The Shelby guys are cringing because the VIN and Shelby tag are on another Mustang.

@dwindlefoddl7225

2 жыл бұрын

You are right.!°

@rascol11

2 жыл бұрын

Correct

@VegasRT500

Жыл бұрын

Any proof of your claim that the VIN and Shelby tag are on another Mustang at all? To my knowledge the Shelby serial number they claim the car is has not been found yet.

Invite Dennis and his people on your show to make a discussion/interview video! It would be fascinating! He just put up another video Friday on something for you to video react to. I just left you another comment on your latest video.

@stevin47

2 жыл бұрын

they're way outta this kids league

@VegasRT500

Жыл бұрын

@@stevin47 Concerning money yes but that doesnt mean they are correct about the history of the car or it being a Shelby at all.

I think if it was done in the day and has legit factory parts, it's as rare as an unmodified Shelby. People lose sight that these were purpose built race cars.

Hard to judge a car by looking at a video Dennis is the one risking his money and is willing to put it out there for others to help confirm or deny. I can understand Shelby owners not wanting it to be real

I loved that you opened this can of worms, I had many doubts when I watched Dennis’s video. But the guy is super smart about Mustangs so I was thinking he would know. Hopefully Dennis has a open mind and can listen to reason. Thank You , I truly love your work.

I'm so glad to see you made a video on this car. I know you was the guy to contact. Please if dig up anything about this car keep us posted.

Ok, I’ve watched the Coffee Walk video, read the Motor Trend article and have owned a 67 Shelby for over 40 years. Here are some of my thoughts. Agree wholeheartedly about the “FX” stuff, not correct for 69…and yes, no IHRA in 69. According to MT article, SAAC 67 Shelby registrar Dave Mathews inspected car and said it’s a Shelby. If Mathews said Shelby, then I trust it’s a Shelby. Tilt front glass is not molded after Shelby but stock Mustang (grill opening is stock Mustang, and hood and headlight buckets are not extended like Shelby). This is just an aftermarket piece as sold in car magazines. This suggests to me more of an amateur build. Cut off at cowl, floor altered, and steering changed. Maybe was a wreck. Car was missing Shelby fiberglass upper and lower side scoops so guys who cleaned off paint likely added those including that pinned set up on lower side scoops (brake scoops)…NO reason for pins, not like they need to be pulled on and off with any regularity. Plus no pins in MT photos (scoops are absent). These guys may have added. Also looks like these guys stuck Shelby grill and inboard high beams into this grill…doesn’t fit because of stock Mustang shape is different. Guy says wired for lights in upper scoops, OK but then that would be an early, first 200 car not 1444….and then upper scoops would not be original otherwise the lights would be there. Confusing about rollbar IN Collin’s video BUT they suggest bracing extending back as can be seen from hole for lower side scoop, not just to floor and roof. Early cars had additional bracing to fender tubs, so again this would not support this being 1444. This is stuff Mathews would have looked at, snubbers on leaf springs too. So again, IF Mathews says Shelby, then I trust it is a Shelby. So looks to me like a real Shelby but maybe an early car NOT 1444 that was converted to a race car by some hot rodders, maybe from a wreck. Need photos of car actually on track to give it special value , otherwise just a butchered car.

@borismcfinnigan3430

2 жыл бұрын

If the shelby expert has anything to gain then of course he would say it is a shelby. fact is that there is no way that anyone is ever going to know for sure.

Much respect, always enjoy watching your videos. Brings back a lot of memories. I use to own a 49 Anglia named Classical gas, running originally a blown 426 hemi, when I owned It had 468 on methanol with a clutch turbo. Had a 38 Fiat Topolino named Saturday night fever, bought it as a roller, ran a 468 turbo 400.and last a 55 Chevy 2 dr hardtop built by blair's speed shop in 1962, called SoCal pile driver. Had a torsion bar tube axle and front frame clip, originally a nailhead, then a 427, and finally a 301 with a 4 spd, with a 56 Pontiac rear. Sure miss that car... Anyway, just wanted to say thank you.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing Michael! Sounds like you've had some killer stuff! Thank you for watching!

I trust Dennis had some prior intel before he pulled a trailer up there and bought the car. Dennis isn’t a noob. I guess it is possible if the car was cheap enough he could gamble, but Dennis is a pretty calculated car buyer.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, and he knows Shelbys pretty well. I think he took a gamble based on the cool factor of this car, but he's very smart when it comes to this stuff.

the stated santioning body in the video was IHRA, or AHRA, there were also ADRA sanctioned tracks in the chicago area. this car being a NHRA car was never mentioned. on the roll cage they stated that it was an original Shelby SCCA cage, and Dennis agreed.

Dennis mentioned the engine set back. Drag racing allowed a 10 percent and this was much more than that.

That is why I wrote a comment here and e-mailed you. I know you really love digging up research on classic drag cars and their history and that you just want the story of the car to be told for all to remember and enjoy. Plus with the unique people you meet in the drag racing collective surely someone will know something and then you will piece together the rest. Thanks for posting and I am glad I could bring this to your attention. Loved the video! PS get that Monza back on the track and race it!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for reaching out about this! I love a good challenge...let's hope I can help them dig up some details on this car's history.

@wingerfan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder I know you are the man for the challenge!!!

Interesting video mate. This story reminds me of the Silverstone Jaguar revival story. I am going from memory here, been out of the classic car game for 20 years now, but I think it was the 'D and not the C type'. But essentially Jaguar invited ALL classic Jaguar owners for a free heritage weekend at the track, but if my memory serves me correctly twelve more 'D types' turned up than were actually manufactured! You know how it goes, a car gets wrecked then that front-end becomes separated then 20 years later it gets 'restored' and rolls once again. Because when I heard that the i.d. plate was missing I just assumed someone had saved a wrecked body and plopped it on a Hot Rod! Which let's be honest, we should be grateful for! No disrespect here... Because it is still a Shelby just as technically making two 'D types' out of one is possible, and they are both 'technically' Jaguars. But back in the 90's when I built a few cars, in England, a car required original running-gear to be allowed to keep its original number-plate, but that is an easy fix. Just giving the guy from the garage 24 Heineken solved that problem. I restore medieval armour for a living, and trust me.... EXACTLY the same game is being played in this line of work! The dilemma being... how much of the original do we need to call a piece a classic/an antique? Best wishes from an Englishman in a French forest. ⚒️⚔️🌞

Thanks for the chat about this car that Dennis purchased. I thought as I was watching the same thing about the paint,but thought Dennis knows the game. I'm glad your on this quest for the absolute truth! I would think there would be photos of this car at a track in somebody's collection 🤔

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, every old drag car has history, it's just a matter of tracking it down. The previous owner of the car did a good job of documenting the Shelby pieces, but my goal is to track down the racing history.

@phatlaz1974

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe like you said DC is super experienced on Shelby stuff snd did do a video about identifying then . So maybe he has done some research and maybe knows more than he has let on and we’ll just have to wait and see. First thing I’d be doing is trying to track down part sellers or anyone who knows anything about this car I. The day before I’d buy it. Especially for a premium. So I’m just gonna wait see if my hunch is right.

@yamaha226

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder Dennis also likes views nowadays to since he got a taste of the bright lights, and this would sure get him the views.

Awesome perspective and information on this car. I’m quite glad you’re on the case and look forward to any updates you come up with, I’d prefer hearing the cars story from you to be totally honest.

I thought of you as soon as Dennis put his video up, thanks for this video, love this stuff!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Kevin, I love a good challenge!

Thank you for covering this, something about that car and the story seemed a bit off. I love your channel and the history of these cool cars that you share, thanks.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Carl, I'll dig around and see what I can come up with.

I am 75 years old. The racecar were new when I was a teenager. Enjoy your channels. Oh ya, I am still working. My daily driver is a V8 Supercharge.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thanks for watching Ernie!

When I watched Dennis's video and you were the first guy I thought of for any history on this Mustang. Is it possible also it may have been a test car, crusher car not ever to be on the road. A buddy's Grandparents had two shelby drag cars in around 68 - 69. Cal Automotive you probably heard of and raced at Lions. Not this car for one of them. From pictures there's sat higher. Can't wait to see what you find on it. Great channel!!

When I watched the original video, the 1st guy I thought of was you. I'm glad to see you watched the video and are looking into this car. 2nd thing I thought of was how the hell did they get the black primer off and all the white and decals looks so good. But what do I know. Can't wait to see what you dig up.

Sorta off topic, sorta not. Good call on showing off your coffee mug. I bought one right then and there. It arrived today and it's great. Love that it has printing on both sides. It's a good, sturdy cup. Solid deal from a solid channel. Thanks!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!!

Tim, some details I know from my road racing background: The side scoops with hood pins are not factory to my knowledge. They were functional rear brake scoops of course and the hose looked period. Pool noodle type padding didn’t come out till the early 80’s. I don’t remember seeing it till 1983 or so. It deteriorates rapidly, so much so that as you know it’s no longer legal for any legit sanctioning body. Everyone requires SFI or FIA spec padding and have for at least 15 years. My question is why would you leave rear brake ducts on a drag race car when you don’t need brake cooling? The injection was a non-issue for me as again we both know with some work you could buy a ‘69 dated inject system. On the flip side blue plexiglass windows were a 60’s, maybe 70’s thing. I don’t recall seeing that on drag cars we’d see at Mid America Raceway in Wentzville, MO in the 80’s. Didn’t rules outlaw windows that weren’t clear at some point? The SCCA did in the early 80’s as some were using black to limit visibility through their car which was thought at the time to be a safety issue in traffic on track. I know I’m mixing drag and road racing a bit but it seems to apply given these Shelby’s were predominantly road race cars and the brake ducts scream road racing. Good work on this one!

@user-neo71665

2 жыл бұрын

The guys selling it said they put the pool noodles on the cage because they planned on getting it street legal and driving it.

@blazerteam

2 жыл бұрын

The reason the rear brake scoops are modified,could be that it was road raced before being wrecked and modified into a drag car

@levanblevins5401

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed your comments .read about how jack loftus ford was one of the largest shelby dealers . And sold maney that were raced in scca in the mid 60s .whitch supports youe theory. I do rember when working at a dealership in the mid 80s a car was damaged on a test drive .the dealer had to send serial numbers back to factory for insurance to pay .some one could have cut the bad away an bult a drag car out of whats left , the projects got set a side an forgoten I do hope the best for mr collins

@bryancohn9406

2 жыл бұрын

@@blazerteam possibly but the pin inside the leading edge of the scoop ruins the airflow substantially. Even in that era mechanics understood basic aerodynamics such as this, or one would think. It’s very odd as the pins are not original, I’ve never seen them before on a GT350 race car..

@bstro2212

2 жыл бұрын

@@levanblevins5401 spell check is your friend

Good video and idea. Any more info collected will be valuable. The guys who sold the car to Dennis seemed sincere enough. Dennis may be rolling the dice here, but I doubt it. Not his first rodeo, no pun intended.

Possibilities are endless we old car guys can come up with. But deffently a great mystery. Great topics to chew on.

Back in 72 ,my neighbor wrecked his 68 shelby bad rollover. He put the motor & trans in his 66 ford P-U his work truck. The Shelby sat behind his garage for years. His son used to sneak the truck out on Saturday nights when his parents were passed out. The Shelby was just gone one day. Back then it was just another old carin an overgrown backyard. Everybody had older muscle cars. My mom had a 65 2+2 ,dad had a 64 327, 4spd Vette, I had a orange sting ray, 5spd, a slick, and a 3 foot sissy bar!!!

No tags or ID make it alot harder to track. If someone who made the chassis comes forward might lead into an answer. But thanks for showing us this mustang, it's still very cool. 👍🇦🇺

I really appreciate you doing this video. I have alot of respect for Dennis Collins and his team. If I'm right about Dennis, he will welcome the truth as well. I was amazed to see this car on his channel. I have no idea whether it's real or not. The one thing I do believe is that someone, somewhere has pictures of it racing if it's real. Someone would have been proud of it I believe. But again, I have no idea. I hope guys like you and Dennis keep saving these cars regardless of whether they are priceless or not. That car has history regardless. As always great job!!!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Keith! I'm hopeful that we can find some history on this thing. What a great car!

@FredsRandomFinds

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder Posted a reply to this but it seems KZread has hidden it in the spam filter or deleted it because of a link I added? But the car seems to have been in Hotrod magazine around 2019? Mentions it being an A/fx can then being converted to B/fx Iirc?

Love your perspective on this and your channel. Another thing I thought was wierd was they said the iconic shelby tail panel was replaced with sheet metal and buick tail lights or something like that, why in the world would anyone not keep the shelby tail lights and panel. Just thought that was wierd.

I don't know what kind of paint the black was but if it's rattle can it is easily removed with lacquer thinner and a rag, at least the modern stuff is. I've bought several 3-wheelers that had spray paint on the plastic which almost serves as a preservative leaving behind some nice shiny plastic rather than the flakey white stuff that's just been left in the sun to dry out and age.

In the 60’s we had a drag strip in Kansas City, Missouri called KCIR (Kansas City International Raceway). It was an AHRA (American Hotrod Association) sanctioned track. I know their classes were somewhat different than NHRA.

In 67/68 there were some FXers still running exhibition on smaller tracks. Also, some of the bigger names that switched to plastic floppers still took their older FXers with them in tow. I have a pic of the 68 mini charger sitting in the shop at Grand Spaulding Dodge, right behind it is the 65 A/FX dodge wearing new paint. That being said, almost everything was plastic floppers come 68/69.

Tommy, I bought a '71 Honda Z50 that had been spray bombed blue. My intent was to strip it and repaint it like the factory. I removed the tank badges and was surprised to see the factory paint under the spray bomb blue. I LOVE patina and originality. So, having heard of midyear Corvette owners stripping an entire car with a razor blade (I know you own one, and I have owned two) I started the same with my little Honda. The spray paint was easy to flake and peel off with the razor blade. Then a couple of coats of primer that I removed very carefully with lacquer thinner. Then, factory original paint!!! They didn't strip it or sand it. Just primed and spray bombed blue over the factory paint. I was able to polish and wind up with a survivor quality Z50. I have pics of the process on my FB page. So, I think it is legit to carefully remove any topcoat and find decent paint sometimes. Now, does all Chev. or GM have the VIN # stamped on the frames? I know the Corvettes do. Is that the same for Fords? Was there a hidden stamped VIN on the frame for them?

There has to be photos and videos of this very unique car somewhere I know in your videos you always come up with a photograph of the car you are highlighting

BTW. Love your channel. And love the fact you have fondness for us old guys and the greatest days of drag racing

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Todd! I enjoy what I do, and hope to keep on doing it for years to come. Thank you for watching!

@jeffreynolds3848

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd Nash - that’s so sweet!

I agree 100% about that car. The only reason I can think they would need access be able to clean the rubber out once it’s built up but I’m not sure why it would be a hood pin...

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, still scratching my head on that one. It definitely looks cool though.

I've spent my whole life in the Chicago area and have been to US 30 countless times from the mid 70's till it was closed down. I was watching street racing in the area since I was 12. If you've experienced this era in Chicago then you know the history of this car will be very shady !!!! That being said, I'm dying to find out the real story behind this car. My money is on that it was stolen and turned into a race car by some shady fellow that got thrown into Jail and the car was hidden away from the authorities. That is why it was rattle can painted black. In Chicago that's what's considered a great history.

@charleswaynewright2042

2 жыл бұрын

Could be you could steal these cars with a piece of wire but what everyone forgets nobody thought these cars would one day bring the kind of cash the bring today a man I know bought 50 at a auction in Darlington SC they were hurts cars and hurts ran them through 1 after the other until they were gone and the last one in line was damn near free

@charleswaynewright2042

2 жыл бұрын

If this car was stolen taking the shelby badges off dont mean sh.t this car has numbers all over and you can bet your ass Dennis knew more about this car than was revealed on that tape there are numbers in the original serial number that identifies disignation while on the assembly line if it will be a 6 or 8 plain jane or GT or headed to Carroll shelby if it turns out to be Jim Morrison's long lost shelby ding ding ding ding

@thomasaiken7249

2 жыл бұрын

I'm from Chicago area myself, Burbank, then Lansing, now, of all places, Hobart, IN, where US30 was, and I agree. Seen MANY instances of cars being hid and whatnot that way.

@allanbohanan3762

2 жыл бұрын

@@charleswaynewright2042 exactly plus you could tell he was way to excited about this car and kept mentioning how much he looked into the car for it to not be something great one way or another

@wrongwayroger2519

Жыл бұрын

It's a real Shelby but , It eas serviced at a dealership and a "porter" took it for a joy ride and yep you guessed it he wercked it !!! The dealer couldn't get another of these cause this was a 1 of 29 , it was a bonnafid Shelby ordered by a guy who worked for a guy who knew Carroll personally in Hawaii (where he worked) he went to SanJose and got it !!! The dealer couldn't get another so he paid the guy for it and turned it into this race car !!! Kool story I heard/saw it on Beer walk #2 of Richard Rollins yrube video !!!

If it was just laqure black primer shot over a car that wasn't preped. You can wipe it off with lagure thinner and a rag. The surface has to be preped for primer to stick. If you go buy rattle can primer. Spray it on your car. You can wipe it off. In the 70s 80s it was common for guys to put a car in primer. " oh I'm gonna have it painted " then after few months of weather and washes. The primer actually leaves. The black thats on that car is not a matt finish or a paint. And as for why would you cut up a Shelby. Hmmmm because in 1969 you could replace that car for about 2500 bucks. I had 66 red on red gt fastback ( the poor man Shelby.) 289 hi po. 4 speed. Single hoop roll bar. My dad bought in 68. At 16 in 1979 I traded it for 70 442 who would have known. Lol. Even in 79 to early 80s we could buy 69 camaro. 70 chevelle for nothing. I have had lots of cars since then. Guys would order muscle cars out of Vietnam. Just as my dad did. Then family. The gas crunch in 76 -77. Had to sell them. And here are bunch of teen agers with no bills and money in our pockets. Lol. From my first car in 79 till my oldest was born in 85 ( my wife actually went into labor at street race. ) went to hospital in 70 chevelle 396 tunnel ram 2 4s. Had just changed from 4 speed to 400 auto. M&h race masters and open headers. ( how would like to be the guy at emergency entrance when that rolled up. Lol ) we could buy bodies out of junk yard for 500 bucks all day long. Sorry. Lol so yea you could cut up real Shelby and not think bout it. We cut up camaros to build all out drag cars never gave it a thought. Lol.

@jerrytee2688

2 жыл бұрын

$2500 was a lot of fuckin' money in 1969. Matter of fact if you look up Ford's 1969 price list you'll notice the "base price" for most models was around $2600.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Even if the rattle can paint wiped off, I still don't think that it would've had flawless, amazing patina underneath. Just my opinion though. I've done plenty of paint stripping with various chemicals and materials, and it rarely comes out that clean.

@ttdolson1

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder How about you use some integrity and talk to Chris at Detroit Engineering ? You seem to be stoking the fire of B.S. claims ? Is this for you to gain views?

@luish777

2 жыл бұрын

You are exactly correct sir

Great video and mentioning US30 as being an AHRA track; I soent quite a lot of time there as a youngster in the 70s and 80s; I'm still a region rat and you can still drive down the old track. We definitely had some really weird creations run down 30 😅 I never saw that car there but then again I probably don't remember 3/4s of what ran there.

Idk too much about paint on cars but just wondering how do u remove a layer of paint without ruining the paint underneath it?? And able to take top layer off and still have a nice patina and original paint still on the car? Did they just paint over original paint back in the days without prepping or sanding the old paint?

Great video! Asking the questions that need to be asked. Just to add to the haystack-how about the infamous train derailment where 13[or 14?] 1967 Shelbys were damaged,all supposed to have I.D. except one?Removal of the tags would have been something possible if it was scrapped?

Great story and great knowledge. Its a great looking car and half the fun is the investigation (as its not me risking money on it!)

When I saw this video with Dennis my first thought was COOL, But then I saw the flat black paint on it and they wiped it off not falling for that one, Like you say the dates on the fuel injection things just do not add up to me. There has to be some pics around of that car racing...it still is a neat car what ever they find out...

I only watched Dennis video once, and may be wrong. It sounded to me like the door jams had the stripes. I believe the striping was added back. I wouldn't doubt that the patina could look fake by sanding the black off to get back to the white. That would all the edges and thin spots perfectly to make it appear too perfect.

@matthewdeibert3000

2 жыл бұрын

The guy selling said “ it has no rubber inside the quarter panels” Thad the odd thing for me. I wouldn’t think you could clean all that up?

@blazerteam

2 жыл бұрын

They said in the video that it may have been built too late for its class to be used At a track

They said on the video they buffed the black paint off and applied the blue stripes themselves. That's why they were trying to show dennis the doorjams where they thought evidence of original stripes were present. But I could't see it in the video.

The red flag to me was the seller, he sure was jacked up & was talking a lot & really trying to sell the car. I don't know if he was really trying to convince himself more about the car or to Dennis. He was real smooth talking used car salesman. "A good negotiation is when both sides feel like they got screwed". 🤣

@varise4216

2 жыл бұрын

I know Shelby’s had the vin tag in front of the shock tower drivers side, with all that gone I understand vin would be gone, they said transmission was from a Shelby 3 numbers from this build date, why hasn’t anyone contacted that car owner and see which tranny he’s got ? When I did the research on my car , all the paperwork from the state of Missouri said title only for the 3 owners of mine , it was always a drag car , in 15 years it amassed 10,972 miles as shown by the state on title transfer, passenger side floor was perfect except for fire extinguisher and bracket, drivers side had 20 different holes drilled to move fiberglass seat around, factory hole for 4 speed was butchered up( still there ) and a clutch hydro transmission was in stalled and raced, with second owner his wife ended up with the car under powder puff racing at MAR raceway in the early 70’s all women class, Car Colors mine was red from factory made it 2 years then blue next year black next year yellow stayed yellow for 7 years , car was gutted changed to stock driveline and sold 4 months later motor thru a rod and I bought it owned it almost 40 years purchased original motor and rear end 4 speed was gone so I bought same casting and date coded ( months early ) , Sorry back to the mustang, Shelby says if you have paperwork they’ll print a new vin, without title or paperwork showing original vin on it when it was transformed into race car they’ll never get anything from Shelby, I agree with you at one time was probably a Shelby that was wrecked in 67 or 68 and that’s why it was bought and changed into a race car in 1969, at insurance yards you just got bills of sale and titles went to the state to be destroyed, if the car was rebuilt factory specs state wouldn’t release original title and vin they would issue a state vin beginning in ILL and then sequence numbers the year wouldn’t be 1967 anymore it would be the date car was rebuilt, In Missouri if you rebuilt a 1957 Chevy with no title this year and took it with a highway patrol office they inspect it and issue title application it will say 2022 rebuilt salvage car not 1957, hope it helps on some laws about rebuilt salvage cars

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

@v dean la Valle thank you for sharing. Love that history!

@edwinyoung2719

2 жыл бұрын

William Poe the guy was a real RR eh ?

@saginawdan

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, my thought was...Why was he so anxious to sell this car?

I was hoping to see a video from you on this car. I have a lot of questions and it's good to see I'm not the only one.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching, hopefully I can dig up some history on this thing!

@mjc8248

2 жыл бұрын

I have my own ideas on the car but I'm really looking forward to seeing what you find. Growing up around 60s and 70s cars in the 80s with a family that dealt in these cars I've seen it all and there are a lot of red flags for me. EDIT - The 32min mark talking about the taillight panel is what really piqued my interest. If you're going through the trouble of turning a Shelby into a drag car why change the most recognizable part of the car?

The only reason I could think of as to why those rear brake scoops were pinned on is for a quick, convenient way to show skeptics that the rear Shelby added brake ducts are present and correct, but of course they can be faked too, just like patina .

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely a good thought, but I definitely wouldn't want to drill a hole in a factory Shelby piece.

I'm curious about the intake, how do we know it wasn't running dual quads (possibly) and the owner decided to try something else after a year or so?

@charleswaynewright2042

2 жыл бұрын

He sure didn't give a rats ass about keeping the car original back then

@adventuresofjim2775

2 жыл бұрын

The car didn't even have an engine in it when it was found, let alone the fuel injection.

It's quite possible that it's a real Shelby. They weren't worth much in '68/'69, I remember seeing an ad from a southern Ford/Shelby dealer from '68 that had a picture of a bunch of new '67s on a dirt lot that they were selling for barely more than a regular '68 Mustang. This car has a standard looking Mustang front end on it, fiberglass so that makes sense, but the Shelbys had deeper headlight buckets and header panel, and different hood and grill opening. As it appears to have had the remaining rear Shelby parts removed for quite some time, it just looked like a standard '67 Mustang fastback, and that may have camouflaged it from the collector crowd. The springs, scoop hardware, and other Shelby bits could have been added at any time over the last 55 years, so without any numbers, it could be almost anything; even a T code six cylinder car.

If you used enamel reducer to wipe off the flat black I am not sure if it would affect the whit lacquer underneath????

I want to know more about the history of this Carswell???. The car looks really interesting. I agree with you it could have been wrecked or stolen. Please let's keep this story alive. Thank you and God bless

There is a shot when they show the black paint scraped off where you can see the bottom rocker line of the car was blue, with white on top. Motortrend had short story on car in Sept of 2019. They mention car was repainted to get that blue on bottom. Car has white paint there now.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been studying those pictures in the Motortrend article, trying to figure out some details.

I had a `68 Shelby many years ago... the roll bar padding wasn't like that thick, soft foam tube stuff you buy in the big box stores. To the best of my memory, it was thinner and much stiffer; also it seemed to be molded on like they dipped the whole hoop in hot plastic.

@cheemo1957

2 жыл бұрын

they say they put on the foam on roll cage

Funny thing, I just had a memory from when I was a Kid, the Neighbor used to put a kind of Primer on His cars, to protect them in Storage

Cool topic ! I do watch coffee walk and think Dennis is a car savant of some sorts lol... i watch your videos too ... finding out where and how a car came to be is interesting in my opinion weather its stock original or other... keep up the great vids and i wanted to ask about the car behind you ? Looks like a 64 malibu 4dr? Is there a vid on it ? I have a 64 2. dr and my brother and i have had several... love the midnight blue color

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Good eye, it's a 1964 Malibu four door. Here's the video on it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y5V2x6Vtl5TIec4.html

@rixkafer56

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder thanks👍

My thoughts as of this moment are that some of this car may be a Shelby, probably from a wreck or theft. You are right, alot does not add up, lots of mystery on this one. I have my doubts that this car was even drag raced, but I could be wrong. Maybe someone from Shelby America could shed some light on this cool mystery car?

Dennis is on the ball and will figure it out he has the money and time and knowledge and a team of people that are knowledgeable

Great job in telling us more about this car. Thank you.

@THROTTLEPOWER

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I agree Ernie!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Ernie, I'm hoping I can uncover some history on this thing!

Love your vedios . Great to hear from people from home area. Sat night was always at brainerd optimist drag strip .earlier 80 s. The shelby's history might be linked to scca type racing in Chicago area in the mid 60s especially, when one of people in the first vedio said he thought car might have ben wrecked. I think I rember this type of car ran at Talladega, in 69 and 70 on the road course. This type of racing was real popular in the north. Some one might of tried to swap it over to drag racing especially with the ductwork and that particular roll cage..

@blazerteam

2 жыл бұрын

Functional brake ducts,could have been added if it was used in road racing

wouldnt worry about the roll cage padding. I put cheap padding on mine after I bashed my head a few times through the build. it will get the correct stuff when it goes racing.

I will say that I bought a 1966 VW bug that was single stage yellow. I was able to use some brake parts cleaner and wipe the yellow off and it was patina gulf blue underneath. I left it and drove it that way.

@justinbrown3599

2 жыл бұрын

As a custom painter for many years i agree with you

Very interesting! Hopefully somebody has more information about this car. 👍 I'd like to know as well.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping I can track down some info!

I should have thought that car looked more like a gasser class car than any type of an FX class , I was at US30 almost every sunday from 69 to 75 my dad had a 69 road runner he bought new and raced most every sunday and some Wednesday nights and I don't remember seeing that car out there ever but that doesn't mean it wasn't, but it's still a pretty cool car and i whould like to see it finished and running to see what kind of times it can turn.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

That must've been awesome...I've heard a lot of stories about US30. Glad you got to experience that!

Very thoughtful commentary my friend. I did watch Dennis' video (he finds some really good cars for sure!) I would think this car was wrecked in the front, then turned into a drag car. I definitely like the way you look at all the shots in the video and analyze them. I watched Dennis' video and just said "That's awesome!!!" Thanks for posting this.. I subscribed after taking a look at your channel.. Nice job DMAX

Not hard at all to believe at all that the black paint would was of. If you know your paint skills this can be done a couple different ways. No doubt you would have been able to see the stripes / GT 350 call outs on close inspection on that cheap black primer. And that paint may have been to disguise it as a another old mustang sitting in back corner of some guys shed. All the same good looking old ford with some solid looking nostalgia gear goin on there. Look forward to the next video. 🤙

Yeah, that patina was the first thing that I noticed being too perfect, As a paint guy at a shop here in England I get asked to do this all the time... It's just too perfect for having "wiped the paint off"... now I'm reading everywhere that they are saying this is the missing #1444 not seen since 67 and it had a flip front from Ron Pellegrini.... The story is just too perfect to be true...

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping I can track down some more info on it.

I'm skeptical here! 1. the paint, how is it the aftermarket doors and front clip are the same color and patina as the back original shell? 2.the firewall looks super fresh so does the roll bar as you can see clean metal between the foam gaps. 3. fresh blue small block with period NOS parts 4. super cool wheels and tires added "just because" 5. is it my eyes or does the picture of the black car with a spot cleared look like more bare metal than Wimbledon White. Probably better to pursue what Shelby it actually was than what local drag strip this one possibly speed down most likely as a homegrown back more likely in the 70s/80's . IMO it's a real Shelby body with a lot of cool "add-on's" and "wouldn't it be cool if's" I'm not really thinking the seller is trying to fool the buyer, but both parties wishing it was something the current state of the car should/could be. Do I love this car YES! would I pay top dollar for this car NO! Do I hope some "Legit" information comes out proving me completely wrong in my thinking YES!YES!YES!

There was a statement from Coffee walk on a few of your statement The guys that first went to get the car stated there various big blocks and they actually had to get the parts out of the dumpster to assemble even the hillborn injectors. The car was pressure washed and the paint came off, the padding was put on at thier shop to protect them from crashes, you might want to go back and listen to podcast again

GREAT REVIEW, I too had these same questions, And thought it may have been in a crash And given new life as a drag car put together With parts they could find. About it being that lost Shelby 1444 ??? Just my 2 cents

there's a discussion about this car on the US30 Dragstrip Indiana facebook page. Lots of old timers there , including a guy who supposedly once owned this car.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

I spoke with one of the previous owners and will continue to research this car to get as much history as possible.

Without watching the Dennis Collins video again what was the proposed reason for the missing Vin # and title etc.on this car? That and the fresh roll bar wrap had me scratching my head over this deal.Good job on your observations so far.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

The missing VIN is due to the entire front of the car being cut off and rebuilt with the straight front axle, flip front end, etc. Typical race car stuff, but not typical for a Shelby to undergo this type of build.

@joesprague1464

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder Yes,the fact that it's being sold as a Shelby with no Vin # makes the difference, that's what seemed odd to me.All the points you brought up leave me even less convinced.

@jeffreynolds3848

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder - yes, agree with all you say in all your comments; not typical and unusual. HRH, I think it’s great that you’ve got the Hot Rod & Dragster community animated about this car at least as much as Dennis has the Mustang & Shelby crowd...!

Wasn't the tail pan removed also? They said something about putting the original lights back in it?

Hey - you take out the 6 banger - you drop a v8 into the puppy - glue on a couple of scoops - remove the vin tag - and now your $800 Rambler has become a $100,000 Shelby. Now that's awesome :)

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Lol sounds like a good idea!

I live in Indiana close to the old US 30 Drag strip. There is a US 30 Drag strip Facebook page so maybe you start there also there is a speed shop in schererville Indiana called Whites Pit Stop so maybe this can help you and Dennis Collins.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, I've been digging around on the US 30 Facebook group and will continue to investigate.

@cavemangarage

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder a friend unearthed that car a year or so ago and it wasn't white either..

@kennethclauson2317

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder Hope this helps. Thanks for replying on my comment. Here in Northwest Indiana there is a lot of content on US 30 Dragstrip.

You forgot to mention the front windsheild that was replaced and the original plexiglass was in the back seat and ff/x looked to new. The black paint was wiped off. How? The original stripes and paint not damaged! Back in the 70's and 80's where i grew up there were muscle cars parked on the street 69 roadrunner a 67 gto a 71 mach 1 a 71 camero...64 galaxy so what I am trying to say is it was not a big deal to cut up a shelby back then or any other muscle car. Great video great insight on this shelby.

The one thing he missed from the original video of Dennis Collins is the 2 gentemen that had the car said the roll bar was not covered when they purchased it, and sent pictures pf the roll bar to the Shelby group to confirm it's how Shelby built there roll bars.

Excellent video! The side scoops are bolted on from the factory. The pins ARE NOT original, and have no idea what they’d want them removable. In fact, for ‘67, the brake scoops didn’t receive ducting to the rears like the ‘65 Shelbys. As far as the roll bar, they came with a single hoop, that was covered in rubber. Shelby did not put cages in these things from the factory, so I don’t know what they were talking about with the “original welds”. I agree with you on the paint…very suspect!

Uncle Tony's good buddy Dallas Brown is the current owner of the AHRA. He may be able to help with the classification thing.

HELL Yea man u find good car's with even better stories love it man

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tommy!

Hey just watched Denise video and maybe a good way to find it is he raced at dragway 30 but I heard them say it had a metal tail light panel and it had Buick tail lights in so not sure if u got that maybe that will help love the channel man keep it up

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

That's definitely a good detail to consider when I'm looking for old photos of the car. Interesting that they'd take the Shelby taillights out in favor of something else back in the day.

@tommycook9620

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder Right weird for sure

@jeffreynolds3848

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder & @Tommy Cook - all good stuff! I think it’s great to combine your interest & knowledge in this era of drag racing with Dennis’s interest & knowledge in early Shelby Mustangs. I can understand everyone’s difficulty in adjusting to difference between the valuing of all aspects of these cars then and now. Dennis may have a funny laugh, but he is a class act. Dennis will usually reveal his greater knowledge to a seller when examining a car, but I didn’t think Dennis believed it was Shelby #1444, even tho’ he said so. You can’t win them all and Dennis isn’t going to cry about having possibly ‘missed’ this same car @ $8500 at first. Dennis seemed to me to know (or sense) even more about this car than he was letting on to the sellers. I like that Dennis seems to be challenging himself more at this stage of his business & career - and the risks (and rewards) that come along with this approach...

Dennis’s latest video about this car from a few days ago will answer a lot of questions.

It's an insane mystery. AHRA had some funky classes, the engine setback only falls in line with one that this car would never have been competitive in as it sits. It's total confusion. It could have been being built for a specific class that went by the wayside, but hardly a reason to just park it and do nothing, it could have still been modified for another class, sold or traded. It was too new to have nothing done. Unless the unthinkable, like someone died before they could finish it and family couldn't part with it, I do agree with you that it was probably either a wreck, or (to me anyway) most likely stolen. Besides the usual stolen cars off the streets, quite a few of the Hertz Rent-a-racers of the day were rented and never returned. A rent-a-racer Shelby back then went for about $15 a day, you didn't need a credit card, or much of anything to rent cars in the 60's, just lay down a valid drivers license (paper back then, no pics on them, so it didn't even have to be yours), your cash, and drive away. I don't know about others, but I've never gone out of my way to remove pretty much every ID tag or serial number on a race car build. There's really no reason to, if parts they're on go bye-bye they go too, but removing every sign they were there doesn't save any weight, or make you go faster, just more work for no gain. If that flat black came off so easy, it was probably a cheap quick spray bomb job with no prep or sanding, you can take old spray bomb paint off if a finish wasn't prepped with mineral spirits. With as new as it was when it was supposedly built, all the work and expense that went into modifying it, all topped by the cheap flat black paint to mask it's appearance after the fiberglass panels were painted to match the shell, the fact that it stayed hidden for so long, no serial numbers anywhere, never sold or traded, no signs it was ever even raced... I'm leaning in the direction of hot car someone tried to make a racer out of, it didn't work out for some reason, they got too afraid of getting caught to do anything else with it, and just let it collect dust.

I loved the US Smokin' 30 Dragstrip radio commercials on WLS. There are some on KZread.

The show with all the cars in the foothills of N Carolina where the Cosworth Vegas are, that station wagon is a DeSoto if I'm not mistaken

The patina is a interesting question. I don’t think Dennis would have gotten so caught up in the moment that he couldn’t see that being faked. He has played the big money game for too many years too be fooled by that. The brake air ducts are also interesting. I personally wouldn’t go to the effort of installing the duct work on a clone drag car. Why would a guy buy a road race built car and cut it up to drag race it seems to be the real question. The wreck/ stolen idea fits a missing VIN so go ahead and cut it up. If the front was smashed in a wreck it would make sense. This is a super cool mystery car that the story is probably so simple that we will all laugh if it gets figured out.

@tedkennedy9886

2 жыл бұрын

I think the stolen car gets the nod . And.... it stayed local to the area it was stolen . Once the car had to leave the back yard /alley shop to get other mods or turning that Holborn " laguna lean- out " injection the car would be visible to people that were looking for their stolen Shelby. Rattle can black from back in the day could be removed with " easy off " oven cleaner . Hell...... I don't know.....but, come on, Chicago !!!! Dig deep enough and you might find Jimmy Hoffa 😉

@borismcfinnigan3430

2 жыл бұрын

Dennis didnt buy it for amything lther than how it looks. Tje car could be a 100% documented car and even thay wouldnt be a big deal for him money wise

Anyway you look at it, real or fake ,it is a really cool car. Dennis is real knowledgeable guy when it comes to business . By the time the smoke clears, the car is doing what it's supposed to do......get views on KZread. The car will virtually pay for itself, most likely 2 or 3 x over. In my opinion I like the car for what it is. It should be put back in some sort of running and driving machine. Leave it looking just as it is . It's a great conversation piece and would be a blast just cruising it around and sending down the track every now and again. I did recommend on his channel to reach out to this channel for help to decode it secret past history. If anyone can figure out some info it , it's right here!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! It's a cool car regardless of its history. Maybe someday we'll dig up some details on it.

Good job Appreciate you guys being honest

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching Aaron!

Loving all the mysterious skullduggery surrounding this car. Dennis comes across as a solid dude and I put him right up there with Mr leno as a gearhead ambassador. Whatever story is revealed about this car I'm sure Dennis will tell it like it is.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I love the mystery surrounding this car. Such a cool piece and I'm hoping I can dig up some of those old details to help piece its history together.

@therealmotorcyclemichael

2 жыл бұрын

Here it is. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hoiZutamabLbn9Y.html

As I posted on Dennis video White's pit stop in schererville Indiana used to hold a US 30 drag strip reunion car show when covid came around the show was halted, Dave who I believe was the owner of whites hosted the show he had since passed on so I have been told they no longer hold the show anymore but they displayed a lot of old pictures every year and a lot of the old drag races brought their old drag cars out to the show I believe the kids are still operating the business maybe try and contact them some of the old timers are still around I'm sure they know a lot of the people I used to show my cars there I live 5 miles from where the track was but I didn't start going to the middle '70s early 80s never seen the races of the late sixties early seventies so I personally can't place the car good luck on running down the history of this car if you find it or something please keep me informed and definitely post videos thanks for what you're doing the drag racing Hot rod world needs answers for this car

VERY COOL INTERESTING STUFF!

If i remeber correctly the people Dennis bought it from said they found remnants of stripes in the door jam ...then they went and put new rocker stripes on it, they didnt find those stripes under the paint

@ranger14-64

2 жыл бұрын

That is correct. You could see just the tips of the original stripes in the door jams, but the stripes were replaced. I can't wait to see where this mystery goes.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

That is how I understood it when they were talking about the original stripes still being in the door jamb.

It is a super cool car, but I'm with you on the mystery. I remember when what I believe was this car first popped up for sale a year or two ago for $8500. I wish I had jumped on it back then. It's changed hands several times since then I assume, I know it popped up again for 15k more recently if it's the same car.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah same here. Would've been a great buy, even if it was just a regular Mustang. Wish I had jumped on it when it was available.

@jamoshotrod

2 жыл бұрын

I remember the same add, I might have it saved in a screen shot on my phone

Did they come with factory rear discs??

Great vid, thanks for sharing!!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@THROTTLEPOWER

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder 🙂👍

Just came back from watching Dennis's video to make the same comment I made on his channel. Between 1965-75 I probably went to US-30 a hundred times and this car is not remembered by me, not saying it never raced there but it wasn't a regular.

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

It's possible that this car was never raced, but I hope to find some history that proves otherwise.

@indianaslim4971

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder From the lack of decals and lettering it's very possible that it wasn't raced, most cars modified to that extent had some form of decals and lettering, maybe turn your search to show car history.

@indianaslim4971

2 жыл бұрын

@@HotRodHoarder Chicago used to have a big show every year, I believe it was called World of Wheels

I saw the episode! Fascinating Car! well ya got the bone Dog! don't let it Go! Crazy World were living!...It might be a Unicorn!!

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely the only one of its kind. Very cool piece!

When I saw that drag car for the first time. I thought it was assembled out of spare parts, to resemble something that it is not. Too much emphasis on date code, date code, date code... lots of smoke and mirrors. Thanks for your thoughts...

@HotRodHoarder

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching Stephen. There was definitely a lot of date code talk...hopefully we can nail some of its racing history down and be able to tell this car's story.

@TheInfamousHotRodFarm

2 жыл бұрын

When I watched the coffee Walk episode the guys mannerisms are really shady they seem like a kid trying to convince you of something they didn't do... A lot of the parts they swapped and the paint seem done to make you think it's something that it's not.

I started going to the drags in 1966. Nothing I see on this car would have stopped it from running in the appropriate NHRA Gas class in 1969. Probably D gas if it was a 289. These had to appear fairly stock outside other than a 10% engine setback, which this car has. Everything reflects popular mods done by race cars shops for these classes. Possibly some tech inspector required them to provide a more positive attachment for those brake duct scoops so they wouldn't fly off. Personally I have used oven cleaner to wipe off rattle can painted signage from and old van, revealing the old paint patina underneath without damage.

There is definatly some questions here,I'm perplexed by the gearbox out of the next chassis no car,based on the suspected build no🤔

It’s getting good and if it’s not I don’t see denis being at fault. Good stuff brother