Btw, Simon was a sorcerer. His spellcasting was clumsy because he didn't have self-confidence

One of my fav movies of that year, I like the more personal stakes in a big world, instead of raising the stakes to high just for explosions

Jeremy Irons phoning it in has always been the only thing carrying that other D&D movie.

@SpiderandMosquito

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't consider that "phoning it in"

@ashannaredwolf8485

2 ай бұрын

That’s because Jeremy Irons phoning it in is still better than the rest of the cast doing their best.

@00mongoose

2 ай бұрын

Hamming it up and phoning it in are not the same.

@ashannaredwolf8485

2 ай бұрын

@@00mongoose yes.

Something I think about the movie that makes it stand out to other modern fantasy movies and shows is that its a legit funny movie, but it manages to do it without that tone of "Man, isn't it weird how our world works?" that takes you out of the movie. It also helps that its a fantasy movie that doesn't try to hard to feel serious and moody. Also, I was gonna debate you and saw Shart was best girl, but you played the clip and I knew I was beat

The whole controversy with D&D’s OGL reminded me of how Bethesda tried (and still is trying to, apparently) make people pay for mods for Skyrim. Companies trying to monopolize fan or creator driven projects using that use their stuff is always an interesting thing to see as it shows just how greedy companies can get.

@Gloomdrake

2 ай бұрын

It’s especially scummy because neither company releases finished games in the first place. Though D&D at least has the excuse that the players doing all the work is the point of the genre

Hell yeah Shannara mentioned. Even aside from being a lifelong D&D fan and this movie capturing that vibe really well, this movie perfectly captured the feeling of watching Krull for the first time as a kid, a movie I still love to this day.

I don't care about lore, just give me great characters, Chris Pine was amazing in this movie. Some fantasy plots is just boring exposition

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

Fully agree. There are some fantasy films that are 80% exposition and it just gets exhausting. You can build lore through action.

Truly a travesty how poorly this performed, wish it could’ve been released in late summer, then it could’ve taken advantage of the gap after barbenheimer and the hype from BG3

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, releasing it post BG3 would have been very smart from a business move, but i can see people asking "Wait, but where's Shadowheart?"

@danielramsey6141

2 ай бұрын

@@agramuglia Yeah, maybe they should’ve. But truthfully, the Film had already slated to come out on a defined release date, and it’s pretty damn Sad. Cause holding it back for a Month or 2 would damage the money that comes in too. If you know Greed, you know they are all in on self-preservation. Hasbro makes me worry. I can’t deny that my desire to see more Power Rangers shows is also in jeopardy due to their need to balloon their Sales Quotas. And the fact that D&D is suffering under Hasbro and WOTC’s, I can’t help but wonder where things will go from here, or if they’ll die and stagnant like other properties I was a fan of back in the 90s!

I know this is before I finish the video, so I don't know if you bring it up yet, but I will always be angry that this wasn't bigger.

@arkenn3497

2 ай бұрын

So am I I watched the Mario movie the next day after this one and I like the D&D movie better

@petrasbirthdaygoblinhoney4565

9 күн бұрын

Tbh it released at such a bad time. Right on the heels of the OGL debacle so a lot of D&D fans opted not to see it in theatres, plus big films like the mario movie released around the same time

I just rewatched D&D:HAT movie last night. Showed it to my mom, and she liked it.

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

My parents, who typically hate sci-fi and fantasy, even enjoyed it. Good storytelling transcends genre.

I think the OGL debacle around its release didn't help. However it seems like everyone who has seen it has liked it. Director said a sequal isn’t out of possibly, just would need a lower budget. Everyone I've seen think that is fine.

@mothralord1709

9 күн бұрын

I literally didnt watch it in the cinemas even though i wanted to due to the wizards of the coast fiasco

This movie was a pleasant suprise. A movie I didnt think much of going in but when I watched it, it was smart, clever, and funny. I just couldn't understand why alot of people hated it but loved The super Mario bros movie, a movie that wasn't funny and lacked a cohesive plot in comparison.

I miss the fat dragon 🐉

Until the day I die, I will defend the first D&D movie as nearly perfect. It was an onscreen representation of every half assed weekend game of D&D that every experienced player has ever been in. I've been in THAT campaign. You've been in THAT campaign. It was pure. The only thing that would have made it truly perfect would have been to add a scene at the very end where the camera fades from the fantasy world to a table with books, dice, papers and half eaten pizza as all the actors in regular clothes start packing up and asking about the next session.

@ajerqureshi6411

Ай бұрын

I think a reason the first DnD movie is often considered a travesty aside from its objectively bad filmmaking stuff (lackluster effects and sets and bad acting for example) is that it didn’t feel like a GOOD DnD game in general…it felt more like all those DnD horror stories crept in an invaded the narrative… Things like a player character being the solo main attention and other characters are just there…heck the dwarf character just felt like a random player that joined in several sessions late and wasn’t given any direction on what kind of character they wanted to make. Even the plot feels much more railroaded.

Also Chris Pines "Champion of Failures" speech is my favorite monolog in several years.

Great video dude. I'm glad I wasn't the only person who thought it swung FAR above it's weight/budget. Definitely a confluence of factors conspired against it, which I think you covered pretty well - but personally, I felt another big one was the fact there was almost *no* promotion for it. Advertising/promotion campaigns can cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and I can't help but suspect that Hasbro didn't want to commit and (in their eyes) risk more money on it. I think that if it *had* gotten a big advertising push, and more/better trailers then I think it could have been a success. It really felt like it honestly had something entertaining for the whole family, and D&D fans and non-fans alike, and it was a shame to see it be considered a "flop".

I saw the Jeremey Irons one in theaters when it came out, I dont think I played D&D then tho. I watched Honor Among Thieves in theaters this time around after 15 years of playing and it was soo good. I laughed, I cried, I recognized easter eggs. I dont think I need a whole D&D cinematic universe, but it was still great

My two cents, much like the Warcraft movie from a couple years ago (that I personally also found really fun and would declare that a cult movie despite not knowing much of anything of warcraft) I think people got too use to fantasy being gritty "realistic" like LOTR/Game of thrones that they forgot for the longest time, that was not what the fantasy genre was and that fantasy can be fun, and bright, and colorful and not always needing to be broody political machinations and sex and monologues about politics with Mortal Kombat violence as people are brutally massacred.

i was actually surprised how dnd:hat really did feel like someone's dnd section. i don't think anything will capture the feeling more than introducing an aarakocra npc named jarnathan. and you're so right. karlach IS best girl

I was there Gandalf...I was there in the theater when the first Dungeons and Dragons movie came out. Young and naïve I was, I thought I would be seeing some fun filled fantasy film, little did I know I would be treated to one of the worst fantasy films of all time.

oh no I've been reminded that the Dragonlance animated movies exist

Did it flop? Thats unfortunate, because it was actually a really good movie.

I think the biggest problem of the film was that it lacks a distinct personality. I know people would hate to hear this, but the film needed someone who would make it their own. A Michael Bay, Zack Snyder, Gore Verbinski, James Wan, Guillermo Del Toro or any filmmaker who makes every film their own. The film.is good but I feel there is a ceiling with the talent pool making the film

also The Gamers Dorkness Rising is the greatest d&d movie ever made

@danielramsey6141

2 ай бұрын

Hehe 😂 oh yeah, that is a cheesy, but funny as hell!

@ashannaredwolf8485

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 100%

@ZiggyBraids

2 ай бұрын

facts

I want a movie adaptation of the Saturday morning cartoon. A sequel series like what X-Men 97 is doing would be ok as well

I know I'm more than a little biased, but honestly, from the opening montage, this movie felt like going home. Again, die hard forgotten realms fan here, but I love the world and it was very gratifying to see it on screen. Makes me nostalgic for a world I've never been too outside of my minds eye

Only really criticism i have is i feel another crew member would have elevated it especially since xenk is only really in the second act.

For the shapeshifter chase sequence. They would have to map out the entire city of NeverWinter just to give an arial view of the city.

i like the dragonlance movie. yes its cheesy. but its fun

I really enjoyed this movie, and if there are more that come later, I can only hope it can expand on that and make it even better

I forget how many times I saw it in theaters!

Aw man I remember the Dragonlance movie, good times. They nailed Rasalin XD I also liked the 3rd D&D Movie and would make the bold claim it's actually pretty good as far as grimdark shlocky fantasy goes. I'll raise you one bit of lost media though. Who else remembers the trailer for the cancelled Spelljammer TV series?

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

....there was supposed to be a Spelljammer TV series? That I need to check out.

2:00 -- I quite liked this film. It is shame that there were no further films in this series.

I couldn't hear anything. Was too distracted by the hair. j/k good vid. #JusticeForJarnathan

It was great experience at theater & i was about to skip but i convinced someone to join me to watch. Well she enjoyed it a lot & she thought it look uninterested but i think she might had thought it was dumb at 1st.

Wrath of the Dragon was technically better as a D&D film but was worse because of Sci-Fi Channel QC. The Dragonlance film broke my heart… The D&D choose your own adventure movie is fun. The Gamers: Dorkness rising is still one of my favorite “D&D Movies”

I don't think Warcraft gets nearly as much credit as it deserves. My gf, who isn't big on fantasy outside of Xena and Harry Potter, loved it. I enjoyed it, as well

Actually Mario came out months dungeons and dragons I think

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

It came out shortly after in America

I know its not in the purview of your typical format and focus, but I would be interested in hearing more of your opinions on ttrpgs. Comment offering for the algorithm

@agramuglia

Ай бұрын

I have a TON of opinions. And honestly, i think i can figure out a few ways to focus it into a video or two

@brendantuthill6491

Ай бұрын

@@agramuglia Cool! I'll be in the lookout for them, and thanks for the interesting videos

If John Francis Daley & Jonathan Goldstein end up directing the next Spider-Man moviee, I'll say this movie was a success.

I loved it, it was awesome.

I freaking loved this movie, it was so good! I know the D&D audience is a little niche but I have to imagine that the OGL drama did not help things. I really wish it had gotten that general audience appeal, because I recon anybody who liked the first Guardians of the Galaxy would have enjoyed this.

Your content is great! Keep it up!!

Hope against hope that somehow Larian decides to and gets the rights too (with a bigger share of the pie) makes IWD3 and includes some easter eggs for the D&D movie that get anybody in the gaming crowd who hasn't already seen it to go see the movie and give it a second life.

I love this film. Shame it flopped. :(

I liked it. I'd watch another if it was of comparable quality. Hasbro isnt great and WotC bungled a bunch of things around that time, so the fact the movie came out as good as it did and still performed poorly is a shame.

Uh, didn't know this bombed, me and my family watched and loved it

It wasnt that bad i actually enjoyed it . The best attempt at a d&d movie so far besides book of vile darkness which is my favorite

I did not love the DnD movie because it struck me as both extremely typical and extremely safe, while sanding off many of the most interesting aspects of the DnD experience for the sake of reaching a broader audience. However, I will still bemoan its failure at the box office, for indicating to Wizards that they either can't make a successful DnD movie, or if they do, it will have to be even more aggressively generic and cynical than this one. I am just glad BG3, a much truer representative of DnD's inherent weirdness, was massively more successful.

Only thing I don’t see where you coming from is that rings of power take.

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

That it's just mediocre?

@KazeAizen

2 ай бұрын

@@agramuglia yeah. Thought it was solid. Not great. But that’s just me.

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

@@KazeAizen valid! I don't hate it and i think a lot of the hate is overblown, but the longer it went on, the less i liked it. Will still give Season 2 a chance though

I saw the trailer& it looked kinda meh idk might check it out if it’s on streaming.

I never played dnd but had a lot of fun watching humor among thieves. Im sure I'd enjoy actually playing if i ever got around to it

Funny that you had pot of greedy from yu-gi-oh! In this video. Did you know that Konami are making it so that foreigners can’t play in yu-gi-oh! Tournaments in Japan and I wish I was kidding.

Yes, not because of the movie but because of what WOTC had tried to do earlier that year

I'm more of a GURPS GURPS Guy myself

Honor Among Thieves is a masterclass in how not to make a movie. Basically every creative choice is a mistake, and many of them for no clear reason.

I know you are showing "Book of Vile Darkness" like it was a bad joke of a movie, but it was probably the best one of the original 3 that I can think of. It felt like watching a SYFY channel movie, but sometimes the story and plot of those campy movies is good enough that the special effects and cheesy acting can be ignored enough to make it enjoyable. I dunno, I loved it (almost more so than "Honor Among Thieves"), and still enjoy it to this day.

I loved this one. A shame it flopped.

Yes, such delightful, three dimensional characters, whose names I can't remember so I will designate them by their classes: Bard: The protagonist. The person whose motivation drives the story, because no one else has any. Barbarian: She's stupid. Sorceror: He's incompetent. Paladin: He's a paladin. Druid: She's not a druid. She's used for one visually pleasing set piece, and does nothing for the rest of the film. The movie flopped because it was TERRIBLE, because the audience rightly understood that you can't build a film out of gags and Easter eggs.

Good video

The d&d movie was always going to flop because the d&d community is niche, and people do not go to pay for movies in theaters anymore even for projects that would’ve normally done well pre-covid. They all just wait for them to hit streaming since an average movie ticket will be $20+ min pre-snacks or other extras. D&d being niche meant the general audience had no real connection to it and there was no real word of mouth propelling others to go out and watch. The only movies that seem to do well now in theaters post covid are films with some sort of audience attachment built in or strong “word of mouth” potential. Which is why every movie seems to be a remake, part of a franchise, or full of buzzing celeb actors/shock value to dive personal marketing

Damn the original dnd film looks good.

I loved the movie, and don't think it deserved to flop, but jesus putting it up next to the Mario movie all but guaranteed it would flop. Frankly id rather WoTC and Hasbro flop and fuck off

5:10. Oh Jesus Christ. Here we Go with this Argument about Humor, and the Weedonisms that Joss Whedon made. LISTEN! Joss Weedon didn’t Create that Form of Humor! BUDDY COP Movies Did! Tango & Cash! Lethal Weapon! “I Come In PEACE!” Those Films are Big Action Films that Punchuated that type Humor and Commentary at times! But All had Their own Tones! The Reason why the Humor Works so Well In the Marvel Films, was that it was written with the Intent at Giving these Characters with Massive Comic book histories A lot more Expression and Character! Even Chris Hemsworth admits that Without those Comedic Elements, he Would Drop out of the Thor Movies Immediately! It was Avengers and Even Joss Weedon who saw the Potential of Thor to be a Guy who loves to be abit fun even though he has a Fantastical and Rather Serious Responsibilities that weigh on him. The D&D:HAT shouldn’t be disregarded for doing this either! If Peter Jackson can get away with putting some light Buddy Cop Humor in the Film with Gimli for most of his scenes to prove how much of a Badass he is, or to just have him endure some shenanigans from his current situation. Then We all Can be fine with how Marvel has allowed some humor to fill their movies. None of the Films are bad, I can’t say the same for the Quality control on some of their tv offerings, “Secret Invasion” being the Headliner for True disappointment there.

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

I don't disagree here. And I don't think that humor is necessarily a bad thing. I think poorly used humor is. Thor Ragnorak DOES NOT use humor poorly. I think it works really well.

Good movie. Terrible D&D. The main character is not a Bard, he's just some doofus with a lute. The druid isn't a druid, she's an animorph. The sorcerer is some kind of schrodingers cat of being either a sorcerer or a wizard and I don't think even the writers knew which. The paladin is also not a paladin, just some dude with a sword. And the barbarian, never uses Rage. This is a good movie but it is not a D&D movie.

You thought D&D was absolutely fantastic?😂😂😂

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was a solid film that accomplished what it set out to do

@damianpatterson9363

2 ай бұрын

@@agramuglia What is it exactly that you think it set out to do?

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

@@damianpatterson9363 be a solid fantasy adventure story

Definitely deserved to flop, it was cringy.

I watched it. I'm new to the game. The effects are great the cast is great. The only things I disliked about it, some of the races don't look right like the bird guy they use to try to escape the prison, and cat people the guy saved the kid of. And tbh too many human cast, the druid was something not human with the horns and barely noticeable tail. And the one woman might be orcish but no body paint. Other than that it was great.

The promotion of this movie is "we gonna emasculate men" "isn't it great we emasculating men?" "We're so progressive to have an emasculated man as our protagonist" If this movie really did flop, good

@agramuglia

2 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

@corbanbausch9049

2 ай бұрын

I remember that…but the fact is that’s not what happened in the movie itself (unless you count apologizing for your mistakes and realizing the need for help as “emasculating”)and also… Go take your culture war “oMg iT’s WoKe” BS somewhere else you media illiterate, paranoid, controversy-chasing pseudo intellectual. Learn how to actually consume media in an intelligent manner.