Aang taking his responsibility seriously from moment one is missing the point of his early character arc. ffs, for him it hasn't been 100 years, it's been a couple days since he ran away from the monks and his duty, as well as being separated from Monk Kiatsu. He shouldn't come out the ice ball as fucking Batman. I have no idea how anyone can be excited for this slop, but I keep seeing consoomers online creaming their jeans over screenshots

Two things I want to say: 1. When you mentioned the toning down of the characters flaws and more focus on action and plot, It reminded me of Netflix’s Cowboy Bebop. (From being more focused on action to even characters stories being reworked to be less complex than they were in the original anime.) 2. Them getting rid of the filler in Avatar sounds bad to me. While the OG series had it filler episodes, They were usually still important to the grand plot (The Beach episode has Zuko contemplating if he’s doing the right thing as well as establishing his relationship with Mai and even the episode where Sokka and Katara get sick introduced the Blue Spirit.) I’m sure they’ll incorporate some of these elements into the episodes but getting rid of them just as whole feels wrong to me.

@MrSophire

3 ай бұрын

Yes avatar is a character show not a plot show. The Plot has been done to death. We all know Zuko’s heal face turn by role 3 or at very least episode 12. This not a spoiler, it’s obvious and in plot shows it would be annoying but in a Character show it is fantastic. We know Aang is going to save the world, we how is going to do it but we see him becoming that person who can have the confidence to do it. Those little moments show us how this kids become Adults. How their childish views of what an adult is, changes over time. Ex being a man is not just be protective but knowing where he is supposed to be.

Yeah, the binge model works in high-continuity limited projects. But taking a long, multi-season beloved series that is, in my opinion, nearly perfect storytelling and cramming it into binge-watching is not great.

Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino, Series Creators, left the live-action project over disagreements ... just like they did Shymalan's Last Airbender movie. This should be warning enough.

@emlnemdn

3 ай бұрын

Michael was just at the Netflix ATLA premiere to show support, as was the original VAs for Zuko, Toph and Sokka. The cabbage man VA was also there and he gave it a 5 cabbages rating.

I'm never a fan of liveaction versions of animated works to begin with, but I definitely lost all interest when I saw how short the series is going to be. I understand budget reasons for its length, but the characters are the heart of the show -- not its plot --and losing all that character growth is just a goddanm shame.

One thing I feel like Netflix is also doing is riding off the high of One Piece being so successful while failing to see why that series happened to work which was that the showrunners worked with Oda and had a clear tremendous respect for the series. They understood they were not gonna be the anime or the manga but they were going to try their best to make a version that pleased fans but could also draw in newcomers and it worked because it was a genuinely well-crafted show made with passion. This live-action on the other hand is starting to make me wonder in the same way that Bebop did about who this is made for. Fans of Avatar have always been wary of any adaptation ever since Shyamalan and while this has the aesthetic down? It kind of seems to think that the only problems with that movie was that and the lackluster action and once again forgets that Avatar is beloved for more than just those two things so I don't know why this would appeal to them and non-fans if it sucks are either gonna be turned away from the show or they're just gonna watch the original.

@unknownsword9042

3 ай бұрын

What made it work was fan devotion. That show sucked ass.

@the-aspiring-creator4249

3 ай бұрын

@@unknownsword9042 The One Piece show? I would say it was pretty solid overall.

I think the hellboy movies have a similar issue, where many aspects of hellboy and his stories are shifted to be a much more basic action movie than it is in the comics, because while the comics do have action, they’re far more often focused on hellboy’s character and destiny, his friends, or if it’s a short story the world he inhabits. The movies often simplify things into just being hellboy needing to kill the bad guys and not really having to struggle emotionally too much. The cowboy bebop live action series I think is another prime example of this. I really wish more adaptations would be willing to adapt the substance of stories rather than just the spectacle. Also great video as usual lol

@SaiyanHeretic

4 ай бұрын

If you think Hellboy doesn't "struggle emotionally" in the movies, then you either haven't seen them in a long time, or you've only seen the latest one (which is genuinely terrible). Guilllermo del Toro gets Hellboy, he's all about the innate humanity of monsters; the guy made a career out of it. But he's also a filmmaker and he knows that movies are a different medium from comics - they need to have tight structure and get to the point without meandering in the way that telling your character's story across decades worth of comics can get away with. Also, GDT is friends with Mike Mignola, who was involved in the planning of those movies. The Golden Army especially is one of the all-time great comic book adaptations.

@skyyswaggstudios2934

4 ай бұрын

@@SaiyanHeretic im well aware of the history of the movies, and I even like them, however they are not hellboy. They share surface level elements but hellboy the character is fundamentally different, where he is defined as an old man constantly denying the fate of his existence in the comics the movies have him defined as a mentally very young man coming of age, and falling in love with liz, the del toro movies are about a young man coming of age, compared to the comics more existential questioning. I suppose there is some substance in del Toro hellboy but its just not really hellboy, and mike mignola had many disagreements with del toro, especially with the golden army. Again I like these movies, however they focus far more on being fun action movies rather than the more exposition ridden and character focused stories with occasional explosions of actions you'll find in many hellboy comics. This is not to say I disagree changes must be made for the new medium, however many of the changes i think make the characters and story pretty fundamentally different

I feel like the word filler has lost its meaning. ATLA doesn’t have any “true filler” that only exists to pad the series, something like naruto and one piece, has “true filler ”, and there’s a very clear and obvious distinction between the filler and the actual plot, the episodes just happen and are never mentioned again . In ATLA even the least plot relevant episodes still have an impact,most episodes get called back to at least once, and are clearly intentionally put there to say something. True filler can easily get removed and not effect jack shit, hell the show is better without it since the show would be back on the correct track , but the second anything is lost it’s no longer filler, if any character development, pice of world building, etc is lost it’s no longer filler. It’s starting to feel like anything that isn’t a huge spectacle is called filler. /s an episode where the main character reminisces about their parents on their journey to avenge them, sounds like filler to me. An episode where the MC goes on a date with their love interest,FILLLER. God forbid we tell the backstory of this important side character, cuz that would be fillller. /s Do you see how ridiculous this sounds.

The netflix model for success is distrubing. I hope those kid actors will find more roles after this.

you know what's funny? when i first watched the show in like 2010, i thought Sokka's sexism was anachronistic. not that it was mishandled ... they handled it well, he learned from it. but anachronistic in a way like "no one is sexist *like this* anymore". and then while watching it during the pandemic with my 11yo niece, i was like "omfg, if this show came out today they would be saying "this show is WOKE 😠"🤣

Basically they took Avatar and turned it into Cocomelon for adults

I strongly disagree that toning Sokka's sexism means he no longer has preconceived notions that need to be challenged or that Aang being more focused on completing his mission means he's no longer going to have immaturity to overcome. There are a lot of trailers and clips that show Aang being immature and people like Bumi lecturing him about his duties as an avatar. The Netflix model does create limitations for series but that doesn't automatically mean character growth is destroyed because its not being done a certain way.

@MrSophire

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think we are saying there is no character growth, from the show runner’s comments we are hear that it’s going from a character driven show to a plot driven show. The plot is as old as time. Zuko becoming a good guy is painfully obvious in a plot show but in a character show it’s just great storytelling. You rooting for him by episode 12, not to get the Avatar but to get the peace he so desperately needs.

not gundam :( , abnd really the reason why it was ok for suki to humikiate him there, was because sokka was a jerk, without it it makes her way worse. With it, she is trying to knock down his false ego and likes him for when he is willing to learn .

We also see these crimes in Netflix's animated works too. Notoriously, we see how much was skipped ahead in Voltron: Legendary Defender to the point that the rest of the series suffers, and this mentality bled into other animated shows, like Glitch Techs or the infamous "Netflix Anime Hell", where an anime has to go through a long wait period to deem it fit for the platform long after it's announced. Even as something as serious as Bojack Horseman or Inside Job don't even really take the time to flesh out the characters because they are contending with Netflix's practices as Big Mouth and Cocomelon thrive, not having to worry about an overarching storyline.

I watched the first episode of Netflix's Avatar and haven't watched anymore since. Even if you grant them the grace of knowing some things must be changed as an adaptation, just from a basic writing perspective, the first episode was so bad... You could already tell the rest of the season was gonna be crap.

Hey Anthony!! The decisions of Netflix's version of ATLA are cause for concern. Thanks for discussing what's going on.

The more I hear from the showrunners, the more worried I am about this adaptation. It's like they don't get it, like they only watched the badass fight scenes and are prioritizing getting as much of that into their project as possible, while sidelining all the emotional depth. People love Avatar because they love the characters first. If all it took to be loved like that was looking cool, then the DC Snyderverse wouldn't have collapsed. I have no problem with an adaptation taking liberties, but if you're going to miss the heart of the original work so thoroughly, then what are you even doing? No wonder Bryke walked away.

@missAlice1990

3 ай бұрын

I think you nailed it. I was excited for this show, not gonna lie. I was justifying everything I heard about it and tried to be optimistic. But the last straw was when I heard they are making Zuko actually fight his father in the Agni Kai. Man... That scene was so powerful and impactful by NOT showing us what exactly happened when Zuko got the scar. But of course they wanted ACTION, ACTION, ACTION and MORE ACTION so they felt the need to include the whole fight. That's it. They only want amazing fights and bending VFX. Nothing else matters.

I don’t think ATLA has any actual “filler” episodes. The episodes where the characters aren’t actively pushing the greater plot forward allow us to get to know the main characters better and meet a lot of beloved side characters, which is also incredibly important imo.

100% It’s the journey the makes the of characters of Avatar so compelling if you strip away from the core dynamics of story it becomes less. I compare it to Ghost in the Shell where episodes can be enjoyed without sacrificing the greater narrative all for something to be sensationalized.

While these changes are stupid if it was just a 1 to 1 exact recreation of the show, what would be the point? Just doing the whole thing over again in live action feels like I could just watch the original. Yes, these specific changes and removals water down and break elements to make it more marketable and those suck ass but not changing anything wouldve been a terrible idea as well

@unknownsword9042

3 ай бұрын

Large point would have been to make money. lol

@names_are_useless

3 ай бұрын

Seriously would have preferred just following another Avatar. At least Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino get to work on an Avatar Animated Movie (following an older GAang) and a brand new original Avatar Series (the Earth Avatar after Korra). Unlike a lot of Avatar Fans, I liked most of Korra (yes, even Season 2) and am excited to see what comes in the future for animated Avatar.

@transagentcooper8041

3 ай бұрын

@@names_are_useless Wholeheartedly agree on following a new avatar. Or an old one. Either way, something new instead of "more palatable" retread. It how I felt about the recent Percy Jackson series, Id rather have just gotten a new story set in that world I admit, the first two seasons of Korra dont work for me, the stories and themes at least, but I love most of the characters all the way thru, and seasons 3 and 4 and fantastic imho I am very much looking forward the animated projects, especially the Earth Avatar series. Im immensely curious at how things in the world will grow and change, how Korra's full life impacted the world, etc (not to mention the new ideas, themes, and story directions).

@MrSophire

3 ай бұрын

Yes new material would have been better, I had an idea it would ether called “ the battle of Ba sung Se” or the “ the two Generals”, it would be about the battle Iroh had at Ba sung sa but it would be from Lu Ten’s point of on the fire nation side and another soldier on Earth kingdom side. Lu Ten is having a seeing what the war is doing to his usually kind hearted Father and the people around him. He is not liking it but doesn’t want to go against his father’s wishes. The Earth kingdom guy wants to protect his home and family but also sees the horrible corruption of his city, he sees Long Fang for what he is and doesn’t know how to feel about his puppet king.

I know this wasn’t discussed in your video, but another issue with Netflix’s Avatar is the casting: while it’s good that the casting avoided whitewashing this time and it’s overall full of Asians and Indigenous people, the problem still lies in the casting of Sokka, Katara and Princess Yue, played by the actors whose skin colors are lighter than the three aforementioned characters. For more information on this colorism issue regarding Netflix’s Avatar, see Professor Flowers’ video “Yes, Dark Skinned Erasure Is A Problem. Here’s Why.”

I thought you were implying that the writers were “scared” of the Twitter reactions and fan backlash. Modern writers are hyper-aware of social media and incorporate awful meta-writings to please the mindless mob. They are afraid that if they wrote Sokka as sexist then they will be accused of being sexist. That’s why the drama is so bland because they don’t want to get cancel by introducing something controversial. They’re not artist, they are corporate employees.

@agramuglia

3 ай бұрын

Twitter is a fairly small minority of their audience. I don't think they minded it so much as alienating any of their audience

This is why I think Kataang won't become canon (age gaps are extremely taboo in some fandom circles)

@user-ny1wo1vp9r

Ай бұрын

Funny thing is kataang haters often ship zutara, but they also have the same age gap.

@truteal

Ай бұрын

@@user-ny1wo1vp9r Katara and Zuko are teenagers, Aang's just a kid

Just one?

The thing that kinda bums me out So One Piece suffered from truncating a lot of its B plot and minor things because we are trying to shove 60 episodes of anime, into about I think 8 episodes of tv. Thats a lot of material lost even if the tone isn't too far off from what Netflix's writing strengths tend to be or at least is material that isn't just alergic to Netflix writeing. Bebop had it a little better in terms of run time because it had I think 10 episodes of an hour long each, so its compatible in length to bebop or isn't that much shorter than the anime, but the material.... jesus christ. Maybe stick to smaller brain anime with less challenging themes and complicated ideas. in theory Avatar should be perfect THey don't have to like... speculate on why people like X anime instead of Y for nebulous cultural reasons because its an American show and these are all ideas that we can quantify in marketing and taste pretty well. The themes and ideas arnt really too crazy, a child could basically pick up on whats going on even if they don't know what the word genocide means and are several years away from hearing that as a vocabulary word and the run time is pretty close 8 episodes that are an hour long vs 20 episodes of 22 mins, I think the Netflix show might even have a little more time. Cut some of the fat like the valley crossing episode and some pro asian casting choices and we have a winner! but they just insist on making low quality slop that just barely passes the bar for "acceptable I guess" Man... remember when we used to hope these things would be good instead of cheering for "Bad but could have been worse"?

@RockmariomkiZX

3 ай бұрын

To be fair though, the One Piece anime does drastically pad itself with filler; to the point that One Pace exists explicitly for the purpose of going through it in a more faithful manner to the manga. With the One Pace watch list, it turns it from 20 hours to almost half that in One Pace, and about the same speed in the live action. I think the Live Action One Piece serves as a pretty good “newbie friendly” or palatable introduction to One Piece; since barring the Marine subplot speeding the introduction of Garp, the changes serve to improve the flow of the anime. There is a caveat that it would have been cool to see Luffy and Sanji take on Don Krieg, but implementing Arlong as a persistent threat and presence early makes the transition into Arlong Park a bit smoother; and creates a bit of tension for the encounter. Granted, I’m someone who saw the Live Action first and the anime second.

@MangaDungeon

3 ай бұрын

@@RockmariomkiZX One Piece has relitively little filler and what filler is dose have is usually praised for being about on par with the rest of the canon material Unlike Naruto that has filler arcs that are bad, One Piece will slow things down. so its canon material mostly but veryyyyyyy slowwwwwww and it ironically started with the Davy Back Fight. they got hit with the Slow Slow fruit and never recovered

Show has not yet been released, than any “huge problem” detected is just an exercise of futurelogy and pure speculation, at most a matter of perspective. From my perspective, every information released so far indicates that the showrunners are making very conscious decisions and the show seems very promising to me. Well, just few days now to finally know for sure.

@missAlice1990

3 ай бұрын

They are only interested in spectacle. Fights and bending effects. Character development? What is that? Sure, they're good at choosing their words while justifying all the changes so you think "wow, these guys definitely thought everything through" but it's an illusion. I'm not necessarily talking about Kim or other writers. Might be that they understand the assignment but they have to do what the studio wants. And corporations seem to think people are mainly interested in action and visuals.

Imagine basing your channel content off misinformation and jumping on a hate bandwagon before the show isn’t even out yet. 🤨

this is what happens when the worst of 2010s Tumblr get together to write a live action version of Avatar

@emeerdanvers8090

4 ай бұрын

Yep 👍

@TheNobleFive

3 ай бұрын

2010s Tumbler was obsessed with the character writing and personal growth in Avatar to the point where they were theorizing about stuff that wasn't there and obsessing over romantic pairings that could never work. This feels like the opposite. People that want to stuff melodrama and stoic characters into every miniseries and wonder why no one relates to them.

@Dudeman9339

3 ай бұрын

This is the PRECISE opposite of that. This is production completely ignoring the creators of the original. This is just nostalgia bait. But hey... keep using "tumblr" to mean gay...

@OrionAnakaris

3 ай бұрын

I disagree. Albert Kim is not from the 2010 Tumblr Gen, he's a product of the early 2000's Network TV stooge system, where Execs would tell writers to jump & the writers would ask "how high".

Neat

If they kept everything in from the show, the kid playing Aang will be COLLECTING A PENSION by the time we get to "Aang Vs. Ozai." The show ain't even out yet.

@MrSophire

3 ай бұрын

First it’s dumb to try recreating a lighting in a bottle. A new story taking place in that world would be amazing. Second they are changing a character story to a plot story. Major difference.

@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247

3 ай бұрын

@@MrSophire Right? Hell, Steven Spielberg turned three mediocre books into good movies by pulling their guts out and rebuilding from the ground-up. Namely "Jaws," "Jurassic Park" and "Ready Player One."

It's going to be terrible, because the studio that produced it is FULLY captured by DEI.

@TheNobleFive

3 ай бұрын

Lol

For God so loved the world have gaved his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life John 3:16

I always wanted to say this... First

Way to click bait

@SaiyanHeretic

4 ай бұрын

It's only "click bait" if what's in the title/thumbnail isn't actually representative of what the article/video is about.

@derpy501st2

4 ай бұрын

@@SaiyanHeretic he’s click baiting

@shelbyherring92

4 ай бұрын

​@@derpy501st2 So you're saying, "I didn't watch the full video" without saying it, I see.

@TheVeritas1

3 ай бұрын

@@shelbyherring92 Bingo.

@KazeShikamaru

3 ай бұрын

How is this clickbait?