"Astrophysicists are the most humble scientists" - Neil deGrasse Tyson, an astrophysicist

@purepeter4737

11 ай бұрын

His lack of self awareness is hilarious. Such a bellend

@XnonTheGodd

11 ай бұрын

The irony

@Gruso57

8 ай бұрын

This is an underrated comment lol

@pikupixel5094

7 ай бұрын

Lmaooo, I get a feeling he's thinking of his peers and his idols when he says that, not himself

@madgoonproductions8406

5 ай бұрын

Depends on your definition of humble lol. He might think he’s the most important human to ever exist while also knowing that human toil is insignificant when juxtaposed against the vastness of the universe.

Neil is probably the easiest person to interview: just ask him a question and watch him go.

@diegog1853

11 ай бұрын

I suppose it depends of what you want out of your interview, if you want just to get someone to talk as much as possible. Definitely. If you want to get some specific information, get to some important points, maybe challenge some opinions in detail. Then not at all lol

@ashantilematthew6277

11 ай бұрын

@@diegog1853 You get a lot of specific information about important points from Niel. That is not an issue. So if you are saying he gives you too much, then maybe. But he is going on there to talk.

@Anjalena

11 ай бұрын

Robin Williams used to do that, take over the interview, but it was much more entertaining.

@ashantilematthew6277

11 ай бұрын

@@Anjalena #1. Robin Williams was a comedian/actor/ entertainer. #2. He was white so he didn't trigger your racism.

@Algeanie3

10 ай бұрын

Me, literally me

Neil is the sort of guy that even in an infinite amount of universes, there isn't one universe where he wouldn't interrupt you.

@RootBoyJim

Жыл бұрын

Motivation. Computers Don't Care About Anything.

@AlanWinterboy

Жыл бұрын

I was just going to write that, lol😀. He's the worst when he's in a panel of his peers. Bearable one on one.

@ominous-omnipresent-they

Жыл бұрын

Which is pretty goddamn impressive, to say the least.

@misterocain

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that what a good interview should be, i.e. the guest doing most the talking as long as he/she sticks to topic? Too many interviews are high jacked by the interviewer.

@TheMoonKingdom

Жыл бұрын

@@misterocain No, he is filibustering so the interviewer can't ask followup questions to challenge is ideas. I happen to agree with Neil's, perspective, but come on:)

Neil is the type to ask you to help him with something, then just make you watch him do all the work.

@ac1646

11 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@florisramaekers2362

6 ай бұрын

Hahahahahah 😂 this is so true im like that too tho so it was a moment where you held a mirror up to me friend

@rohanking12able

5 ай бұрын

I'd be asking questions the whole way and probably learn allot

@waido_

2 ай бұрын

I’ve gotten paid for doing that kind of “work” before, so I wouldn’t actually mind🤣

So nice of you to let Neil interview himself

@DANGJOS

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣😂

@carnivoroussarah

Жыл бұрын

Lol Alex trying to butt in

@whatsup300

Жыл бұрын

You're a cliché

@anikultra2525

Жыл бұрын

U just hate him cause u r rasist and he's black. Neil has accomplish in science u and your generation will never get.

@peterm1240

Жыл бұрын

I have seen Cosmic skeptic interrupt before. Did he forget how to do it?

Great video alex! I hope you get to speak to Neil deGrasse Tyson soon!

@joannalewis5279

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@allmodcons2274

8 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@lifeisstr4nge

7 ай бұрын

underrated comment :D

Neil is the kind of guy that will wake you up to tell you he's going to sleep.

@Rerum_Novarum

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@Longtack55

Жыл бұрын

Wake up Alex, it's time for your sleeping pill.

@x97s

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@reinforcedpenisstem

Жыл бұрын

What does that mean?

@JaguarBST

Жыл бұрын

@@reinforcedpenisstem he is saying he finds NDT very annoying and obnoxious

Neil’s passion and excitement for these subjects have reached conversationally uncontainable levels 😂 and I love it!

@Maximustard

Жыл бұрын

He’s a shill

@uku4171

Жыл бұрын

exactly lol

@ljubomirjuraj9658

Жыл бұрын

​@@Maximustard oh no, ppl shilling science and education, how horrible. This comment was brought to you by raid shadow legends. Like wtf is even the problem.

@Kroban_d4c

Жыл бұрын

Nah that isnt "passion", just because you are passionate about smth doesnt mean you have the right to be this fucking unhinged. Hes a fucking r-*ard, he constantly interrupts everyone because he loves to smell his own farts and his ego makes him think hes on a way superior level than everyone else, he literally ignores what the other person is saying while acting extremely condescending like if the other person has the brain of a child compared to him

@Limanknol

5 ай бұрын

@@ljubomirjuraj9658 raid shadow legends?

I've never seen someone whose skill at delivering one-sided speeches is so vastly different than their ability to hold 2-way conversations.

@Dann-md9eq

Жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate that further? I don't quite understand

@garywood97

Жыл бұрын

@@Dann-md9eq Neil is great at giving speeches, and really sucks at having conversations.

@activistbook3809

Жыл бұрын

@@garywood97 he's great at conversations 🙄 watch the show.

@sownheard

Жыл бұрын

Imagen inviting a person and than being surprised that person is himself. 1 Neil would not be invited if his personality wasn't so outspoken. 2 If you want to interrupt him you still can.

@somedudeok1451

Жыл бұрын

I think it's charming in a way Plus, he did respond to the host's questions. Just in a lengthy way that highlights possible trails of thought you could run the question down.

Alex : It seems experts in the field feel that AI could be an existential threat to humans. Neil: We'll just turn it off.

@onyxrafle8066

Жыл бұрын

Terminator hunting you? Just say no.

@somedudeok1451

Жыл бұрын

It's a bit like trying to turn off the internet. Sure, we could do it with a big amount of effort, but we won't.

@mordin999

Жыл бұрын

Neil view on AI seem a bit naive. First there is no shifting goal posts, but mainly confusion about rapid evolution in the field AI. As impressive as all recent advancement seem, we are still talking about narrow AI which is in a sense is still a very elaborate calculator, a tool. The fear is about artificial General intelligence (AGI) and ultimately ASI. The concerns are that (1) We begin to see sparks of AGI (2) We do not understand how AI work any more than we understand our own brains, nor what constitutes consciousness, and likely will not be able to tell when or if AI passed the singularity threshold (3) there are a lot of incentives to developed AI, from the usual economic incentives to global power arm race, which may result in AGI created intentionally or unintentionally. (4) Contrary to Neil claim, we already building AI robots including in human form, form companionship to military application. (5) many AI systems are given autonomus functions and are able to collect information from the outside world not just the internet. (6) AI are being integrated into more and more system to deal with vast amount of data, arguably an AI integrated into something like Chinese extensive surveillance would be as close possible to omnipotence. (*) btw to expand on #3 even current narrow AI can exacerbate many problems on the internet (from your usual scams to disinformation, propaganda) and it becomes much more accessible, able to run by anyone on any laptop (lets see you turning that off) and without any safety measures. err.. I kinda runoff here no time to improve I am already in the tldr area sorry

@ChristianIce

Жыл бұрын

@@mordin999 Daily reminder that AGI doesn't exist yet, not one single line of working code has been written.

@pooglechen3251

Жыл бұрын

ChatGPT is just a server some where. You think you can't turn of Google, but you can

What a time to be alive, having grown up with Alex and his channel. All of these guests, and the history his channel has; thus leaving his mark on this platform, and taking us for the ride. Which is quite remarkable.

I can't believe that NGT actually apologised for interrupting at 24:48 😳😳😳

@oneiroagent

Жыл бұрын

😳

@lukasszlaur6246

18 күн бұрын

no way

Nice! Good to see how quickly you have drawn large names to the podcast. You are already easily one of the best interviewers out there.

@MrSnoots

Жыл бұрын

That's a huge overstatement.

@Johnnybsknees

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSnoots it's a subjective statement, and I hold to it. He and Glenn Loury are my 2 favorite interviewers and for similar reasons: both are able to well state their opponents' views or just views they don't hold in order to get the most out of the interviewee.

@dwaynekeenum1916

8 ай бұрын

@@MrSnootsdumb

Very serious experts are very concerned about existential risks from AI. You should interview Paul Christiano, former head of OpenAI's large language model team and current head of the Alignment Research Center. You could also interview Robert Miles (runs *the best* KZread channel on AI risk), Richard Ngo (on OpenAI's governance team), Ajeya Cotra (Senior Research Analyst at Open Philanthropy), or Kelsey Piper (journalist at Vox). They are all knowledgeable/expert enough to have very fruitful conversations about AI risk.

@user-md3wm7vu1f

Жыл бұрын

I'm no AI specialist but I think its pretty likely there's at least some reason to be concerned because it is genuinely very different from past technological revolutions. This is the first time we will have a highly generalized intelligence as opposed to something more specialized like a calculator or computer. Due to generalized, autonomous intelligence (or at least semi-autonomous initially) it definitely seems to be possible that programming it not to do something wont be enough once it reaches a certain point because it will probably be able to override anything and it will be far more intelligent in every way than anything that's ever lived on earth, making it very hard to predict what its capabilities, motivations, or intentions will be (if it goes on to develop any). AND it will be capable of increasing its own intelligence - to what level, who knows The ai threat is also easier to accidentally stumble into than something like nuclear annihilation because of the less-explicit danger, the exponential progression, and much greater unknowns involved as higher levels of complexity are reached. A nuclear apocalypse is also survivable by humans, the majority would just die off and a small population would live underground. On the other hand, just about nothing would be able to hide from a sufficiently advanced ai

@cookiecan10

Жыл бұрын

Alex should try to interview someone like Robert Miles, who has been creating educational KZread videos about AI risks for years. Even appeared on Computerphile a couple times.

@LevellerTV

Жыл бұрын

@@cookiecan10 Great suggestion! Huge fan of Robert Miles; just edited my original comment.

@LevellerTV

Жыл бұрын

@@user-md3wm7vu1f Great points, I second pretty much everything you said. I'll add that scientists fail to predict how quickly technologies will advance -- all the time. A particularly stark example was Enrico Fermi thinking that a sustained nuclear fission reaction was 50 years off... just a few short years before he accomplished it himself. This is important because one way people assuage themselves and dismiss existential AI risks is by saying artificial general intelligence is "at least 50 years off," as though even that is enough time. I'll probably make a video about AI risk on my channel at some point.

@bengeorge9063

Жыл бұрын

Or interview Yoshua Benugio.

One of the most difficult things about being human is realizing that we are both comically small, and one of the largest living things in the known universe. It's both. We are small, and we are big.

its honestly really refreshing and inspiring to hear someone talk so passionatly as neil does here- also i feel like neil is answering more the questions of the viewers rather than the questions of cosmic. hes just another listener like us rn hehe

I've never seen Tyson give a good long-form interview. He tries to convey deep philosophical insights, while also seemingly making them up on the spot, and never allows for good back-and-forth dialogue.

@TheAxeter

Жыл бұрын

To be fair this was an interview, you can clearly tell that this is not a debate format. Interviews are normally meant to extract information from the person you are interviewing

@thomasthompson6378

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAxeter Much of the time, you will have noticed -- surely? -- that NGT most of the time refused to let Alex O'Connor finish his question before NGT was off and running with another windy soliloquy.

@gregw322

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, NDT is the worst at communicating ideas.

@georgesos

Жыл бұрын

In ancient Greece they called this kind of people Sofistes. Half knowledgeable, self promoting. I never liked the guy and multiple times I ve heard inaccurate or just wrong things from his mouth. He is good at faking the scientist. But he is not one.

@TheAxeter

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasthompson6378 yeah he definitely did, maybe he's just too excited, it seems to be a flaw of his but I'm not perfect either. I do appreciate that he didn't dodge the questions at all.

Awesome collab! Alex’s channel and brand is growing I love it

The last 10 minutes of this podcast are the most illuminating - Neil for the win!

24:49 Woah, he actually apologized for interrupting, and he does seem to be letting the interviewer speak for some time. I wonder if someone talked to him about his tendencies.

@someoneelse3456

Жыл бұрын

Brief flash of self-awareness

@johannhuman532

4 ай бұрын

Alex is pushing his worry in the discussion even though Neil has stated numerous times that it is not the way he's looking at this. So I am not surprised that Neil reminds Alex about that.

I really like Neal and his insight is fascinating. I just wish he would let others talk and direct the conversation more.

@Firehazard159

Жыл бұрын

I mean, aren't we here to hear from the interviewee, not the interviewer?

@whoisandrewblack5679

Жыл бұрын

@@Firehazard159 isn’t the interviewee there to be entertaining and not threatening? Your complaint cuts both ways

@j8acob1

Жыл бұрын

​@@Firehazard159 Isn't the point of a podcast to have a 2 sided conversation? I'd find it more interesting if Neal engaged with Alex without being arogent and controlling

@sansoucie1969

9 ай бұрын

@j8acob1 @Firehazard159 @whoisandrewblack5679 @stevem83 One thing was said in these comments with which I agree: "I really like Neal and his insight is fascinating." The rest is gobbledygook (had to spellcheck that) Apart from entertainment, the intention of the interviewer is to challenge the guest. The degree to which the guest is threatening, "arogent" or controlling, is the failure of the interviewer. However, I think that Alex did just fine, because he seems to me, to be agnostic to the assertions.

@oh-cx7dr

8 ай бұрын

@@whoisandrewblack5679 threatening??

Alex, thanks for this episode. For one who loves Astronomy, I enjoyed it. You're doing a great job, Man.

Loved this conversation!! Wish it took longer!

The passion with which Neil talks is quite admirable, and a bit silly when it comes out in funny way too :) Some people mistake it for arrogance, unfortunately, and supposedly miss some outstanding points he made.

@raymondcava4669

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@gregw322

Жыл бұрын

He’s unquestionably an arrogant person.

@willashland4597

Жыл бұрын

NDT is absolutely arrogant and condescending, and suffers from a massively inflated ego. He really used "I've written over 50,000 lines of code" as a qualifier to speak on AI while saying that Elon Musk wasn't qualified to speak on it. As somebody who has probably written close to one million lines of code, and has worked with neural net models and machine learning software directly, I am of the opinion that Neil is out of his depth here and should have some more humility in this area. His cosmology credentials have zero to do with machine learning or AI.

@PettenVeevo

Жыл бұрын

@@willashland4597 but 14:50 he said the very opposite with this number: " I'm not an expert, okay, hold aside that I've written 50 000 lines of computer code and I've been thinking about computers my whole life, I don't present myself as an expert "

@nattokami9598

Жыл бұрын

@@willashland4597 writing a million lines of code must have fried your brain because he literally said he wasn’t a qualified expert after that.

Alex speaks 7.13mins in total of this 44.45min podcast. That's 16% of Alex; 84% of NDG.

@thegoodlord6518

Жыл бұрын

How did you count?

@radioactivedetective6876

Жыл бұрын

I salute your diligence

@jt9300

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you had a very fruitful bout of boredom😂

@cagnazzo82

Жыл бұрын

Well technically he's doing an interview. He's not the one being interviewed.

@danicrazyfingers

Жыл бұрын

I still think NGT kept interrupting Alex more than I find desirable.

*Great Interview! Cant wait for more videos like this!*

One of the things that occurs to me when it comes to world ending threats that I would like to see more discussion on, is how to deal with people who have ideas/perspectives that are different to your own. It seems to me the biggest issue is passionate people fighting first and asking questions second.

Super cool that you were able to do this!

I wonder how many thought provoking perspectives NDT misses out on because he doesn't let anyone else speak and engage with them in a proper back and forth conversation.

@roberthereandthere4366

Жыл бұрын

What a load of rubbish. He makes the most of his time available to him to share his educational experience he has with us. It's all limited time.

@feedback1204

Жыл бұрын

​@@roberthereandthere4366 ah yes, that's why he talks about mice in basements in his book instead of poverty (which he actively didn't choose to put in there because "there wasn't enough to write about"). Neil is maybe smart, but he's also egotistical, illogical, ideologically blended and not that great of a guy. I would summarise him as an average but well educated redditor.

@NotLordAsshat

Жыл бұрын

​@@roberthereandthere4366 Hi teacher I'd like to learn about "a"and how it relates to "b" and "c" Teacher: "I'm so glad you asked, I'm going to exclusively talk about 'b' the next 45 minutes and maybe mention those other two if it happens to come to my mind randomly"

@peterm1240

Жыл бұрын

@@NotLordAsshat Yeah, that sounds right for an Asshat

@jacobus57

Жыл бұрын

​@@roberthereandthere4366 that's hilarious. NdGT is insufferable.

Great chat. NGT can sure talk...and I love it. Lovely discussion thank you.

Amazing interview as always Cosmic!

very very intresting guest Alex. Thanks for all of the value you are providing to us.

44:30 Total highlight of the conversation. So true. Includes almost everyone.

@irrelevant_noob

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely true. And i don't think the "almost" is really needed... even if someone _knows_ about their lens/biases (which is quite rare IMO), there's not much they can actually do about it.

I respect Neil a lot, he's dont a bunch of good education work. But damn man is it impossible to have a conversation with him. I never get to hear his thoughts or ideas beyond the surface level because he never lets ppl get there. Nice try Alex

@peterm1240

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't help that he talking to someone who is clearly not trained in science.

@basedmase777

Жыл бұрын

@@peterm1240 neither are the 99% of the other interviewers are that he does. Thats not an excuse, Neil made a career off educating ppl who have no "science training". He should be able to do it.

@someoneelse3456

Жыл бұрын

@@peterm1240 This is largely supposed to be a philosophical/meta-discussion about science. They're not actually writing conjectures or theorems. Alex generally asked thought-provoking questions, although NDT never allowed the interview to move beyond a certain depth.

@user-md3wm7vu1f

Жыл бұрын

i think thats just his nature, some people are like that. it does not necessarily indicate narcissism and isnt necessarily rude or insulting, but in a podcast setting with very limited time it can be annoying

@Lamster66

Жыл бұрын

@@basedmase777 NGT tries to explain complex scientific Ideas in simple and comedic language that most people should understand. His answers seem low bar due to the fact that it's usually the level of those he is talking with. NGT is extremely confident and knows that when he is being interviewed that he "IS" the centre of attention.and the interview is about him and he generally conducts interviews on his terms. In otherwords he is controlling the agenda not the person asking him the questions. That confidence may come across as arrogance or narcissism but it's more likely his way of not getting tied up in pointless small talk.

Thanks for the interview! Very fascinating to get this perspective.

That was a great episode. I love how contagious Neil's enthusiasm is

He could just talk it to death

I would suggest Robert Miles for the next talk on AI 😊

@vanderkarl3927

Жыл бұрын

Or Eliezer Yudkowsky, he's been on a fair few interviews lately!

@EffectiveAgainstSuffering

Жыл бұрын

💯

@EffectiveAgainstSuffering

Жыл бұрын

​@@vanderkarl3927 💯💯

@milorodval678

Жыл бұрын

👌

@PlaylistWatching1234

Жыл бұрын

Robert Miles is one of the best. And if you've watched computerphile, you've probably seen him, but not known his name.

I have a lot of respect for Neil and have seen him three times lecture on various topics. His perspective is certainly thought provoking. Enjoying the new format as well!

The beginning is amazing. He’s exactly right. This is why people who had a spiritual/curious start to this world always see the world beyond of themselves. You get a greater and deeper understanding of who we are and can be. To the greatest discoverers, innovators, spiritual leaders can’t be who they are without this level of insight. Humans have the power to see the world from outside themselves, and once we do our world will become better because of it.

I don't think he's arrogant or narcissistic, he's just a sort of radio personality in the way that he talks. I admire that he takes a scientific approach to understanding how groups think, choosing to see how people react to his thoughts on Twitter and adjusting, rather than saying that his opinion is A) true, or B) unwavering.

@nezar-6889

Жыл бұрын

It's incredibly humble to be willing to adapt/learn like that, especially given his age and status. A lot of people have way too much pride to do anything of the sort.

@kadegetslaid634

Жыл бұрын

He's pationate, I'm no genius but whenever someone asks me about starwars lore I go on a 30 minute explainer lol

I enjoyed watching this episode, thank you.

Neil: I'm no AI expert. Also Neil: [talks for 30 minutes about how AI is perfectly safe, it's all fine.]

@alexanderg8466

Жыл бұрын

no no no. Listen again

@pooglechen3251

Жыл бұрын

He's saying he's a science expert and you don't need to be afraid of science so long as there are regulations

@riser9644

Жыл бұрын

he asked for his opinion , he gave it with a disclaimer , don't hate because his opinion isn't same as yours

@nakkadu

Жыл бұрын

​@@pooglechen3251 and how do you regulate China or Russia?

@Lamster66

Жыл бұрын

@@nakkadu You secretly build it, just in case! And leave it switched off until some other idiot turns theirs on.

I was shocked and pleased to see Neil on with you, Alex! I've been watching your videos since the beginning and Neil is a major life hero of mine. I'm so excited and happy for you! I'll be looking forward to every episode you produce!

Wow! You got Dr. Tyson on your channel! You've truly arrived! Kudos to you!

thankyou this was very enjoyable. Its good to see science educators being represented.

Dr. Tyson on your podcast wow! That’s awesome.

Awesome podcast. Two people I admire deeply. Thanks, Alex!

Love the interview

Great interview. Neil is a wonderful teacher and I learn something new every time.

I love Neil's way of showing us that we don't need to stop him from speaking his mind. Always entertaining and enlightening...Best nerd ever!

@DarthVaderfr

Жыл бұрын

What's the point of interviewing a person if he doesn't talk through his point, that's just stupid cancellation culture, you are talking out of your emotion and you feel your fragile ego threatened by someone you have never talked to and doesn't even know you

@m.a.a.d9275

Жыл бұрын

@@DarthVaderfr its not an interview dummy. Its a podcast and a discussion first and foremost. Neil is unable to converse back and fourth and just completely runs over the pod allowing Alex like 2 or 3 words every now and then

@riinazen7443

Жыл бұрын

Everyone and their mother's dog overuses "cancel culture" just to make the blandst point ever.

@CodyKendall1

8 ай бұрын

@@DarthVaderfr Go back in your crib with your sippy cup, adults are talking. You're literally crying about nothing, you unintelligent clown.

Someday I wish to find someone who loves me as much as Neil loves Neil.

@feedback1204

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you have a realistic chance on that seeing how much Neil loves Neil

@peterm1240

Жыл бұрын

I think you are conflating "Neil loving Neil" with "Neil loving to be Neil." I'd love to be him too, at least for a while.

@sum8601

Жыл бұрын

I've always loved you...but here you are ogling astrophysicists😞

@jacobus57

Жыл бұрын

​@@feedback1204 very true. He's quite the specimen.

@user-md3wm7vu1f

Жыл бұрын

i think the way he talks is just his nature, some people are like that. it does not necessarily indicate narcissism and isnt necessarily rude or insulting, but in a podcast setting with very limited time it can be annoying

Yay!!! So happy to see Dr. Tyson on the show ❤

Great interview 🙏

Love his insight on things.

I think your podcast works much better when you have an actual conversation.

In addition to zooming out to a macro view, orienting the viewer at the center of the known universe; it is also possible to zoom in to a micro view, orienting the viewer at the circumference of the known universe; and how both methods of inquiry are complementary. AWESOME answer, Neil!

Thank you for being you .

If only Neil was a little less in love with the sound of his own voice.

1:22 Neil's smile to frown scared me

Great Video!!

24:46 Oh wow he’s getting better at this

I highly recommend the book "the emperors new mind" for anyone interested in A.I and consciousness. I'm only a few pages in tbh, but it's pretty amazing so far. Oh yeah, btw, Roger Penrose would be an amazing guest on your podcast!

@alexfunk6575

Жыл бұрын

One of my favorites! Only thing is that it's pretty dated in terms of all the computer stuff, but the overall argument still holds up in my opinion

@charbelbejjani5541

Жыл бұрын

He expanded his arguments more fully in "Shadows of the Mind" (1994)

@JohnCena8351

Жыл бұрын

@@charbelbejjani5541 very interesting. Thx for the Info!

@Josh-hi9zp

Жыл бұрын

@@charbelbejjani5541 my god i loved ENM read it like twice and now 'Shadows' is just sitting on some page on my desk because I sabotaged my attention span

I presume there was some lag in this conversation. The amount of interruption in a conversation increases dramatically as the delay between parties increases, because people don't stutter or stop as you start speaking. It's very tough interrupting people when there's lag, because it means you have to speak over them for twice as long before it causes them to stop talking.

And now I will thank you for posting the full video on the clip. Even better..🎉

Great show

I 💯 % agree with his stance on AI!

@justin_ooo

8 ай бұрын

it is from the perspective of a layman and not based on the objective facts regarding how the technology works and is already being integrated into modern software/hardware

I cracked up how the intro plays out. Alex starts posing the point and within seconds gets interrupted. Pretty much the expectation with Neil, but happened impressively fast. Great clip to pick for setting the mood of the interview. 🎉

@morbidmanmusic

Жыл бұрын

Yet people always have him on their show. Go figure. Maybe yoU should tune out, as you're commnet adds little.

@rafalpotasz

Жыл бұрын

@@morbidmanmusic I mean, it wasn't meant to add anything, I just noted an observation. Your comment adds little and that's absolutely not a problem in the slightest. Overall I enjoy listening to NDT, it's just that his style of communication is more suited to TED talks and presentations, not so much interviews/conversations. And that's absolutely fine too :) The internet is a serious place these days!

@tschorsch

Жыл бұрын

​@Rafal the internet is seriously stupid these days

@rafalpotasz

Жыл бұрын

@@tschorsch I guess. It feels super polarising, all vs all, lol. Although I spend most of my time online learning for free so I won’t complain too loudly!

I remember the first time objective information was taken that way in my observation I had the same mind blown experience at that realization.

Great episode ❤😊

Eliezer Yudkowski is open to being interviwed. There are REALLY good reasons to expect the end of the world if we don't solve the Aligment.

@gabogonzalez9428

Жыл бұрын

YES

@fog3911

Жыл бұрын

Yes please!!!

He started with a very sensible "I am not an expert of AI, and I will not present myself as an expert", that made me think "Oh nice, maybe he will be more humble about this, and discuss the point carefully". Boys I was wrong. The part when he proposed "to just unplug it" if it went out of control was cringe worthy...

@morbidmanmusic

Жыл бұрын

Please just stop tuning into Neil on podcasts. We don't need more cliche commentary.

@bobon123

Жыл бұрын

@@morbidmanmusic Lol, only positive commentary are allowed? Or are you trying to defend his ignorant position? Are you also convinced like Neil that you will always be able to just unplug an AI "because they need electricity"?

@jimj9040

Жыл бұрын

@@morbidmanmusicI’m aware of a lot of cliches, but unable to identify any that you might be referring to. Maybe you don’t know what a cliche is.

Great video

man I wish I got the chance to see this lecture live like you alex

@dutchthenightmonkey3457

16 күн бұрын

my real oppinion - NDT is a good thinker and researcher, but not really built to debate and converse with, his strong suit is lectures and stand alone stuff

Neil Tyson talks like every sentence that comes out of his mouth is supposed to blow your mind.

@fuckamericanidiot

Жыл бұрын

"Pigs.....are in fact NOT fish." 😮

@wattlebough

Жыл бұрын

He’s an intellectual narcissist. They’re impossible to reason with.

@StephenMoreira

Жыл бұрын

No it's just his speaking style, he is always aiming at the 'wider' audience, because at the root he is an educator. It is quite effective for his goals as an educator.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

@@wattlebough Especially when NDT is making excuses for continuing to create the demand for animal agriculture.

@jacobus57

Жыл бұрын

​@@StephenMoreira he stopped being an educator long ago. Narcissists make lousy teachers.

I've always thought that Tyson had an unthoughtful view of vegetarianism and veganism. Alex would have been a great interviewer for that domain but we missed the boat for that conversation. But... such is the nature of things. People change.

@vDuzz

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Neil has such a misguided perspective about veganism, and it would have been perfect if Alex could have pushed him on it. Very disappointed.

@komfyrion

Жыл бұрын

When I opened up the video I was kind of expecting this to happen, unfortunately. I think Tyson is a person who sculpts his public profile a lot. He has learned from his twitter escapades and he doesn't want to get to deep into particular issues that he knows will make him unpopular. I think it's entirely possible this is because he genuinely wants to be a successful science communicator and in order to do that he needs to appeal as widely as possible. So he puts the spicy tweets in a secret file. However, I think he knows that there are certain issues he can just blabber on about without much consequence to his career (or perhaps with positive consequences to his career). I think veganism and many other social justice causes that are outside of the mainstream fall into that category, but perhaps one day he will have to either re-evaluate veganism or end up a disliked reactionary geezer. I don't think Tyson is an particularly strong anti-vegan force in popular culture, but of course it would be very nice to have him either stop what he's doing or have his mind changed and become a vegan advocate.

hell yes. I love seeing this. Two great minds coming together.

Entertaining and enlightening conversation

What an incredible conversation to listen in on.

I enjoy seeing and hearing Tyson talk.... He is very illustrative and exemplary in his speeches to enable even the most simple minded person understand complex stuff and i adore him for that.

I thought Alex steered the ship on this interview just fine. Just Neil being Neil. I enjoyed the interview.

underated interview

I enjoyed this - quite

Always a pleasure to hear Neal talk ❤

@hudsonbarth5641

11 ай бұрын

Neil would seem to agree lol

Cosmic Skeptic, Alex, and Dr. Tyson! Great conversation. At the quote, and talk of Cosmic Perspective I thought of the movie Enemy Mine. 2 warring species stuck on a planet. Shipwrecked. And it showed, as 'stories' always have, that once the ignorance is gone, so is the hatred. And as for self driving cars, we could put all roads underground. Animals and people saved. 👍💖💙🥰✌

@chronicmasterbaiter5467

Жыл бұрын

Yep, maybe we should even stick the cars together to make these "megacars", where numerous people can fit, to solve traffic jams. Talk about killing 2 birds with one stone hehe. Elon musk should really adopt this idea I feel like. He is very smart with new technologies afterall.

Good stream

I liked this video. 😊

6:53 "In fact, Astrophysicists have gotta be some of the most humble scientists" Well, clearly not all Astrophysicists, Mr. NDT...

@notme5744

Жыл бұрын

That's hilarious

@peterm1240

Жыл бұрын

Well, he means humble among scientists. Around you asshats on the other hand...

@DANGJOS

Жыл бұрын

Mr. ?

@jacobus57

Жыл бұрын

​@@notme5744 yeah. I worked in PMA--Physics, Math, and Astronomy division--at Caltech and male astrophysicists are the worst. It made me glad I didn't pursue that career path.

@notme5744

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobus57 That's strange that astrophysicists specifically would be worse than others. I can imagine most math based fields attracting a lot of competitive or even arrogant guys for obvious Testosterone based reasons, but it's weird that astrophysicists would be worse. Kind of funny though. It's a shame you left if that was something you were really interested in. What do you do instead?

This was exhausting. I feel like I just got incoherently ranted at for an hour.

I'm a big fan of both these guys. How totally refreshing to hear intelligent conversation. Alex is among the best of interviewers because he knows how to ask good questions and then get out of the way of the answers. Neil is wonderful to listen to because he's always at the ready with a passionate cluster of enthusiastic arguments for remaining optimistic about the future. I could listen to these guys go on for hours more.

A very interesting podcast indeed !! Love Neil Tyson

I think part of what Neil wasn’t getting is that the idea of artificial intelligence is that part of the goal is for it to be a judgement making, and therefor decision making, entity. So when he says “who programmed it to do that, did it program itself?” The answer may LITERALLY be yes. Someone programmed it to learn from feedback and negative outcomes, then change its future decisions based on those lessons. It’s judgement is nowhere near as nuanced as ours YET. But the capabilities are growing by the day. Though, I also take issue with this sentiment that creating something superior to us would be bad. That’s ego talking. What is so valuable about being a flesh and blood human being? I think that’s our emotions and fears talking. If one day technology advances so far that we create living, thinking machines that are better than us at everything (smarter, stronger, more efficient, less prone to violence, won’t die of old age, can be restored after death in many cases, doesn’t need to consume other things to survive, the list goes on and on) isn’t that just humanity’s next step? If whatever monkeys we came from saw a smarter monkey and decided to end them out of fear, humanity, the most advanced life we are aware of, would never have existed. Why are we trying to stand in the way of what comes next? Because they won’t have meat bodies like us? Because they won’t have DNA like us? Our brains, our DNA, our digestive system, circulatory system, hormones, so on are just highly complex machines. A MASSIVELY complex system that self regulates. If we can make a better one, and it in turn, can make a better one than that, why stop the progress?

@jt9300

Жыл бұрын

You raise an excellent point that part of our worries are the result of human ego. In the end, it all comes down to who the major decision makers are for the future of AI, and what they value. But the way you described AI learning by "feedback and negative outcome" scared me. It made me think of AI as a child who learns by navigating the outcomes and takes a lot of influence from the parents feedback, and I saw all of the beta testers as incompetent parents who could unknowingly sabotage how a certain AI model will make decisions later on. Would that analogy be relevant or should I stop worrying?😅

@bigglyguy8429

Жыл бұрын

We should stand in the way of what comes next because of simple self-preservation. All those in the past too stupid to understand that are extinct.

@deeemess

Жыл бұрын

@@jt9300 the issue isn't so much that the beta testers/trainers are incompetent, but that it's extremely hard to predict the outcomes of a given set of goals, or even to pick the goals that correctly align with human values (which may itself not even be feasible, given the breadth of conflicting values). I'd recommend researching the "alignment problem". Robert Miles has some great videos on this topic.

@wilfred5656

Жыл бұрын

You've forgotten about guardrails. Nuclear bombs appear now more like toys. Who is afraid of AI? Provided people like Elon Musk and Putin are not in control of AI, we'll be fine.

@Elrog3

Жыл бұрын

@@wilfred5656 Why do you think Elon is scary?

I love Neil! And I'm sure he's a busy guy, but I really wished there was more space to breath in this interview. Alex, you did an amazing job and Neil was interesting as always :)

@nezar-6889

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea why so many comments are attacking him. He interrupts a lot, but that's not really an issue if he's conversing with someone patient like Alex (kudos to Alex for remaining patient). He seems like delightful company.

@Immuuni

Жыл бұрын

​@@nezar-6889 it's a hip new thing to hate on him. I used to listen to him more, but don't like his style that much anymore. He's still a nice guy and doesn't deserve the hate he's getting.

@kellenwaters9087

Жыл бұрын

@@nezar-6889 I use to be a huge fan of Neil years ago when he was considered an educator and proponent of science. However, I listened to an interview years ago on a topic I'm pretty close to, and his off the cuff comments, and dismissive attitude toward an mere idea, seemed really unscientific. He hasn't spent a lick of time studying the topic, but had already concluded it was absurd. He was too invested in a certain conclusion, and went as far as to slander the reputation of others rather than reinforce his viewpoint with evidence. After that, it seemed like his career/attitude turned on a dime, and now we have a NDT who seems obsessed with his own celebrity. Such a shame... As I am writing this, he's saying "the end of the world is coming, come and join my cult", mocking others but unaware of the climate change campaigning he's done in his own career... The irony is strong with this guy...

@nezar-6889

Жыл бұрын

@@kellenwaters9087 could I possibly have access to the lecture you are referring to?

@Kris_M

Жыл бұрын

@@nezar-6889 "so many comments are attacking him" why do you call it "attacking"? Commenting on the attributes you perceive to be negative isn't attacking. And I don't agree it isn't an issue with someone like Alex, to me it seemed Alex found it unpleasant, as most people would I think.

I hope Alex gets to speak with the physicist/philosopher David Deutsch on his podcast. That would be such a fun conversation. Their intellects need to meet!

24:50 i did not have NDGT apologizing for interrupting on my 2023 bingo card

Doesn't surprise me Neil thinks astrophysicists are the most humble people in the world.

@sigigle

Жыл бұрын

The most humble. We’re great at being humble. No ones as humble as us. It’s so impressive how humble we are. We should be worshipped for our amazing humility.

@whoisandrewblack5679

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what was that??

@markth078

Жыл бұрын

It surprised me, too. I imagine he meant the most humbled scientists on tla regular basis.

The irony and lack of self awareness of Neil saying that physicists are so humble is staggering

Nice oneversation! Alex even holds every belief he references: Alex: “Some say …”, NDT: “Ah, you think …”

Fuck Yeah! That was awesome Alex. I think basically, at the end, Neil was saying he wants to come on and chat again. I want to hear more!

Neil doesn't realize that large language models are not programmed. It's deep learning and what it learns it's not subject to human input.

@TheEconomicElder

Жыл бұрын

@@charlespalding very clever smart ass 🤣