Now with 181hp/ 7500rpm redline I don’t feel the car needs a turbo unless perhaps your racing the car for money. The ND2 produces just the right amount of power to be super fun to drive wherever. If there is a “weak point” that would be in the suspension as the car leans a bit much but power wise the ND2 is right there in the sweet spot for a really fun daily driver and it’s not like 5.7 seconds to 60mph is somehow slow (this is roughy a $30-35K car) so I personally don’t get why people would be so in a hurry to void their warranty by bolting on a turbo to what is a phenomenal 2.0L -181hp- 7500rpm engine is a car that weighs just 2340lbs. The car is plenty fast as is so unless my livelihood depended on me winning races I’d much rather keep my warranty in tack and leave what is a very nice N/A engine alone. I was a bit confused on the obvious downplay of the ND2 engine improvements and then I remembered this is an aftermarket retailer so obviously it’s not in the companies best interest to be totally honest / frank about the reality of things. Got to sell those turbos, they aren’t going to move themselves.

@ADUSN

10 ай бұрын

It's more so there's not that much to talk about. They made changes but it's the same motor, same displacement, same gearing etc

@erickelly4107

10 ай бұрын

@@ADUSN quite a bit of changes / improvements were made (do a bit of research) - the ND2 has a phenomenal motor. Again, those turbo kits aren’t going to move themselves..

@malcolmn.5222

2 ай бұрын

​@@erickelly4107 It makes more power, however, at some point, some owners want more power. That's why they sell the kits. Nothing nefarious.

amazing video thank you FM. please come out with the turbo for ND2. WAITING FOR IT

Thanks for the answer on transmission reliability on the early cars. I bought my ND in October 2016 and have about 52,000 mile on it. No problems but I don't track or autocross it. I had heard of issues with early gearboxes, it seems I can breathe easier now. I do plan to get your big little brake conversion, the stock rear calipers have given problems, sticking and causing premature wear on pads and rotors. I drive the car year round in New Hampshire, salt is an issue here. But, I was out in 32 degree weather today with the top down and I was comfortably warm.

The white coat is the cherry on top of all the great tech info

This great video gave me what i was searching for the last 2 days , thank you guys ❤️

@FlyinMiataVideo

Жыл бұрын

Glad we could help!

i knew something was wrong when i almost stalled the 2019 (clutch). felt slightly off. i thought it was the seating position. lot of differences that i never knew. happy holidays.

great videos, I have learned a lot following your videos! QUESTION: What's about the carbon buildup? Myth reality difference between nd1 and last version of nd2? thanks

I’ve had my ND2 now for about 1.5 years. I’ve only had one issue. When the car had about 12K miles I was out driving and during acceleration the car went into limp mode. I limped home at about 30 mph and when I got to my street power returned and everything was normal. I took it to Mazda and they couldn’t find anything wrong with it. It’s been about 19K miles since then and I haven’t had any issues.

Wouldl love to see a video around the 1.5 version. Great stuff guys.

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

We don't get the 1.5 in North America, so we can't really do one! It's our understanding that the 1.5 got very similar engine modifications early in the production run, but we're not experts on that engine.

@gregblack4581

4 жыл бұрын

1.5 with some forged internals and a turbo would be a hoot with over 220 to the wheels .

2019 changes from 2018: pistons - reduced mass, edge cut connecting rods - lighter weight exhaust cam - higher valve lift intake manifold - shorter, multi-path exhaust manifold - larger inner diameter intake ports - larger fuel injectors - higher pressure intake valves - 18% larger area dual-mass flywheel - replaces single-mass throttle body - 28% larger crankshaft - stiffer, better balance through optimized counterweight shape injection strategy - 3-stage throttle - more linear response, shorter initial response delay, active drivetrain oscillation cancellation steering wheel - telescoping steering shaft - aluminum replaces steel exhaust system - richer sound quality rearview camera - new doors - easier to open door stops - revised Traffic Sign Recognition - new Smart City Brake Support - new cup holders - revised seat levers - revised brown soft top - new metallic black wheels - new

@whatsyourname5166

4 жыл бұрын

Xtreme Artists are the heads and fuel system interchangeable with the 2015 Mazda 3

@infamousrx8960

4 жыл бұрын

wow that dual mass flywheel sound like a massive down grade, I wonder if a single mass can be installed 🤔

@XtremeArtists

4 жыл бұрын

why?

@henria.277

3 жыл бұрын

@@infamousrx8960 it has the same rotational inertia as the single mass flywheel, so the engine is better to drive without any downside.

Thanks!!

Can the ND2 OEM oil “cooler” retrofit to the ND1? I have a Edelbrock SC and can’t easily make room for your cooler ahead of the radiator. Really good summary of difference that I missed until now. This is a 2yr old video so thanks in advance for any reply.

The last report I heard was 0 trans fails on the 2019 model .

4:20 any further info on the improved window seal? May need to look into this.

can you talk about transmission versions and what year has which version?

Three cheers for the nerds at Flyin' Miata. So Keith what can I do to install a more convenient cupholder in the ND2? Thanks from average Joe Driver.

@FlyinMiataVideo

Жыл бұрын

Get a passenger and ask them to hold it :) Alas, cup holders are not a specialty of ours.

Will FM be offering the BBR NA bolt on’s and cams?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

We have tested them all. Some were not able to produce significant power increases on North American cars despite working with BBR, so we decided not to bring them over the pond. The header requires removing a cat so that is a no-go as it violates federal regulations and opens us up to massive EPA fines. We did sell the cams, but between poor sales and the fact that they're not emissions legal, we had to drop them from our catalog.

Could you do a nd2 head on an nd1? Would that even be beneficial with tuning?

@FlyinMiataVideo

3 жыл бұрын

Boy, we looked into this when the new head came out. IIRC the answer is yes, you could make it work if you also brought over the intake manifold. It's quite likely it would be beneficial but it's not an experiment we have tried. It would be worthwhile to start by comparing head gaskets.

I have had 2 Miata's an NA, NB and currently about to take ownership of a 2017 ND2. Both my past Miata's have had the FM Koni setup. I want to find a suspension to put on this ND that will simply fix the body roll issue. Any suggestions?

@FlyinMiataVideo

Жыл бұрын

If you want to cut down on body roll, look at sway bars.

I see that Flyin' Miata is in Pallisade, CO; I live in Reno, NV with similar elevation and weather. What would you recommendation be for an good performance all weather tire on these cars be?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

That's not really our strong point, honestly. You'd probably be best off asking the folks at Tire Rack. Our weather is good enough that we don't need to run all-seasons on our Miatas, and if we're going into the mountains for snow we drive something else.

@alangross2277

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo But what about temperature ratings for the tires? I have have the original Potenzas on my 2018 and think they may be substantially effected , in a bad way, by cold temperatures. Let me ask my question in a different way, what tires do you run on the street and do you drive in temps below 40 degrees?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

@@alangross2277 Most of our NDs are actually running on OE tires during winter because we have a lot of them and they do okay. We don't have to drive these cars every day, so if the weather is sketchy they stay in the garage.

@alangross2277

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo That's pretty much the same for me. I watched a video here on KZread on temperatures and road conditions for the different types of tires. They found that Summer tire traction was dramatically reduced in temps below 40 degrees. I've been careful to not be out in weather that might be below 40...I think an ounce of prevention is well worth not having to worry about it.

I thought you guys work together BBR and as far as I know BBR has 200 package and 220 package as well...so how does that work then?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

The ECU has been cracked enough to allow for some naturally aspirated gains, but not for boost. We've also not been able to duplicate the naturally aspirated results on North American cars, so we don't offer those products here.

@balazspinter4832

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo OK I did not know that,I moved form a ND1 BBRS190 to ND2 and my old car was running on 190bhp/176ftq I can tell you that it was faster then my ND2 but the ND2 deliver the power differently the top and is amazing where my ND1 BBRS190 felt like a supercharged NB or NA it had tonns of mid range.I smoked a lots of more powerful cars around city with that. ND2 is slower less midrange torque but love to see the urge of the engine over 6k. By the way it only works with premium fuel normal fuel makes it as flat as a Monday afternoon at work

Seems to me switching the ND1's head with a ND2's would be akin to buying a performance head. I would think doing that with the supercharger would be a perfect upgrade. And since you can program the ND1's mapping,,,,,,Bonus.

@FlyinMiataVideo

3 жыл бұрын

The supercharger manifold won't bolt to the ND2 head - but that might work with a turbo.

So is the only way to get around the 2019 ecu is to piggy back? Gonna find an RF at Copart and do an engine swap. This chassis is screaming for a high reving NA rotary. 😁

@rotaryperfection

3 жыл бұрын

@Art Uro People who make power with NA rotary's, truly understand them. Adding boost and fuel is easy and not much of a challenge IMO.

@rotaryperfection

3 жыл бұрын

@Art Uro You do you guy. I put an NA 20b in my fd for a reason because I like doing things MY WAY. NA ND Renesis Miata is my next project and it wont need turbos to hall ass. 😉

When are we getting a nd2 turbo kit???

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

Boy, we wish we had an answer to this question. When someone manages to crack the ND2 ECU. What's the date when that will happen? Unknown.

Which engine is stronger reliability wise nd1 or nd2

@FlyinMiataVideo

2 жыл бұрын

We're not aware of any significant reliability problems with either.

Keith, if one was to buy a Miata ND strictly for the road would you recommend an ND1 or and ND2 at all cost?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

That depends on how you drive on the road. If you never go over 6000 rpm, you'll notice very little difference from a performance standpoint. That's the point at which the ND2 engine distances itself from the ND1. There are some more subtle differences in driveability down low, but they're not significant enough to sway you one way or the other. That ND2 engine is a lot of fun, but only if you get to let it off the leash!

@gregblack4581

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the steering wheel positions on the nd2. There are folks that this is very important to fit in. One of the reasons I went 2016 - 2019 . And the motor dif is just not the redline . Motor is way smoother on the highway .

@PaulJohnson-jq9xw

3 жыл бұрын

I get to pick up my Club Saturday. Looked for a month to find the right one in Machine Grey and I get to drive it home this weekend. I drove a GT and a club and though very subtle, the Club just felt better. It also sounded a little better though they don’t say why. I choose the full package with wheels, seats and Brembos. I’m looking forward to it.

@mkkoper

3 жыл бұрын

For me the steering position option in ND2 alone was what made that difference. I am 189cm tall and for me that was No-go/Go

Is it easy to retrofit the newer steering rack into a 16 car given it’s electronic power steering? Is the calibration purely mechanical or software + hardware

@FlyinMiataVideo

2 жыл бұрын

Based on the logging we've done on the car's internal networks, it should be a straight bolt-in with no software tweaks. All of the load calculations are done inside the rack and the broadcast signals appear to be the same. We haven't tried it ourselves yet.

@DominicLeung87

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo thanks for the super quick reply!!! I’ve got a 16 model year and been a bit confused by the dead on center feel and figured it was simply an EPS thing. You mentioned in the video “if you’re tuned into the car” then “it’s a dramatic change”… just wondering which side of the spectrum it’s on (subtle v blindingly obvious) and how it compares to the difference in new tires, coil overs, sways etc. By this I mean how “noticeable” it is vs actual performance as I understand the steering rack would REALLY only be for feel and confidence.

@FlyinMiataVideo

2 жыл бұрын

@@DominicLeung87 it’s obvious enough that we noticed the difference immediately, even though we weren’t aware there had been changes. In terms of the magnitude of the change, it’s similar to a reasonably large change in toe.

@DominicLeung87

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo thanks guys, exactly what I'm looking for Gonna look up where to get the parts later this week Thanks a bunch for your help!!

The improved steering feel alone is worth the upgrade from the 2016 & 2017 models.

@edwardcason721

3 жыл бұрын

A tip : you can watch series at Kaldrostream. Me and my gf have been using it for watching a lot of movies during the lockdown.

@jerrymaxim3573

3 жыл бұрын

@Edward Cason definitely, I've been watching on Flixzone} for years myself =)

@Mwhbmnabjms

2 жыл бұрын

I know it change to eletric steering rack from hydrolic

@2007MXV

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mwhbmnabjms all ND Miatas are electric PS, but the 2016 is vague.

@ADUSN

10 ай бұрын

My 2019 is pretty Meh. It's the only objective criticism of the car I can come up with, I love it to death otherwise

Piggy back ecu?

So as we near the end of 2023 are we still locked out the ECU? Just purchased a 2022 GT(s) a few weeks back and have seeing videos on how various engine mods actually rob instead of add hp to date. And most, if not almost all the mods I've seen available for the ND2 seem limited to Suspension, Brakes, Convenience, and Body. So I'm curious as to the tunability future of this engine. I had my 1.4t Fiat up in the 200+ range, would be nice to see some tuning options for this engine open up (much to the EPA's chagrin I'm sure).

@FlyinMiataVideo

11 ай бұрын

As far as we know, there has been some progress by others, no one has completely cracked the ND2 for a fully tunable solution yet.

@Dr.Ian-Plect

11 күн бұрын

For what it's worth, last year I was at BBR getting their Koni sport adjustable shocks (revalved to BBR spec) and BBR lowering springs fitted. I asked the owner himself about ECU progress and he dismissively just said we are waiting for it to be cracked, like he didn't care.

@Foxtrot_Woof

10 күн бұрын

@@Dr.Ian-Plect That seems to be everyone's attitude about it. Well we're waiting for someone else to crack it. In the mean time guess you should have bought an ND1 huh? (which kills me since there are fewer years of the ND1 than the ND2). Even SSSP out of FL still V8 swapping NDs is like. ND1 only, get wrecked ND2 owners. And now the ND3 has changed the ECU yet again, which kind of just tells me if you have a 2019-2023 Miata exhaust gains is about all you can ever expect to see.

@Dr.Ian-Plect

10 күн бұрын

@@Foxtrot_Woof I can't imagine it's a complexity issue, though I have no expertise at all to say so. Is it more that the market isn't sufficient to motivate someone to get on with it? I ask this to you in the US, wondering _is_ there in fact a strong demand for mods involving the ND2 ECU, and despite that, for whatever reasons, it still hasn't been done?

@Foxtrot_Woof

6 күн бұрын

@@Dr.Ian-Plect If the MX-5 forums are anything to go by, I'd say yes, there is a market for it. Granted not as large as say some other cars, but a market none the less. I think it is a two fold problem. 1. I think the tuners are scared to do it. In light of the EPA cracking down, fining, and even arresting various aftermarket tuners. Like Spartan Diesel's owner who got a years jail time, COBB who got visits from the EPA, etc... 2. I think it also might be "slightly more" complex due to the OEMs putting in things the EPA wants to try and mitigate ECU tuning being done in the first place and recording when it has been tampered with. We are in a world where the governments are trying to kill petrol engines for the sake of pushing EVs. It's a thing they are doing regardless of which side of debate about their benefits you fall on. SEMA has been fighting agains the gov. trying to kill the aftermarket, so a good way push that agenda is to knee cap the innovators in the market. And unfortunately it's not the good ol mechanical days where we could do 90% of it ourselves, we need the electronics tuners to make it work.

Can the steering rack from the ND2 be put in the ND1? Can the window seals that you mentioned be installed in the ND1? Any other part swaps that are worth it like these may be?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

Isaac Rodman We believe they can both be swapped and we have a spare v2 rack sitting by so we can try it someday. The seals, almost definitely. If the 2017 seals have been superseded in the Mazda parts fiches, definitely.

@IsaacRodman

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo I have a replacement new engine going in soon so now would be the time if any to swap out anything you can think of in the engine bay if you guys think it might work out

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

Isaac Rodman we think it will - they look identical and we haven’t found a difference in the network signals. But we have not tried it ourselves yet.

@IsaacRodman

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo Is it this part? www.realmazdaparts.com/oem-parts/mazda-gear-assembly-na1j32110f I'm willing to give it a go in my build. Can you confirm the part? If so, this is saying it's the newest revision of the rack, and fits the 2016 thru 2019, so I think that's starting to get pretty conclusive that there was an improvement and that it's possibly a direct drop-in

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

@@IsaacRodman That is indeed an ND steering rack in the diagram, and it looks as if the the 2016-17 version did get superseded. I would ask an actual Mazda parts counter person, they'll be able to say for sure because they spend more time in that system than we do.

Aaaaaah Yea!!! A blue GT-S!

A car that weighs sub 2400, this is perfect amount of power from ND2

I notice you sell mid-pipe and exhaust but, no header for the ND1, why?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

Because it's against federal law to remove a cat. You might get away with it at registration time, but it would not do Flyin' Miata any good to be fined by the EPA!

@alangross2277

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo OK thanks for the reply. I see! And after doing a little research, I find, that this is a real can of worms! I guess I'll scrap my idea of headers for street use. Have you seen any difference in HP and Torque gains by changing mid-pipe and muffler VS just changing muffler? That leads me into another question, so your forced induction kits utilize the stock header? I'm really beginning to miss the good old days of 60's and 70's hot rodding...

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

@@alangross2277 Yes, we have seem greater power gains by changing both the midpipe and muffler versus just one. Our forced induction kits use a new manifold - you have to with a turbo - but they retain the stock cat. They're legal in all states including California as they've passed all the testing to show they do not affect emissions. Hotrodding well has always been a challenge. What's happening is that it's getting harder to do it badly.

@alangross2277

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo I really appreciate you responses! I'm trying to understand tunes and what I really need to get one. I'm looking to get my 2018 RF Club running like a 2019. Any advice there?

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

@@alangross2277 The easiest way is to trade in your 2018 for a 2019. Seriously. Mazda did a lot of hardware work on the 2019 engine as well as going to a different ECU. If you want to stick with the 2018, the biggest thing you can do is install a set of good cams and valve springs - the ones from BBR work well in our experience. That'll give the engine a taste of the character of the 2019 unit. The ECU will have to be reprogrammed accordingly.

What do you mean “no one has cracked the nd2 ecu yet.”??!! I have had a OFT tune for almost 4 months now - higher redline and around 10hp more. Noticeable upgrade.

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

It's not cracked enough to allow for forced induction.

I was wondering why Mazda willing to put turbo in Mazda 3 hatchback but they don’t put turbo in mx5 Miata ? If you want to compete with Type R Honda Mazda should give MX5 Miata a turbo boost it will sell like crazy will beat Honda and Toyota sport cars!

Wow, 19 horse power gain from a muffler, midpipe change? 200 horses vs 181 form want factory claims? Looks like I'm gonna have to buy a new exhaust. Which exhaust was used on your ND2?!!!!!

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

I mis-spoke, it was 16.4 hp. That was a Flyin' Miata high-flow midpipe plus a Flyin' Miata "Hush-O-Matic" muffler. The dyno charts are on our website.

@JamesLCoxe

4 жыл бұрын

Flyin' Miata wonderful thank you for your quick response!

@Conebasher227

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyinMiataVideo What website is this? I have all but given up on the Flyin' Miata website because of the lack of dyno sheets. "We've recently reworked our website. Tales from the Dyno will be back soon." is all I get off of your dyno link. It has been like this for well over a year, maybe two. I honestly have not been considering your products for my ND2 because of the website. It seems run down and neglected, which I could only assume was same for product development.

@2007MXV

4 жыл бұрын

@@Conebasher227 look to the mid-pipe listing in the catalog, as it shows the dyno charts. www.flyinmiata.com/flyin-miata-high-flow-midpipe.html

@FlyinMiataVideo

4 жыл бұрын

Conebasher227 sorry you feel that way. The dyno chart link is left over from the pre-2014 version and we have been putting the dyno sheets right in the parts listing - such as the exhaust parts mentioned here. We figure that’s where they belong. A lot of those charts are obsolete now anyhow, the downside to dealing with more than 20 years of testing. We are working on a shiny new site right now but ironically product development gets in the way.

Nd2: electric boogaloo

why is this geezer wearing a lab coat?

@FlyinMiataVideo

2 жыл бұрын

If you had a lab coat that said "Professor Batshit" and it was given to you by the fellow who designed the US version of the Exocet, you'd wear it too.

@enzos_corner

2 жыл бұрын

​@@FlyinMiataVideo uhm... no I wouldn't. I had to google exocet to find out it's a bloody anti-ship missile... I am not american, so I don't have the same passion for weapons or "exporting democracy" I'm afraid, you guys have. Like I wouldn't wear a lab coat if I had to ask half of the things to a guy behind the camera.. lol

@FlyinMiataVideo

2 жыл бұрын

@@enzos_corner Try googling "Exocet Miata" and it might be a little more to your liking. The missile is French anyhow :)