This looks like a gun that was designed with the sole requirement that "gun shoots bullet"

@51WCDodge

3 жыл бұрын

Isnt that the only purpose? Anything else is refinement, cost, extra material, manufactuer and increeasd final price.

@brassmoth7463

3 жыл бұрын

And yet manages to be very aesthetically pleasing.

@LUR1FAX

3 жыл бұрын

Requirement: Uses metallic cartridges.

@GCJT1949

3 жыл бұрын

All the SMGs in the 50s were designed with VERY low price the main consideration. The Sterling and the Uzi were exceptions. The Italians can make a good case that the Berettas were the best, or at least very very good. Geoff Who can only hope and pray for sensible laws in the US of A.

@Rubenbauer80

3 жыл бұрын

@@GCJT1949 our laws are sensible enough thank you very much.

“A simple open bolt, how hard can it be?” Me, who’s never built a firearm: pfft dude couldn’t even do a simple open bolt design

@walt9327

3 жыл бұрын

If you look into some of Professor Parabellum's designs you'll see a simple open bolt sub machine gun is one of the easiest practical weapons you could make, and can be cobbled together in a couple hours with hand tools by someone with 0 experience

@shoelessbandit1581

3 жыл бұрын

Having put together a "functional" pistol using an ar15 lower as a trigger group and a barrel blank I had laying around I can say making something that fires is really easy, making it do it well requires a lot of work

@historynerd2373

3 жыл бұрын

@@walt9327 i actually have a bunch of scrap and hand tools. in theory if i wanted to make an open bolt what caliber would be best and what would I need?

@jonc8074

3 жыл бұрын

@@shoelessbandit1581 "zip guns" used to be more common.

@Tri_Nitro

3 жыл бұрын

@@historynerd2373 the best caliber is the one you can get easily and cheap

Title suggests high rate of fire, thumbnail suggests extreme mechanical simplicity? *I'm sold.*

@asas-mb4wj

3 жыл бұрын

Luty bois

@marclagalle1486

3 жыл бұрын

High mass breech block would have kept the rate of fire down.

NATO: "So, essentially what we're looking for is an M3 but worse in every way you can think of." Winchester: "Say no more."

@asdasd-ty9se

3 жыл бұрын

Meh, I think given time this could have been a more expensive alternative

@andycraddock7677

3 жыл бұрын

FUNNY! Very witty. And now if these two prototypes ever came on the collector’s market (let’s hope never), they’d probably command a fortune.

@PJA264

3 жыл бұрын

@@andycraddock7677 Collectors' markets are funny like that. Do something uniquely wrong enough and make something valuable 70ish years in the future.

@SimuLord

3 жыл бұрын

This looks less like "an M3 and a whatever had a kid" and more like "they tried to clone an M3 and got the copy-of-a-copy clone from the film _Multiplicity_ ."

@jamesuthmann940

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimuLord Hooray! I'm not the only one who remembers that movie!

These looks like guns crafted at a workbench in Fallout 4.

@grilledcheesinator55

3 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to notice a trend in forgotten weapons involving the constant comparison to Fallout

@SlickJim2

3 жыл бұрын

The "Defense gun" mod adds pretty much this smg into FO4

@theidiotbox9056

3 жыл бұрын

@@SlickJim2 nah it's more like a sten gun

@aj200415

3 жыл бұрын

Probably the most underrated comment Iv ever seen. This is EXACTLY where these came from!!

@mikewazowski5803

3 жыл бұрын

For machining on a prototype it isnt bad

if they had access, this would have been made into a starwars prop.

@noplace4akitty047

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts, as well.

@kinghoodofmousekind2906

3 жыл бұрын

Since they wanted to use it in Eastern Europe...more likely Slav Wars.

@DevyKins

3 жыл бұрын

@@kinghoodofmousekind2906 The Cold Star Chronicles

@kinghoodofmousekind2906

3 жыл бұрын

@@DevyKins then The Kremlin Strikes Again and the great redemptive finale: Return of the Zar...

@gohunt001-5

3 жыл бұрын

Tsar wars

I like the idea of Ian reviewing these guns while they're on display. You're just walking through the museum when you come across Ian in the display case with the guns. I'd definitely pay good money for that.

@SirTorcharite

3 жыл бұрын

A museum full of Gun Jesus clones just explaining different firearms from behind a case. They all have uniquely colored latex gloves so as to be told apart from one another.

@BigWheel.

Жыл бұрын

They could realistically link short (or full length) videos of him in museums. Walk up, scan a QRcode with your phone and let Ian take you to the magical land of boomstick lore.

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

@@SirTorcharite they know which Ian they are

“What happens if we leave a M3, a MP40, and a Sten in a dark room together? Let’s find out!”

@sadcharlie4372

3 жыл бұрын

M340 mk IV?

@Zack_Wester

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadcharlie4372 welp guess that the new module SMG for the next fallout/wastland game.

@FelixstoweFoamForge

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds so wrong.... Like arrest for firearms incest.

@darthlegoman2608

3 жыл бұрын

Meh more like MP40 and PPS43 together in a dark room together.

@Sman7290

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely nothing.

"They were manufacture-WELL, produced......"

@alirezanazarahari8342

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect way to teach exact meaning of manufacturing and producing to non-English speakers :)

@noplace4akitty047

3 жыл бұрын

@@alirezanazarahari8342 totally agree.

@docmoreau7540

3 жыл бұрын

@Fluesterwitz russians, for example, still use somehow outdated word "мануфактура" to describe facility using mostly manual labor.

@NovaXP

3 жыл бұрын

@@alirezanazarahari8342 As a native English speaker, I usually assumed the two were interchangeable to be honest

@JonVonBasslake

3 жыл бұрын

@@NovaXP To a certain degree they are. But, IMO, manufacture sounds more like it's mechanically made, though that may just be because of how it's used.

NATO: "What about a charging handle?" Winchester: "What's that?"

@Blei1986

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, that was the first thing i noticed and immediatly facepalm´d

These look like something you'd see in Valkyria Chronicles.

@tlshortyshorty5810

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao weeb Me too

@Thelothuo

3 жыл бұрын

mmm, HEFTY handguard

Ah, yes. 4 A.M. on the dot. Just what I was waiting for.

@bob6770

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS 😂😂😂

@ughwhy6313

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@jcmartinez7527

3 жыл бұрын

Like the spongebob meme where Patrick wakes up at 3am for a krabbt patty "Oh boy! 3am!"

@ADITADDICTS

3 жыл бұрын

This channel has changed my morning routine...for the better.

@fredbloggs5902

3 жыл бұрын

It’s 12:00 midday here (UK), a much more civilised time!

First he talks about museums. Then he has a conversation with curators. Now hes at their museum.

@noplace4akitty047

3 жыл бұрын

Working his way in.

@krisskringle920

3 жыл бұрын

then he's inside THEM.

@noplace4akitty047

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scaliad being tied down? No thank you, says he.

@SuperAWaC

3 жыл бұрын

he's been to cody a bunch of times in the past

0:43 that is a divine sound effect when he picks the book for show

@krisskringle920

3 жыл бұрын

praise the holy booketh of winchester!

"What do we use for a skeletal stock?" "Well, my wife just divorced me and cleaned out her closet. I've got a few thousand wire hangers." "Perfect. It's settled, then. Next problem."

It looks like something a friend from Florida would throw together in his garage to get around sweeping gun restrictions.

@PlanetRibooted

3 жыл бұрын

Ah... Floridaman!

@deeacosta2734

3 жыл бұрын

Or to raid the Capitol. #FloridaMan

@FEDsShotMOM

3 жыл бұрын

Strangely Specific

I love how Ian presented every SMG of the world and still picks up other SMGs

Top ejection, eh? Yep, that's a Winchester.

@simonpharand7427

3 жыл бұрын

Fellow Canadian

@Thebigem

3 жыл бұрын

You mean a PPSH-41???

@Pen2penguin

3 жыл бұрын

orrr Vz. 61 Skorpion?

I definitely need to get to the Cody Museum this year. If not for Forgotten Weapons I would have never been aware of it.

"Getting it to mostly work isn't that hard" I believe that describes the Sten

Given their simplicity and nickname of burp gun, perhaps they were made in response to the effective use of the Ppsh in Korea.

@classifiedad1

2 жыл бұрын

Burp gun seems to be a colloquial term at the time to refer to *any* submachine gun, as according to the Webster dictionary, the term was first recorded to refer to submachine guns back in 1937, although other sources indicate a 1940 origin. Still, it predates Korea by a decade, and I do know of an account on the use of the BAR where a very experienced sergeant in WWII who used one cut off the pistol grip of “a German burp gun” and fitted it to the fore end of his BAR so he could use it “like a burp gun.” Yes, sergeants were supposed to be issued M1 Carbines. No, not everyone exactly followed the TO&E, and the guy’s CO was of the opinion that soldiers should use the weapon which they saw most fit for them. Which for that sergeant, who began as a BAR gunner, was the BAR, which he retained when promoted.

You mean to tell me these weren't made for a cartel in Brazil?

@hbtm2951

3 жыл бұрын

Thought the same when i saw these, couple months ago the police got a hold on whole batch of SMGs that looked just like these two but a little more crude tho.

@jimyeats

3 жыл бұрын

NuclearMedicineman Australia has biker gangs? Biker gangs that are machining their own weapons? Isn’t this the same country that outlawed nerf guns? Huh. And here I thought they just went around overlanding, cat hunting, and saving babies from dingos. Edit: outlawed gel blasters.

@nolanolivier6791

3 жыл бұрын

Could as likely been made in a barn in County Armagh...

@usbiv223

3 жыл бұрын

I expect they are meant for the armory in the cartel’s mini sub.

Sorry, I had to chuckle at the thought that "manufacture" literally means "made by hand". It's fascinating how language has changed.

@JumaiPL

3 жыл бұрын

The distinction still exist in my language. In Polish we have "manufaktura" meaning a pre assembly line shop doing manufacturing, "fabryka" which would be a full on factory and an ofshoot of both "zakład produkcyjny" literally "production works", like russian zavod, which could be anything from a small scale to multi factory enterprise.

@ScottKenny1978

3 жыл бұрын

@@JumaiPL which is funny, when I was doing aircraft maintenance, we had to write "fabricated a replacement part" when we made something by hand.

@Chetanoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@JumaiPL that's an insteresting difference. In russian we also have "manufaktura" wich basically has same meaning as polish.

Hey Ian, A small thing. Maybe take a small flashlight with you when doing these video's? I have watched quite a lot of your video's and there are several occasions where you point out something interesting deep inside a gun that are just not visible for the viewer. Might improve the allready high quality just that little bid more. All else, keep doing what you do, really enjoy watching all of them. Greetz Jelle

@janhulek785

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know your setup, but I usually don't have a problem seeing what Ian's pointing at. Might I suggest looking at the brightness and contrast settings on your preferred viewing device and turning it up a notch (or to try on another device if it seems insufficent)?

@De_Wit

3 жыл бұрын

@@janhulek785 you sure may, and in most cases you are right. I watch them on my phone. Usually the brightness is turned down quite a bid to save the battery so that doesn't improve things. And it isn't a big problem by any means. In all the video's I have watched there are maybe 4-5 instances where I really could not see the interesting bids, even with the brightness turned up. It would only be a small improvement, but improvement nontheless.

@gwtpictgwtpict4214

3 жыл бұрын

@@De_Wit Not wishing to be rude here, but I think you are viewing Ian's videos on a sub optimal device, there is only so much you can see on a phone size screen. I watch FW videos on an ancient LCD screen at 1280 x 1024 and apart from those times where he actually says 'this maybe difficult to see' I don't have any problems. If you want to see details use a bigger screen.

@marcusborderlands6177

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 but would a small flashlight hurt the experience? no, it would not.

@kevinsullivan3448

3 жыл бұрын

I have a pair of Coast G20 inspection flashlights that I use for... inspecting electrical and plumbing that I am working on. They are low intensity white with a nice sealed beam.

I wonder if they realized that MP40 magazine would have been too long to allow folding of that buttstock.

@RCgenral

3 жыл бұрын

I think that the stock might have just barely cleared a mp40 mag, but its hard to say

Like a Fallout STEN. Nice.

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

well, this would definitely be preferable as a Makeshift Gun over the Pipe guns. MPL, Sten and more would also be preferable. Ingram model 6/M2 would also be better.

@ben-chan420

3 жыл бұрын

I thought so too! Reminds me of a slimmed down 10mm SMG

@lasarousi

3 жыл бұрын

@@drivanradosivic1357 the final months of WW2 weapons are the best for any postapoc game, exactly for the ease of production from scrap. I always installed WW2 weapons to stalker and fallout.

@m1a4abrams50

3 жыл бұрын

And opening that folding stock would take 4 adhesive, two screws, a rank in Gun Nut, and would add 1.5 weight.

@drivanradosivic1357

3 жыл бұрын

@@m1a4abrams50 I think it shouldn't do that. Maybe one oil to "grease it loose" to fold and unfold it.

Looks like a great platform to build a Star Wars Blaster!

I love it when I'm laying awake at 5:30 already watching Forgotten Weapons and we get a new upload.

I really like the look of these and they could work in a sci-fi setting as is or even baetter by adding a scope, fancy mag.

@GCJT1949

3 жыл бұрын

I remember an SF Cover Artist who made his ray guns look like M-3 Grease Guns with a large scope on top. Geoff Who wonders about prophecy?

@jasonbondar3

3 жыл бұрын

Those look like star wars blasters,

@isaiahcampbell488

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbondar3 And also something from Fallout new vegas.

Another really cool open bolt sub machine gun in a time where open bolts were all the rage. Thanks Ian for another interesting video!

These guns look like they were made in a Metro tunnel

Cody is great, I have seen it before and after renovation. Fantastic pilgrimage for gun lovers. If you take your time, you could spend multiple days there.

The design is genius. I would like to develop it further. Really easy to make in the garage.

For some reason the overall look of these appeals to me... Also they look like something that would make a good base for sfi-fi movie/tv props.

@daddysempaichan

3 жыл бұрын

It's really simple looking. The hand guard is very square as well. Just remove the stock and maybe add an energy glow on the sides where the holes to charge the weapon and bam, Sci-fi gun. The simplicity of it is its appeal.

@widgren87

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddysempaichan ;-)

@JH-lo9ut

3 жыл бұрын

It has the functionalistic, raw, unfinished look that all swedish military gear of this era has. That's why you like it I bet.

@widgren87

3 жыл бұрын

@@JH-lo9ut Might be

I feel like any sub machine gun in the 50s that wasn’t the Uzi, ww2 surplus or a local design like the MAT 49 or Sterling just fell by the wayside.

@invisibletosociety8338

3 жыл бұрын

That's brothers were so many of them around.for cheap

I think I saw these 2 SMG's on "The Armourers Bench" a few years ago.

Aproximately at the same time M.T.Kalashnikov suggested a couple of very interesting experimentsl SMG's to the Soviet army. They were rejected because the army didn't need any SMG at that time. Experimental samoles are stored now in the Artillery museum, Saint Petersburg, Russia.

Wow this actually has a telescoping bolt like a UZI.

So happy to have Ian (gun jesus) this man is gold,, I’ve been following for years now

Cody gun museum is so f*king awesome. I saw ya once but didnt wana interrupt ur tour u were giving. Good stuff!

I was quite literally lowering my hand from my mouth, having placed it there to burb. When my attention and direction of motion switched to clicking this video. I love stupid shit like this so much. Believe me or not I don't care, I just wanted to share the smile I got from it xD

I think a really cool sponsored series would be Ian and a gunsmith do one off replicas of prototype firearms that can't be fired and test them.

those wires look like an AK wire stock but didn't even committed to do it

in my subscriptions 1 minute after posting? youtube actually working today i guess

@marvindebot3264

3 жыл бұрын

It's a miracle of The Gun Jesus! He has beat the dreaded FB algorithm. All praise to Him!

@toasthouse12

3 жыл бұрын

@@marvindebot3264 susan wouldn’t dare cross gun jesus

"Getting a gun to mostly work is not that hard." True with other things as well.

I think they look really similar to the "Avenger SMG" Produced by Loyalist Paramilitaries in Ireland (Ulster Defense Association, Ulster Volunteer Force, etc.)

This would be called "SMG" In a cheap game lol

@404found00

3 жыл бұрын

Cleaner's Carbine without the silencer

Oh you hafta check out the basement while your there. The military arms library down there is awesome! Another great collection to check out is the King ropes museum in Sheridan.

"A nice, solid folding wire stock" said Ian never ever.

Grew up watching the I. M. Force and Uncle Agents using these! Thanks!

Ian, precongratulations for 2 million. Nobody has worked harder on youtube to create a compendium of firearms history. Here's to you boss.

Thanks again Mr Ian!

I've heard Ian say 'If you're interested in these' so often I had to double take to see if he was at Rock Island and I didn't notice. I was really surprised that these were going to be for sale! And then he continued to talk about them being displayed. Smoothly done good sir.

Looks like a mashup between a Winchester Liberator shotgun and a Walther MPL. I love it.

for some reason its aesthetically pleasing to me, and I didn't expect that from winchester

secondary use as a shoe horn, back scratcher, and barf bag

Can we have PPS43? No, we have PPS43 at home ^PPS43 at home.

Looks very Tatooine like ! 🤔 Jawa weapon of choice.

Thank you , Ian

Yes. My daily fix of knowledge

@williamsample2631

3 жыл бұрын

Get it now before big Tech sensors it!

But why do I find it so aesthetically appealing

All functional issues aside, these things just *look* incredible. Really cool lines.

VERY cool peek at a truly forgotten weapon.

"Hey boss, should we add a lever to the bolt system so the operator can cock the gun?" "Nah just throw on s couple of serrations and call it a day."

Great video

I think I see at least one functional problem here. The model 4 has the bolt serrations towards the rear of the slot - meaning that as you pull back, you progressively lose what's letting you grip it in the first place. :-P

The charging grooves kinda look like the ones on the welgun

Tremendously excellent!

Remind me of the Walther MPs

I love the look of these, and I think they would have been pretty awesome with more R and D, but I could totally see some higher up in the company saying "Why are you trying to reinvent the MP40?" And the engineers just giving up with a big sigh.

I do like the clean look of it.

I love the stock being a foregrip idea

So close to 2M subscribers!

2:10 Ian getting sidetracked by the peculiarities and realizing he have to make the rest of the video.

Fascinating, it fits with the pattern of the military likely what Winchester did, only when they asked Winchester to do it, their competitor to the garand went nowhere, yet when they didnt bid on the m1 carbine, they were requested to do so, and here we have another attempt to produce something for the military, but it dies in infancy

Imma come out. I love the aesthetic. The thing looks AWESOME.

Looks straight out of Fallout. And I'm talking about the original game series. Goes to show what exellent artists were involved in that project, that they perfectly captured the 50's futuristic aestathic.

Not to say that looks is a very important thing for a firearm designed for military forces but this simple design is very elegant and attractive. It just looks cool to me.

The Cody Firearm museum has given me a reason to go to Wyoming.

They have a good look, Shame they couldn't make them work.

@aswedishguy682

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

Pretty sure that in the previous 670 comments, someone's already mentioned how these can be props from a Star Wars movie/series (i.e. The Mandalorian), but in case it hasn't been mentioned, here you go - "Those look like guns from a Star Wars movie/series."

Truly forgotten

Interesting. Great job Ian and thanks. God bless all here.

Wow...!!! What a beautiful design, somebody should make a modern version of those guns...!!!

Ian, you've already done so much research on different SMG's; I really think Headstamp's next book should be "SMG's of the Resistance" focusing on the developments of SMG's that aimed primarily at quickly arming resistance groups.

Herbert Howes' book is so substantial it makes mysterious noises whenever it's moved

I like the styling of it.

Those look like Star Wars guns. Might need more things glued on tho

They look fantastic....

I love how so many of these prototype SMGs and pistols look like Khyber Pass custom guns. I wouldn't be surprised to see this hanging on the wall in Darra.

These are very retro sci-fi in the look, especially the N4 with the blued finish

Gee Ian, i do wish that im gonna sleep early tonight, but oh hey, you uploaded, another day sleeping at 3 am it is

Their pretty badass looking guns! 😎👍🏼

"It's the NATO burp gun!" MP40: "Am I a joke to you?"

Don't miss the basement, especially the reference and storage section near the elevator. The Cody is a place for a gun geek to spend a week, but the family will get bored after two days. Look under the main display cases for drawers full of related guns. Geoff Who was there with a crowd, unfortunately.

That's actually a very cool looking SMG.

I wish these videos were around when my dad was alive. He kept massive stacks of gun literature all around the house and knew exactly where stuff on certain topics could be found. I think he was an even bigger gun nerd than Ian.

On the subject of Winchesters I would like to see you make a video on one of the model 94 short 12-14 inch barreled trappers.

Hi Ian - great content - can I make a small suggestion? Bring a small flashlight to highlight details - especially interior elements that tend to be shaded on camera. Keep it up!

Working or not. Those are AWESOME!!!!!