"I think that people think of snow and ice as something slippery. We think of it, amazing grip." -Andreas Mikkelsen, Norwegian rally driver during Swedish Rally 2024.

@augure2589

4 ай бұрын

On pure glass field grip is harder than tarmac, but there was snow. This year Sweden provide Monte-Carlo tricks... now some boring regular dirt rallys to comes.

@voxar77410

4 ай бұрын

@@augure2589 next rally is Kenya, boring regular rallys comes after.

@laineracing

4 ай бұрын

@@voxar77410then there is rally finland and more boring rallies

@hw2508

3 ай бұрын

Isn't it in Scandinavia legal to drive with studs on a regular car? Don't know exactly, but I talked with a couple once, from Norway I think they were, and they told me that when you pay a little extra, it is allowed to use studs or spikes.

@ulvsbane

3 ай бұрын

@@hw2508 Can't speak for the other Scandinavian countries, but in Sweden studded tyres are allowed Oct 1 - April 15 (and you have to use some kind of winter tyres Dec 1 - Mars 31). The studs are much smaller than on rally tyres though. I think that they use 7 mm long studs, while we are only allowed to use 1.2 mm long with a maximum weight of 1.1 g per stud. There's also a limit on the number of studs that are allowed to use, 90 studs for

Btw, Esapekka won the Sweden Rally 2024.

@infernalstormrider

4 ай бұрын

🇫🇮Suomi Perkele 🇫🇮

@sombrero4316

4 ай бұрын

that's how we know he knows what he's talking about

@Disco144K

4 ай бұрын

He also lost the 1st or 2nd position in the 2023 Sweden Rally because of the tire letting go and it was from overheating and wear. Heart wrenching but this year it was won awesome 2024 season so far!

@maybenot6075

4 ай бұрын

​@@Disco144Kno that was because pirellis rally tyres are just awful, all the drivers hated them and called them out. After rally japan 2022 (check out sebastien ogiers comments) the drivers basically forced pirelli out the sport. Theyre now on michelins which have not just proved way more reliable theyre actually faster 😂

@laurocuha6546

4 ай бұрын

​@@maybenot6075serious.. maybenot....definitely troll, or one of our lovely bots.

If you haven't tried just regular studded tires on your car on ice and snow, you would be amazed! Also the guy in the video ( Esapekka Lappi) just won Rally Sweden.

@saramalou9649

4 ай бұрын

finns = na.i's

@Mastermind12358

4 ай бұрын

Yes but beware that they absolutely destroy the roads, and cause a massive amount of fine dust pollution. It's estimated that studded tires cause 40 times greater damage to the roads than regular tires. And the studs on regular studded tires do absolute nothing in snow. They are only there for the ice.

@manwhoneversleeps

4 ай бұрын

@@Mastermind12358 Yeah. Studded tires are the norm here and I use them too. More than half of the year is ice and snow.

@saramalou9649

4 ай бұрын

@@Mastermind12358 good lord. go back to the cave u came from

@saramalou9649

4 ай бұрын

@@Mastermind12358 1cm studs here. fk the government and their shitty pavement

I live in Umeå, Sweden. And the past weekend our city hosted the Rally Sweden. It is even more impressive to see the speeds in person.. absolutely insane

@leiflillandt1488

4 ай бұрын

I also visited the rally, but I tried to get some interesting photos. Then I met two friends who actually asked how I was doing (How are you?) Then we talked about the race, as the guys were competitors (Esapekka and Thierry). We know each other since 2010... 😉

@seelenwinter6662

4 ай бұрын

thats right... i live not 5 km away from the german ralley and i can look not only the race although the training too... that few days i have ever free at work, because i wont miss a second of it....^^

One of apparently quite a few Finnish viewers here. We actually use studded winter tires in just day to day winter driving, although it is becoming more and more common to have studless winter tires, and even some places keeping you from using studded tires on those roads. The studded tires we use are nowhere near as agressive as the ones used on those rally cars, but still the studs are very impressive.

@NLoGBB

4 ай бұрын

Swede here. I got two cars, one newer without studs and an old car with studded tires and it can handle the weather much better. But actually the slippery roads get worst when going to the south of Sweden. Not much snow but a lot of wet slippery ice. I don't know it's the same in southern Finland.

@merhaba8

4 ай бұрын

Can you drive studded tyres on sealed roads at all without quickly wearing them out?

@erik....

4 ай бұрын

@@merhaba8 yes the studs barely peak out at all on street legal tires. But those rally tires would wear out in no time.

@Hipas_Account

4 ай бұрын

@@merhaba8 My 2014 Peugeot 208 has almost 10 yearold studded tires and theyre still okay, not the best winter tires ive had, but definitely not the worst. Not entirely sure if thats a tremendously long time for studded tires, but its had them on every winter for the past 10 years, and done very average winter conditions driving.

@merhaba8

4 ай бұрын

@@Hipas_Account So you also drive on tarseal or only snow? I’d be a bit concerned with the sidewall condition after 10yrs. We normally look at 6 years here in New Zealand but our UV is probably harder than yours and if stored inside it would be better.

The studs in these rally tires are sticking 7 mm outwards from the surface of the tire. Here in Finland, the max legal limit is 2 mm and that's for worn tires where the rubber has worn away but the stud is still there. For brand new tires, the legal limit is 1.2 mm so the studs are barely sticking out of the tire. This is the reason why studded winter tires will get better traction on ice when used a bit. And the longer studs are really important if there's some snow on top of the ice. Imagine situation where there's 5 mm worth of snow on ice. The rally tire can still grab the surface of the ice with studs, the street legal tire is fully floating on snow.

This dude is Esa-Pekka Lappi from Finland, who also won the last Swedish WRC-rally just some days ago. Greets from Finland 🇫🇮

Rally Sweden 2024 was held this last weekend and only Rally Finland is faster than Rally Sweden in the WRC season. They have amazing grip, sometimes better than on gravel. The more ice the better the grip is. The grip is also off course the cars it self, they are advanced, a WRC car cost c:a 1 million USD.

It's how I ended up enjoying a 1980 Buick Century Estate even in Norwegian winter, I got some narrow Pirelli studded winter tires for it, and never really had any struggles even without fancy electronics to help. My current car also has studded winter tires, but it's also more modern with traction control, so the Opel Astra diesel I got gets around easily without any wheelspin. As for the Narrower tires bit, my dad used to have a 1990 Ford Bronco, 33" summer wheels, but for winter it got some narrow M+S ones, as it was just plain better. Edit: As for legality, the rally tires aren't road legal, the studs are too big, there are road legal studded winter tires, which is what I got, though studless winter tires have gotten a lot better over the years, the one thing the studded ones still do better is driving on ice.

Love my Nokian Hakka 8 studded tires. But then again I live in Northern Norway where we have snow and ice from Oct to late Apr.

Lappi won the Sweden Rally yesterday.

Rally winter tires got absolute brutal grip last year at WRC Swedish Rally the highest avrage´s speed over the even was 141 km/t (87,6 mph).

I've heard rally drivers state that there's more grip with the studded tyres on snow and ice than there is with normal dirt tyres on a dirt course.

Google translate from a hungarian site: Driving with studded tires is allowed in Austria, the Republic of Albania, Belgium, Norway, Estonia, Finland, Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, France, Great Britain, Iceland, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Sweden and Switzerland. However, many of these countries have their own studded tire regulations. In the Scandinavian countries, for example, there is a law according to which no more than 50 studs can be on a tire per one meter of its circumference. In Austria, studded tires can only be used between October 1 and May 31 on cars under 3.5 tons, and vehicles equipped with such tires can travel at a maximum speed of 100 km/h on the highway and 80 km/h on other roads. In Belgium, angles are only allowed between November 1 and March 31, and the speed limit is stricter: 90 km/h on motorways, 60 km/h on other roads.

@E33Tpro

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, but the studs are also very different and much smaller, studded rally tires are not road legal in any amount because of their big size.

I think there is a film with the old Rally Champion and Monte Carlo Winner: Timo Makinen driving a Cooper S on a gravel road in a Finnish Wood, changing gears, braking and talking while doing it! He looks like a madman but it goes incredible fast!

IWRocker You should visit WRC Rally in my hometown Umeå in Sweden next year in the middle of februari and see some cool winter rally!

@TheBlackD

4 ай бұрын

I was there ! Awesome region I will come back next year for sure !

In Germany, stud tires were legal until the 1970s, after which they were banned because of the damage to the road surface if you changed them (often too late) to "normal" winter tires without studs. These tires often tore small pieces out of the road when there was no snow. I think the last tire sold had a 1974 label on it, everything after that was punished with a fine if you were "caught" with it... that then led to the "winter catastrophe of 1978" where army tanks were used in "civil disaster protection".

@ulie1960

4 ай бұрын

I agree with almost all of your posting, but the "winter catastrophe of 1978/79" had nothing to do tires without studs. I agree that studded tires work better on snow and ice, but only if the snow is relativly hard on the surface. I soft and even deep snow they won't work as well because they don't have anything to grip to. And back in 78/79 we had a lot of snow, and especially high snow drifts. In some places you could walk over the fields, but the roads were packed with snow up to a few meter high. That's why they brought in the army with tanks to clear the roads, and helicopter to transport provisions and people to and from those villages where the roads were drowned in the snow. I remember one morning when I wanted to go to work and when we opend the door we looked at a solid wall of snow. Went to bed again and a few hours later we took to the task of getting out f the house. Took us two hours to get a narrrow path over the 5 meter / 15 feet to the road....

@leiflillandt1488

4 ай бұрын

​@@ulie1960I would like to know which village/town/valley you are talking about. I was cross-country skiing in Austria (Tirol/Kitzbühel) a couple of winters from 1980!

@ulie1960

4 ай бұрын

@@leiflillandt1488 I live in Northern Germany near Hamburg. That winter in 1978/79 there was a certain weather situation which had cold wind from the east and there was warmer air in the west. The result were lots of snow and freezing temperatures. All of the then DDR and the northern part of Germany were under lots of snow. The wind and the type of landscape caused the problems. Snow pilled up on streets and on raillines and for a few days nothing worked. Open powerlines were damaged thus causing power outage in villages. It was a type of weather not usual for the area so nobody was prepared. They got snowplows from Bavaria to clear the roads. You can find footage on KZread if you look for "Schneekatastrophe 1978". There are lots of videos. Even some documentarys by the NDR our TV and radio station. One result were that one town bought a snowblower after the event and were not be able to use it for 30 years because you need a certain heigh of snow for it to work.

Rally studs are ca 5x longer than street legal studs (even those are not allowed in every country). If you might have seen somewhere winter tires with a lot of round holes then those holes can be filled with studs so you have option to get a cheaper tire that is winter legal or pay extra for better winter performance. I personally prefer factory stud placement. As for narrow vs wide tire. On normal conditions there is not much difference (i think someone even made a video about it), in rally the purpouse is to get those spikes through the snow into the frozen ground. Offroad the purpouse for big aired down tires is to float on top of the snow.

So many people get that so wrong with tire width. For snow you always want narrow tires, so they can 'dig down' in the snow for grip. Deflating wide tires will also make it worse, except for the special tries they got on custom "arctic trucks. Studs are great. Driving on stud less here, but i really miss the studs frequently. Really cant beat them on (wet/warm)snow and ice. But when it gets cold stud-less works almost equally good. The colder the better. Its really great grip in -15C and below.

It is one of the biggest reasons that there are so many accidents in the winter in the US, is that they have the wrong kind of winter tires and tire sizes on their vehicles.

In France, in snow regions (like mountains), they are mandatory during winter, but are average tires with studs, not like the rally ones, For regular Rally tires (on dry tarmac or dirt), they used to have people carving then out (manually) for each stage (specific threads, very secretive). Once again , sorry for my bad English. Take care! ps, Nowadays, there's a different law, during Winter time (in snow regions), you need to have at least 'rain tyres'+ 'skirts', if not snow tyres. Studed tyres, don't do well on dry tarmac (studs come out).

Next WRC rally is in Kenia Safary Rally ! There is totally differend tyres.

I once bought new summer tires here in Finland and found text for all seasons North America on tire side. I was a bit surpriced cause I use studded winter tires in winter. Those on vid are only for competitions you arent allowed to use them on regular car and If I remember correct not even in Monte-Carlo rally.

@jattikuukunen

4 ай бұрын

vähälumisia kesiä varten

Also please notice how good Esapekka's English is, as is all Nordic Rally Drivers, it is a testament to the Nordic education system. As someone growing up in roughly same part of Wales I have to say Elfyn Evans' English is very good too, lol. Pob hwyl.

From this weekend rally sweden. And the Guy in the clip was the winner of the rally.

My hometown hero. Just won swedish rally

What helps "decoding" tires and how they behave is to realize that the contact patch of a tire does not move in relation to the road. It is stationary, in ideal conditions when the tire is not slipping. The the downmost point in a tire has 0kmh speed, relative to the road. If you imagine the tire to be just a lot of shoes at the end of the spokes, each shoe when it contacts the road has no speed and it is "replaced" by the next shoe. So, the contact patch doesn't move but it is replaced constantly as the tire rotates. What this means is that the friction type is static friction, which is much stronger than dynamic friction. When you move a bookshelf, it doesn't want to move, then it snaps from static friction to dynamic friction and it is fairly easily to slide around. On asphalt the difference is around 1/3rd, in favor of static friction. Rotating tire has at least one third more grip than sliding tire. In the snow and mud, things do change, on dry tarmac about 5% tire slipping is the maximum force you can get from that tire. On snow.. you are going to slide a LOT more and the difference between static and dynamic is.. a mess. But i have found it extremely useful when we are talking about tires to know how it actually works, and it is still mindblowing to me that the part of the tire contacting the road.. doesn't move, and yet, the car does... The topside of the tire moves twice as fast, so if you are going 200kmh, the top side of the tire is moving 400kmh, in relation to the road. Oh, one more thing: since the contact patch is stationary, this also means that the rubber is chemically bonding to the asphalt.. This is stickiness. The only way it can chemically bond is if it is stationary just for a moment, while being pressed against the road with a lot of force, on small area. The bonds are just hydrogen-hydrogen bonds, weak but when the tire is sticky enough.. pieces of the tire will rip off from the surface.. That is another thing that is missing when driving on snow and ice.

@gedece

4 ай бұрын

By definition, the top of the tire is stationary and opposed to the asphalt, it just gets replaced very quickly.

@jattikuukunen

4 ай бұрын

@@gedece it gets replaced with twice the speed of the car. The part touching the road gets replaced, too, but first it moves towards the road and then away from it (following a cycloid curve), which in this case means that its speed was momentarily zero with reference to the road.

you should look at a 2CV in the snow, tiny tires and engine, but it get through

Great week-end great sweden rally.

@Rix.67

4 ай бұрын

🇸🇪

@augure2589

4 ай бұрын

@@Rix.67 everything was here! "Easy" Monte-Carlo, triky Sweden this year. Lappi deal with it very well.

That diagonal staggering seems unique technique that started to be used on AWD rally cars not that long ago and probably may depend on both AWD and their differentials. IIRC stems from Monte-carlo rallies that had both snow/ice and trarmac in their stages, so some teams used such different on each side tire mix of snow & tarmac tires in diagonal staggered fashion.

Esapekka Lappi is finlands weapon of choice for this wrc season. I truly hope that this is his year 💪

My brother in law had a Citroen 2cv with its thin tyres, and drove up a hill in winter with no problem, where others with fat winter tyres were slip sliding away, he would put that thing in second gear and off he would go, leaving everyone behind, anyone with a tyre over 175 had problems getting traction, fortunately lately we see next to no snow, again a fantastic reaction, great fun. 😊

@ulie1960

4 ай бұрын

Yes, that was the same with my now wife. Back in the 1980s she also had a 2CV and outperformed everyone in snowy conditions. But then the tires on that car looked more like disks for an angle grinder compared to the usuall tire width on other cars. Even some motobikes had wider tires. But hey, it was fun to drive that car not only in the winter. In winter it was hard because that thing didn't have a proper heating, since the car was air cooled and had only about 0.6 liter in two cylinders (she had one of the late models with the big engine and 29 hp). Not much heat to get from that....

In right conditions those tires have more grip on snow/ice than gravel tires on gravel

The WRC will most probably host a rally in Tennessee in 2026. You should definitely cover it in person.

Non studded snow tyres are designed to retain snow in the large grooves as snow on snow has an adhesion value better than just rubber on snow, you already understand the principle of narrow tyres on snow as that creates more pressure/weight per square cm. Fresh snow and older compacted snow present different coefficients of friction so those setting off first may consider different tyre/stud combinations from those bringing up the rear

The thing with the narrow tires partially refers back to the "2CV in snow and ice" video. Both the Sweden Rally and Monte-Carlo were amazing this year, the season's off to a great start.

First time on studded tyres for me was in a rental VW New Beetle just north of the polar circle. Temperature highs were between -10 and -15 Celsius, the snowy roads 100% uncleared but rather had the snow compressed to for a pretty hard surface. It was a revelation! The Beetle was going through corners like it was on rails. If I overdid it, the ESP caught the car in no time at all. Really, really nice to drive.

0:39 My man just summarized whole american automotive industry :D

@DaweSlayer

4 ай бұрын

Supposedly american cars were actually bad for "advanced driving". Everything that is not going straight. They don't have cars that can do this, so they don't have skill and so they like everything that does not involve steering wheel, just power :) But drag race engeneering is super insane! And u can see the whole track from one place, no chance in rally thru few villages.

@maksymilianpasternak8529

3 ай бұрын

@@DaweSlayer yeah it's only a joke

Got to love Rally.

You should check out iceracing it's like speedway on ice

@XtreeM_FaiL

4 ай бұрын

Ice speedways is just like speedway on ice.

The technical inspection in my country accepts narrower tires for winter tires.

narrow tires: as a student I drove an Opel Corsa and always had the last laugh when winter came "unexpectedly". With snow remaining even on the Autobahn, all the BMWs, Mercedes etc with their "breiten Schlappen"(wide slippers) as we call them, were losing their grip and "dancing" especially on the snow covered cobbled streets, whilst I was plowing thru. That was nice. And nowadays, driving a "grown up" car, I make sure to put on my winter tires in time, as I really do not want a Corsa driver laughing at me. 😂

In drifting, narrow front wheels are also good chose because when you're flying with turned wheels, the front wheels grip the road better, increasing control and helping to brake when going backward. For example, take an eraser and try running it along the surface with the front and side faces. The side will bend, but it grips the surface better.

The studs actually grabs the best on pure ice.

@JJ79_

3 ай бұрын

Not really.

@esaedvik

3 ай бұрын

@@JJ79_ What would they grab onto in powder snow?

@IWrocker You were wondering is studded tires were street legal. That raised my curiosity as well. I live in southern Ontario, and they aren't legal here, but they've been legal in norther Ontario for as long as I can remember. I looked it up, and it turns out they are legal in all provinces with some allowing them earlier in the season, and going until either March, April or May depending on where you are. Now something interesting. Those rally tires had up to 280 studs per tire, but in the jurisdictions that allow them here, it seems you are only allowed 130 studs total for all 4 wheels. Interesting!

@jattikuukunen

4 ай бұрын

probably studs that long are not allowed either

@pugle1

4 ай бұрын

@@jattikuukunen Very possibly

In Iceland, big wide tires with a little air are a must if you have to drive a car in the winter on the snow. To make it past the cracks.

I'm not American but I love NASCAR, however Rally is on a totally different level of craziness. How people don't constantly die in rally (both drivers/co-drivers and ESPECIALLY spectators) I don't know.

@dborgqvist

3 ай бұрын

Have you seen the inside of a rallycar? They are way safer than a normal street car and it's way more dangerous to drive in normal traffic than in a rally competition. :)

@Arjay404

3 ай бұрын

@@dborgqvist okay sure, but what about the crazy spectators that get away too close to the zooming cars

@dborgqvist

3 ай бұрын

@@Arjay404 Spectators are in alot more danger, yeah. That is one of the biggest issues with rallying today. Some people don't understand the danger they put themselves in, and the sport if a big accident would happen. In the WRC today, there are safety officials that study live incar videos and if they spot spectators in dagerous places, the stage will be cancelled immediately.

I love that we get to see your wee cat, just before the video starts Ian. They sure do love their cat tree! Happy kitty! 😁😺

I believe the preference for narrow tires on Rally cars on snow/ice is due to the fact that you still drive on some kind of a road and usually you expect decent levels of snow for your tire to dig in. But if you go in Off-Road conditions on winter, you don't know what you'll meet and your chances are that if you dig in too much with the tires, you'll bank your vehicle, so you want as little pressure per surface as possible (hence, larger tires - or even tracks like in bulldozers and tanks). The same applies for snow storms, where the snow quantity falling from clouds is larger than usual. On Rally races though, the race track is still somewhat maintained and usually you don't see any high snow on it, so you'll go with what could give you the best performance (against what could allow your vehicle to get you unstuck in any situation).

"When we talk of car driving, we're talking Rally car driving. Everything else is a walk in the park." Walter Röhrl, 2x Rally Champion, 14 Rally wins and Group-B-Monster, giving Audi Quattro the prestige it has now. Still drives in show races with older cars at age 76.

You know Asfalt racing, as we call it here in Norway. there they use both rain tires and slicks, but they also use to change the camber and throw angles, this to improve the grip on the tarmac. This is not done in Rally, where the damper path is just as important, whether it is a summer rally or a winter rally. The car is often much stiffer on summer rallies than on winter rallies, even though the damper travel may be the same length. I have even tried a rally car on ice with studs, and it fits almost better than normal tires on summer roads.

the driver explaining won the rally last weekeend, EP Lappi. No desert on WRC.

if you wana buy those they are 600e one tire and in typigal national rally in here dinland we use 10 on one rally :D

@ihanvaavp5383

4 ай бұрын

"finland"

You should check out ice racing, they are like rally snow/ice tires on steroids, the studs on those tires are INSANE!

@Mike40M

4 ай бұрын

Oh, just 28 mm.

@Anson_AKB

4 ай бұрын

ice bike races, on round tracks in a stadium, are insane. a hedgehog looks smooth in comparison :-)

also the narrow tyre gives more pressure per stud and helps it to dig in the ice.. imaging laying on spike mat versus stepping on nail :D

I also must take this point; these guys driving these WRC-cars are the best drivers on this ball. There is snow, ice, sand, stones, asphalt, light, even night and no lights but from the car, on these Narrow roads they race on. Respect.

@hugoswr

4 ай бұрын

They also face very difficult weather conditions sometimes, with fog snow heavy rain. I don’t know if you saw but on last Friday night at rally Sweden there was very difficult conditions Lappi (the guy in the video, who won the rally btw) said he couldn’t see at 50m during friday night because of the snow falling. « You have to trust the notes » he said, but damn these guys have balls of steel going this fast without even knowing where exactly they must go since they sometimes travel at 50m/s 😮 On snow ❄️ at night 🫡

I was there last weekend. What an awesome event ! We rented a car with spikes to drive around and I must say we wouldn't have driven far without them. Even the main roads are covered in ice. You can drive 100kph on fast farm roads with ease. One of the best driving experience of my life. The rally was cool too lol

Robert Kubica used to put tarmac tires instead of studded ones in road sections at Monte Carlo, to save studs for next stages.

in german winters we had almost no problem with the CV2 :) Several vids out here on youtube. Random video on the search term "CV2 winter" is "How good is a Citroen 2CV in the snow?" in it's title.

At one point, NASCAR's official European Series planned a non-championship race on snow, however that was cancelled due to the pandemic.

The tires on the right can look like this after only approx. 30-50 km of driving, if there is some gravel in the grooves. Rally tires may not be used on public roads, except in designated competitions.

I lived in Finland for 10 years and they have a law that says you have to have winter tires on your car from 01.11 to 31.03> they have two kinds of tires ones with studs in (NOT as big as the studs rally cars use) for mostly Icy roads and snow tires, these do not have studs but are better at gipping to just snow and they make a really big different

In Sweden the old regulations state that a studded tire may have a maximum of 50 studs per meter of rolling circumference with a maximum stud protrusion of 1.2 millimeters when new. There is a new supplementary set of regulations that measures road wear. Then each tire model is tested and then the number of studs in the test and protrusion when the tire is new is indicated. There is no maximum number of studs.

Should come check out Rally Estonia / Rally Finland in person and taste some of the awesome local beers and be part of the whole rally crowd for once in a lifetime experience. With Norwegian Air, plane tickets from Chicago/NY to Norway/Finland/Latvia used to be like 200$.

@solidsteel3634

4 ай бұрын

Beer? In Finland? Do they still have these type classes from I to IV? We always called it "children's amusement water" and smuggled pallets of German beer into Finland 🤣

@JDoeX

4 ай бұрын

@@solidsteel3634 yea the Finns are importing Estonian beers in masses, so now they got good beer too :D

His tires has 288 studs. In comparison, here in Norway tires larger than 16" are allowed 130 studs and those studs are also WAY smaller than on the rally tires. No wonder theres a notable difference around a track :o

When there is enough snow the Sweden rally has the highest cornering speeds because the drivers use the walls of snow either side of the road to keep the rear of the car in line.

Random question but have you upgraded your mic? Sounds good, what type are you using? 🙂

You should watch a video titled "The Fastest Tractor (Full length) New Guinness World Record, Juha Kankkunen & Nokian Heavy Tires" showing a tractor running 130 km/h after snow on winter tires .Winter tires are narrower to increase the pressure on the ground, which translates into better grip. Wide tires are used for driving on sand and mud to reduce the pressure on the ground and increase the grip surface

studs are forbidden on public road in many european countries. The countries I know that studs are used on public roads in the winter season, are Sweden, Finland and Switzerland. In Switzerland the cars with studs have to have a sticker in back of the car, showing that the speed limit is 80 km/h. Most roads in Sweden and Finland are always covered in snow. In Switzerland, snow on the roads in the mountains and mountain valleys are cleared there is still a layer of snow. With the right equipment its saver to drive on snow than on salted roads where melted snow could turn to black-ice. You go to Denmark (and I have seen it alot in the US as well), and just a little snowfall on the road is enough to create chaos on the road, by cars that do not have winter tires (not all season). In the US, it was mainy trucks that were laying left and right, simply because of gravitationsl balance being too high above the road and because of rear wheel drive, where the truck is the lightest - a recepy for disaster. In Switzerland and Germany (and other countries) you loose your drivers license if caught driving without winter tires during winter season. If you are involved in an accident, no insurance will pay for the damage as well, if no winter tires during winter season. Could be an interesting subject for you to cover ;) Greetings!

When you look at the tires that are used on rally cars in winter rallies, there's no need to be surprised. They have such spikes that it's a wonder if they don't bite into ice or harder snow

The more weight that you put on ice will help ice to change it from a solid state to a liquid state. The smaller the surface area of the weight, the more pressure you exert on the ice to change it to a liquid. That's why ice skate blades look the way they do.

Hi Ian, i know you can drive manual, maybe check out the vid. of Walter Rorhl our old champ '84 i believe ( fancy footwork on those pedals)

In the Nordic countries studded tyres are legal on street cars while in central europe like germany and austria they are not. So it's pretty scary transversing the alps on summer tyres. I use not studded winter tyres in Stockholm because they have a softer rubber mixture than summer tyres which gives me a good grip on winter surfaces, except on polished ice, and doesn't wear down the tarmac on snow-free roads. But my winter tyres are slimmer than the ones I use in the summer.

you should check out some Hard Water Racing. both cars and bikes. (HWR) is racing on a frozen lake or body of water. theres different classes - rubber to ice, stud to ice rear or front wheel, and and 4 stud to ice... huge difference no stud and studded in times. the same can be said for bike racing on ice too. for cars and bikes here it mostly circle track racing. hard to make a road track with equipment on the ice and not fall through as everything depends on ice thickness. also the stress put down on the ice to so you prefer to build it in shallow water like a bay. we keep the cars to 4cyl and the weight down and both the car clubs and the bike clubs work hand in hand to due a full weekend of racing. ave temps here on a nice day is -20C or -30c but if there is a wind then its much worse, lol

Greetings from Helsinki, Finland. I have 304 studs of my bike tyres. I have Nokia Tyres Hakka 300 tyres. Best tyres of winter cykling. 👍❤

well here in Europe noprthen parts we actually use similar tyres with studs if you want, so tyre is thinner you change tyres every season, or buy universal ones. so spikes are small ones not like in rally car, but difference is huge, especially than you brake it grabs like nails of cat into your beck, and you stop and can drive over ice no problem, also helps than car was standing and was snowing after a while here we have super wet super cold weather, so ice is ussual, to extent you cant drive off parking spot, so spikes eventually digs frew snow and on bottom always ice if you spin with normal tryre you will simply dig in and make it worse, studs grab and you get out with roll forward beckward motion.

6:44... You said "the used one after a long time"... That tire can look like that after one stage if there is much gravel peaking through the ice. They have to keep after the tires all the time to save them. A WRC tire isn't legal to drive if your not in competition in Sweden. To many studs and to high studs to be legal on the road. Other countrys, no idea!!

@roevhaal578

4 ай бұрын

I can't imagine anywhere allowing such agressive studs, would absolutely tear up the asphalt, it would be like driving with snow chains for half the year. Maybe somewhere with only dirt roads.

Sort of related.. the amount of water a wet tyre can displace with grooves is amazing. Road can be almost dry after the car has past.

Damn you need to come visit in finland. Specially mid winter. Driving like 5/12 months of the year when weather is shitty😂

In the U.S., different states have different laws regarding studded tires, what kind of studs, and when you can use them. Some states do not allow any kind of studded tires. A big mix. 📻🙂

How's the sim pedals and wheel going? Are you still doing that video?

Suggestion - please watch a Video about 'Fiaker' in Vienna, Fiaker is a horse drawn carriage who rides in the streets of Vienna in the first district. Also the Spanish Riding School with their Lippizaner horses is very famous. The history of Vienna is just phenomenal, people settled at the Danube already around 5000 BC, then Celts settlements and after Roman Military Fort which was called Vindobona. Dunno if you are a fan about history, but this one definetely is worth a try, Carriage in a City - I don't think a lot of cities have that Downtown - we have!

Even on dry surface, the best tyre width is defined by the weight of the car. You basically want the narrowest tires that are strong enough not to shear away with the forces caused by the weight of the car during cornering and braking.

In Norway studded tires are mandatory during winter.

One of the fun things used to be (still is ?) They never seem to give them quite enough of any particular type of tyre, so at some point they have to use worn or unsuitable tyres, especially if some drivers are more prone to tyre wear

Up here in Wisconsin we had studded tires on a car when I was a kid in the 70s. Wisconsin has banned them now tho because they tear up the roads too much. Chains are still legal tho, I'm pretty sure.

In FInland those used rally tires are abundent. every village where there is icetrack in winter, there is atleast one who has those. no roadlegal tho, just icetrack and racing use. you can pick up dryrotted rallyspike tires for like 50-100e a round. there is no use for those in real racing anymore so they are problem waste to them but a nice score for icetrack drivers.

They also use specialized winter tires for the Monaco rally

The road between my work and home looks exactly like the Rally stage in the video here (while i do live a bit south, i live in land and there is often a lot of snow here also).. and ... well.. my wife have a Peugeot 208.... that i borrow sometimes. Granted no 4x4.. so acceleration is a bit slower. I guess the engine is also not as strong so i guess it well matched on grip to horse power.

@Hipas_Account

4 ай бұрын

I also drive a 208, with the 1 liter 3cyl, and the winter conditions have made that car so much better in my eyes, who prefers older cars. Going from a 91 Caprice with a 5 liter V8 to a Pug 208 with a 1 liter turbo 3cyl was a big change, then again im also a French car enthusiast so not at all worried there.

@matsv201

4 ай бұрын

@@Hipas_Account yea.. I think we got the 1.3L. The engine is decently powerfull for a car that light. And tve gearbox is really quite snappy. This really helps a lot whe the car is torque limited. I'm not like a french car fan. But its fun to drive on snow and gravel.... on the highway... well.. less so

We call skinny snow tires "pizza cutters " up here in Canuckistan. I go down from 17's to 15's on my daily.

This reminds me the ice racing motorcycle tires. Pure nightmare fuel.

Think of it like train tracks , and the skinnier tire the more pressure pr inch or cm u have on the ground

It’s all about putting the pressure on the surface

Tire Reviews on YT did a test on wide vs narrow. the conclusion is that there is a difference, BUT it is more important to chose a quality tire.

You can buy Pirellis, 2000 euros a full round.

Narrow tires make a really big difference in the snow. Even with no studs humble VW beetle and Citroen 2CV work much better in the snow than most much fancier cars. Weight of the engine over the driving wheels makes a difference too.

Isnt there maximum average speed limit on rally stages, like 150 kilometers or more before that stage gets ruled out because of safety? And a limit of how many tires allowed per car as Esapekka Lappi mentions tyre rotation, as otherwise the put new ones on for every stage?

I drive on studded tires all winter. But the road legal ones is different. The studs have a limit o. How much they can stick out, and also how many studs there are avowed to be. I think I would.d wreck a set of rally tires in a day or two, since many roads are bare asfalt here.

The tires aren’t street legal but the cars get a special permit for temporary use (in Sweden).

narrow tyers compact the snow to a firmer base, so your grip or studs can dig in and not just churn slush.