. SL7 looks nice as well.

Dogma and Tarmac

What about the new Cannondale Supersix EVO LAB71?

what is your swork size ? and what size are you?

S5 I just like the way cervelo look, plus I prefer to go fast mountain rides suck

here's hoping for some new bike launches at the TdF

They all look alike to me. I guess best designs converge to the best design.

Would have been the S5 but I already have the 2021 model. I’m guessing there will be an SL8 at some point so I’ll wait for that.

i like how you said premium bikes and not the best bikes , because anyone who's been into cycling for a while can tell you that price and quality/value have very little to do with each other in cycling - particularly when it comes to 'premium' brands .

I am a S5 man all the way

2:29 nice chain line xDDD

whats the saddle of the colnago?

Good Comparison but you cant compare Ferrari with Audi or BMW. Pinarello Dogma F is absolutely a master class !

Kinda missing a few bikes, Super6 Lab71, Canyon Aeroad , etc

At the world tour level. It’s more about the rider not the bike. A better bike only matters on individual time trials. Where every tiny marginal gains counts.

S-works all the way..ive owned the dogma and its a different ride..the SL7 tarmac just seems more lively and responsive..the hate for the s-works sl7 comes because of the price tag..lol

Out of those beautiful bikes, it would have to be the Pinarello, but from a world tour team choice, the Cannondale Lab71 and Willier SLR would be fighting it out for my attention. The Cannondale would probably just edge it!

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

A very special Cannondale lab71 will be featuring very soon!

@Mike0

11 ай бұрын

Which bike do you own. I think I'd go canyon aeroad cfr

I have the Pinarello Dogma F 2023 Midnight silver, Her name is Moon Lyte. The best all around bike and I love her

Interesting comparison.. All 4 of these bikes are VERY focused, similar ..yet different The takeaway at the end of the video encapsulates the state of the bike industry.. All 4 bikes are PURE RACE bikes Very few consumers for these bikes could tolerate the huge compromises of lack of comfort , minimal performance gains , especially at the OUTRAGEOUS prices they command As stated too here , 99% of consumers riders can get the performance parameters that suit their needs with bikes that are half or a third of the cost...which is still...OUTRAGEOUS There is a very strong market demand in the 2nd hand market for lightly used , NOS road bikes that provide a SUPERB alternative. If you shop well as I have , one can find these bikes , components at a fraction of what they cost NEW as well as less then a mediocre NEW bike I have purchased numerous NOS or lightly used HYPER bikes that were the best of their generation s All of them provide SUPERB performance parameters, quality and most importantly..PURE rider satisfaction, feed back , that the majority of current GEN bikes are lacking The costs are also substantially less too Bottom line EXCELLENT alternative

There is an important reason the Colnago front end is more relaxed. Grand Tours go downhill a-lot!

8:47 1st place (3:12) 5:10 2nd place 2:25

DOGMA F12

Cervelo is a part of Focus group

greetings, why do they advertise only S-Works as a super light and fast bike for all trails from flat to uphill and downhill when we also have Pinarello, Colnago and Cervelo, Giant TCR Advanced Pro. and one more question, which of them is the most comfortable for long drives

Dogma F is the best looking bike for me

from my experienced: flat road: dogma > v3rs (never test v4rs) > sl7 climb road: sl7 > v3rs > dogma they all have their own advantgae

@irenki

10 ай бұрын

sir, which bike is best for mountain climbing?

@kickingman927

10 ай бұрын

@@irenkii think colnago c68 and swork aethos, cervelo r5

@irenki

10 ай бұрын

thank you very much , sir !

S-Works 🔥

The missed the best one of the whole peleton, the Factor Ostro....fastest and best made of the whole group.

I would take the fastest bike the Cervélo

Cannondale Lab 71?

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

Coming to road.cc soon!

Why there is no Madone SLR9

Cervelo

The giant propel

Where is the best performance for the money bike! It'll be the Giant Propel!

Crazy you can get a custom Titanium frame made for that price that would ride better than, Those carbon bikes And The weight of the frame would be hardly negligible.

@iMadrid11

11 ай бұрын

You can also 3D print titanium to any aero shape. If titanium 3D printing manufacturing technology improves further and lowers cost in the future. We might see it rival carbon fiber frames.

You're forgetting the best bike of them all - Giant Propel

cannondale supersix evo

Pinarello or Colnago 😊

i say wilier filante!

Pinarello is the best of all bikes.. nothing can beat pinarello.

@hamedizzy5137

9 ай бұрын

That’s not true. I’ve had a f12 and an F depends what you’re looking for. It’s a good all around bike it doesn’t do anything the best!

@PiouPiouDesBois

7 ай бұрын

Ali express looking bike

@justinbergmans36

5 ай бұрын

The best bikes are only as good as the person riding it. There is no best bike.

Dogma!!!!! dogma dogma dogma dogma. Cant afford it so i like felt. Felt felt felt felt! HUMAN POWERED HEALTH!!!!!!!!!

The Wilier Triestina Filante SLR is the best and best looking, end of discussion

@pennyblue6372

11 ай бұрын

thats my man!

@aerobrain2001

11 ай бұрын

The Filante is definitely on my lotto list!

For an average rider like me, spending 10.000 pounds or more for a bike is not very smart. I understand for some people that is not a lot of money, but for most of us it is. On the other hand, like every road bike rider, I too can see the appeal to ride a bike that win the stage or indeed the tour. I think it is partly to do with "identifying" ourselves with pro-riders. For me, I ride Specialized Tarmac as someone who likes climbing. I think it does fantastic job on that.

Where is Trek Madone SLR ?

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

Maybe you can convince them to send us one…

Great video - thank you. As per 99% of cyclists, I'd love a new bike. However, how can you choose when it's almost impossible to test ride anything. Do people really spend north of £5k without actually riding one? Also, 54cm for you SL7 seems far too small when I look at their size chart - I'm guessing you're around 185cm?

@roadcc

7 ай бұрын

There are some bike shops that now offer test rides and we can't recommend doing that enough! And Jamie is 183cm so yes the size chart would put him on a 56cm...he's pretending he's a pro...and to be fair the bike fitter last week didn't chuck him out!

@JengaBikes

4 күн бұрын

Should start again with ride days now that rim brakes are stomped out, Would be terrible if the customer could compare disc vs rim side by side and choose for themselves, can’t have that happening.

Frameset prices are outrageous!

@SrFederico

11 ай бұрын

Wait until you want to buy a seatpost. 450 Euros for a Pina post.

@pierrex3226

11 ай бұрын

​@@SrFedericowell to be credible it has to be proportional :) It's silly though, especially when you start talking to the OEM factories that make carbon frames in China.

@SrFederico

11 ай бұрын

@@pierrex3226 Yeah, i bought one of Aliexpress for 50 Euros, saddle cracked off when I first sat on it. So even more expensive than the original...

@SrFederico

11 ай бұрын

And its the same seatpost for the Prince or F5 than for the Dogmas. There goes the proportionality...

@pierrex3226

11 ай бұрын

@@SrFederico it's like driving a Lamborghini. You have to expect the cup holders to cost a thousand bucks. It is dumb, but it is logical

Wait wait wait... why tout 4 bikes but only picture 3 of them; where's the Cervelo??

@roadcc

10 ай бұрын

It’s there! We just had to film the shots on a different day because it turns out van Aerts bike is in high demand

Hands down DOGMA F

E N V E. Melee

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

This one is unlikely to be the best tour de France bike.. but we will still try and get a video review of one!

No BMC?

why did Specialized not present the sl8 ???

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

😢 we wish they did too

@littlevo9

11 ай бұрын

Ce doit être compliqué de faire mieux que le 7 ,on ne remplace pas un vélo exceptionnel aussi facilement

There were negative opinions on Dogma's responsiveness from a pro familiar with all the bikes you showed (perhaps except Colnago). Great bike, but its look and ego are one step ahead of its capacity.

@SrFederico

11 ай бұрын

...says the armchair expert.

@pierrex3226

11 ай бұрын

Pinarello is owned by the Vuitton people, it's been a luxury brand for over a decade. Mortals who buy pinarello are people who want to make a statement, above all else, I'd say

@cycleoflife565

5 ай бұрын

How can a bike have an ego?

@Anonymous.User.0419

5 ай бұрын

@@cycleoflife565 When the marketing team overclaims while the QC/engineering goes home early.

Specialized is 2 rungs below pinarello or colnago. no comparison.

The graph literally states the tarmac is not faster than the venue, with “faster” I imagine meaning aero

@Penalist

11 ай бұрын

There were 3 generations of Venge and indeed, the 3rd was, according to Specialized, a tiny bit more aero that the current SL7.

Supersix?

@roadcc

11 ай бұрын

Funny you should say that, coming soon to a road.cc near you: A fully tricked out supersix

It is to obius, , that you are a Specialized fan boy ,.