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@johnnysizemore5797

4 жыл бұрын

Notes from a NG Human Idiot; Actually, this just happened recently in the group. Bit of background here: We as a group have been running a D&D 5e game ever since it came out, and we've been wanting to branch out a bit. I recently bought the Blades in The Dark RPG(nice system with a neat setting, i'd recommend it as a 2nd RPG system for any group.Just not my type of group, as you'll unfortunately see...) to try to elevate this. Ounce we got done with going over PC creation and worked through the first example senario, i started running it. 20 MINUTES into it, my Ork player get's double-crossed by my Edgelord who THEN get's "accidentally" killed by my Roleplayer, who get's set-up and arrested for it all by my Casual who's character then DIES by a bobby-trap set up earlier by the Ork Player. Needless to say that, after that debacle, i've decided not to use this as a back-up system for my group and will keep hunting around.... May your Pantheon ever favor you, Baron Trevelyan of Restenford

@colinchildress1251

4 жыл бұрын

Something happened with a player that is no longer in our group. I managed to make everyone literally laugh him out of the game. We were representing our kingdom at a crossroads with two other factions. I start taking a bath in the river as my Tortle Druid does, weirding all three factions out. Then the wizard tries to use Suggestion on the enemy leader to get him to make peace. It fails, and the leader just laughs. The wizard tries to go invisible, at which point I stand up and decide I'm not letting this guy start a war. So I cast Faerie Fire on him. He fails his dex save, and I turn him pink. All three armies laughed, making him rage quit. All three armies made peace after that, seeing that I was genuinely trying to mediate. It was one of the most stressful, and hilarious moments in all my D&D experiences (though I'm only 23).

@BlackRainRising

4 жыл бұрын

Actually in my game the local Druid order had the party kill these marauding necro/sorcerers and plant these special oak seeds in their bodies to grow new Treants that they had killed (the sorcerers started the treants killing each other but the party had to kill them cause they were made to attack the party, so pardon them for the act despite the situation, the druids wanted them to grow new ones from the bodies of the ones that started it) Halfway through this ordeal, the party Ranger convinces a couple others in the group that the Necromancer they are traveling with looks and acts and does the same things as the ones they are hunting, she would make a sufficient sacrifice since she was the one that laid the killing blow to the treant. When they went to assassinate her in her sleep, the rogue who was buddy buddy with the necro prayed for divine intervention, a solid % roll and a local Time Stop spell went off as the god of rogues steps in front of just the rogue asking for help, she lays the scene, asks for help. He tells her the next treasure horde SHE finds will pay the debt for his help, she agrees, he saves the Necromancer's spirit cause the act of the murder was too late to stop, but the soul was taken to the god of death, who favored this caster as she was a devout follower. They planted the seeds in her body and ran... fate smiled... the ranger and their new barbarian crashed into an Orc WAR BAND and... I own their character sheets. As for the Necro, she was brought back from the tree that rapidly grew from her body, born anew, new gear and a new goal... she only held the rogue as a close friend since she's the one that helped, she vowed that all others would only be shields and if they got in her way, whatever happened was not her fault. 5 miles in a circle around that tree was a dead decayed forest, she has since built a tower on it and made it her fortress, went through the Lich ritual to increase her power. Watching from the DM seat as I helped deal with the aftermath of each action was... fun, so much fun. Watching how they all play on the fly when something like that happens, all you can do is just think on the fly with them and set the course for what follows

@fhuber7507

4 жыл бұрын

Many games STARTED with PCs not liking each other... Most recently a particular fighter that the DM allowed to attack any party member he wanted, but we were not allowed to respond. I left that campaign. ****** If I had been running that necromancer, I would have hoarded the gems with the trapped souls and fed them to the phylactery when convenient to me. There was no good reason to ever let them out to be resurrected. There would have been purpose to the end of their existence by feeding my never ending quest for power.

@khazraknotreal7224

4 жыл бұрын

Who would ever return to that table? Like good for you buddy but holy shit I would have left after the first round of combat.

“If it was easy to kill a high level necromancer, you didn’t kill him.” -Zee Bashew

@MichaelJohnson-fr8yr

4 жыл бұрын

Dam right

@morgantaylor84

4 жыл бұрын

"If it was easy to kill a high level Wizard, you didn't kill him." -Me

@TerrariaGolem

4 жыл бұрын

Me: My second ever character was a necromancer... A gnome. Named Gnogio. He's dead.

@sirsneakybeaky

4 жыл бұрын

Id had a necromancer who started off as a "use the dead for the betterment of mankind." My party never believed me (meta i had always played evil characters who would slowly influence the world to create more evil.) They decided to end me as i was getting to powerful. Well plot twist when you put a horder whos been doing nothing but hiding and protecting powerful relics and scrolls from bad guys into a postion of complete betrayal by who they were sworn to protect. Well things happen.

@monday7352

4 жыл бұрын

Sir Sneaky Beaky Lmao what’s great about that is it’s technically your party member fault for killing you

The Party: You've beaten me at my own game The Necromancer: Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.

@vasudean

4 жыл бұрын

Azula: "Zing!"

@cryptowatcher5963

4 жыл бұрын

Never a player, always... a pawn.

@magiv4205

4 жыл бұрын

This made me grin

@bbd121

4 жыл бұрын

I understood that reference.

@bryanwoods3373

4 жыл бұрын

Sad thing is that there were probably dozens of signs he was a veteran player. They just weren't experienced enough to recognize them.

Bro, he did worse than kill them. He forced them into retirement.

Becoming a lich with your own dungeon to become a BBEG for another group of adventurers.

@thisiscoral

4 жыл бұрын

Considering how much trouble me gave his former companions at that early stage of his necromancy, Id say he might he too OP for a BBEG 😅😅

@edoardoprevelato6577

4 жыл бұрын

Momonga - you are doing it well.

@mythologicalnomad6520

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps a BBEG that is fought via large scale fighting? Utilize armies to over take the sanctum and defeat whatever may be guarding it. Probably have to have something that weakens the necros Powers to make him on par with the party a bit more as well for the final fight. I’d expect many of them if not all would die to end this necromancers reign and the country to uphold these brave heroes forever as legends. I do love when campaigns end with the whole country/world being changed due to the final actions of the heroes

@Zerggodmaster

4 жыл бұрын

just imagine the dm calls you in when they fight your character

@williamkim9861

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zerggodmaster as the group gathered for another good ol session they suddenly saw their DM pull out his phone to call someone to come. When asked about who or why he smiled mysteriously chuckling at the thought before saying, "Oh. It's nothing. Nothing to worry about." Half an hour later a dude appeared in the doorway holding a couple of sheets of papers. The party got a chill as they recognized him. "So, did you miss me?"

The most heartening part of this was that at the end he offered to start a new campaign and they all accepted. I guess they were all humble enough to know when they had messed up.

@devonmills1968

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was shocking tbh

@nickm9102

4 жыл бұрын

Most of my DMs are like this. We look for a decent optimization build. Because we know what the others can do we have to run combat at higher difficulty than written. Most Adventures League Modules are ran for a very Strong party. They are alot of fun because they are really good at making it a difficult fight without having a TPK.

@boxorak

4 жыл бұрын

I guarantee you that at some point, the necromancer-turned-DM asked his party how they wanted to split their treasure with a big smile on his face.

@Oskanwhitchfather

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickm9102 AL is bullshit, though, cause it locks off all the really fun shit. And why the fuck can't I craft my own armor/weapons if I want to with my Smith Tools???

@negative6442

4 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing they were good friends to take such a massive L with stride lmao. Honestly if someone pulled the same shit on me, then offered to start a campaign, I'd fucking join in a heartbeat because holy shit that's great

"Buzz look a necromancer that stays dead!" "Where!?" *"BWAHAHAHA!"*

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

That is the best joke I've heard all year

@rararasputin8608

4 жыл бұрын

You gave me a great meme idea.

Necromancer: does the heavy lifting for the entire campaign Party:* tries to kill him Necromancer:* survives and takes them out Party:* surprised pikachu face😮

@michaelsorensen7567

4 жыл бұрын

I especially like the delicious irony of them accusing him of "not doing the work" and then him showing them intimately the "work" he was doing the whole time...

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

When your party is hard carried by a support, you have a good man. Never push a good man to his limits, for demons run when a good man goes to war.

@Suzduko667

4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the following quote from Zee Bashew in his Animated Spellbook episode on the Clone spell. "If it was easy to kill a high level necromancer, you didn't kill him."

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

@@Suzduko667 So that's where that comes from

@Ictus1008

4 жыл бұрын

@@clayxros576 i see doctor who reference, i upvote!

Bad players: "Necromancers suck they don't have awesome spells." Enervate: "Heeeyyyyy buddy, that's some nice levels you got there. Be a shame if you lost up to 4 a turn..."

@Meteor2022

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah... I'll stick to 5th edition, at least when I'm a player.

@pencilbender

4 жыл бұрын

fell drain metamagic wants to know your location

@nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks fell drain twinned magic missiles is a good idea....

Don't be "that guy", or the other person will be "that guy" to you.

@shadetraveleroftheunknown4949

4 жыл бұрын

But if I'm ''that guy''

@magiv4205

4 жыл бұрын

You insult him. 'That Guy' is clumsy and brutish. There is nothing behind his act but childish spite. He may shed blood, but it will ultimately amount to nothing as he keeps screaming into the void. This here - this is art.

@williamkeith1180

4 жыл бұрын

The other persons that guy was one much more fierce

@ryanross6973

4 жыл бұрын

Or, if you're going to be "that guy," make sure you can actually back it up when push comes to shove.

@texteel

4 жыл бұрын

all the truth. We have a hyper militand and hyper zealoz monk, but she is really stupid. I am a disgraced assistant professor artificer. She keeps talking shit, and I call out her stupidity. Monk: -"Damn, that thing almost insta killed me" Me: -"Thats what you get for going in" -"Perhaps you would like to go in, see how you survive that?" (Referring to that she is midly tankier than I am) -"Oh I know I wouldnt survive, thats why I dont go in. And now you also know you wouldnt survive"

Who would win: A party based on killing lots people Or One spooky boi, back from the dead

@johnnysizemore5797

4 жыл бұрын

@Whitegroth(Neat sounding name,btw. Just out of curiousity, would your PC happen to be a Pixie? No offense meant...) -- Depends on the Spooky bois: In a Gray Necromancer-vs.-Veteran Necromancer fight, i'd give it to Gray as he seemed to just have a bigger force available to him. If it was just 'bout pure power, i'd give it to Veteran, just due to the multiclass penalty that was inherent to 3-3.5 ed....

@Oskanwhitchfather

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnysizemore5797 Actually, a Dread Necromancer would win. Yeah, they're more about summoning masses of Undead, or by having one or two powerful ones, but with spells like "Greater Mass Harm" (20d12 damage at level 20, and a potential for 1,440 damage over 2 rounds) they can be a very terrifying nightmare to sick on the party....

@johnnysizemore5797

4 жыл бұрын

@Austin Jurgle -- i could see where a Dread Necro could Concevably do that, but ever Caster worthy of the job always has Counter-spell prepared.ALWAYS. Depending on the Level they meet at, we are talking 'bout some SERIOUS collateral damage though, i'll give you that one....

@Oskanwhitchfather

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnysizemore5797 In 3.5e you can't just take the "Counterspell" spell. You have to spend the same spell, with a readied action, to counter an enemy spell. For instance, lets say you wanted to counter my Fireball. You'd have to ready an action to do so, make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + the spell’s level) DC 18 in this case, cause 15+3=18. This check is a free action. If the check succeeds, you correctly identify the opponent’s spell and can attempt to counter it. If the check fails, you can’t do either of these things. You then have to use one of your Fireballs to counter mine. And since "Greater Harm" is only on the Cleric (and evil one at that, since in 3.5e Good Clerics can't cast Inflict Wounds/Harm spells cause they're evil/negative energy spells) and Dread Necromancer Spell lists, and "Mass Harm" (which is Mass Greater Harm in functionality... Idk why it's not named Mass Greater Harm) is _only_ on the Dread Necromancer Spell List, you're going to have a hard time counterspelling that. Meaning, my Undead will get a massive heal (potentially yours as well), and you'd take a massive amount of damage. Not to mention, your Inflict Wounds/Harm Spells would heal me, since at level 20 I'd be a Lich automatically cause of the class. In other words, I win 9 times out of 10.

@Oskanwhitchfather

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnysizemore5797 Now, there are some exceptions to this. Light/Daylight and Darkness counter each other, and Dispel Magic *_can_* be used to counterspell, but it can't counterspell everything. Improved (or is it Greater?) Dispel Magic is better, but if you want a perfect catch-all Dispel-esque spell, just use Mordenkainen's Disjunction when you get access to it, or perhaps an Anti-Magic Field spell. That shuts down casters _hard..._ Of course, it can be taken down with a Mordenkainen's Disjunction as well, so even AMF isn't perfect.

Imagine how this sounds to a new player “I didn’t want to use my super powerful spells, so I just used my finger of death.”

@alphastronghold715

5 ай бұрын

I’m a 5e player of some experience at this point and that STILL sounds terrifying. I mean, I know that 3.5 has Mystra’s level ban as optional so 10th level sh** exists, but still. Damn.

Never mess with the party necromancer.

@christianwhite8877

4 жыл бұрын

It almost always leads to trouble that is why I would have team up with the necromancer

@Morbian13

4 жыл бұрын

especially a wizard based Necro.

@ArcaneFuror

4 жыл бұрын

Never mess with a wizard that survived past lv10

@brendonhavener

4 жыл бұрын

Arcane Furor I would honestly say level 5. Even if you get them low they can always use fly to escape.

@ab14967

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArcaneFuror Really, don't mess with wizards in general.

"Ah man, you killed all of us bcause you had good reason to do so and now the game has ended! What do we do now? What? Knowing what you were going to do you've already prepared a new campaign we premade characters? I'm in!" - said the good player who understand that what goes in one game should not impact the gaming group on the long run.

@claude-alexandretrudeau1830

4 жыл бұрын

This is what happens when you understand the purpose of RPGs ^^

Party- 'Kills' necromancer Necromancer- Actually kills party Party- "That wasn't very cash-money of you"

@dullahan4397

4 жыл бұрын

Do u know FG?

@snakanter

4 жыл бұрын

@@dullahan4397 Neverheard of it

@dullahan4397

4 жыл бұрын

Fg is the owner of a dnd discord server. That is something she would say

@lornbaker1083

11 ай бұрын

​@@dullahan4397Probably another Server that no longer exists

never fear the character, race, or class. always fear the player in control.

@CEO_Of_Arson_68

4 жыл бұрын

my party was one time wiped out by our dwarf cleric. we fucked up bad.

@hmcloud8487

4 жыл бұрын

@@CEO_Of_Arson_68 #divinepenetration

7:53 "occasionally still send her holiday card, just to keep her blood up" xD

@neolithiumproduction

4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful. That's something my kind of character would do. xD

I love that the fighter was able to go back into contact with the necromancer and recognized his screw ups

I feel the moral of this story is less don't get into a fight with Veteran players and more don't fight your party. It does not mater if you are playing an evil character or some lawful good dude. You must trust and work with your party no mater what or things will end badly.

@marvinschroeder9439

4 жыл бұрын

the moral of the story is that if u want to fight a Veteran player u need to know the game as good or better than him. otherwise u will get beaten easily. =D

@placeholdername3818

4 жыл бұрын

The DM definitely should make sure the characters can work together rp wise. If they don't thats a failing on the DMs part

@keve5534

4 жыл бұрын

@@placeholdername3818 it depends on the expectations of the game as well as the players and their characters. The gm can only control the scenario

@shoran2729

4 жыл бұрын

@@placeholdername3818 Well the guy played a support necromancer and they decided that since he wasn't dealing damage then he doesn't deserve loot and even tried to assasinate him. The party betrayals are interesting and make story that much more exciting but they brought it on themselves.

@onyxtay7246

4 жыл бұрын

@@placeholdername3818 The DM can't force the party into not betraying their support caster though. And that's the real lesson here, everyone in the party is valuable, even if you don't see how.

Listing off the types of Necromancers, I'm really interested in the Cleric build that can raise an undead army. That's one way to make sure the party never dies.....

@Olav_Hansen

4 жыл бұрын

I assume death cleric, since most other clerics are designed to kill undead. If I remember correctly there exist spells that enable you to take over enemy undead, but i remember that necromancer mages can also do this so I am intrigued as well.

@ragoth6207

4 жыл бұрын

Necromancer's can have a real huge army if you do it right. Part of it involves creating more powerful undead and then having them go ahead and turn creatures into undead. You can even let go control of a few to act as guards for places you probably won't visit often, or set them up in pits for anyone who would intrude.

@mattevans4377

4 жыл бұрын

@@ragoth6207 Well, the idea would be to have such a huge army that you send in front of the party, that they would take all the hits for your party.

@BlackRainRising

4 жыл бұрын

from what I've seen in my game, the creation of undead can be very fun but a mental struggle to remember how many minions you have, how much HD each one has so you know your control cap... it's fun but can be a bit tedious

@dreamerofvocaloids

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely lots of use for an undead army. But it makes combat take forever, which kills the fun of the game.

Necromancer: It’s the spooky month The party: uh oh

So in the end he became Ainz... Would be curious to know what happened in his own campaign.

@Valsorayu

4 жыл бұрын

except a less depressed but much more lonely variant

Yeah, I did do something like this. I was playing a Pathfinder campaign and created a vigilante (avenger). My entire party consisted out of characters without morals ( a rogue that would steal everything, including from her own party, an alchemist that on multiple occasions attempted to plant drugs on my body so I'd get arrested, and a Samurai that was exiled for having no honor.) On multiple occasions they'd make absolutely awful decisions. I'd try to be the voice of reason, but it only got me more and more hate from the rest of the party. This eventually escalated months later when an item dropped that my character had been looking for since the campaign started. A belt of physical perfection. I was the one that found it, luckily. Knowing there'd be a fight over it (and knowing the rogue would attempt to steal it of me) I told the DM I told no one that I found it, equipped it and would pretend it was the same belt as always. Now here is the thing, as a vigilante I played 2 characters. The Bruce Wayne character and the Batman character. To disguise myself and in order to bullshit my way into and out of any situation I had a very high charisma. My party still thought I was this goody two shoes (mary sue) fighter and had no idea I was secretly hoarding items, armor, weapons and had amassed enough funds to get my strength and con to about 36/34 and that was without the belt. I had reached a level of physical strength, constitution and dexterity that rivaled a god. (42 strength, 40 con, 34 dex) and I had several potions and items that gave temp buffs to make that go even higher. My headband gave +6 to wisdom, charisma and intelligence. Effectively making me far above average on all levels. They had no idea. I KNEW the rogue would attempt to meta-game. She had been doing it the entire campaign. So, in game while we were in the tavern, the rogue decided to roll "perception" on me to figure out if I had something new on me. Unfortunately she crit, unfortunately for her. She figured out I had a different belt on. Now, any sane person would not immediately assume that this was a magical belt or any better than I'd been wearing before, but like I said, she loved to meta-game. The rogue called me out and demanded to know where I got this belt from. I replied saying it was none of her business. The rest of the party quickly followed suit and began to accuse me of keeping treasure, money and other items for myself. In fact, all items I had gotten were acquired by me via my vigilante behavior. I hoarded a fortune by going through whatever city we stayed in at night to rob and steal from rich bad guys. This was highly dangerous, but I got lucky with my rolls and only once got into some serious trouble. All in all, no treasure that we amassed together had been hoarded by me. The party demanded I showed them my items, I declined. I stated I had no reason to steal from them and pointed at the rogue. "Out of all people, you, who we've caught several times stealing from our own party, you dare to accuse me of such a deplorable act!". I stated I wanted to duel her and would do so in the morning in front of an official of the city. (basically imploring game of thrones rules, trial by combat). The rogue convinced the rest of the party to murder me in my sleep that night. Something I had anticipated. I placed several traps towards my bed room and placed in my actual bed the paralyzed body of a bandit I would catch that evening before bed. The rogue, samurai and Alchemist all worked together to get through my traps and eventually killed the bandit in my bed. They took my (half emptied out, bag of holding, they did not know I had 3) and only found stuff that they knew I had. The rogue scoffed and stated "Guess he wasn't lying, ah well. Now its ours". A fun item to have, is an item called: Clockwork Bug - it allows you to record up to an hour of sound in a 20 foot radius. That morning, I showed up at the guild office (which prohibited murder, especially of your own guild members). I was disguised as my batman persona and explained that they had guild members that had just committed murder. I gave them the clockwork bug as proof. They quickly figured out that my "fighter" had been murdered for greed. The entire guild sent out a bounty and they were quickly hunted down within that same session. The samurai demanded to fight 1 on 1 in an honorable duel (which he of course did not honor) and died fairly quick. The Alchemist was arrested and taken to jail. The rogue lasted longer and managed to run almost out of the city, but failed a stealth roll (nat 1) and got caught right in front of the gate. My character showed up in his alternative persona and demanded to fight the rogue solo and if the rogue won, she'd be allowed to go. (trial by combat). The rogue jumped at the chance, figuring she should be able to beat me. We rolled for initiative, she had a dex of 32 and figured she'd easily out rol me. With all my items, including some nice feats, I had nearly 50% more initiative then her. I easily out rolled her and went first. I activated my boots of speed, got within distance to strike and struck 3 times. I was duel wielding sword and shield (nice vigilante feat) and ended up stunning her and dealing more than half her hp in just the first attack. She missed dramatically and I used a swift action to bash her against the wall. I rolled a grapple check and succeeded. I began to choke her and lifting her from the ground. She tried an escape artist check, but failed. Never even got close. I rolled for damage (suffocation) and rolled max damage, she was now almost passing out. The rest of the guild, guards and city folk were looking on in horror as I choked the life out of this person in public. Two turns later I managed to snap her neck and threw her body to the floor. Out of character my fellow players were not amused. The person who played the rogue was livid. I honestly didn't care. The guild honored my "fighter" character with a ceremony and buried the bandit body (thinking it was me) as a hero and my alternative persona walked away with all the loot the party had on them, as payment for catching these murderers. The campaign ended early, with the rogue and samurai dead and the alchemist being executed. My character left to fight crime solo as mother fucking batman.

@jeffodraws3395

4 жыл бұрын

That is amazing lol

@chairflipper4313

4 жыл бұрын

That was sick. Revenge is sweet. Batman is immortal.

@eduardvivestarda5912

3 жыл бұрын

Daaaaamn that's so BADASS!!

@Firan25

3 жыл бұрын

so, did they learn their lesson? or where they still mad at you?

@nubmuffin6754

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firan25 The alchemist and Samurai apologized and we stil play to this day. The rogue, not surprisingly, learned nothing and tried to pick a fight with me. I laughed in her face, grabbed my stuff and basically told her that she doesn't have to worry. We'll never play together again.

The necromancer & Astoshan get in a fight... Just kidding. They give each other a high five and go out for a beer

@dylanfrillen

4 жыл бұрын

Nur Not with the skeleton hand😂

@pawemarzec5764

4 жыл бұрын

WHO IS PAING FOR DRAGON TAXI BACK?

@seijitheicedrake9487

4 жыл бұрын

i'd see that crossover. i want that crossover

@cryptowatcher5963

4 жыл бұрын

Would love to see that... However, Astoshan would win. He had a literal army x 100 that would break down any defense. This necro was more into save or die spells.

@magiv4205

4 жыл бұрын

@@cryptowatcher5963 They would respect eachother too much to fight.

I did a 1-shot with my players to teach them mechanics where they all died to a trap from an alchemist they were collecting components for. The last component for his works was their souls (they didn't know that nor did i tell them). During the actual campaign, they found items with their 1-shot character names tailored to be useful for their actual characters. It worked out better than i planned lol

I love this turn around

OP: "Some would argue 3.0/3.5 was more balanced." Also OP: "I prepare by casting Blur Image, Haste, Invincibility, Invisibility, Anti Magic Shells and Simulacrum. I then cast Empowered Quickened Split Power Word Kill on the party, and follow it up with Quickened Level Drain and then cast Split Empowered Polymorphs before finishing it off by casting Quickened Extended Split Fireball. And I end my turn." ... Yeah, sounds balanced.

@bendystrawz2832

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget he ALSO prepared the dispel magic for his reaction that turn!

@Revenante_of_Asylum

4 жыл бұрын

Planning is op.

@Commandant_Aeon

4 жыл бұрын

@@UmeII depends on your metamagic feats. It can become insanity just listing all the spells that go off at the same time, especialy for debuff wizards.

@kanoslayer2735

4 жыл бұрын

Sound just like MtG or Yugioh at that point

@Commandant_Aeon

4 жыл бұрын

@@kanoslayer2735 IKR

The Players: YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWERS!!!!! The Necromancer: DONT TRY IT

@purpledye1351

4 жыл бұрын

I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND

@acealinka489

4 жыл бұрын

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

“Man that necromancer was easy to kill.” “Then that wasn’t a necromancer” Anything that deals with death in any TTRPGs probably have some sneaky trick up their sleeve.

I’ve only played 5e, and all I can think is that’s too many concentration spells

@zackbogan2884

4 жыл бұрын

Haste, blur, and i think ray of enfeeblement aswell?

@AntTheBugcather

4 жыл бұрын

3.5 didn't have the concept of concentration

@Kaipyro67ALT

4 жыл бұрын

I was about to say-- It's a good thing necromancers can't do that in 5e.

@AntTheBugcather

4 жыл бұрын

@@MagicalMaster yeah, that's pretty much what I meant hahaha. It was wizardpalooza

@MagicalMaster

4 жыл бұрын

@@AntTheBugcather Dude, the shit clerics and druids could get up to was freaking AMAZING!

Note to self: always divide up the loot evenly.

@bryanwoods3373

4 жыл бұрын

It's the only fair way. You may carry the party one encounter but not have anything to do in the next. It all evens out.

@williamcasey1927

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah , pixie was a dick, and the others had no.sense of team. If your alignment was cool with a necromancer, you should have played like a team, the party got what they deserved. Still, 3rd edition allowed some wicked combos. And losing spell access and class access or high level feats was murderous.💀🤢🙃😝

@natanoj16

4 жыл бұрын

Unless you have a character who has vowed for poverty. They you find other ways to compensate

@michaelroper8448

4 жыл бұрын

We divide the loot evenly and pay the party half the cost for any items we keep.

I really hate it when parties start pointing fingers and thinking that they deserve all the loot. The true irony is when they get mad that they actually got backlash for being a bunch of punks.

As a tip for spell casters; make scrolls during downtime, they will be handy in saving slots during adventures and can be sold for money if it seems they wont be used.

@FlyingDominion

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, it also costs some experience to create scrolls in 3.5

@devonmills1968

4 жыл бұрын

@chainer8686 where can I find mechanics for this for 5th ed?

@chainer8686

4 жыл бұрын

@@devonmills1968 I believe the rules for crafting scrolls are in the Dungeon Master's Guide. Don't have the books by me at the moment. However, things change from group to group and some DMs tweak the cost in time and gold according to their games.

@devonmills1968

4 жыл бұрын

@@chainer8686 I have DMG thanks for the head start in the search though

@MalrexMontresor

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlyingDominion Yeah, I find the experience point cost was enough to make it extremely rare for players to craft their own magic items. To encourage crafting, I took the power components idea from an issue of Dragon magazine; in which magical beasts or special creatures could be harvested for their body parts, some of which could offset some of the experience point cost for magical items. For example, demon blood could offset about 10-20xp cost for making scrolls when used as ink. It's a little more complicated, but it really enhances the game when you have players excited to take down a basilisk for its hide and don't care about gold, but which organs they can find. Amusingly, you'll see players try to kill beasts gingerly, trying not to damage the valuable parts of the beast. "Avoid the eyes, those are worth money!" "Don't hit the torso, the lungs can be used to make a potion of water breathing!"

Yeah I arrived... When it ended... Like 5 seconds before it ended...

I love this story, and you know damn well that op had a "YOU WERE MY BROTHER ANAKIN" vibe as he slaughtered his former companions turned greedy ingrates

Have my party members ever turned on one another? They have spent more time locked on each other than the antagonists. But never so epically beautiful as this.

@drunkenrobot7061

4 жыл бұрын

I played Curse of Strahd once, and the DM seemed to love using Strahd's influence to get us to turn on each other. One player would up ragequitting after Strahd announced that his bard character was a new affiliate of his, which led to the rest of the party immediately murdering him once Strahd was gone so the town we were in didn't try to execute us, claiming guilt by association.

@Micras08

4 жыл бұрын

PvP is fine as long as the table agrees that they want to have it in their game. Otherwise I'm shutting it down whether or not I'm the GM. It's never up to two players whether or not it's okay, it's the table as a whole that needs to agree. I've had very few tables where players got angry at each other, so luckily not something I've actually done. I have however asked people to "get a grip", "stop disrupting the game" etc. etc. which has generally (with a few exceptions) worked out fine - you just need one person to speak up and then the rest of the table usually quickly follows. I'm not to proud to say that I've been the problem player myself a few times though - we all have bad days :) On the flipside I've seen a lot of in-character party conflicts and sometimes there needs to be a character death or exodus of some kind. In those cases the affected player along with the DM have just narrated the table through it instead of actually rolling combat dice. This stuff is nice, it brings an other dimension to the game. I think I prefer it that way, but if the whole table wants PvP I would be fine with that as well :)

I must say, they understood their mistakes, even if they didn't want to accept it.

@magiv4205

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, their reaction was surprisingly humble. They could even give their otherwise bland murderhoboes a fitting ending, and they didn't harbor a grudge from what I can tell. Good, on them for learning their lesson.

Yeah, This was epic to listen to. It was fantastic

@richardallen6067

4 жыл бұрын

If you haven't yet check out the grey necromancer stories on this channel

And this never would have happened if the players didnt get greedy and assume one players effort less valuable then there own. They deserved what was coming. Well played OP, well played.

I was playing a halfling necromancer and the dm had a few homebrew elements in, i took advantage of them because i knew the party would eventually suss out that i was a necromancer. Understand, there were homebrewed elements to this game. I had a haste spell tattoo on his back, a single use magic ring of greater invisibility on the left hand, and a single use amulet of mage armor on the right. All three had a verbal trigger. The dm allowed me to have the dragon mark of passage. When the inevitable happened my halfling smiled and spoke the trigger "its show time". He was now moving over 100ft per turn. with mage armor, haste, and a maxed out dex, his AC was 20. Being invisible attacked were rolled at disadvantage against him. The party was slowly debilitated and eventually killed with only one successful hit landing against him. Necromancers, when played with debuffs and buffs instead of skeletal armies, will never fall.

This is 5e, by the way. For a twentieth level campaign, our party was exploring a lost continent, called Sinthrall, said to be the Battlefield of the Gods. Aedulous The Eternal, High Elf Paladin of Vengance, wielding a cross between a Defender and a Dragon Slayer and a Vorpal Sword longsword, with max stats for Dex and Strength, with well over 100 hitpoints. But the best part was his Epic Boon. Each character had one of the Epic Boons from the DM guide, and I chose Immortality. The thing is though, that our DM decided that the Boon of Immortality also made it so that should you be killed, you were resurrected the following dawn. We had been sent to locate the Spire Drake, a primeval dragonlike being that had supposedly killed about twelve of the gods on its own. With insane bonuses from my sword, I was dealing an upward of 100 damage on one turn. The rest of the party was sort of mad at me, for creating a “too powerful” character. The DM said that it was perfectly fine. See, they had never realized that I could be resurrected, so when I died, they were glad that it was a “fair fight”. They retreated about two rounds later. That next morning, as I descended in a beam of light provided by Silgin, my primary god, my party was shocked. I returned to the lair of the Spire Drake, my party still incredulous. We roll initiative. Nat 20. I make an attack, being first to go. Nat 20. I proceed to deal 148 damage, killing the creature instantly. (I rolled almost max damage from the Longsword, Vorpal Bonus, and Dragon Slayer, doubled by the Critical hit.) As we plunder it’s vast treasure hoard, we all realize we will definitely need several ships to take the gold back to the mainland to even make a dent in the amount of wealth in this creature’s lair. As I pick up the silver armor of Ozish, the dead god, which has an AC of 25, and no stealth disadvantages, our semidivine ranger strikes me in the back of the neck with a flaming arrow. I quickly pull on the armor, and die. They had forgotten that I could resurrect. The next morning, the party was still asleep when I resurrected. I proceeded to burn all but one of their boats, gathered about 5 Bags of Holding full of solid Platinum, easily more than enough to buy myself a kingdom or three, and sailed back to the mainland. I became a High King, and started a new Empire, and ruled as a benevolent king for the rest of eternity. Our next campaign was based around a group of anarchists (me included) trying to overthrow an immortal god king. The other players were still good people, they just didn’t like overpowered characters. It was great fun.

This is some overlord moves here.

The wizard I have been running for 2 years has finally reached lichdom and is a scary force but I shudder to think what a wizard would be like now if I had as much of the experience and information I have now when I built him.

When you strike at the king you must slay him.

This is quite literally the definition of " *PULLS OUT THE LEGENDARY WILD UNO REVERSE CARD* "

Quick side note before I get in the story. My DM was breast Questing one of the members of the party in the end he did succeed but that's not the point. When I figured out what he was doing, I decided to make the most of it and slowly acquire power. Now here is what happened. The game is set in a home-brewed 3.5 dungeon so massive that its own realm of reality. Where everything is not right. The party was made up of a psionic ranger who insisted he was never over powered. A non denominational Monk (Girl the DM was lusting after.) and me the rogue with such a long name they just called me Phil. Well as the game progress we gather some unique magical items including a deck of many things. At one point the denominational monk pulls the wish card and gets maximum amount of wishes. Her 3 wishes were to give everyone a new deck of many things and to remove all the bad cards from them. Not a problem at all right. Well the ranger immediately pulls a card and get 2 wishes and becomes psionic. And wishes for a ring of one wish. I pull a card later in the campaign and I get my wishes and roll a 4 so I get all of mine. I wished to gain all the ability of the assassin's class which the DM says will cost me all my wishes. No problem I have the master mask prestige class and I thought it would go well with the other. The game goes on I have heart ripper in my back pocket the whole time never able to use it because we keep fighting undead. Till the end of the campaign in which we fight the source of all evil in the realm which is a giant Moon. The monk kills it no time and we escape. Well then come the end of the dungeon. Apparently the deity of this dungeon is cursed. Only by a new Deity being chosen can he be released from his torment. The new Deity will run the dungeon until they wish to leave. In which a new deity need to be chosen again. Since my party I defeated the evil Moon we three were up for godhood with in the dungeon. But only one of us could become a god. By killing the other two temporarily. They were to be brought back when the fight was over. Before the fight the monk and the ranger are talking shit because clearly they are the most powerful ones in the team I never can do any damage. Least not on the scale of the ranger and monk. So there we stood 120 feet from each other as initiative was rolled. I get a Nat 20. In our game if you get a Nat 20 on initiative you get a surprise round before the start of initiative. I had the highest score and perks that increased my bonus like nobody's business. I know what I need to do so I use my master of masks Wizard form and use dimension door to behind ranger and heart rip him. He rolls to save and botches. He drops to the ground immediately and I end my surprise round with the Ranger cursing me screaming profanity. Then it's normal initiative. I use another dimension door. And appear in front of the non-denominational Monk. Using heart ripper one more time I drop the monk. My rouge is made a god and I bring back my friends. Both of whom wonder why I never used it in combat. To which I point out that the DM said it wouldn't work on Undead in his game. Moral of the story is this. Never overlook the little guy in the back he might just be more powerful than you think.

@whalebaitj1983

4 жыл бұрын

You just "Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru".... twice

@QuanTrietLOL

4 жыл бұрын

So at that point the silly party may ask: Who is an Assassin best at killing? If they say Zombies they are morons.

@Vicky_1995_

4 жыл бұрын

@@QuanTrietLOL Yeah I was prepared to fight you know living monsters. But after the 1000th undead goon who I'm doing basically nothing to expect when I sneak attack which was only once every new combat. When I heard the rules of the match I was so excited. I hid it well taking the degrading remarks from the other players. At one point I was told that the two of them were going to fight and then the winner would just shoot me because no way was I going to beat them. The ranger rage as I dropped him was priceless. Mind you the ranger once 1 shoot a Purple worm at level 10 using psionics. Like I said Broken.

I like how human this necromancer was. He stayed and protected the party on whatever whim it was, and when betrayed they were all killed, but not prevented from being resurrected, their souls not forced to serve him for eternity, but eventually set free. They were taught their lesson, and then he moved on. Just like irl, he put up with it cause it wasn't really anything significant until they tried to kill him, which would usually spark tension in game and irl, but both the character and player were calm and didnt drag it out

You could that those who mess with Necromancer have met with a DEADly end. Ba dam tussss. 😎

@SapphireDragon357

4 жыл бұрын

That's... not a pun. That's literally just stating what happened.

@tashunagray7720

4 жыл бұрын

That was a bad joke

@mariapazgonzalezlesme

4 жыл бұрын

@@SapphireDragon357 We both have different sense of humor.

@hunterrhoades1813

4 жыл бұрын

and just for that I use smite evil because that joke was just that bad.

@mariapazgonzalezlesme

4 жыл бұрын

@@tashunagray7720 Thanks. 😎

The sweet sweet catharsis of the ending

You already had new character sheets made for them? The disrespect lmao

@nathanielhollinger4686

4 жыл бұрын

naw fam, the flex

@unhackerthelaziestbastardo6083

3 жыл бұрын

Correction: They were blank with the exception of the player name slot.

Party:kills necromancer Necromancer:doesn't die Necromancer:cha cha real smooth

The players were destroyed by a completely prepared wizard who got the drop on them, who also had a lot of extremely expensive gear. They were definitely not as proficient in the system as the OP. A prepared fighter could have certainly destroyed this necromancer. I know my ubercharger could. You always need contingencies prepared; multiple death wards and dispel magics.

@pencilbender

4 жыл бұрын

Uberchargers are easy to spot, if OP had a ubercharger in his party he would've just cast 'fly' as part of the prep routine.

@Ben0_o

3 жыл бұрын

@@pencilbender Late to the party, I know, but I'm curious. What advantage would Fly give to him if they were indoors?

I feel I almost know how this party felt! I was playing the party game "mafia", and I trusted a friend of mine 100%. Every word that came out of his mouth was truth in my mind. I was dumbfounded when he first accused me, and enraged when I died and learned he killed me. This is a condensed retelling, but know that I have never been played so hard. It was the best! Now I always blatantly say I can't wait to kill him in that game as a running joke (and I really will). To be good enough friends that this kind of thing happens and you still have a great time is the best. In character, you're furious, outside of character, you're amazed and impressed, and even proud. A very unique mix of emotions!

@claude-alexandretrudeau1830

4 жыл бұрын

That's what RPGs are about.

All Things DnD: Have your parties ever turned against one another? Me: Ohohoho, little man, *you do not know the extent of it*

anyone else get vibes from Overlord main character : Ainz Ool Gown / Momonga with the skillset and archtype? the player did an excellent job at anticipating, playing off, and counter-acting the greedy party

The cards are my absolute favorite thing about this. A level of pettiness and spite truly befitting of sucha personality.

everybody gangsta until the necromancer starts saying "its a wonderful spell"

When the Noob trys to take on the Carry. Always ends well.

I do like that they still played with him after. They may have been greedy but they sticked around lmao

Welp. Thaaaaat happened. Remind me to never mess with the veteran player, 'cause dang.

imagine putting 23 into intellect pre-birth irl like holy shit this man is mega mind

Had I pulled a stunt like that, the campaign I would set up would end in them getting a chance to get revenge on my old character as a token of ultimate satisfaction.. but only after they had earned it by showing they learned their lesson.

Necromancers have always been my favorite. I played one whenever I could. I've been running games and playing necromancers since 2nd edition ad&d. They get really beefed up quickly when gaining a fiend familiar. When gaining levels you are able to find ways to promote the familiar up in ranks. That's why a devil familiar is great. You can bargain with high level devils to promote your familiar to a higher hit dice devil.

@Mare_Man

4 жыл бұрын

Now I'm imagining a lich with a Pit Fiend familiar.

You finally did it! Yes thank you so much, this is the best part of the story

*We Got An Ogre!* This is fresh from my group's D&D session. Backstory: 5th Edition - Group having dealt with a training dungeon, gets hired by a merchant to help deliver goods. He and his assistant rode ahead to let the guy's partner know we were coming, only to get caught by goblins lead by a bugbear - saved the assistant, but no sign of employer. We did drop off the goods and got some loot for slaying the goblins. Anyways, due to some of the party staying at an inn (o.o.c. - 2 had tickets to a Hyde concert, and I'm not sure about the others), four of us, myself (a human sorcerer with Draconian ancestry), a half-orc bard, a wood elf rouge, and another wood elf (I forget class) checked the area, and went to report our client's disappearance to their brother - said brother and their friend had been murdered/captured by a dangerous gang. We were told to talk to an older Adventurer, who said that they'd help if we dealt with an Undead issue. We encountered a Necromancer living in a tent who admitted to leading the Undead, but he was merely investigating the ruins. He told us that he was having issues with some orcs however. (Meanwhile, the rouge keeps trying to steal anything not nailed down - and gets money/loot as a result on many occasions, which gets to be rather funny at times.) We went and our half-orc bard talked to an orc sentry in Orcish, and persuaded the sentry to let us talk to their boss. The boss, an ogre named Mog, tells us that the Necromancer kicked them out of their territory., which turns out to be true. We then go after the Necromancer, with Mog and half a dozen orcs in tow, the rouge being a nuisance, and distracting the guy, when he hits the rouge with a magic missile attack. I use my own - 11 damage. Then Mog ripped up the tent, and used his club to smash the Necromancer to a bloody pulp. We get some money, and give Mog a piece of gold as a token of appreciation. Thing was, the party was supposed to fight Mog and his orcs, and get paid by the necromancer, not befriend the ogre and have him smash (or squish as a few of us say, with a laugh) the necromancer. I just wonder if I should convince the rest to drag Mog along to help us fight the gang in the next session. Now, back to real life - the group is a great group. I'm fairly new to D&D in general, and know very little of the ins and outs. That being said, the main DM (who is currently taking a bit of a break at DMing until he figures out a few things in his storyline, with a secondary DM leading the described storyline), and the other veteran players, are willing to help new people make their characters, as well as explain the rules, to say nothing about loaning out dice to them that don't have any. In fact, I look forward to the next session, in order to see what happens. I also can't wait for the main campaign to pick up again - I wonder what my human fighter will end up doing. Then there's the other guys I have waiting for the next campaign, or next secondary campaign.

@lockwoan01

4 жыл бұрын

Another thing that has proven to be useful is the fact that I have "Inspiring Leadership" (or whatever it's called), meaning that I tend to, after each Short or Long Rest, give an Inspiring Speech, which grants my teammates some extra hit-points, +7 at the second level. Very useful, as it means my teammates are that much harder to kill, and is real good for those with naturally low hit-points anyways.

@clayxros576

4 жыл бұрын

I love D&D cause it let's you skip over the stereotypes written o to video games so often. Orcs get wronged by a necro you were supposed to work with? Do the right thing.

@lockwoan01

4 жыл бұрын

@@clayxros576 Yeah - always something crazy.

I've never played in any game where a modest and level minded player gets ganged up on by others for any reason. If I ever do though, I'm definitely siding with the one getting ganged up on, even if I'm playing an evil character of some kind. Revenge against the greed of others must be savored to be truly enjoyed, after all...

That’s a classy way to handle the situation. Put then in their place, but make sure there aren’t any hard feelings afterwards. I’m sure the new players took the lessons here to heart.

This is one of those stories I love to go back to and listen to again and again. Every time I watch, this always brings a smile to my face.

Party: We killed the Necromancer! Necromancer: *So you have chosen death.*

@gamester512

3 жыл бұрын

*Necromancer & DM:* "Yeah, about that...."

As the only player at my table who has fully read all the books we own for player creation(Xanathar’s, PHB, DMG), playing with newer players is always a wonderful experience. You get to show them just how awesome you can become, and get to put them in their place when they think they can step on yours toes. As long as it’s all in good fun, bullying the new players is always something they will remember.

I have never played D&D but I do alot of creative writing. And sometimes I'll just pop in to enjoy a story now and again. Love the content and the stories this channel puts out. I am pretty sure it's the only channel I subscribe to for anything other than music.

Don't bite the hand that power levels you!

Necromancer "Omae wa mou shindeiru" Party "Nani?!?!"

The post cards was a nice touch.

God this reminds me of an older character I had in 3.5. A dragonborn arcane assassin. Specializing in trapmaking and a dm who loved throwing stuff at us while we slept and had one person on watch. One of these encounters came up with my character on first watch of the night but by the time the others were awake and ready to fight, the six trolls and their small horde of goblins had died to some tripwire firebombs and deadfalls made from lumber I had hacked down. But, being the ass he was famous for being, our orc fighter decided to get uppity for being woken up and not being able to fight anything for the third time that week. The scuffle ended faster than his player could smile as my dragonborn was also lvl 18 whilst he was only 17, one lvl short of what his class needed that could have tripped me up. He tried to cleave me in two with his battleaxe whilst I simply sidestepped and cast arcane blast at point blank. He lost all of his health thanks to a really nice damage roll on my end and I left him a smoking heap of meat in front of his now smoldering tent. Then my character ate him as he hadn't eaten yet that day. (Before y'all go nuts, my character was a tribal where eating a fallen foe is considered an honor to the enemy)

Is this the start of Ainz Ooal Gown

Sweet revenge with a side of overkill lol

This was the most satisfying Revenge story I've ever heard of and I'm so glad he was able to save himself and prevent petty backlash. Talk about a magical genius!

" So many things. sensor overload " - me playing a mage for the first time. loved this story. Lichs over bitches.

this guy sounds like sonic the hedgehog trying to be serious

Wow didn't expect it to be so easy for the mage

@Ninjasoulz

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to fantasy. Magic op. Lol

That was so satisfying. Never fuck with your parties mage. Especially if they're a necromancer.

This has become my favourite channel.

I now understand why magic based players are so terrifying.

Metamagic rods are ridiculously Op.

dear gods man, this is like a whole nother next level of DnD

I think the big lesson here is that new players tend to underestimate debuffs because only the dm actually sees what happens to the enemy stats. Unless you look up the effects, it’s not clear how powerful they are, especially in combination.

Not too familiar with 3.5, but there seems to be far too much action economy for the necromancer, even with high dex.

The true evil was indeed defeated.

Party: Kills necromancer Next day: Necromancer shows up Party: NANI

Cool story....hard time beleving it actually happened

and then everyone clapped

Killing them was just a kindness, you could've humiliated them by beating them within an inch of their lives, showing that you had the power to kill them.

@nathanielhollinger4686

4 жыл бұрын

he only killed two of them. the other two he trapped in gems

@boxorak

4 жыл бұрын

And leave himself open to a knife in the back down the road?

@patrickdees5256

4 жыл бұрын

@@boxorak even so, he's powerful enough to keep them all at bay after what he did.

@boxorak

4 жыл бұрын

@@patrickdees5256 fair, but if I was a necromancer wielding powerful magical and my party had just demonstrated a willingness to murder me, I'd make damn sure they don't have another opportunity to do so again.

@patrickdees5256

4 жыл бұрын

@@boxorak you're point is also valid. Maybe make them undead servants, but with their souls still in their bodies?

That was deeply satisfying. Well done!

So basically a Good Guy Necromancer got pissed off and decided to explain very precisely by a personal example to the whole party what his usefulness has been for the whole adventure, after being doubted, yes? Beautiful.

Always amazed how much people can tear themselves apart over a game mean to be fun o_O'

I hope theres a part 3 to the grey necromancer

I would love to see this whole build on this Necromancer

I was so looking forward to this.

Respect your elders, my dear