It does seem massively risky Mythic selling those bundles. If a backer who hadn't paid the ransom just ordered it, then charged back on their credit card saying it never arrived, and just claimed the copy that did arrive was their crowdfunded copy... I can't see Mythic having a leg to stand on honestly.

@jinrainown

24 күн бұрын

Great idea!

@Dstinct

24 күн бұрын

Lately many delivery services are taking photos of the product on your porch, so this doesn't work anymore.

@deano2099

23 күн бұрын

@@Dstinct oh no, don't say nothing arrived, that would be fraud. I mean just assume that the copy that does arrive is your much delayed KS copy (as they seem to be identical) and then claim for the other. I can't see any good way they could defend that claim.

Rainbow Six Siege could be the best board game ever made, I wouldn't buy it from Mythic Games. they already more money from me than they deserve, since I bought the all-in for Anastyr that will never arrive. This game, plus my bad experience with Limbo: Eternal War, has pushed me out of crowd funding games. if I have to spend a little more when they get a full release, buying from a store or backer who no longer wants it, I'll do that. and sometimes, you get amazing deals that way! I got the all in for Massive Darkness 1 and 2 for 200 bucks a month ago. that would have cost me well over 600 if I had backed both games.

@CheddahSlammer

25 күн бұрын

What's wrong with Limbo, their doing better then other creators in the space like Stormsunder. Their last update literally shows actual mini's in trays and sure their late and don't update as frequently as they should, but personally I am actually having the opposite experience and are happy with Limbo compared to others.

@fitzgigler

24 күн бұрын

@@CheddahSlammer the game is extremely delayed, but work on the rulebook and unit cards are still ongoing. Banestar had a live stream a few days ago that was supposed to be for proof-reading, then after it ended made a post asking people for names of abilities. Just boggles my mind that this stuff is somehow not locked in when its multiple years delayed. Maybe the problem is interacting with the discord, but often times you get more up to date information there than in the infrequent updates.

@CheddahSlammer

23 күн бұрын

@@fitzgigler Maybe its just me, but for me their at least updating us on progress even though its slow. I have one project I backed in 2019, lack of updates, last update was in 2022. Website down, no knowledge of ever getting the game. Another one backed in 2020, had no updates since 2023, had to do some digging but found out the sol creator died, their fore their hasn't been any updates. Never will get the game for that. Had another one were the creator told us he needed to spend the kickstarter money on medical bills so were not getting our games. Lastly had Holy Grail games just go bankrupt and leave all the games they made in the Warehouse. So for me it doesn't seem as bad because I had much worse.

Off topic but any insight why cmon postponed their Zombicide “Plague-bearer” last minute. Their reasoning seems a little suspect.

You tempted me with 6 Siege comments, but I successfully rolled to deny the temptation. It may be really good, but I don't think I'd ever get it to the table. Needs at least 2 players and we are more of coop players. Mythic Games other games have really great production quality and all that. I hope people buy it so they can produce and we can get the other games that were backed.

I'm pretty sad to hear about Game Brewer. I loved Oak, and am looking forward to Bone Wars (which should deliver as its already in production and on sale on their website). Sounds like they never fully recovered from the pandemic hit and the 2 games with poor production quality.

Still waiting for my Mythic KS "Darkest Dungeon", will they ever deliver? And yes, I paid the ransom. Their last update was in February.

I think Game Brewer probably wanted to keep their good reputation by ordering the minimum of even under funded games to make sure backers were taken care of first. Maybe not the best financial decisions but you gotta pick one. Can’t have your cake and eat it too with struggling companies. They either care about backers or surviving. Can’t be both in that situation.

I am personally slowing down. I am favoring STL file type games. I am worried that I will never get my robotech game that i backed. If not for the failure of the last few games by Mythic they would have been one of the few I would have still backed. Now I am being very very cagey on what I back anymore.

Got the 6 core box. Waiting for the inevitable fire sale for the maps. I remembered having fomo for the steam watchers stuff when it went on sale but now I see it in used game shops. So I’m being patient and just glad not to have an all in to paint.

@PRC533

24 күн бұрын

I nearly bought steam watchers when they had their last fire sale but I dug around for the few reviews I could find and they were universally marginal.

@pecktec

24 күн бұрын

@@PRC533 I like it but in that 3+ player zone that I have a hard time getting players for. Or when I do they have other stuff to play. My go to snowpocolips game is DEI.

They screwed up for doing a perfect scam with that game table. If they never had any pictures that would show actual scale, then they could have shipped a tiny 28mm scale table for use in games. I agree with you that it almost has to be a scam.

Preordered Solomon Kane from Mythic > 2 years ago… I’ve received nada!

@TheKingofAverage

25 күн бұрын

Ugh really?

@stefve

25 күн бұрын

You’re not the only one, Mythic is just one big fraud.

Getting the item cheaper later on happens at retail as well. I have picked up multiple games at 75-90% off. Clearance happens in most industries. If a business closes it’s pretty much guaranteed. Crowd funding to me is more about the wait and the initial risk of it not being made at all. Without exclusives or the game having no plans to go to retail there is no reason to back. I think a lot of people, myself included, have backed more than they should have and not tabled items enough for the retail discounts to not feel bad.

@TheKingofAverage

25 күн бұрын

This is true! The difference between these big games however is usually the retail version is different. That's the original intent for crowdfunding exclusive parts I feel.

I do get your point about the way GameBrewer handles the sale BUT I do think they did it in a good way. If you backed games from them you probably don't revuy them again but fill your collection with rhe missing titles - regardless of the subscription stuff. Why should I even subscribe a company?! That's more interesting than the couple percentage advantage 😅

Date for KoA campaign drawing?

The problem is with 6 Siege, when they did the ransom they said they are only making enough for the people who paid. Yet they have a bunch to sell on their store. So did the people who paid pay for this stock as well as their own pledge? Even if not, there are a bunch of backers who have already paid for this game (and VAT and shipping). Mythic are just scum. I expected this to happen, which is why I didn't pay the ransom and won't be buying from Mythic.

@danielsan9830

25 күн бұрын

Thats Mythic doing Mythic things i guess, even after the whole ransom thing they continued to lie to their backers regarding production process and delivery time.

@aeryellae5837

25 күн бұрын

They produced what they needed, but of course they have extras. They would need extras for parts, but also you generally produce in runs (e.g., 1000, 2000). So if you have 1700 backers, you order 2000 copies. It depends on the factory and the product, but there will almost always be extra copies as a result.

@KapteeniKetza

25 күн бұрын

If you have (for example) 10 000 backers u order 11 000 for some extra backup if some packages goes missing or is damaged. Then if from those 10 000 backers half gets refunded then suddenly you have surplus extra 5000 copies to sell.

@Mike_James

20 күн бұрын

the game was paid for twice. it was always going to be over printed for retail sale on their site. i said as much when the little water carrying white knights were defending them on their discord. NEWSFLASH: Mythic lied. for profit. they raised in the neighborhood of 15million dollars and produced very little. half of DD, and 6 siege? its bad. thats not accounting for website sales, IP sales, etc. theyre disgusting. thats not mismanagement, thats intentional.

If the incidence of scams and non=delivery gets high enough that people stop backing, Kickstarter will start to care. Also, if a court takes notice of the Kickstarter business model (the "rewards are not guaranteed" verbiage) they will care then, not until then though. They are like a casino. People scuttle in, leave their money, and scuttle off. The only difference is that Kickstarter gives you the opportunity to participate in the grand social experiment of posting comments and assuming anyone is listening.

@PRC533

24 күн бұрын

As long as KS keeps getting their % off the top of every campaign, nothing will change. There is no regulation that is going to touch them and they are so big in the market at this point that it's unrealistic that anyone is going to overtake them.

partially for the algorithm, partially to mention that i did order darkest dungeon from one of mythics % sales with some extra stuff and got it no problem (and its also a really good game).

@TheKingofAverage

25 күн бұрын

Oh that's good!

Backers do seem to get the shaft with regards to crowdfunding. Backers interaction with a company through crowdfunding is transactional in nature but they are taking risk in the production and company as if they were an investor. It's like investing stocks in apple with the hope of eventually getting a new laptop. But since the laptop doesn't exist at the time of placing your order your have no guarantee other than promises made by the company that you'll someday get it. It seems the more savvy people become with this kind of relationship the more they realize that often the risk isn't worth the possible reward. Some companies do it well but I feel like a lot of them don't. Mix in a few that are out right scams and it can leave a bad taste in any backer's mouth.

@TheKingofAverage

20 күн бұрын

Yeah if you think about it, just one non delivery for a few hundred negates any sort of "savings" you thought you might be making on all the other purchases.

The first kickstarter I backed was Table of Ultimate Gaming. I was very fortunate to actually get my table, but that project could have kept me from even doing it again.

Well, to no one's surprise on the "table." Perhaps I am petty, but I would let KS know, again, on the update with a snarky little "told you so." And when the table folds, pun intended, ask them what they are doing to ensure integrity. But, I have no platform so they'd just ignore me. Then again, KS has ALWAYS been that way. They don't care if something doesn't pan out. Yes, it is part of the risk of new starts and why honest people NEED CF-ing, but when something was so obviously false, how could they allow it to go through?

@PRC533

24 күн бұрын

They could allow it to go through because they get their cut right off the top of the funding and then completely wash their hands of it. Because they have no meaningful competition for crowdfunding outside board games, there is zero incentive for them to care.

I live in Canada and have had to back off my KS habit because of shipping costs. I have all of Mythic Battles Pantheon and Ragnarok, but am only in for $1 for Isfet because I can't guarantee I'll be able to afford the shipping as it always changes between the campaign and the final price. For me, shipping fees eat up any and all savings I might have made through backing a project. Any game that I know will be available after KS/Gamefound funding I now wait until it's commercially available because I will be saving all those shipping fees. You seemed a little down in this video, man. Hope things are going well.

I was about to buy 6 Siege from their sale but ended up just getting a used “open box” Trooper Pledge off of Mercari. Tracking says it’ll be here Wednesday.

Although I've already paid 2 ransoms for Darkest Dungeon, I think I would even pay the 3rd one to finally get the rest of the expansions. I really really want them and want Mythic Games to be a thing of the past finally. Oh, wait, I'm a backer of Hel.. let's see what CMON will come up with, LOL.

@darksinz56

17 күн бұрын

I never ever got the email for the 2nd wave ransom link, i just took it as money scammed. I did enjoy playing the Base board with friends though we never did touch the crimson court dlc but I refuse to pay for another ransom.

It's always a joy to see mythic games selling bundles while I'm still waiting my hundreds dollars worth refound (which I'll nevere get off course)

I'll bet that Mythic are still making a profit on $370. There's a reason that they picked that price, and it's probably the lowest that they are willing to go without losing money.

@BreinGames

25 күн бұрын

I’m willing to bet that it’s all profit at this point. They’ve likely already written it off as a loss and don’t expect to come out on top from this game. Separating themselves from the original cost, operating from the perspective of, what we’ve lost in the past is over with, anything else coming in is all profit…

@proof_games8641

25 күн бұрын

It's pure profit because it's the extra stock people didn't pay the extra for so it's already been paid for.

I am seeing this sale thing more often lately. Because of a Pegasus sale I was able to get the complete Etherfields all in for 140€ incl. all stretch goals which is ridiculous

Mythic won't see another $ from me after DD ransoms, and wasted money for Hel and Anastyr.

What really sucks is not getting refund for 6 Siege after they tried to get more money than my original pledge yet they have a bunch for sale. Trash company.

Just a warning: people are reporting issues getting their orders from the Mythic store. I got mine (ordered the remaining year expansions to complete my KS pledge back when the store first went online), but others were not so fortunate, and haven't received their orders made as far back as april, yet. Shame, the game is unarguably great, its fate is one of the big tragedies of board game publishing imo.

I ordered some stuff when the overstock shop opened up 8 weeks ago and ive gotten nothing.

@TheKingofAverage

25 күн бұрын

Man sorry to hear that

Hear hear to deep discounts, and add 1st edition backers JUST getting their games and being hit with paid add-on 'errata' packs on a reprint campaign that fixes/updates the game. Factoring in the the cost of the pack plus another round of shipping is often a lot more than a newcomer backing the reprint with an already fixed game.

@TheKingofAverage

25 күн бұрын

plus the wait! I've gotten games and immediately shelved them since a "fix" was coming in a year.

I don't care about Rainbow Six Siege. I care about whether wave 2 of Darkest Dungeon does or does not deliver. I'm not going to buy something that I do not want to marginally increase the chance of something that I already paid for by an infinitesimally small amount. I've pretty much given up on Hel at this point but if CMON's consolation prize seems worthy enough I might plump for it.

P.T. Barnum said it best, "There's a sucker born every minute."

The Mythic Games store site claims $50 off if you buy $150 or more and a surprise gift at checkout. I’m sitting on the checkout page and don’t see either. Is that the surprise?

@utahman06

25 күн бұрын

Not sure what the surprise gift is supposed to be, but I’ve heard the $50 off coupon comes after you’ve completed your order, so it’s not intended to be used with the 6S order.

I'm so sad I didn't see this before I backed it I lost so much money 😞

@TheKingofAverage

21 күн бұрын

Sorry man :(

So sad, Game Brewer was one of my absolute favorite publishers. They delivered their games, as promised and I don't own a single one that doesn't hit the table frequently.

Im in the never back again club. Its not worth it or fun.

So is mythic tribg to sell seige6 of under the cost of kickstarter prices, like DD. Strange they tell backers they need to pay more because costs have skyrocketed but then will sell the game cheaper.

If you already backed all 20 of games projects, what is there left to buy?

@TheKingofAverage

23 күн бұрын

LOL not a bad point :) add-ons you didn't get before I suppose :D

Ppl need to stop complaining about paying more during the campaign ... u got ur high on the fomo .. Litterally 99% of games released u could get cheaper than backing about 6 months after delivery ... This is why i stopped backing stuff, if i think i will like a game pick it up later at less of a cost

Uh...not really a sale unless you are comparing it to 3rd party price gouging or buying individually on MG eshop. That all-in is basically the Trooper pledge. With my original Trooper pledge and the contribution ask, it is almost the same amount that MG is selling on their eshop at $370 right now. Since you never paid the contribution to receive your pledge, it is understandable that you didn't know how much you would have to pay.

I got some Runewars minis to add to Zombicide

@BreinGames

25 күн бұрын

That made no cents

@LeeroyPorkins

25 күн бұрын

@@BreinGames Zombicide

@BreinGames

25 күн бұрын

@@LeeroyPorkins that made even less cents

Mythic nos vio la cara a todos, con su campaña, con su pago de rescate que MUCHOS weyes apoyaron y justificaron! Ojala asi fuera todo en la vida! hahaha Desde aqui les mando un saludo fraternal a la progenitora de TODOS los involucrados en el juego de 6:Siege... TODOS! Junto con un boletito al rancho de mi presidente tambien hahahaha cabrownes!! Saludos!!

Most of the people getting the Mythic sale isn't going to see their game lol. IIRC that's what the case with their latest DD sale as well

Any news about wave 2 Darkest dungeon?

@morgaknightgames

25 күн бұрын

Nada. I did eventually hear back from Amanda about reducing my pledge for wave 2 so now in theory I'll get wave 2 without having to pay additional shipping as the cost of the removed expansion covered it. Lots of in theory in that statement as they actually need to produce and deliver wave 2, and I'm not holding my breath.

@ghostwraith119

25 күн бұрын

@@morgaknightgames Did you pay ransom for wave2?

@morgaknightgames

25 күн бұрын

@@ghostwraith119Not exactly. As I said, I reduced my pledge for wave 2 and that covered the difference.

Do you think the Mythic Games sales revenue will help fund outstanding projects... or just "keep the lights on" and move out "deadstock"? I guess I am not that hopeful for delivering second wave Darkest Dungeon. Alas..

How is anyone still backing on kickstarter? Has anyone stopped to ponder why these games are several hundred dollars? Are they really getting to the table? Plus the incidents of non-delivery and scams are getting worse and worse.

ive said this many times. backers ARE NOT valued as they should be. theyre simply not. need proof? every company tells you how theyre different because they value you. how they will be the ones to appreciate your business and faith. not that other company, them. theyre saying the quiet part out loud. they know how much cheaper they sell these games to retailers. they know how much theyll make on their webstore. they know its marketing bs. only the smallest teams really appreciate it, and theyre likely not in a position to truly show it. these companies with teams of artists, marketers, designers, managers, and videos showing them off at the end of campaigns......arent broke. backers are mostly foolish. their favorite companies are likely the worst offenders in terms of exploiting their fans for max profit while offering huge discounts to other companies who also want in on profiting from your business. thats how thankful and appreciative they really are. when you can very often get your game cheaper, sooner, and without risk from a 3rd party than by directly supporting the creation of the game, it kind of outlines the severity of the problem. numbers dont lie.

@TheKingofAverage

20 күн бұрын

Well put Mike! Of course there's a bit more nuance to it than this, but by and large you're right.

Big fan mate, not sure how I feel about you mentioning mythic sale. Even though its cheap, it just feels like your promoting Mythic when they shouldn't get any airtime.

Any DD carton boys hanging out?

Being upset that a reprint is cheaper is like having paid off your student loans and being upset about student loan forgiveness - now if the initial retail launch is cheaper that's another thing entirely.