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I’m glad I’m in Europe. Just drove Yorkshire to Luxembourg and back on the IONITY network. Car charged faster than I could drink my coffee.

The 800 volt is very important.

I was a bit surprised when the 5N delivered without NACS given that it’s listed as a 2025 MY and they made this promise. That said, my wife just got the KIA EV9 so we are in the same boat and our level 2 home charger works for both vehicles. We have an EA 350kw at the Target nearby so, again, fine with status quo, but if we can get a software update and a NACS adapter in the future to have a choice that would be helpful for roadtrips.

@AeschylusShepherd

23 күн бұрын

Tbh you're better off getting a NACS adapter vs having it built in. Its only a matter of time before Elon blocks non-Tesla vehicles from the Supercharger network.

@OrionDC

23 күн бұрын

@@AeschylusShepherd wouldn't be surprised (even though it would hurt his bottom line). Never know with that guy!

One more reason I’m waiting for the ‘25 model. Can’t wait! Anyone have any info on the release date?

Great news. I’m hoping this will free up EA so I can charge solo 😅 I get that every now and then

@brucemacneil

23 күн бұрын

Do you charge at home?

I've never been really excited for NACS... it seems like a waste to buy into a system when CCS1 infrastructure is at an all time high. What was stopping Tesla from offering an adapter for all CCS vehicles? Why force automakers to change plugs? I have 3x more CCS charging stations here where I live than Tesla stations. If I were to buy an EV, I'd want my default connector to be the most common connector where I live, and for me that is CCS. My other concern is about the locking functionality to prevent tampering and these adapters. As it currently stands, the CCS1 or J1772 connectors both lock onto the car and prevent people from messing with them or interrupting your charging session. What happens when we have to carry adapters around? Will those adapters lock between the NACS plug and the car? Will we need two adapters -- one for Tesla Destination and one for Tesla CCS NACS? I would hate to be a buyer of a 2025 Ioniq 5 with a NACS plug on it while Tesla doesn't have 800v support. With their downgrading of their charging team, how quickly do you really think V4 superchargers are going to hit the mainstream? There's going to be YEARS between when people buy these vehicles, and they can properly use a Tesla Supercharger. This just all seems like overcomplication and unnecessary to me. Tesla could have just opened up and made this right with adapters, but instead forced its hand with plug agreements, and feels very shady.

@sprockkets

24 күн бұрын

I don't get it either. 400v cars? Sure. But what could happen is once everyone includes a nacs port by default, that could change things.

@mitsu.hadeishi

23 күн бұрын

The agreement includes agreement on adapters. All of us will be able to use either by early next year.

@masina9447

21 күн бұрын

You're in the minority preferring the CCS network over Tesla's. My I5 has visited far more broken CCS chargers than my brother's Tesla has seen broken Superchargers, and you'll see the same sentiment dominating web comments. As for 400V speed, we'll see what Hyundai can do with the 2025 refresh. Before, there was little incentive to get over 100kW at 400V, and now there is. Personally, I'd take a reliable 100kW over unreliable 200kW.

@michaellippmann4474

16 күн бұрын

@masina9447 I agree the Tesla network is very reliable...that being said we road trip a lot. 14,648 km road trip around the US and back into western Canada then home to Ontario. 43 days, 77 charge stops and we encountered 2 chargers that were inoperable and we had to move to another stall. Yes you are correct that the CCS network has more issues than the Tesla network, for a number of reasons, but overall it is not as dire as many paint it. At least not in our experience. We generally do a couple of thousand km trip every month at a minimum and we have yet to experience anything resembling what many have portrayed. In any case our 2022 Ioniq5 gets lots of driving and has about 60,000km on it and we have had it for about 11 months now. Cheers Mike and Ally

@sprockkets

16 күн бұрын

@@michaellippmann4474 The problem is EA in the USA has too much first gen equipement, and the replacement isn't better. Flo stuff is good. So is that other brand I can't recall that just set up a factory in the US.

The connectors isn't the problem. Adapters are not a big deal. You will find out soon that when Ionna gets going that the combo of Ionna EA EVGO eliminate the stress of charging.

Hyundai should be supplying adapters for free to owners of their cars that use CCS. I spent enough on one if their cars . I shouldn't be expected to pay more when they knew they were switching to the Tesla connector.

Just finished a trip from West Virginia to Florida in my 5. Great trip and the charging experience exceeded my expectations. Never waited once for a charger to open up or a unit that didn’t work. I used electrify America, circle k and charge point. My average length between charging was 188 miles with the cruise control set to 73. Love this car.

@TheIoniqGuy

21 күн бұрын

Sounds like a very successful trip!

Cool video. The info is great to hear about IONNA. it will be great to see some of their stations coming on-line here in the U.S. and Canada this year. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching.

You've been hoping to hear. I have no interest in moving to NACS. The biggest reason I chose an EGMP vehicle is the fast charging speed. NACS can't do that yet. I've seen no sign of them fixing that issue. Everyone should have switched to CCS2 imo

@TheIoniqGuy

23 күн бұрын

NACS is a standard, not the Supercharger network. Like I mentioned in the video, other stations are already beginning to install NACS connectored cables that are perfectly capable of giving us everything we need. What you are referring to is a Supercharger problem.

I don't know if I would charge at Tesla based on the lower performance and Tesla antics. I like getting max speed and charging my car in 14-15 minutes.

I'm guessing no news on whether they will be sending adapters to current owners of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis EVs or if there's a date when current owners can use the adapter as I recall them saying it will be Q1 2025 for current owners that don't have the NACS port which surprised me.

I got LinerX floor mats for my Kona 2024 EV thanks to your videos!

@steverogers8163

23 күн бұрын

I got some too. Good so far.

Hyundai need to change the location of charging port to driver side (like Tesla), It will make more sence if the connector changes to NACS but the location to be inconvenient in Tesla super chargers

Here in BC Canada the EV adoption rate, we have increased from 2022 @ 18% to 23023 with 23% so it is going up! I love checking to see how many Fords and Rivian's are charging on the Tesla network when I am road tripping with my Model Y and love talking to the very happy people that are using the best chargers out here! Love to share the Tesla Supercharger network. I am excited to Hyundai NACS adoption!

I'm looking forward to NACS. I can't travel with my Ioniq5 to parts of Ontario any longer because the charging infrastructure has gotten worse (thanks PetroCanada). But I can travel with my wife's Model Y because Tesla's supercharger network has full coverage. Looking forward to getting an adapter, even 97kw would be a major improvement.

Any mention of NACS adapters for current owners? When will they be available, and if they will be provided at no charge?

@FuncleChuck

24 күн бұрын

Don’t count on it. It’s really not a big deal

@user-nc6eq3pt8m

24 күн бұрын

@@FuncleChuck - So you are saying having access to the NACS system is not a big deal to current owners??? Just buying an adapter won't work. The car's software must be updated to recognize the NACS software. They both need to communicate with each other.

@TheIoniqGuy

23 күн бұрын

NACS is a standard that every charger will eventually have. What you are talking about is a Supercharger problem. NACS uses the exact same communication standard between your car and the charger as any CCS charger does

@mitsu.hadeishi

23 күн бұрын

NACS adapters will be available next year. I don't personally care if they're no charge. You can already get at least one now but it won't work until Tesla activates whatever car brand you have. Supposedly existing Hyundai:Kia's will have access via an adapter early 2025

I’m not sure this is all good news. Electrify America is no problem “in the back of Walmart parking lots”. I have been getting charging rates as high as 230 KW. So, tell me, if I get an Ioniq later in this year, with the Tesla connector, will I be able to charge at 230KW? What’s the deal going to be with EA?

@volcalstone

24 күн бұрын

The current V3 Telsa chargers could do 250kW but only if the software could talk to each other. Right now it doesn't and I'm sure it's Telsa not really caring until we get access at the beginning of next year. With the V4 Telsa chargers it could do up to 350kW and will work natively with 800v vehicles. Of course current Kia and Hyundai cars could only do up to 230kW. Hopefully the next gen will get even faster charging like Porsche right now. Edit: also the more competition the better in lowering those crazy expensive EA rates. 0.56 per kW is like pumping gas but with the wait smh. Most people go EVs to save money and not wait longer for no reason.

@FuncleChuck

24 күн бұрын

We don’t know speed yet. You’d need an adapter (until EA starts using the new charge cables) I wouldn’t count on getting above 150kW on any Tesla-branded charger.

@shTree

24 күн бұрын

I don't think the other replies are understanding your concern, so just to clarify; the switch to NACS won't change anything about your charging experience at EA stations as long as you have the adapter.

@3B_Productions

23 күн бұрын

@@shTree Thanks. That’s exactly the info I needed.

@phantom118899

13 күн бұрын

I was thinking exactly the same thing. We'll now have the inconvenience of always having to use the adapter and who knows when the other charging networks like EA will switch to Nacs connectors.

400V isn't the reason Hyundai cars charge at only 97 kw at Superchargers. Supercharger software is the problem. Hyundai's 800V cars can charge with 150 kw at 400v charging stations if CCS specifications are met. (Tesla doesn't care of course about those though)

@lanceareadbhar

24 күн бұрын

Correct. I think it isn't a simple update and I assume part of the negotiations were about who was going to pay for them and when they will be done by, but you are correct that they can charge at higher speeds, but Tesla didn't spend any money on that since they all used 400V architecture. The V4 superchargers will be much faster, but given the recent news who knows how long it will take for them to be widely available in the US.

@TheIoniqGuy

24 күн бұрын

I’m not saying 400V is specifically why it’s currently at 97kW, I’m saying 400V is the reason we’ll never get 250kW at a current Supercharger

@drmcallis

23 күн бұрын

175+ kW, actually, on 400-volt units.

@masina9447

21 күн бұрын

For current Ioniqs, yes, 400V is indeed the reason. I thought the same as you until I found out 150kW CCS stations are almost all capable of 800V, and only a few over 50kW are 400V max. Hyundai just came up with a clever way of using the traction inverter for 400V->700V conversion (unlike Porsche), and 100kW was free. Some chargers limited speed to ~50kW for Ioniqs, but 100kW is the 400V limit. For 2025 models with NACS, maybe they'll boost that, since it's a 150kW inverter.

@drmcallis

21 күн бұрын

@@masina9447 I was referencing the "charge with 150 kW at 400v charging stations" statement in pointing out that our 2022 I5 regularly pulls 175ish kW on those units that EA labels as "150kW". Though you may be right that the reason being they are 800v units, not 400v as I thought.

Hooray! I was dead set on Model Y. Went on vacay to FLA in March, and reserved an MY with Hertz. And when we got there...they gave us an Ioniq 5. With 32% SOC, and we have about 210 miles to traverse. Of course that turned into a nightmare due to few and far between CCS DC Fast Charging spots. But through the week, I really started to like the 5. Did some web surfing and learned the I5 is getting NACS in Q4, so I figured I'd hold off and wait for that, even though I'll have a Level 2 charger at home. I was unsure (until this video) about whether the I5s with CCS could charge at a Tesla Supercharger, but even so I'd prefer to wait for native NACS (not to mention the rear wiper, elimination of coolant changes, and a little bigger battery!).

I’ve been looking forward to the 2025 Ioniq 5. I love the range, the space, and all the driver/safety convenience features. I realized, however, that the non-Tesla EV chargers are few and far between on the Pennsylvania and Ohio turnpikes. I could foresee pulling into the rare service plaza with non-Tesla charging stations and finding them occupied or out of service. As the Hyundai president says, the infrastructure in the United States is way behind the EV technology. I am going to lease another plug-in hybrid. Hopefully, in three years, the EV infrastructure will be much better and I can go full electric.

Tesla has re-hired some of the Charger staff that were outstanding, so I have no doubts that Tesla will make it easy for the Hyundai group to bring NACS ease of use to North America!

I wish I could get confirmation - I'm on the edge of financing a Model Y w/ their promotional financing deals right now - but would hold out for a Long Range RWD SE Ioniq 6 IF they start building them w/ NACS/SAE J3400.

I want to hear Tesla say when the rest of the car brands will be officially invited to use their SuC network. NACS ports do no good if the car isn't authorized to charge on their network. Why isn't any of the talking heads concentrating on that subject?

Hot take: With the stations on the ground I would still prefer CCS1 with an 800V car. Adapting NACS to CCS1 is much less awkward than the reverse, and the big installed base improvement is for 400V stations I don't want to use anyway.

Getting to universal EV access at every DC fast charger will be a good thing. However current Superchargers won’t necessarily be my first choice given the power limitation and short cables. They’re designed for Teslas and I don’t see them spending any significant money to change that. If you have a J3400/NACS charge port on whatever EV you own you’ll still probably need an adapter to use all the CCS equipment that is going to be around for years to come. Tesla owners have been using them for several years.

@TheIoniqGuy

23 күн бұрын

It wouldn’t be my first choice either but where I live there’s many places I’d like to go that I can’t because there are currently none or very few CCS chargers available

Yup, if you reach out to Hyundai they will confirm ‘25 model year vehicles will have it. “Currently, Hyundai EVs are equipped with a Combined Charging System (CCS) port which is not compatible with the Tesla Supercharger Network. However, Hyundai Motor America has announced that Hyundai EVs will be adopting the North American Charging Standard (NACS) port in the United States and Canada in 2025, which will gain access to Tesla Superchargers across the United States, Canada, and Mexico. Hyundai 2025 EV models will be equipped with the NACS charging port and Hyundai owners of EVs equipped with the current CCS charging port will be offered an adapter to access Tesla Superchargers at that time.” I asked a few weeks ago, great quick reply 😊.

Do you have updated recommendations for NACS adapters for those of us with older Ioniq 5 models? I'd love to see a "must have for a road trip" recommendations type of video featuring neat tech for Ioniq 5 for 2024

@tomm5936

19 күн бұрын

There’s a channel called “State of Charge”. He tests chargers and adapters in a lot of details.

I really hope Ionna would be the next Supercharging company that would go beyond what Tesla built. With too much stupidity in that company, its the perfect time for other companies to innovate and progress

No information coming out about if there will be a price increase to the IONIQ 5 when it comes with the NACS

Actually, this super charger will continue to grow. Tesla says the growth in the number of locations will slow, but the number of plugs will continue to grow fast using existing locations. Finding, negotiating, building, and permitting new locations required the most work, hence the layoffs.

Why can you get a CCS adaptor for NACS ports, but not the other way around?

@BillyONeal

10 күн бұрын

If I understand correctly, Tesla's supercharger network uses CAN bus, not the protocol CCS uses, for car to charger communications. Non-Teslas don't know how to speak that protocol, so a physical adapter is insufficient to make them work on superchargers. Adapters from NACS to CCS exist, for example the one sold by A2ZEV. But they don't work at superchargers without the supercharger actually having the CCS (electrically) hardware and the car brand being allow-listed by Tesla.

Every time l charge my car at an EA charging station, l see a Tesla with an adapter charging there. I Tesla owners don't want to use their own chargers, why should we be so happy to wait for them. I find that very suspect

I have to imagine the NACS Hyundai vehicles are the ones that will come out of the new Georgia factory. So we probably won't see them till that is online.

I wonder if there will be retrofitting for native NACS ports on 24 and earlier gmp cars and hopefully the new 25s will be able to charge also on Tesla‘s destination level two chargers my understanding with Ford’s adapter, you cannot only at select superchargers

@steverogers8163

23 күн бұрын

lvl 2 is AC power so any knock off convertor can do that, no special software is required, the car handles all the mechanics on its end. DC fast charging offloads all the responsibility to the charger so it needs to communicate exactly with the car to monitor the batter status as dumps power straight into them. So any car can use those Tesla lvl 2 chargers, always could. The DC chargers have to be unlocked by Tesla to anyone other than a Tesla to use them. I wondered if it was possible to do an in car conversion as well. I'm sure it is possible, probably at least one youtuber will do it for the clicks. I'm just not sure it would make economic sense if an adapter is $100 bucks and a conversion is way more. But who knows.

@SonicCommenter

23 күн бұрын

Hyundai couldn't even put a rear window wiper on the 2024 and earlier Ioniqs, even though they know what kind of weather exists in Canada and much of the US. They have not offered any way to correct that mistake which actually affects safety. What makes you think they will have any way of retrofitting NACs connectors on their older vehicles which only affects convenience.

North America, are you saying Canada also?

@TheIoniqGuy

24 күн бұрын

I would imagine that they’ll keep US and Canada in line with each other but I don’t know anything more than they’ve said

@bobstevenson4396

23 күн бұрын

@@TheIoniqGuy Canadian and USA rebate structures are completely different than each other and hence the models offered in each country are different in order to take advantage of those government rebates. I expect once Hyundai & Kia start manufacturing EVs in the USA, Canada will continue importing from Korea just like Tesla makes their US model Y’s in the USA while the Canadian model Y’s are made in China to maximize profits. Canada does not have a US$7,500 rebate that requires cars to be made in Canada.

To be clear, Elon declared the Tesla only network to be the North America Charging Standard (NACS). At that point, it was completely incompatible with CCS communications and to this day remains so. That physical standard was made available and later was adopted into the J3400 in its form shape and communication. Tesla is now converting by upgrading their NACS physical connectors to J3400 that can communicate with CCS vehicles. The remaining connectors on version two chargers, destination, chargers, etc. will never be anything other than NACS. I don’t mean to split hairs and it’s a catchier term than J3400 BUT there has to be a distinction between a Tesla supercharger version two that will never charge my IONIQ 5 and a Tesla supercharger V3 that will only charge it at a super slow rate. If they’re both NACS, then why does one charge and one does not with the only differences is the J3400 standard of communication which one does not have. It’s gonna be a difference in the future so we might as well get it clearly in our heads that, thank you Elon for an elegant piece of plastic, but at the end of the day, that’s all we got from Tesla, a format. The rest of it came from the SAE that created and continues to improve that connector which is now the J3400 connector. So Tesla’s charging equipment is really the odd man out being old and slow, even though it’s widespread. Thankfully, every other provider across the US have been communicating with CCS vehicles for years and changing the shape of the plug as a piece of cake and they charge at a much higher voltage. I might add that that is also a requirement of NEVI $$. Somehow Tesla convinced some idiot that their low-voltage was actually high enough to meet the requirements. Go figure‼️ Fund three times the amount of chargers you’re gonna need when you charge them at 1/3 their native speed. 8:43

@tomm5936

19 күн бұрын

100% agree.

One point that never gets addressed is demand charges. This is why (imo) many chargers get D rated. Let's say I install DCFC chargers. My utility has high demand charges. That eats up my profits. I simple use software to D rate the charger during peak times or any time frame needed for more profitability. Conspiracy or business? You decide.

I have a similar question to others. When Hyundai EVs come with the NACS port will they still be able to charge as fast at 350kw stations?

@MyMovie5858

24 күн бұрын

Based on the video, it does not sound like it unless you have access to a V4 supercharger

@davidmorley3734

24 күн бұрын

Yes, assuming they have a NACS connector. NACS is just the physical connection, voltage, amperage and the various communications protocols running over the wire will be the same.

@stevenmeyers5088

22 күн бұрын

@@davidmorley3734 and in the meantime, would a NACS to CCS adapter at an updated NACS-plug non-Tesla charger should be able to also reach those speeds? Thinking about older non-Tesla EVs that will still have the older port.

@davidmorley3734

22 күн бұрын

@@stevenmeyers5088 That'll come down to the manufacturer of the NACS to CCS adapter, I would expect them to support a full speed EGMP charging at 250kW though, essentially it comes down to high grade plastics and wiring that won't overheat because the cooling stops at the NACS plug and won't pass through the adapter. The adapter is going to have to be rated for a certain charging speed and/or approved by the OEM for use with that car. Going the other way Tesla have had no problems AFAIK with their CCS to NACS adapter, but their peak charging is pretty shortlived before throttling down. Also for most cars that can charge happily on a 150kW charger (e.g. ID.4, Kona EV) I am confident that they won't have a problem.

The audacity of Hyundai to try to force tesla to do something with their own chargers. Why dont they hurry up and put their money with their mouth is with ionna like you said in the video. Tesla will move onto high voltage soon anyways but these companies are leaching off of tesla. All of them are bs cause they dont want ev to succeed. Good video.

What happened to IONNA? Are they gonna start deploying NACS chargers in the US? Hyundai, Kia, and General Motors (GM) are part of a joint venture with five other automakers to create a large public EV charging network in North America. The network, called IONNA, will include at least 30,000 charging stations in the U.S. and Canada by 2030. The first stations are expected to open in the summer of 2024.

I am concerned less about nacs than Ionna getting going. Tesla chargers work but most are in shopping malls. I want dedicate travel stations that are under canopies and have the normal convenience items that travel centers offer ICE cars. I also want better pricing than many of GMs nevi sites at Pilot Flting J and TA truckstops.

I delayed my EV purchase from 2023 to 2025 to give more EV manufactures time to ship their vehicles with NACS (J3400) ports.

Why would i want to pay $.64 kWh at a Tesla station when I can pay $.44 at EA or Circle K here in Minnesota? Even at $.44 that works out to $4.70 gasoline for a 30 mpg auto.

@TheIoniqGuy

23 күн бұрын

The point is that it’s another option. I can’t go places where I live because there is no other option besides Tesla so I welcome having the choice. Is it going to be ideal? No

I’m ok with EA at Walmart - you can get a snack and use the bathroom. Downside while on a road trip is competing with local drivers for limited chargers (that might not all be working). EA at Bank of America offers no amenities on site.

So, dealer is still there to get the price up. NOT GOOD!

I wonder about level 2 home charging at 800V? Will the new NACS connector itself support that? If we trade out our CCS Ioniqs for new ones, will our charging speed be limited even at our homes? Also, would there be a retrofit for our current connectors to support NACS so that our ports don't overheat? I still have that issue at medium and highest charging speeds at home/level 2, so basically, I'm throttled down to the lowest anyway at home.

@FuncleChuck

24 күн бұрын

Buddy… home charging is AC 120V or 240V in North America. Nobody has 400V or 800V at home. That doesn’t make any sense and would cost $100k probably.

That's a good reassurance that Hyundai's timeline hasn't waivered, but… I wouldn't hold my breath on Tesla holding up their end of the deal. It also raises some questions, however. For example, I'm guessing that the 2-years free charging with Electrify America will be dropped for cars with those J3400 ports…? If Tesla doesn't pull through on time, will those new models with also come with adapters so they can still use CCS1 stations…? What's needed more than anything else is for Tesla to simply authorize E-GMP cars to use their v3 and v4 Superchargers, like is already the case for Ford and Rivian. There are already third-party J3400 adapters available so that you and I could plug in at those Superchargers if need be *IF* we just had the software upgrades to do so. BTW, apparently you CAN use those thrid-party adapters with Magic Dock stations, as this owner demonstrated: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYSu1bOCf6W6c6Q.html

If Hyundai doesn't provide NACS adaptors for current Hyundai owners will Tesla offer them?

@tomm5936

19 күн бұрын

There are already adaptors made by other companies. The adaptor is not what’s stopping you from charging at a Tesla site, it’s that Tesla has to unlock the charger for your car.

@seveglider8406

19 күн бұрын

@@tomm5936 Yes there are adaptors available. However, I would not trust any of them until they have proven to be reliable and safe.

Can anyone explain why my 2024 Ioniq 5 would charge @ 80% = 285 miles and now (3300 miles on the odometer) 80% = 187 miles?

@TheIoniqGuy

21 күн бұрын

Because it is an estimate that’s based on factors from the past week of driving. Is going to always be changing depending on temperature, driving speed, terrain etc

@colleenboll9438

21 күн бұрын

@@TheIoniqGuy thank you!!

Since EA chargers will be predominantly CCS for the near future, I wonder if buyers of NACS Ioniqs will get an adapter for free or if they'll have to pay... or maybe the EA incentive will go away

@TheIoniqGuy

23 күн бұрын

The EA contract for free charging ends with the current model year and I haven’t heard anything about it getting renewed

Not a fan of Tesla or their charger. I have been very happy with CCS. I am amazed that Hyundai,KIA, and Genesis are doubling down on this. If I were considering a new EV right now, I would hold off for a couple years.

@mitsu.hadeishi

23 күн бұрын

All cars with NACS will continue to be able to charge at CCS chargers.

@MrJohnthefarmer

23 күн бұрын

@@mitsu.hadeishi we can charge at CCS chargers now like many Tesla owners do. I don't really see an advantage. I do suspect that it will affect EV adoption/sales in the short term.

@mitsu.hadeishi

23 күн бұрын

@@MrJohnthefarmer I don't understand what is difficult to get. Right now, we CAN'T charge at most Superchargers and in future we CAN. If I'm on a road trip and all the CCS chargers are busy, I can go to a Supercharger as a backup rather than wait for possibly a long time. That is a clear benefit. The NACS port is irrelevant as there will be an adapter, so the point here is that whether you have a NACS port or CCS you'll be able to charge at both CCS and most Superchargers in a pinch.

@MrJohnthefarmer

23 күн бұрын

@@mitsu.hadeishi it's very simple. I at one point I was very impressed with Elon Musk. That time has passed and I don't trust him. I suspect there will be problems and it won't be as easy as you say that it's another option. His firing of the charging team reinforced that suspicion. I will watch and see but like I said if I were considering a new EV I would wait. I'm surprised that Hyundai's President is doubling down but then perhaps he is nervous but past the point of no return. As I said, we will see what happens. For the sake of all those buying new EVs next year, I hope everything goes smoothly.

@mitsu.hadeishi

22 күн бұрын

@@MrJohnthefarmer Again, I really don't see your point. I personally also don't trust Elon anymore, given how erratic he has been. But all vehicles with NACS ports will ALSO be able to charge at CCS chargers so there's zero reason to wait, whatsoever. If you don't want to use Superchargers, you don't have to.

Since the Cybertruck is 800 volt I'm hoping Tesla will do whatever is necessary to improve the charging for 800 volt cars. I'm a bit nervous about the transition as I'm not convinced Musk is really interested in promoting electric cars anymore and has moved on to AI, robots, robotaxis, rockets and right wing media. If he was gone I'd have more confidence in Tesla becoming a reliable partner. The way he handled the supercharger firings proves he can't be trusted. In the beginning I was waiting for the 2025 model for the NACS, now I'm waiting because of the other improvements. However, I'm glad Hyundai is moving on with NACS this year, as having two charging standards is just bad.

It is not at all clear to me that Ioniq's announcement is good news. Despite the plans for adoption of NACS as the official U.S. high speed EV charging standard, we are probably going to live for some time in a U.S. environment where NACS and CCS exist side-by-side. On the Tesla side, their v2 superchargers will probably never charge anything other than a Tesla, and (as discussed here) their v3 superchargers will probably never deliver the amount of power that an 800 v car like an Ioniq 5 or 6 is designed to accept. Given Musk's recent firing of his supercharger team, I think we may have a long wait until we see a robust network of v4 superchargers. So it may be the case for quite a while that Ioniq 5 and 6 drivers will continue to rely on Electrify America and other CCS charging networks as their fastest source of high-speed charging. However, EA has made it clear that they plan to move to the NACS standard reasonably soon ... probably offering both NACS and CCS charging options (as they currently offer both CCS and CHAdeMO cables). This may mean that frequent road trippers are going to want to carry an adapter no matter what plug their EV is equipped with, so they can charge at whatever station (CCS or NACS) is open when they need a charge. As many of the commenters here are pointing out, it's not at all clear that a NACS-equipped Ioniq 5 or 6 is going to charge as quickly using an adapter at a 350 kW CCS station as it can today without an adapter. Might we be better off next year with a 2025 Ioniq 5 with a CCS plug? We're probably going to be traveling with a high-speed adapter anyway. At least with a CCS plug, we know we can charge with high speed at existing 350 kW CCS stations.

I’ll be happy to buy a car from Amazon rather than going to a dealer.

At this point. Nacs is a downgrade. There are no 800v nacs chargers

@YellowBoltTC

24 күн бұрын

? You act like they aren’t going to upgrade or make new chargers lol

@volcalstone

24 күн бұрын

​@@YellowBoltTChave you been sleeping under a rock recently? Elon just fired his whole super charging team. They're not gonna expand as fast as they were. At this rate we might not even get V4 800v chargers until 2030.

@FuncleChuck

24 күн бұрын

For today, maybe. But it’s not that big of a deal and it will be better long-term to have more options

@911_dan2

24 күн бұрын

It will take years to change all the Tesla chargers to ver4

@7minutesdead

9 күн бұрын

If I have to choose, I will 100% choose reliability over speed as long as it's not a 50kW station. Every single other network around me is spotty and inconsistent to say the least, with often 2 of 4 stations being completely inoperable for months at a time. At least Tesla stations are consistently reliable, and simple plug-in-play without the woes of an extremely buggy phone app trying to stay in sync with a buggy and unreliable station (I'm looking at you Electrify America, Chargepoint, Francis Energy).

I'm more worried about the 12V issue than what the charging port is going to look like.

The agreement the automakers have with Tesla provides them access to the Supercharger network, but it does not guarantee a certain expansion of Superchargers to meet the increased load caused by every non-Tesla gaining access in the next year. Nor does their agreement guarantee when or even if Tesla will roll out v4 chargers (not just dispensers, but the 1000v cabinets). TLDR: it's wonderful we're going to have Elon's proprietary port on the cars, but don't count on the Supercharger network being anything but a backup if (when?) Electrify America fails you. I'm sorry, but there are no decent solutions on the horizon in 2025 that will make long distance travel in a non-Tesla EV something I would recommend to mainstream consumers.

"Our cars by the fourth quarter this year will bring the NACS port by default, although we will offer our customers the possibility to continue to utilize the other system." What exactly does that mean? New customers can choose between CCS and NACS? Unlikely. If he meant people with a CCS port get to keep it, well...duh!

@TheIoniqGuy

24 күн бұрын

I think it just mean you’ll get an adapter

Nothing here that we did not know already: NACS (J3400) ports in new cars coming at the end of 2024. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis said long ago that J3400 to CCS adapters will be available in 2025. No explanation as to why it takes a year longer to provide an adapter than it does to engineer a new port into new cars! Especially confounding since Fords and Rivians are already using Superchargers. Yeah, there is the 400V vs 800V incompatibility, but at least give us some Magic docks, ffs.

@tomm5936

19 күн бұрын

In my opinion the adaptors is not the issue. You can buy one on the internet and you can find videos showing they work without issue. However you cannot use it before Tesla opens the stations for your car. That’s the show stopper.

I think the slow down partly happened because of the announcement that solid state batteries are not far off. I almost waited myself.

Just as Tesla fires the entire Supercharger team….

Guess who's going to cover Amazon's costs/margins to act as an interface between the car buyer and the Hyundai dealer? Hint: It won't be Hyundai.

I will never use the Tesla Supercharging network. I look forward to the moment when Elon blocks all these other EV makers from his Supercharger network. With Tesla losing money hes not going to support his competition. They need to focus on building out their own EV Charging Network instead?

Hopefully Elon can stay off the ketamine long enough to make this deal happen.

I personally don’t have any faith in NAC and Tesla after what Musk just did. I don’t care what anyone says. I’m kind of glad I have a CCS car now and I’ll just use an adapter for a Tesla station. I hear opposite from other manufacturers being worried about the whole Tesla mess.

@YellowBoltTC

24 күн бұрын

?

@Jrfeimst2

24 күн бұрын

@@YellowBoltTC ?

@volcalstone

24 күн бұрын

​@@YellowBoltTC?

@sprockkets

24 күн бұрын

And ppl wondered why no one wanted to partner with tesla. Now you know. Never put all your eggs in one basket.

I would not worry either, if not for the guy with two four-letter words for a name and his tantrum-driven antics...

My bet is that Tesla never gives Hyundais access to their chargers in spite of the "deal". Musk is nuts and also has ADD. He doesn't care about breaking agreements and he acts arbitrarily. In fact, he may be losing interest in Tesla. He's pissed that they won't give him the $55 billion he's demanding and he also keeps saying that he's only now really interested in A.I. (I don't care how much of a "genius" he is.....$55 billion???!!!!) And I'm not sure that I care. Since Tesla still sells more EV's than anyone else and with the access to other brands that he has given so far, the lines at Tesla chargers are going to be long and you know there is going to be big time pushback from Tesla owners who thought they were going to have exclusive use of those chargers. There was already an incident where a Tesla owner tried to have the owner of another brand arrested for using the charger. There's only one location near me with high speed Tesla chargers. (All the rest are only 6-10kW). And that location also has EA chargers. With the dissolution of Tesla's charging team, it's unlikely they're going to expand their charger network more than what it already is (although Musk could completely change his mind again).. At the time he did this, there was publication of the notice he sent to their vendors, telling them to stop all construction of new charging stations. I'm much more interested in the IONNA venture, even though all they've announced so far was the appointment of Seth Cutler as CEO on February 9th. Electrify American claims they're also going to have major expansion, even though I've seen no signs of that either. I hope the Feds are monitoring who they gave infrastructure money to and whether it's being used for its intended purposes. With the exception of those people who regularly travel great distances or people who can't charge at home, we might be too obsessed about the charging infrastructure anyway. I live in an apartment building that installed L2 chargers in the garage - one for every two spots where they've been installed (20 chargers). They'll expand that if more people buy EV's, but so far only three out of about 125 cars are EV's. So I'm set for 90% of my driving. The main time I need a charger on the road is when I drive upstate to see a relative and for that, I stop at an EA charger that's about 10 minutes off my route. A slight pain, but not that big a deal. However, I've seen people posting who drive hundreds of miles a day. They obviously need reliable and fast charging on their routes.

Why is your head looking up in your videos, we can see up your nose, its weird

@TheIoniqGuy

24 күн бұрын

I have large nostrils. Sorry they bother you so much

@EVPHASE

23 күн бұрын

@@TheIoniqGuy Just some advice, bring the camera up higher and have it point down a little, then you could lower your head too