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@handlenbizz7625

3 жыл бұрын

154cm is absolutely a joy of a steel inn every sense. And your correct sir it gets sooooo dam sharp

I can easily tell you what the best knife steel is hands down. It’s Adamantium. The only metals that can rival it are Beskar and Vibranium. I’m disappointed that neither made your list.

@noonenaruto2152

2 жыл бұрын

Beskar alloy is made by Chris Beskar of Stavatti Aerospace. Yup…flying cars within 10 yeara

@jtallday31

Жыл бұрын

Only beskar might be steel. Iums aren't steel. They might be added to steel but they have no iron content of their own

@HighlanderNorth1

Жыл бұрын

🚫 The problem with adamantium is the extreme difficulty in sharpening it. They had to cut most of the X-Men movies in half, because it always took Wolverine at least an hour to sharpen his claws for the big battles at the end! Besides, we are talking about _STEELS_ here, not exotic elemental metals from other galaxies! Anyway, my personal choice is the almost indestructible "Krell steel", from the _true historical_ movie, "Forbidden Planet", with a very young Leslie Nielsen.

@joelschmidt887

11 ай бұрын

​@@HighlanderNorth1😂😂

Just for the record this is my favorite knife channel besides Bird and Frankie! Keep up the great work brother! 🇺🇸🔪🤘🏻

I just loving knives in all different steels even if I can't tell much of a difference

I needed this today ! Therapy to listen too while I work ! Thank you MC👍❤

Gotta agree with the older cold steels In CTS-XHP. My recon 1 is a tank and once I started sharpening it I came to appreciate the ease and amazing edge I got on it. Of course I’m a sucker for Maxamet, M390, M4, 20CV and a few others.

I’m such a steel nerd, one of the best vids yet!!! Thank you!!!

I really like this list. 154 CM is one of my favorites because I have more experience with it than other steels, and I know what to expect when I use it.

Have you tried a key-bar or some kind of key organizer before? Metal Complex: knife reviewer by day, high school janitor by night 😄

The knife I abuse the most is 154cm. My Ontario Sk-5. It's for camping/bushcraft, not EDC...But I love it. It sharpens up easily, takes a beating, and hasn't rusted or chipped.

Mckenna Front Flipper 154CM Stonewashed Blade, Antique Brass Handles...Got it yesterday, an awesome little knife!

Became a huge fan of 14c28n this year. Funny how it's on yours, mine and everyone else's new favorite edc steel list...hope to see it more

@cubancigarman2687

Жыл бұрын

Sandvik is awesome especially when it comes to price. I have a kershaw blur, morakniv, and efengrew 5.2 fixed( 38$ after tax, incredible value). I have many other super steel’s I’ve collected ( it’s a sickness I got after getting Covid). Good luck and be safe.

@GibusGang

Жыл бұрын

excellent choice. Im personally a big fan of 154cm or the cpm version. i have a button lock elementum in 14c28n and it's wonderful

Slash ATS-34.... slash CTS-BD4 lol My favorite is K390- it is incredibly tough for a steel thats routinely taken past 65HRC. Spyderco takes it to 64-65 HRC, but a custom maker will do 66-66.5HRC ... I have a fixed blade that Rockwelled @ 66.4 and it gives me noticeable improvement in edge holding over Spyderco's K390, which is fantastic anyways... but the main reason I LOVE K390 is that it seems to hold that ultra high sharpness longer than other steels, and it takes a killer edge at 400 grit and it takes a smoking edge at 8,000 grit and anything in-between. Some steels are alot harder to get hair whittling sharp at certain grits then others... K390 has whittled hair off a fine DMT plate for me and it will whittle off an extra fine, medium extra fine and extra extra fine DMT plate... K390 has seriously impressed me with its performance, its feel and even its looks. (Looks meaning how well it polishes, i.e. mirrored bevel)

Great channel man. I always enjoy watching and listening. Maybe someday I'll get lucky and win one of your giveaways, but that's not why I watch. I love your energy.

Great video, I live about 5 km from the pacific ocean om Vancouver Island, B.C. Canada. I carry a pm2 in Maxamet and a shaman in Rex45 without any issues. I do take care or them, but they are great!!

my cold steel ctsxhp is still my favorite steel. i work in a warehouse and cut cardboard/waffleboard all day and it held up for the better part of a tear till i had to sharpen it and i live near the beach in california and no rust issues. granted i never put it in water but when you live so close to the sea just the air will rust cars

Great subject, luv'd it brother🤙👍👊luvin the knowledge and wisdom that you speak as well as the good vibes✌🤙👍 I have to agree on the maxamet, only sharpened my pm2 once and I have had it atleast a year. I am definitely going to have to try cpm 154 now haha since I have been always a m390/ 20cv/14c28n/d2 kinda guy. 9crmov has been an awsome beater steel on my praxis surprisingly 😀oh no I'm babbling lol. Hava good one brother and thanks again for the content keep on keepn on brother

Agree with your number one MC. Wish more companies used it more. Bought a Kansept main st. just because it was micarta and 154 CM. Second choice will be S35 vn.

I can get CPMS35VN and LC200N insanely sharp with my kit. So these are my favorites.

So what do use to sharpen your knives. I have a wicked edge and love it. I've had it for 3 years now and I've noticed more sharpeners coming out that are similar.

You should try the budget brand, Harnds. They have a number of models, most, if not all, are made of 14C28N. At $30-$35, the Wind is a good one to try.

Can you try a review on some of the Cold Steel pocket swords and maybe their medium variants? It would be really nice because I want to see if they aren't just gimmicks. Thanks.

It's funny how opinions vary. M390 is probably my favorite or at least up there. Maybe it's my imagination but it seems to hold an edge longer than other premium steels I have used and fairly easy to sharpen. D2 is definitely overlooked as a cheap steel. It is very good for a much lower price. Coldsteel and kubey do a great job with aus10 and aus10a. I'd probably put that on my list because of the performance for the price. I have some inexpensive Coldsteel knives made with aus8A and they do a great job treating those have held up great. I might even pick aus8 over d2 because it seems to hold the edge just as long if treated right and it's much easier to sharpen.

Great video I wish more new knives were made in cpm154!

Magnacut might be the new best steel. I mean it should be the best balanced steel

RWL-34. 14C28N. MagnaCut. My 3 favorites!

Cpm magnacut is going to prove to be the BEST knife steel you can get. It’s that good

Fantastic stuff

Big fan of 20cv, but I think Magnacut will be the next best overall steel, cheers ;)

need to try cold steels aus10.i haven't yet but meant to be amazing

I do have to wonder if once Magnacut hits the market if it will upend the list. The preliminary testing of it seems very promising.

I used to use my zt 804 in 20cv more as a pry bar than a actual knife. Love the knife but it didn't hold a edge for ever. I expected to break the tip off years ago. I finally did being dumb and trying to open a frozen sliding door.

CTS-XHP has never done me wrong, great steel.

M4 is probably my favorite, just a shame few makers use it. M390, XHP, K390 also great. I also think Aus10a out of cold steel has shown to be a good budget option, performs similarly, but probably a little worse than my 154CM blades with edge retention.

@davidgarza995

Жыл бұрын

M4 IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOO IT just rust so easily even my benchmade bailoiut rust through the coating

I’m probably gonna get something in Maxamet, then get it DLC coated since I live in a very humid area Or should I just get a little Runt 5 in MagnaCut?

Elmax , every elmax blade I’ve had maintains it’s edge for a long time. Bill’s voice has gone to the goofy side

I'm trying to vary my knives with different steels until I've collected "enough" 🤣🤣🤣 Also, in Phoenix I don't think we have to worry much about corrosion.

My favorite heavy use steel is unnamed stainless

I was just going along casually until Spy27 was grouped with S45V and that is when I burned my house down. Thanks MC.

@JakeLH22

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve read about Spy27 and seen a few “test videos” here on YT and I chose CTS-BD1N over Spy27 on my most recent spyderco purchase because it really didn’t wow me. What have you experienced with it? I might give it a go down the road.

@adrianenciso9277

3 жыл бұрын

@@JakeLH22 Not OP but various testing seems to place it around s30v/s35vn. Toughness and hardness are around s35vn but corrosion resistance is closer to s30v. Overall it’s a good, well balanced mid-range steel. Definitely better than BD1N (especially since BD1N isn’t a powder metallurgy steel).

@JakeLH22

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianenciso9277 mine will be so easy to sharpen though haha!! ✅ I got it cause we’re moving next month and.I wanted a LW, I got the Para 3. Thanks for the feedback. 🤘🏼

Could you please post a link to the Larrin Thomas article?

For me I’m opposite of wanting more stain resisting in a knife but also want that toughness so rt now my favorite steels are lc200n or vanex superclean etc.. with me living on a island rt in the east coast of the Atlantic Ocean and ocean beach being just few miles from my house I def need that confidence in a knife that will hold up to this nasty salt humid air that is always by me. Know just by the cars I’ve owned here last 30 years over the other 20 living little more inland u can see just how fast rust attacks cars that paint chips and just grows from there. Can’t leave any tool not properly oiled etc outside for any time if u want to keep it in good shape we’re I live. Like rust is in the air with that salt. But yes I do love a tough blade steel and got many of em just better Make sure to do ur maintenance on em regularly even if not using em

@timnichol6566

3 жыл бұрын

I live about 5 km from the pacific ocean on Vancouver Island. I carry a pm2 in maxamet and a shaman in rex45. I do also have a spydiechef in lc200n, buT I don't have any issues wit the non stainless ones. Basically just wipe them off after you use them 😀

I think cpm 4v is probably my favorite. Ultra high toughness and edge retention is high up as well. And balanced sharpenability and corosion resistance

@mcsquirgle

3 жыл бұрын

And 3v isnt the most stainless but its definitly stainless enough for most use cases

@jkanecutlery

3 жыл бұрын

Both good ones 👍🏻

Big Brown Bear is out husslin that MagnaCut though.

I thought the old Benchmades in 154 cm were better than the s30v models. Don't know if it's their heat treat but I prefer my old ones.

what's your opinion on Elmax MC?

Absolutely no way to argue with your picks. Anyone who has used your s tier picks would have to rate them the same. I don’t put a lot of stock in the steel a knife is made of, however, unless it is from a manufacturer that really knows how to do it. For example, my Spyderco Tenacious in 8cr13mov just outperforms my Kershaw Link in 20cv in every single category including edge retention. It is also better than my Leek in CPM154. It is not even close to my para3 in S45VN however. I know, tldr and weeds and all, but I think manufacturer is WAY more important than steel. Spyderco almost always gets it right :-)

My top 5: EDC user steel - Magnacut Hard use outdoor steel - INFI Saltwater use - Terravantium Bushcraft or Military Survival - 3V Multitool steel - Victorinox Rostfrei

Surprised to see 14C28N so high but I’ve been eyeing some knives in 14C28N and this might convince me to buy some of them lol

@matthuck378

3 жыл бұрын

I like it, at least in my limited experience. A good, balanced budget steel. Works great for EDC and kitchen knives, IMO.

All I have is a s30v( pm2 and Presidio 2) and manix 2 LW in 20cv. God I love the 20cv and the benchmade s30v. I will never buy a spyderco s30v again as the amount of work it takes to sharpen does not at all add up to the little bit of edge retention it gives.

NitroV could use some considering, far tougher than cruwear, and far more resistant to corrosion

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

But the edge retention department is severely lacking. It's good though. No argument there

@maxlvledc

3 жыл бұрын

@@metal_complex your Definitely right, I just got a fixed blade in 62 hrc cryo that outpost76 is testing, curious how it's edge retention is. Cheers

@Metal Complex I look up to you and admire your channel very much. I'm a brand new channel, you've inspired me to shoot my first video. Great video as usual👍

Any experience with magnacut? I know demko used it on some ad20 compacts

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

No. I'm sure it'll be amazing though 👍

Pm2 in cruwear I love it and I live on the beach. Sage 1 in maxamet so gangster

Rambly? For sure. Chock full of info that will influence (for better) my future knife purchases? Oh yeah! 🙏

What's your opinion on VG10?

For me, 1) cpm-m4 2) cpm-cruwear 3) maxamet Also, my Leatherman Charge has 154cm. I mostly use my serrated edge, to save the straight edge for special extra sharpness uses. I always thought cpm-154 was supposed to be a little better than 154cm. I really know nothing about this steel but, your last two steels you mentioned, I'm going to try out, and use hard. Guess I'm going to Walmart to get a Blur. I've also always wanted to try any Buck knives with a Bos heat treat. Preferably a Spitfire in s35vn. Seems like Buck steels always get better numbers in "tests". I don't know what's so special about the Bos Heat treat though. Great video! Love learning about steels.

@jkanecutlery

3 жыл бұрын

Cru-Wear is fantastic. It’s probably my favorite high alloy steel. Oh yeah M4 is sweet too.

I think you should do a video with the top hard use metals. Not all of us use knifes to cut boxes some use them in different situations. Like as a pry bar. Some metals will bend more than others and hold a edge.

@buckshot1955

3 жыл бұрын

Knives are made for cutting. If you want a pry bar, buy a pry bar.

@richardsimmons6526

3 жыл бұрын

@@buckshot1955 lol dude just stop. Do you use a screwdriver as pry bar. Just shut it.

@buckshot1955

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardsimmons6526 no I don’t. I use a pry bar genius and I’ll say whatever I feel like saying. Thanks

@richardsimmons6526

3 жыл бұрын

@@buckshot1955 the people that say that only use their sweet medford to cut tape and send it back to get sharpen.

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry... I think knives should be used to cut, hammers should be used to hammer, screwdrivers should be used to drive screws, and prybars should be used to pry. Do we use tools for tasks they aren't designed for sometimes? Sure. But we also know they shouldn't be used that way. If you're going to use a knife as a prybar, a tough steel like 1095 or 3V (countless others) will be your best bet. But, for example, if you break/damage your Medford knife while prying with it (the blade will probably be fine, but the critical damage will likely be lock face or pivot warping), I can guarantee Medford will make you pay to have it repaired. Why? Because it's designed for cutting, not prying.

Ok iam a m390 snob probably the lowest I would go is Elmax in fact I was going to ask you for your advice on this subject I do value your opinion I am thinking about swapping my Aus8 Rat blade for M390 I saw a web site that said they could do that but I mean what's to say they just stamp M390 on a Aus8 blade and send it back I just wondering if you have heard of anybody doing this and if the company is reputable love the channel 😁👋

@SRVandDtrouble

3 жыл бұрын

If you are taking about Way of Knife it's legit and yes good company. Send it to them though as they will fit the blade to your scales.

@patrickmccrea3455

3 жыл бұрын

@@SRVandDtrouble thank you sir yes that's the company I appreciate your reply 😁👋

What do you use to sharpen your knives?

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

KME 👍

The demko ad20 has almost been impossible to find recently...I would venture to say that you could get a grand for that these days... At least until more are made available to the general public that have the dough. Meaning the titanium version that you own.

@adrianenciso9277

3 жыл бұрын

That ti version he has DOES fetch a grand, in fact maybe even a little bit over. It’s ridiculous but that’s the market right now.

This is my favorite knife steel, there are many like it but this one is mine.....

If you like 154cm you should give Elmax a go. It's everything you mentioned you like about 154cm only better in every way.

@daveyboy6985

3 жыл бұрын

More expensive though.

@NewZonaRides

3 жыл бұрын

@@daveyboy6985 That’s true.

This comment section is going to be a petri dish for Bills lol.

D2 is what seems to be the best for the way I use my knives

How can a steel with high toughness be easy to sharpen? Thanks.

@elevationmoto6208

Жыл бұрын

The toughest steels do not have a lot of carbides. Carbides are very hard and make steel resist wear, including sharpening. So, to answer your question, high toughness steels lack wear resistance. Check out knife steel nerds.

The single most important thing about any steel choice is if your favorite knife is available in it and how good its manufacturer at heat treating it. My favorite knives are available in variety of steels and it happened that their manufacturers are fantastic at making N690 work. It is a good well rounded steel with enough toughness, edge retention, corrosion resistance and can be sharpened with basic tools in its optimal HRC range. As for tough beasts that are not as rust-proof and are not easy to sharpen either it is PGK for me. I use one tiny knife made of PGK to cut wood and bamboo, it cuts lake a laser and I barely need to re-sharpen it. D2 is ok too, but it is usually not heat treated to its maximum capacity. If I have to chose one knife it would be made of N690 most likely.

I will never attempt to sharpen my sage Maxamet again. Only blade I have ever broken, it is really brittle. I have sent it in for a blade replacement, will send to them if I ever need it sharpened again. Cool doesn’t sound like I will have to send in that often. Why I want to really carry it daily.

Wootz!

didn’t you post this video a while ago

The good old S90V is still one of the best. S30 > S45VN > S35VN, newer is not better.

Native Chief rex45 Native Chief M4 para 2 Maxamet Shaman Z WEAR Manix 2 m390 para 2 wharncliff s30v Military s30v ....so far for me

Man I use my knives a lot, during work probably 100-200 cuts a day depending on how busy I am, that's industrial plastics and carboard. And additional usage when I get home. I'm lucky to get a week or two of sharpness out of high end steels...I'm jealous. ::EDIT:: My number 1 is the same as you, like 4-5 mins max on my Worksharp and it is razor sharp.

CPM-154, CPM-Cruwear, CTS-XHP CPM-s30v, Maxamet, CPM-M4, CPM-20cv, CPM-3v, 14c28n, N690co

@jkanecutlery

3 жыл бұрын

3V and Cru-wear 🙏

D2 👍🏼

Where do you rank 9Cr ?

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

Good budget steel for sure. Nothing wrong with it. I just prefer the steels listed.

CPM MagnaCut

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't had a chance to use any yet. I'm sure it's great

I would recommend trying n690co on a Italian made knife. The steel has a mediocre reputation and is often compared to vg10, this is completely wrong the only thing that it has in common is that they are both billet steels, n690co is a stainless nitrogen steel with added cobalt and it doesn’t need to be sandwiched in another steel to make it stainless and more flexible like vg10. The reason I recommend trying n690co in a Italian made knife is because the hardening factory in Maniago and the hardening factory of extrema ratio do wonders with the steel and actually make it outperform a lot of premium blade steels.

Actually got a good deal on a Browning on Wish. You just got to be aware of the two common scummy seller tactics 1) Bait and switch (A/B product - be sure to select the right one or you'll end up with some Chinese model you don't want) and 2) Obvious fakes: If the knife is 75% off don't bother. Look for sellers in the US w/ expedite shipping offering 10%-20% off.

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

Ya but almost no one knows to look for these things. For new people, it's best to avoid wish altogether

20cv

LC200N is the shit!

🍻

Maybe someone can help me pick a steel. I want to get a Kizer sheepdog. Have a choice of 154cm or cpm10v. I'm new to this knife game. I'm using it for cutting cardboard, paper, packaging etc. Also not a expert on sharpening. Thx in advance

@metal_complex

2 жыл бұрын

154CM is one of the most balanced, user friendly compositions in existence. It's stainless, reasonably tough, easy to sharpen, takes a fine edge and holds it for a decent amount of time. That's my vote.

@Johnny9ers

2 жыл бұрын

@@metal_complex thx so much for your help and info. P.s. love you're videos, watch them all the time.

27:56 "440C is definitely gonna be the most preferred in that territory..." - MC 2021 You heard it here first, folks! 😂

@jessemijnders6114

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

Ya that was a whoops on my part 😅

I have 2 surefire knives btw

No M4?

@tristandauod

3 жыл бұрын

Was wondering the same thing. Not even an honorable mention?🤔🤷‍♂️

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

I like M4. It's hard for me to place it now with K390 being (imo) a steel with superior attributes in the same ballpark. I SHOULD have listed it alongside K390 though

You Crack me up

He's wrong CPMS35VN is the best EDC steel 🤣

@ashmerch2558

3 жыл бұрын

You mean only EDC steel right 😅😂😂

Why are certain steels so expensive? Honest question. Harder to work with, manufacture, etc.

@metal_complex

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. More goes into the creation of it.

M4 is my boo

20cv slaps

3v is the perfect fixed blade steel, cru wear is the perfect folder steel. deal with it.

I try to get a knife in a new steel every time I can.. just to see what works

@CNYKnifeNerd

3 жыл бұрын

This. I've found that I'm a steel collector first, and a knife collector second.

VG10 (a very common steel) literally sits in between 14c28n and 154CM but doesn’t find its place anywhere on the list…hmm

@metal_complex

2 жыл бұрын

Finds its place for what? Edge retention? That ain't the only element friend. Edge retention alone doesn't dictate rank. Too many people think this way.

The question is....how many people actually use a knife even in a lower end steel use a knife until it gets really dull.

@elevationmoto6208

Жыл бұрын

All my coworkers who give me their chipped dull knives to sharpen.

Magnacut

No love for CPM M4? I see how it is 😠

I thought the channel was demonitised? I see adverts on your videos all the time now

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

I was re monetized.👍

I think your #1 will be 154CM.

My Skiff is in 154CM. That knife was...expensive. Not a thing wrong with that steel.

Geometry is king. The steel supports the geometry

@metal_complex

3 жыл бұрын

Covered that in the video 👍