Neural Amp Modeler vs Mesa/Boogie JP-2C
There has been a lot of buzz lately about the Neural Amp Modeler, so I decided to put it to the test by using it to clone my Mesa/Boogie JP2C, and shoot it out against the real amp. All sound samples are unprocessed with no post EQ, and only a hard limiter to increase the final volume. They also use the same York Audio Mesa Rectifier cabinet IR to keep things consistent. You can download my JP2C capture files here: tonehunt.org/Paul.Jacovino/cb...
0:00 Intro
0:14 About the NAM
1:19 Comparison in a mix
2:45 Guitar only comparison
3:40 Closing thoughts
Neural Amp Modeler: github.com/sdatkinson/NeuralA...
Mesa/Boogie JP2C amplifier: www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...
Kiesel Guitars: www.kieselguitars.com
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NO WAY… i am completely speechless… what a time to be alive with open source stuff these days. Thanks for doing this!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, thanks for checking it out!
@hip-hopjedi4423
10 ай бұрын
I'm impressed, now I just need my friend to model his original C++ for me 😅
I got back to guitar playing after 2 years of having a break. I started using NAM and...I am amazed by the quality of this tool and the community. This is something we all needed, for real.
Wow Man !! I really love these captures. Thank you so much.
I really really apreciate you did this on E standard. Most reviews nowadays are down tuned and i feel its Harder to tell any significant differences between amps the lower you go. I am using Nam lately and its amazing. Im gonna try to use one of these profile for my next single. Great job my friend!! Cheers from Colombia!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I am glad you like it. I tend to use guitars in a lot of different tunings, but definitely love playing in E standard and can agree that it can be tough to discern differences in super low tunings.
And yes, I can feel the tightness and it`s my favorite setup. Thank you Paul :)
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
So glad you like it. Thanks for checking it out!
Nicely done my friend I really like this new technology. I have been a fractal audio guy for fourteen years and is nice to see this kind of stuff come in software.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely awesome stuff, thanks for checking the video out!
Estou impresionado com os seus profiles Parabens pela iniciativa!
Another amazing thing you did. Love it. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Can't wait for the detailed capture.
I downloaded your pack today, as i was trying the new Atomic Tonocracy, and it sounds great man! Tnx for the effort.
Great tones - thanks for sharing your captures
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking them out!
subscribed! really loving NAM right now, can't go back to neural dsp vst's after playing NAM
Thank you Paul for the excellent comparison...Upon first listening I detect the modeler is a bit thinner sounding than the real deal.......but as you say its really close in comparison...
Awesome playing and sound dude 🤘🏾
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Thank you for the profile! I love this software.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
awesome sounds and thanks for sharing
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
Thanx!!! Very, very cool plug-in!!!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you dig it, thanks!
thanks for the package. I am already using and enjoying.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you dig it, thanks for watching!
I fucking love your solos bro. You have such a distinct playing style and damn it I miss jamming with ya! Great job on this review video bud! It’s crazy how technology is changing the guitar game. Keep up the great work Paul 🤘🏻
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much bud, I miss jamming with you also. I appreciate the support and hope all is well!
Thanks! Great review!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
awesome playing. nice arrangement of the vid and info.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Cheers for the download 😊
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
What is crazy and what I find the most mind-blowing is that modeling not only is the future but also it sounds ( in my experience ) much better than traditional amplifiers because we have access to absolutely all the settings that are not the case on a tube or transistor amplifier. Many people complain about modeling because they usually stick to the basic presets, whereas if you take the time to adjust everything yourself I hold onto the result that I have had for all these years playing on tube amps. The only advantage of these amps is that they are much simpler, with fewer settings.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a proponent of modeling for a long time. In my opinion, for a lot of use cases the convenience supersedes any tonal difference. I’ve used so many pieces of gear extensively and seem to always gravitate to plugins for recording, and my Helix for live use. Thanks for checking out the video!
@martyshwaartz971
Жыл бұрын
Right?? Having additional EQ and Gain shaping on an AC30 or Rockerverb is insane!!
@morellasgeorgios8449
Жыл бұрын
only for the miced up sound and for convenience. I now use three amps at the same time in the studio vs a loud drummer. Modellers can only cope if I run them in the loop of the amps. Through pa speakers forget it and none can model my system with dual amps and separate amp for harmonizer for example.
@morellasgeorgios8449
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetalyou tone matched perfectly but man ot sounds dark with muddy bass and no clarity. Why? Did you lowpass the guitars? Is this your preference?
That is just nuts man
This is awesome, i bet no-one will really notice in a mix
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Yep, without a direct back to back comparison there really wouldn’t be any way to tell. Thanks for checking out the video!
These and the Satan are very high quality. Thank you.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
Thank you very much!
Wow, that's is almost identical! Only guitar player may notice any minor difference. Generally listener won't hear any. BTW, you have killer playing skills. Your 3 note per string run at 2:23 is Wow...clean!
Hey Paul, fm9 owner here. Just wanted to say thank for the capture and give as sub, well deserved man!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you, it is much appreciated!
NAM is great and we all loving it but man, that guitar is sick as hell! Great video and thanks for the profiles 🍻
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, it is probably my favorite guitar.
Digital sound is so good, one would buy a song and wouldn't have a chance to guess if it was a real amp or plugin used. Thanks for the video.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I agree, while back to back you might notice a small difference, without that context there would be know way to know. Thanks for watching!
Hi Paul, you did a great job. The capture sounds great and is very near, but the real deal has a kind of a little MoJo. In my ears a bit more punch in the deeper frequencies. But when nobody tells you what the capture is, you can't hear it. Thanks for your video. All the best from Germany Andy
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, Andy. I totally agree. The real amp still has a little something to it. Again, maybe a more detailed clone would change that, but I can definitely hear that the clone sounds thinner in the low end compared to the real thing. But again, unless someone where to show them side by side, it wouldn’t really be possible to notice a difference. Thanks for checking the video out!
I like the parts where you talked and then played the guitar.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video, Aaron. 🤣
I absolutley LOVE this. Its super subtle but the difference is in the low end for sure. I would imagine a plugin like virtual tape machine from slate could really help with that. I think I may never have to buy a new amp again. Given the nature of it being open source, I think we will see insane features come out soon!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Oh, a tape machine plug in could be interesting to try with it. Thanks for checking out the video!
@Saterfoo
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal Great work on the video man!
Wow! Sounds great.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
Awesome!!!!
Paul...your capture here is absolutely excellent. Just when I think I detect a difference, I go back and listen and I'm not sure. Perhaps the real amp has a bit more fullness on the bottom. But then...maybe not. :D I do think the capture sounds a bit more open on top. Not fizzy. Just clearer somehow. Almost imperceptible. And I'm listening on Kali studio monitors! Great job here dude!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you are enjoying the captures, thanks so much!
Nice video ! Would be nice to also see a comparison against the latest boogie plugin from Neural DSP !
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Good idea, maybe a 3 way comparison between NAM, the IIC+ plugin, and Archetype Petrucci!
@MeTuLHeD
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal Throw in the Amped Fluff 2C from ML Sound Lab and that would be one AWESOME comparison! :D
Very cool thank you
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
$4k vs free......lol What a time to be alive. I still like my Mark V 25, but its cool to be able to pull up any tone you could ever want.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
It’s certainly an awesome way to test out expensive gear without spending any money. Thanks for watching!
NAM. EPIC❤
I came to your same conclusions (more bright and tight). Not bad characteristics though, that's kind of desirable. But yes, with NAM you can get a lot closer if you spend some more time.
The NAM seems to sound brighter, the valve sim is astounding, very impressive.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@NACHOXVALLE
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal Thx a lot for your insight.
I have a question that may sound stupid. On the tone hunt page are downloads of different amps, cabs etc right? So how do I actually download those into my PC? Looks like zip files? Need to be converted? I am totally lost dood
This plug-in alone should absolutely push other companies to make their sims sound as realistic as possible going forward. IMO Fractal is still king when it comes to engineering the most realistic sim and effects, while making them extremely customizable. I realize this plug-in is about captures, and for most people, all they want is an amp and overdrive with very basic delay and reverb, and that’s fine. For others, we love having the best of the best for inspiration. This plug-in is a huge step to pushing for companies to create higher quality. Can’t wait for the day when open source effects become as good as top shelf hardware and plug-ins.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, its a great time to be a guitarist. Thanks for checking out the video!
NAM’s a bit brighter, but that’ll probably save a round of HPF’ing come mix time. Nice work.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Thanks so much!
Great plugin. Was capturing my Mesa Dual Rectifier Rev F preowned by Richard Kruspe Rammstein yesterday. One guy have me a comment about this software and after your video I think about sending back the tonex capture but is it possible to capture a full rig? Amp miced Cab into Mic Pre into a Compressor. In tonex I could is the full way and was really satisfied. Thanks alot for your video!
Impressive, really.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
The hype is understandable, Neural is good stuff. Your right hand technique is insane. 👍
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it!
@80s_kid
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal You're welcome Paul, we know it takes a lot of time and energy to develop to this level. :)
1:21 Can you explain the difference in sound between the Boogie "pushing Air" and the Neural Amp Modeler playing through various different PC sound cards (or are you using a PA and how close does that sound to the Boogie in a live room?) also, what is the sustain like on the Neural Amp Modeler compared to a Boogie live Amp turned up loud? I cannot see how there could be any real sustain .. maybe I'm wrong? For me an amps sustain is EVERYTHING .. when listening to classic rock songs and solos they were all recorded with loud Amps .. cam the Neural Amp Modeler reproduce that loud Amp on the verge of feedback sound?
The nam caputure did sound tighter but man, it sounds really really good
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it!
thank you for your video. How did you captured your amp ? Also does the NAM export the impulse response as .wav in order to load it in an I.R. loader pedal, like the "impulse" from tc electronics ?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I captured the amp using a line 6 helix as an interface, and used the slave out on the JP2c. My captures do not include an impulse response, it’s just a capture of the head.
i have tried and man oh yeah this sounds killer this is best sounding of all amp sims i've used i recommend to anybody who wants to get close for petrucci sound
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you like them, thanks for checking them out!
Great video comparison. The sound is amazing ! Only one thing, can't click/access the download links! Could you fix them?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
KZread has to verify my ID before links will become clickable, that should be up and running within the next 24 hours or so. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment!
That’s crazy! There’s almost no difference. Yes you are correct, the capture sounds a bit brighter than the real amp, but I actually like the capture more than the real amp dude. Rock on!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it, thanks for watching.
Holy shit
1) Paul, are you create this sound with digital CAB and Mic, or Real Cab and mic? 2) How about NAM work with bass-guitar tone. What do you think about this?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
This sound is using an impulse response, not a real cab. You can use NAM for bass, there are some captures of bass amps and pedals. Thanks for watching!
Can I use this plug-in w/ Audacity Studio ?? And how do I install? Thanks! Great! Vid and excellent performance!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! If Audacity supports VST plug ins, you should be able to use it, I’ve never tried Audacity so I’m not sure though.
bitchin' sound! and great playing! really loved the solo.
@PMJmetal
9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
please, don't forget to share your IR impulse ... thanks :=) but great job for reamping :=)
I can genuinely say I like the NAM version better :) How many Epochs did you run and what was your ESR?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it! Everything was set to the defaults, so I believe it was 100 epochs.
@jasonzdora
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal Thats awesome for a 100epoch model. I have some videos on my channel to show how to install the trainer locally if youre interested in doing higher epochs or just not having to worry about Google Collabs timing out on you. Great work on the video, man!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonzdora Awesome, I will definitely take a look! I plan on putting a more elaborate amp pack together at the request of the NAM group on Facebook so maybe I will see if its feasible for me to get more detailed with it. Thanks!
Still prefer the amp, the capture sounds nasal and significantly brighter in comparison. But in a mix there's barely any difference. Very impressed.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Definitely, a capture won’t 100% replace an amp. But it’s super cool that users can share emulations of their gear with each other. It’s a lot of fun. Thanks for watching!
Great video look forward to testing the captures. Is there a site other than a Facebook page to test out community captures?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! It seems like most people are posting their captures on tonehunt.org
@mookytc
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal Nice thank you!
Could you buy a Mark II C (or whatever Petrucci uses these days) and share the NAM too? This one sounds stellar already X) (Clean, OD and Lead would be awesome). (I kid about buying another Mesa, lol..... but maybe you could meet him and ask him to let you do it REAL QUICK, lol) Cheers.
Hi pls let me know once the link is up and running. can't access it right now
@ayeapprove
Жыл бұрын
Link isn't a link right now
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
KZread wont allow the full link until they approve my account is verified, which will take about 24 hours supposedly. Until then, this is the link: drive.google.com/file/d/1bjRuc6cVNdRqtDba_SnTILOjPs7LVUvY/view?usp=sharing
Excellent tone and ...excellent guitar :-) yes....the game now will be much harder for the big guys. If people owning all those iconic amps will decently produce accurate profiles of those amps then it will be the end of the big guys (Kemper, Fractal, QC etc.,) and amp manufacturers as well I'm afraid ....like saying "the good and the bad side of things".
@benburnett8109
Жыл бұрын
NO. The big guys will crush this infantile program. When it's free it means it's not protected. AND releasing free software that is unprotected open source is kinda like "butt drilling" a prostitute without a bag on. You get to pop but you also get to carry viral diseases for the rest of your life. IN this case, the juice is not worth the squeeze. AND some big company will figure out how to crush it. This will go away very quickly. Just like internet friends. Gone before you know it. FREE=DUMB FREE=BAD FREE=ZERO SUPPORT. FREE=CRUSHED BY REAL COMPANY. FREE=ONE AND DONE. Neural will crush this based on name trademark infirigement. That lawsuit is already heading thru the courts. Won't be long now. There is no good here. Only bad. Think dripping pus out of the head of your peepee
Great work! BTW: link to google drive doesn't work
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
KZread wont allow the full link until they approve my account is verified, which will take about 24 hours supposedly. Until then, this is the link: drive.google.com/file/d/1bjRuc6cVNdRqtDba_SnTILOjPs7LVUvY/view?usp=sharing
WOW Mannn, this is the perfect sound I was Looking for... It would be too much to ask if you could Share this IR as well? Thank you so much
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, unfortunately I can’t give out the IR, but it is in this pack. It is the YA mes 412 os JP mix: www.yorkaudio.co/product-page/mes-412-os-v2
@guilhermemazorra1746
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal No problem my friend, just to know the name it helps me, I'm going to search for it thanks brow!
there is still a little bit of a difference. Maybe it's just a little bit low fidelity than the real amp. Damn amazing though. Nothing Anybody'll miss for sure.
NAM made me sell my Axe-Fx II 😂 it's so f****** good!
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how good a free plugin can be. Thanks for checking out the video!
can we have a link of ur cab it as well?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I cannot give that away unfortunately because it is a paid impulse response. You can purchase them here though: www.yorkaudio.co/product-page/mes-412-os-v2
Have you switched the EQ off in the NAM plugin?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I did not switch it to off, but i also did not adjust them at all. All settings were set to noon.
The plugin has less attack. Why?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t notice less attack, but it could be because I used the “easy mode” method to make my capture. Thanks for checking out the video!
Did you try null test?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video. I have not tried that.
But how do actually model the amps with it?
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I personally did it using this method: colab.research.google.com/github/sdatkinson/neural-amp-modeler/blob/main/bin/train/easy_colab.ipynb
google drive link doesn't work! Missing characters
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
KZread wont allow the full link until they approve my account is verified, which will take about 24 hours supposedly. Until then, this is the link: drive.google.com/file/d/1bjRuc6cVNdRqtDba_SnTILOjPs7LVUvY/view?usp=sharing
Which York cab IR mic/position is that?
@PMJmetal
11 ай бұрын
It’s part of their Mesa Rectifier cab pack and is the JP mix
@dubwaxaudio
10 ай бұрын
@@PMJmetal which one specifically?
En la parte rítmica le falta graves con respecto al amp.
To me, the real deal still wins. In a full mix the Boogie has more low-end fullness that the Neural Amp Modeler just doesn't have.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I agree, though I think after a high and low pass filter to make more room for other instruments, you’d lose a lot of that. Thanks for watching!
yes, I would like a Celine Dion cover please. My Guitar Will Go On. Thank you in advance.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
If only Dragonforce didn’t already do it. 🤣
Nam wins Always uff....
Works best with a tube intel i9 cpu
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Tone for days!
NAM is legit. Not only does it sound amazing, it actually feeeeels great to play. Sometimes that's the missing element with plugins. Great job.
the loadbox is critical. torpedo lbs are not good
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I didnt need to use a load box, as the JP-2C has the ability to turn off the cab, and I was able to just use the slave out on the head. Thanks for checking out the video.
The difference is notable. You also need to consider that changing the amp settings in the model will lead to a lot more inaccuracy, unlike in the actual amp.
Sounds good huh? :-) . . . and its FREE :-)
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely pretty awesome. And yeah, can’t beat the price.
Now just let me load it into some hardware Or overright whatever is in my positive grid spark and i will be happy for a long time.
Haha, I like NAM better. It has more grind in the top end.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Glad you dig it!
Real amp is breathing. NAM is soo close and soo far.
low end difference
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
I agree, I do feel like the real amp has more low end to it. However, after a high and low pass filter it may even things out.
@rickard9294
Жыл бұрын
NAM is able to capture "every" detail. It is possible to control the parameters of the profiling. I do not know how this amp was captured though.
The NAM plug sounds better 😂 Get rid of that hunk of cobber and wood 😅
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I may hold onto it for posterity’s sake. 😂 Thanks for watching!
cant make any fair judgement until I hear amp and REAL cab vs neural and IR. this IR is weakest link in real amp chain and might be responsible for unification of both sounds.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
That could be a fun experiment to make a video on. 🤔
@Radical_Middle
Жыл бұрын
@@PMJmetal yes:) could be an experiment on your neighbours IR too:)
135 subs and 8800 views. NO. this is fraudulent. Somthing does not add up here.
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Don’t know what to tell you. I started this channel, shared this video in a couple groups and it seems to have taken off. It is, however, not fraudulent. 🤷♂️
NAM sounds better ^^
@PMJmetal
Жыл бұрын
Now that’s a hot take! Thanks so much for checking out the video and leaving a comment!