So glad there are two iconic American brands innovating against each other. Harley was stuck in a rut and needed someone to challenge them.

The styling of the Scout is beautiful. There’s something about the fuel tank and its Indian logo that really draws me in.

@NishanKhalsa1984

7 ай бұрын

But it's not a indian company it's usa company

Great video! I've owned Guzzis, Ducatis, Harley Sportsters and Dynas, and now a tasty Indian Scout 100th Anniversary bike. Was tempted by the FTR but I'm old now. 100hp and head turning looks is enough now. I do like the new Harley. I love that there are so many great bikes available now (Triumph Bobber is another). We live in miraculous times. Find your bike and love the one you ride, my friends.

@sailu2011

2 жыл бұрын

like your collection. i like the looks of indian scout but i will go with harley sportsters because of feature, lightweight and brand.

@jermainerobinson6898

2 жыл бұрын

So would u recommend an Indian for my first bike?

Picked up my new Indian Scout Bobber a month ago absolutely love it never even considered a Harley, as far as all the new tec i can get that with my smart phone and air pods and not pay thousands extra, on top of that the Scout is a modern motorcycle with a classic look.

@khrisstake2210

Ай бұрын

But your phone will fly away of you fall

@user-ir3be4oy1k

3 сағат бұрын

@@khrisstake2210smart watch

I personally like this new direction HD is taking. I hope they continue with lower displacement bikes. I’d like to see a modern naked 975 or even 750 with retro Sportster styling. Mid controls please. 👍

@LordMaraTHBD

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. In fact more than an "S" shoud be totally "FT". And the best HD on track were their mid750 flat trackers, sadly not on roads like their chops and customs. I think, despite I don't like personally any kind of tech digi controls on motors, it only lacks not offer low displacement and A2 License compliant bikes. This wil be safe HD crisis, like new Indian does.

@khaccanhle1930

2 жыл бұрын

Many countries in the world are more favorable to "small" bikes like 400-750cc. HD would take a page from Enfield's play book and make well built bikes of that size (not counting the crappy Street series) they could sell well in other countries. A new Softail costs as much as a 2 bedroom apartment in my country. No thanks.

@benkrom2737

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 Enfield's are P.O.S. The Sportster S isn't the big, and you can put it in different modes including throttle modes to feel like a 500cc bike and when you're around some bigger bikes just put in sport mode. I would rather have mid controls and conventional shocks on back with more travel. Also a low set of pipes.

@khaccanhle1930

2 жыл бұрын

@@benkrom2737 you must be an American. Most of the people who ride bikes as a form of transportation live in Africa and Asia. That's over a billion riders. For these people, 500cc is big and anything above 800cc is ridiculous. Most speeds are BELOW 45MPH, and on small tight roads. If any American company truly wants to sell large numbers and get a grip on the global market, they MUST make bikes 700cc or less. The fact you don't realize that is typical of how clueless the American motorcycling culture is about the rest of the world. I hate to break it to you, the motorcycle market doesn't revolve around the USA.

@benkrom2737

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 Harley davidson is an American motorcycle. I don't care about you liking it. I've ridden motorcycles for pleasure and transportation. I've ridden in all kinds of weather including snow . I know there's different types of riders. Not only do I have two bikes with large CC's , I have two bikes with under 250cc. Don't try to dictate what others should ride, not everyone likes just putt putt around !

5:54 “List of features on the Indian: ABS …” “…” lol that one got me

@robieosborne7369

2 жыл бұрын

Same!!!

I remember when 1200cc was nearly the top displacement you could get in a cruiser. Harley's were 1340cc and Suzuki had the 1400 Intruder. The Goldwing 1500cc was as big as they got! Back then 750cc was a "middle weight" bike.

@timjohnson1199

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with middleweight. It will do everything.

@frankhubbardiv8711

2 жыл бұрын

And now people think 750 is too small for highway.

@khaccanhle1930

2 жыл бұрын

Me and my Honda VRX400, I always thought of that as mid size and a 250 as small. But here in Asia the roads are much tighter and speeds slower. Good luck parking a Softail in a parking garage here.

@RFWieder

2 жыл бұрын

Up til 1980 Harleys were 74", 1200cc. In 1980 they started putting out 80" Shovelheads, then went to the evo. engines. My first bike was a 1974 Honda 750, which was a straight four and one of the first " superbikes"!!

@Southworth138

2 жыл бұрын

I remember when 750cc was the BIG BOY and 1,000cc was massive.

I did my own Sporster S vs HD Street Bob ride, S is incredible, pretty high tech, but went with Steet Bob, accent bike to our 05 Road King, almost 50 years old, so classic styling more my gig! 20 year old son loved the S...he test road both as well.

Thats the beautiful thing about competition. The customer wins in the end!!!

The main selling point to me with these bikes is the styling and love the modern Indians. From the Sixty to the Chief, I could buy any of them. The new tech is great for Harley but for years Harley owners never cared that their bikes were lacking modern features and design.

@rleerm

10 ай бұрын

I find nothing truly special or middle weight about these bikes (for their price), but I would buy the Indian for its fuel tank alone😊

I had the same thing in mind for a REAL comparison being the FTR. Price and engine primarily. The FTR is tough to compare though because it is a Jack of all trades but the king in aesthetics. I’ve taken mine on overnight camp trips consisting of dozens of dirt road miles, ripped wheelies in the straights and leaned far enough in the Oregon mountains to make my inexperienced butt pucker. So I’m probably biased and am more than happy with my FTR. BUT! If I hadn’t fallen in love with it beforehand, I would honestly be choosing between these two.

Sportster S vs the Scout? I'll have the HD Sportster S vs the FTR though? I'll take the Indian. The FTR is one of the best looking bikes on the road, in any category.

@paden501

2 жыл бұрын

I really don't understand why people are comparing the Sportster S to the Scout. HD clearly designed the bike to compete against the FTR. They come in at exactly the same HP, and exactly the same price, with very nearly the same technology features.... the decision between the two basically comes down to whether you like your feet in front of you or slightly behind when riding. I agree with MOTOBOB here that we really haven't seen HD's competitor against the Scout yet, and I suspect that when we do see that "non S" sportster sometime in the next year, the spec sheet is going to look very similar to what the Scout offers today.

@ErgonBill

2 жыл бұрын

Not a yank tank fanboy, but the FTR has all my attention atm. I agree, it's a stunner.

@jeepstertj556

2 жыл бұрын

@@paden501 i disagree because they have already shown a street tracker concept that's coming out to compete with the ftr Both the bobber and the sportster s have big fat tires with single brakes and low travel suspensions

@omarsalgado9715

2 жыл бұрын

@@paden501 But... people kept on comparing the Scout to the Sportster 1200. Now, is it not fair to compare the Sportster S to the Scout? The Scout should always had to be compared to the V-Rod, which clearly was superior in performance, not the Sportster. This situations only let see the double standard people have against H-D.

Both great bikes, but perhaps not too comparable in my mind... Maybe more appropriate might be the Sportster S vs the Indian FTR? I'd certainly prefer the styling and laid back simplicity of the Scout, but that's my tech-phobic age speaking!!!

@GorN_Rebel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I think Scout is closer to Fat Bob and FTR is closer to Sportster

HD ... always... much better! Great video

The Scout is a Jewel

Rode the Sportster S at a dealer demo day. Great bike. Lots of power, handles great, and looks great too. The Scout looks good but having not ridden it I can’t imagine it’s even close to the Sportster. I think Harley really hit one out of the park with the Sportster S.

First HD that I have seen that I actually like. Well done then!

Hey Bob..nice work! Again. Not my style of bike-but Indian for me all day long! Tech ! Not that interested? Indian I’d buy on looks alone. Probably quite reliable too.👍🏻

I own the Olight Warrior X and the Olight Valkyrie PL Pro. I can attest to the quality! A+. Get one, you won’t be disappointed!

New to the motorcycle world, will be buying an Indian Scout Bobber my 1st bike next summer for my bday. Tons of great motorcycles out there geesh

100% Indian for me If Power then Ducati Diavel as a Cruiser , at the Moment Im driving a Ducati Multi sport s with a lot of Carbon in Carlin Dunne Design, but as far as Style is concerned definitely Indian !!! Will the next Bike also because I already have Power!!!

That’s a good comp with the FTR. I’m looking forward to that video.

Definitely an unfair comparison. We will want to wait for the standard sportster and then pit that against the scout, it will be a lot more apples to apples. This should definitely has been the S vs the FTR. This bike is a definite shot at that bike. And I am absolutely team Sportster S in that shootout.

@Terry-Alan

2 жыл бұрын

LoL... top speed on the sportster s in 121 mph.. this ain't gonna cut it , Had my BoBBer to 140+ last Saturday. too scary, not doin that again, it was still accelerating . had more to give, NOT doin that again, that was pretty stupid of me bit i wanted to see the top speed it produced, im guessing over 150 mph, maybe more

They’re both beautiful bikes, but the Indian comes out on top!

@NishanKhalsa1984

7 ай бұрын

But it's not indian company it's usa company

Thx for this great video 👍😎🙏 and a lot greeze from old western Germany

All good points in the video, comes down to how they ride. On paper I would take the HD, like the new look minus the high exhaust ( but actually who keeps the stock one ) its the heat and rear suspension that will make or break me.

@HoanNguyen-lf3rr

2 жыл бұрын

does the sportster s exhause customizable tho? cause by the look of it they use a a piece of plastic from the seat to cover the exhaust so they wont burn the passenger.

That new, other, Sportster looks like the old FXR. Which is good! That was a good bike. I think the Indian is easier to customize. Those exhaustpipes on the Sportster incorporated in the bodywork makes it more difficult.

The Sportster S seats in between the Scout and the FTR and I don't think it beats them when it comes to what the bike is all about. The Scout is a low to the ground high revving cruiser with great looks and great power. The FTR is a flat out tracker with looks to go along with it. The Sportster S looks good but it looks like it doesn't know what it wants to be. I would of been great to see this engine in a bike that looks more like a Harley 48. Personally I would not choose the Sportster over the FTR and the Scout is cheaper and more in like to what I would want out of a cruise. Looks, plenty of power and a lower seat for that bobber look.

@pistonburner6448

2 жыл бұрын

Wait until you hear the Sportster S. Ridiculous. Harley used to take immense care of the sound being "authentic Harley sound" but now they've just gone with a sound about as far from that as possible. I never in a million years would've thought they could possibly make the bike sound so horrible. One of the worst sounding bikes I've ever heard. It looks fantastic, but who cares about that when the engine is not only devoid of any enjoyment but is actually embarrassing?

Not a Harley fan. I honestly prefer the Indian FTR S. For the price I think the FTR S beats it's Harley counterpart all day.

Finally, retro classics or 70's alike "oval racers" bikes needs to be mid controls. No matter if we prefer "board" or "flat" tracker style. And for sure, cover all level Driving License to achieve a good market position. Start fidelity clients from the base.

Style, suave, grace, POWER, resilience, the Godfather of the MC cruiser.... INDIAN MOTORCYLCES since 1901!

Yeah, ftr is more in the wheel house when it comes to power, still....scout is a pretty solid bike, kudos to HD for uping their game.

Great video but yes these are not comparable bikes. Sportster S versus FTR and scout bobber versus the regular sportster. In both cases Indian wins in price, performance, and I think looks as well. Either way we can all thank Indian for forcing Harley to up their game.

Indian Scout Bobber ABS Thunder Smoke Black for me! . The price for the Scout is actually $12,999 and $13,999 for the White edition.

i love both of these 2 brand but still the new sportster's v-twin engine looks like a 4th grade art homework to me triumph already did a good job designing t100's new liquid cooled engine

Nice bike.. but I still love the way my scout looks. It turns heads all day long.

Wish i could let you ride my Sportster S so you could review it. I love it

Catalytic converters under the engine (most Bonnevilles) are unobtrusive but put a lot of heat to the engine, however catalytic converters in high pipes running against or near enough to your crotch is a worse idea for temperate zones. No matter how good a bike might be being a roasted marshmallow doesn't interest me.

Don't think they are comparable... I got the scout, engine highly reliable.. beautiful and really fun to ride...

Both look amazing

The Sportster S all the way for me! Harley should have gone with mid controls as standard and forward controls as an option though.

@rubensahak9178

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.I hope they won't charge 700 just for mids.that would put HD in huge money pit catagory

@t-wein9224

2 жыл бұрын

Blockhead Just did a ride review of the sportster S and there were both forward and mid mounted controls, so you will have the option for mid controls which I also greatly prefer.

@nbb4109

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I saw Chase on Two Wheels was at the same press event as Blockhead and they had both mid and forward controls on the bikes. According to the HD website, the mid controls is a $600 or $700 option. Forward controls come standard on the bikes.

@rubensahak9178

2 жыл бұрын

@@nbb4109 terrible to charge so much for something that should of been free option.15k +700 mids freight documentation tax its 18k bike.No thanks

@t-wein9224

2 жыл бұрын

I did not know it was an additional cost. That some garbage. Hopefully aftermarket parts come out relatively soon after it's available for purchase so you can switch for less that 700 dollars

A note to the video: The Scout can generate 100 hp at the crank. The stated 66 hp of the Iron 1200 is to the rear wheel. The Scout can generate around 82 hp to the rear wheel.

@jackbronson3025

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2017 scout 61 cu in motor with gp shorty slips on and a indian stage 1 intake and with a tune on a dyno I made 92 hp @ 7800 rpm and 74 ft lb of torque at 4800 rpm at the rear wheel.

The look of the all black mat Indian cant be topped

And I think I'd take either the Rebel 1100 or Triumph Bobber over either of these. Neither one directly compares in engine specs but that's only a matter of time before either one bothers to put in the effort for it.

This is something that "Indian SCOUT" cannot afford to lose. It's good to see more competition in water cooling. I'm sure the next model will be even more advanced.

i know nothing about bikes, but man the sporters s is appealing to me, I hope to one day ride it even just one time is enough lol

That is probably the coolest harley on the market, but I still absolutely love my scout. It's my favorite bike ever

I’m waiting for the Sportster RRR-R when they finally stop using forward foot pegs.

@Jmort93

2 жыл бұрын

I believe Harley will put on mid controls for ~$700 (expensive for sure but at least it’s an option)

@PhilipBallGarry

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The riding position on the Sportster S looks a little cramped for the knees - akin (dare I say it) to the street 500/750 for which they were criticised, We'll have to wait for the honest independent reviews.

think a fairer comp would be the ftr and the sportster s, imho. both great bike, too.

That price difference is going to be an issue for HD in the US I think, which is really unfortunate. I actually prefer the less tech on the Indian though, too many fancy doo-dads on bikes to fail now days just like cars. Just need my gauges and maybe ABS and that's plenty.

Comparing the Scout engine to one form the Sportster seems a bit disingenuous when it compares more directly to the V-rod Revolution engine but in a lighter more nimble frame.

I have that scout 60 hooligan you see at 2.56 ..it's a beast

Is it just me or is MotoBob speaking faster these days? I used to love his relaxed pace and methodical descriptions with slower video transitions. Now I find myself backing up over and over as the video sequences don’t match the commentary as well as before. I appreciate packing in as much video as possible, but not firing off the specs at a blinding place with video cutaways that distract from the review. My first criticism ever and totally subjective. Any one care to comment?

I prefer the Harley. I am really all for its license plate holder bumper styling sitting just in front of the rear wheel. The Harley does not have a pure stripped down cruiser style lke the Scout Bobber, but I think it integrates enough new and vintage stylining in a package that offers a greater value.

I don’t know, I’m going to get one or the other for my wife. It is a tough call. I do like all those different traction control settings and stuff on the sportster S

@adiuiri16

2 жыл бұрын

Let me know which one got your wife as I am also thinking in what bike should I get for mine

The Indian scout and scout bobber have been around for a while so I wouldn't be surprised if they have a slightly bigger engine ready to be used in these, perhaps around 1350 or 1400cc?

@mickeyvv.

2 жыл бұрын

coool !

That Harley does look good but I will stick with my Indian to see if there are any reliability issues with the Harley before I get another bike in 2 to 3 years.

It's the HD for me on this one. The FTR is properly powerful but vibrates like a naked bike shouldn't! HD's Pan A is crazy smooth! If the Sportster is as smooth then it's win as a new entry small cruiser. The FTR can take a speed hump at 40mpr with a smile, the scout and the new sportster not so much :( I want that rev max engine in a naked bike so I can ride like a proper hooligan on a smooth American bike!

I find that is only Harley I think I would buy. Since you only need clip on bars and rear placed foot pegs. Also two to one pipe with cat removal. That might shave off other 25 labs

Ive been a Harley-Davidson guy my whole life and id go with a Polaris any day over the HD

I really don't understand why people are comparing the Sportster S to the Scout. HD clearly designed the bike to compete against the FTR. They come in at exactly the same HP, and exactly the same price, with very nearly the same technology features.... the decision between the two basically comes down to whether you like your feet in front of you or slightly behind when riding. I agree with you that we really haven't seen HD's competitor against the Scout yet, and I suspect that when we do see that "non S" sportster sometime in the next year, the spec sheet is going to look very similar to what the Scout offers today.

One of the main reasons the Scout is cheaper here in the US is that we don't require motorcycles to have ABS. WHile the EU does. So here in the US ABS is like a $1,000 option or something like that.

I'd like to see both of these compared to the Triumph Speed Twin

@kevinmason6130

2 жыл бұрын

I like the speed twin a lot might be my next bike, but it wouldn’t really win in a any category. Probably will handle better with smaller tires though

Use your stroke as a MC influencer to get Harley to put the 1250 into the new Nightster

Hey I saw that you have ridden both the Ducati scrambler and the Triumph street twin. I'm torn between the two. After riding both bikes what would you say the pros and cons are, and which one would you ultimately choose or recommend?

@jimmywhitlow7174

2 жыл бұрын

Which is cheaper and easier to maintain?

I’d have to ride them both to decide.

Damn this ones tough. HD definitely wins hands down just wish I had the cash.

I said it one i will say it again I'm hoping that the new Sporty S will push Indian to produce a Scout R with the engine spec from the FTR S and same USD forks and dual discs front brakes and a bit more rear end travel and mid controls it would be a belter!! But I think Indian is thinking that if you want a sporty ride on the road buy the FTR S if you want to a fastish cruiser get the Scout. HD is clever cause the new sporty S is bang in the midle of the tow Indian models in terms of power and price. So now it seems to be a golden option especially here in UK with UK prices! I still want to see the Bromx with the same power and torque figures as the PanAm and that will fill the whole left by the Ducatis Monster 1200! So far I'm loving this cruiser revolution and I hope this will lead to more intresting bikes. Remember the Voctry Octane maybe Indian will put this on the market as a new model. And you can't forget about the Honda Rebel 1100. With a better price ok a bit lest power but I bet in the real world it will be as quick as the American duo.

In the USA, old Sportster with alarm, paint, and Abs almost $12,000. For $15,000 Sportster S you get so much more and no Stage 4 needed!!

I think the Scout takes all points for reliability and heritage…

I’d choose the Harley sportster s over the Indian scout bobber & I don’t like either of both brands, but my mind is already set on a triumph rocket 3 gt.

Okay I have riden both. I prefer the scout. The new scout has a 3 settings one for sport and one for touring. And the last one is normal riding. To me the scout is a better bike. I loved the handling of the Harley. But I then rode a scout. The scout handled way better. So I am buying a scout

@genxkevin

2 жыл бұрын

Nice I'm look8ng at both of these as well

Still love the scout bob

The Sportster S is the 1st HD that I want, love the Bobber but the HD seem more a complete package. Don't see anything I would change on the Sportster S, on the Bobber the exhaust system has to go, looks terrible to me. Never thought I would want an HD, this bike is going to get me in the dealer as soon as my current bike is payed for.

@pistonburner6448

2 жыл бұрын

Wait until you hear the Sportster S. It sounds like a parallel twin 250cc that some guy is schlepping around Vietnam...or maybe even worse than that. There are literally lawn mowers that sound a lot better.

It's a good comparison. You either want simplistic riding with the Indian, just start and ride and not to much to worry about or focus on other than the looks or all the gadgets harley where theres more on the screen than the bike. Two great bikes being made but Ill enjoy the Indian more for me but would like to try the sportster :)

Now Indian needs to put the ftr 1200 power plant in a cruiser platform I still choose the scout bobber over the sporter s due to looks, practicality and sound oh and in my country the sporter s is 9k more with that price tag could at least add dual disc upfront.

I will pass on all Cruisers with Froward controls .. I do like the Indian FTR-1200 a lot howeverl .. and I have test ridden it ..

love it!

I personaly like the scout 16 more than the scout bobber its more confertable to ride it daily

I guess key is what the aftermarket will do. Will they support the Indian or HD? time will tell....

You got it right...at the end. The FTR is the proper competitor for the sportster S. The current "sportsters" are now labeled as "cruisers". The new "sportsters" are definitely more like the FTR, and an alternative to the scout, but not a direct competitor to the scout.

What about reliability? Been hearing sportster s has been having issues.

The Sportster update is exactly the kind of thing HD needed in its lineup, but I still prefer the Bobber.

@deangullberry5148

2 жыл бұрын

wait until the new Sportsters (non S) come out. Looking at a 975 and a 1250. Traditional Sportster styling (adding a radiator) and all the gizmo's....

I like the Indian. It comes in a dark green. Reminiscent of the ww2 military harleys. But I don’t know if hd has any of the same color

I'd pick the Scout Bobber everyday of the week... But I would probably pick streetbob or low rider ahead of the Scout bobber.

Aesthetically I really like the look of the Sportster S, but something about the riding stance looks uncomfortable to me! Not sure if it's just my imagination though.

The price of the bobber is quoted without ABS. By the time you add ABS, pipes, and better shocks you’re looking at the same price point as the Sportster S. I love the looks of the Bobber better but seems like Harleys tech might win some people over.

Will they offer a passenger seat option or sissy bar?

Not wise I’d go for the Indian. I will likely sell my trident and buy the new Triumph Bobber, which in my opinion is the best looking cruiser out there.

@DB-sd3cw

2 жыл бұрын

ugliest bike on the market.

@fvgc454ss

2 жыл бұрын

Triumph bobber is one of the ugliest bikes ever built. Its the Bonneville with zero thought made to a chopped up rear end.

At $15,000 this is going to be compared to the Indian FTR S which foregoes the look of being slammed in typical HD fashion and the 2" of suspension travel for actual sport riding setup. It all depends on what you want to do with the bike, the type of riding you do, and what's most important to the rider. If it's the looks, then yes the new Sportster S looks really cool but if you actually want to do sport riding my money is on the FTR S. I am glad HD decided to update it's design and I think it's a step in the right direction but personally the Bronx (the bike they decided not to build) would have made a better sport riding bike but I imagine HD decided it would be compared to bigger sport naked bikes such as the KTM Super Duke and Kawasaki Z H2 and didn't want to come up short so they just avoided that whole sport naked category, which is disappointing.

Nice that Indian. Rekindled the flame for Harley to try new things and innovate

Still happy with my T bobber black , good video though mate

With 2.5in suspension travel. Single disc and forward controls...

I think the competition is between the sportster s and the bonneville bobber

How about comparing the Indian Chief vs Harley Sportster S?

Would be great to compare them to Triump speedmaster/bobber. It's really rare comparison but might be interesting

Sportster s is 17-18g in dealerships, gotta love markup

@fvgc454ss

2 жыл бұрын

My buddy just bought one 2 days ago out the door for 16k. White one

Really like the New HD Really like the Indian too

Love what HD is doing at the moment. Pan Am is my favourite so far but only because of my riding interests, but the Spotster S looks fantastic, choosing this over an Indian for sure

I think the Harley-Davidson Sportster S is a very cool bike.