against my own good judgement, I got bullied into getting my ears "candled" by a "professional" and immediately got hit with the most insane ear infection and head cold I've ever had in my life!!! thanks for sounding the alarm about this kinda thing...

Compression/dynamics was quite a difficult thing for me to hear in my first years. It was weird because finally, I suddenly got it. Suddenly I could hear it pretty clearly. The downside is I can't bear to listen to music radio broadcasts now!

Dave Worrall

@bdan

Жыл бұрын

so real

@jakubowskij

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@ableton-i3d

Жыл бұрын

But does it cramp near nyquist?

@FollowingStorm0

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💀

@DerpySwag

Жыл бұрын

DAVE WORRALL HEHEEH I like that

You, Dan, are one of the solitary isles of sanity in the myth-riddled and pretentious sea of "audio people" (be it audiophiles, engineers or musicians) especially on the internet. I genuinely think that the music industry is one of the worst (if not The worst) areas when it comes to gullibility and confusiuon. I've seen so many people who studyied audio engineering alongside me for 5 years and seasoned pros believe such BS... seriously our line of work has a long way to go with dispelling all of this nonsense. Anyway, sorry for the rant and thank you for trying to turn even dumb comments into videos that might be useful for others.

@Barncore

Жыл бұрын

You haven't been in the crypto industry then

@Purpose_Tortoise

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@@Barncore Thank god, I guess :D

@semilovato

Жыл бұрын

You said it man. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, too.

I LOVE these little meditations that dan puts out after a video. Feels like we are meditating on a subject for several days, when we follow in real time. Very unique and cool to experience

We love you Dan. Keeping being you. Your the GOAT !!!!! 🎉

@djbarxxx1000

Жыл бұрын

right next to kush

@IgneusBeats

Жыл бұрын

@@djbarxxx1000 who?

@rickyanthony

Жыл бұрын

His the GOAT what?

@PoundSound

Жыл бұрын

@@rickyanthony Greatest Of All Time (GOAT)

@eroero830

Жыл бұрын

I just shagged a 🐐whilst pretending it was Dan!

Hey Dan, this is a very touching video for me. I suffer from hyperacusis (i hear everything louder than an average ear by 5 decibels), and after being diagnosed, i never truly felt the same. I've had it since birth and always struggled. It's not a superpower, loud just hurts me faster than the average person. I struggle with mixing as well because i constantly have to take it into account and how it affects my health. Your video helped me grasp that not everything is gonna be perfect and that there is a way for me to trust my ears, I just haven't found it yet. But with practice, maybe I'll find what works for me ! Thank you Dan.

@made.online2149

Жыл бұрын

The good news is that those of us with less sensitive hearing have a tendency to mix things while working at too loud a level- as loud=satisfying to us. This often results in us having blind spots in our mixes due to some psychoacoustic properties of loudness. Working at a quiet level and making a mix sound great will often mean that it sounds stellar when played back loud. So! Make a good mix at a quiet, comfortable level, and I'm sure it will sound fantastic when somebody else plays it back loud.

3:48 so this explains why my late night mixes always sound so harsh when I listen again the next morning.....

Dan, my ears are 20 years old, I can kinda feel a difference between those two EQS in the 16k, but as you, I don't think that difference really matter, or it will make a good recording sound incredible (also the placebo knob says a lot by itself already). Your channel made me realize that what makes a song sound good is not really the plugins, the “digital” gain staging, or anything stupid audio influencers try to push on the community's throat, it is the performance, in today's world where everything is “oh just do this and it is done” or “just use this eq with this compressor”, for who is starting out that is a mess. This channel really helped me get through the bullshit marketing myths in audio and pushed me into searching what I really wanted, today I'm doing a music production major in college. Thanks for keeping up with the good content!

@SenatorBanana

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If it sounds good, it is good.

@Bronwyn031

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Awesome reply btw. For me it was ditching all of my plugins and concentrating on fully understanding the few that I use the most. Listening to reference tracks down over and over in my monitors to dissect them down their most minor nuances. Keep playing around till you discover how they make that certain sound you are chasing. However, I have picked up several useful tips from YT'rs. Like how I didn't know that the 250Hz band naturally produces masking harmonics up through the higher frequencies. Dropping that 250Hz by .5 - 1dB can naturally quell those harmonics and make a mix perceive to be louder pre-limiting. I also learned that you should use a clipper before sending audio through the limiter. Another one is the big difference adding EQ'ng before compression will naturally create a warmer tone versus EQ'ng after compression will give a cleaner accurate tone. Mixing audio is truly a wonderful rabbit hole to get lost in.

@anteshell

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@@SenatorBanana As simple and mundane that statement is, and also true for that matter, it is also excruciatingly complex and hard to answer. It is relatively easy to say when something is good, but not so much anymore when the question changes to more relevant one; when it is good enough. This is somewhat similar issue as "blinding" your ears to minor changes when you have a long session, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about this purely from psychological standpoint. I have often very hard time defining to myself when I've done good enough job.

@WillyJunior

Жыл бұрын

​@@SenatorBananaThe main problem is, a lot of people can't hear that it *isn't* good. That's a big part of the skill

@Magic_carpet666

Жыл бұрын

> This channel really helped me get through the bullshit marketing myths in audio > spends thousands in a music production college course Had to lol at that

Dan, your tutorials are beyond Jedi Master level. Your content is always engaging for the nerdy lot of us. Your thoughtful approach to all the themes you cover is is exactly where it needs to be and always remains humble. Thank you, sir.

A well-trained ear is infinitely better than the best, youngest, highest dynamic range ears. In fact, most mixers tend to suffer some kind of hearing loss which is the point in the first place. Not everyone hears a song the same way. As someone who is basically bass-deaf in one ear, I learned to not worry so much about hearing loss and continue on training my ears.

@bakharandi

Жыл бұрын

Beethoven wrote his very best works when he was Deaf !?@y@?! (-;

You need a podcast, I just love hearing your knowledge and anything. It’s great!

this 10 min video had all the information of a full year of schooling back in 2008, you are a force for good in the world

The most mellifluous voice of sound and sanity. Thanks, as ever!

This was the inspirational self-help talk I didn't know I know I needed. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge

Dan, you’re amazing on so many levels it’s actually mind boggling. A rare breed for sure and very much looked up-to. Keep doing you!!

Thank you so much for all these lessons, Dan! 🙏🥇

Thx Dan!❤ please never stop doing such great content. I'm engineer with over 25 years of experience and your videos and your thoughts about some things, impressed me like nothing else the last 20 years! Thx that you beeing You!

@johncasey9544

Жыл бұрын

Yep totally agree with this. I think the audience cares much more about the way a voice is used than the quality of the voice or even of the singing. If you're into it and you don't sound noticeably terrible, normal people will think you're a good singer.

Hello Dan, discovering your channel was the best thing that happened for my mixing and production works, I switched to REAPER an year ago after watching you use it and the experience has been lovely. Thanks Dan

Hey Dan! Keep up the good work. I'm 38 now and still learning. Actually all you said and showed on your channel and even Fabfilter's channel is real and applies everywhere in this world. I can only say that all what we have to do is train and know our stuff (eq, compression, so on + knowing some music and actually play an instrument). I'm doing both for 26 years now. I wish i can see an analog/digital comparison here on this channel. Try and offer us something like that. I bet every youtuber and producer will subscribe instantly. Love you and thank you for teaching us all something new everytime you post a video. Best regards from Romania!

Wow, a practice routine... Hard to believe you need to mention that. Appreciate your observations, and they jive with mine. Grateful for your efforts. Thank you!

Dan is the Yoda of Audio Engineering. Without exaggeration, I’ve learned something profound from every one of his videos I’ve seen, whether it be a tutorial, an audio concept video, or one of his philosophical videos like this one.

I started out running live sound about 8 years ago. Eventually I got into studio recording and after a little while I noticed that my live mixes started sounding way better even though I was still pretty bad at studio mixing. What I realized is that I started subconsciously applying certain studio principles to my live mix and that was what really made them get good. Similar to the guy you mentioned, I also was very unaware of how to set a release time from doing only live sound, but then after I learned in the studio I could then apply it to live and that's just one of the things that helped me get to where I am today.

Golden nuggets and valuable lessons! Thanks Dan ❤️

we need more videos with just talking and contemplating stuff! it's very entertaining and educative to listen to your thoughts

These videos are gold.

This is great advice, especially the compression part, you need extreme settings so you can hear the effect itself doing its job so you can understand the nuances and what over compression sounds like as well.

You are king Solomon of audio! You taked time and verbalized in very concize and easy way what is important. In no school but life one can you learn this. There is no better way to train your ears than eqing pink noise, or mixing with vacum cleaner turn on

great stuff, as always!

Thank's again Dan. U'r always great inspiration

Tchad Blake, probably the best out there, has hearing damage on one side of his head from hunting as a kid. He said in an interview "I used to think my mixes were bad because of my hearing, but it turns out I didn't really know what I was doing back then". If he can do what he does with what he's got left, I'm convinced that with the right training anyone dedicated enough will find a way.

@karlboman

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David Torn, another legend, has severely damaged hearing on one ear due to (I *think*) a stroke in the early 90s. Doesn't stop him from continually getting work for producing, soundtracking and guitar playing!

Brilliant, simply. Love it.

After 30 years of electronic music production, i can't even tell by ear what key of any of my music is. Transcribing music is pretty dope skill.

@DanWorrall

Жыл бұрын

To be clear, I can't listen to a piece of music and tell you what key it's in. That's perfect pitch. I have relative pitch, meaning if I had a keyboard or guitar in standard tuning I could find the roof note on that, and then tell you what key it's in. Assuming it has a recognizable key centre of course: not all music does, and is not mandatory.

learnt alot from you brother ;; 💯💯

Thank you for the "Golden Advices! ❤️

Some sage advice as always!

your content is A+

Hello Dan! I use the collision feature on Pro Q3 and have found it helpful for identifying potential problems. It has helped me train my ears. In fact, it's trained them well enough for me to recognize that you're right - there are a lot of false-positives from that collision feature.

Wow, really gold advices. Thank you, sir.

Thanks for inspiration!

The only channel for which I have notifications on.

As a professional jazz violinist I record and mix (amateur style) my band's music for our KZread videos. And I do commercial composing where I have to mix my own stuff. I never have to worry about trying to have a grammy nominated mix for this work, as long as I'm adequate. (thank gods) But we should always strive for greatness even if we don't have to! Though the info Dan shared in the 2nd half about how to train our ears probably isn't brand new news for many, do we do it? Dan shared this in such a clear and inspiring way, I can't wait to go and experiment with frequencies and compression more. EVERY DAY ! Like practicing an instrument, it needs to be consistent, patient, disciplined yet free and experimental. Thanks Dan!

Priceless! Thank you

Agreed, the ears (or more accurately the brain ) adjusts to your environment after around 20 mins so there's little point risking your ear health unless you have a genuine medical problem. I had my ears syringed once when I was young (at the advice of a doctor) and yes, I just had an overly bright response for a while. it went back to the same response eventually but I hope I never have to do that again.

Mr. Worrall, you are amazing.❤

I strongly feel this Dan-Worrall-advised ear training methodology will positively change and accelerate my approach and advancement to earning a good ear and mix mastery. For ALL of your advice across all of your videos, Dan, I sincerely thank you, as I'm sure we all do.

What I've learned after 40 years doing this, mostly, for a living- my ears aren't better than anyone else's I just have learned what to listen for. I find just about every musician in the studio isn't listening to anything else other than how awesome they are. Once you point out what to listen for, the details their "awesomeness" is covering up, they almost always hear the issue I'm hearing. Often they agree it needs some attention, other times they're awash in their own greatness and that upper "harmonic boost", ice pick tone, their aluminum cone JBL speakers is giving the original Plexi Marshall on 10 is just part of their incredible sweep arpeggio lead that sings at the 24th fret on the high E..............

Great video. I also got my chops mixing live (front of house), mostly in Austin, TX during the rise of South by Southwest from 1987-1994. Bluegrass, Jazz and Rock. But I still constantly have to refine my ears. 60 year old ears at that! And I still struggle a bit with the move to digital. It’s too easy to fall down the analysis rabbit hole, instead of mixing with your ears!

Your videos are a treasure Dan.

I needed to have the ear cleaning. My ears were so full not only did it almost completely seal off the canal - it also caused a phenomenon known as double hearing - the pitch kind. In one ear. And as someone with pretty strong relative pitch it was driving me absolutely insane. And from that experience, the "super clarity" I experienced was same as you described - higher frequencies in everhthing I heard. But it also made everything much louder, so quieter sounds are quieter and my ears are more prone to damage at higher volumes.

All good points, Dan. I won't say how old I am or how bad my hearing is (it might scare off clients), but I think as time goes on I have adjusted to my high frequency loss. When I listen to "good" reference material I don't feel I need to boost the highs, and the mastering engineer that I use says he usually needs minimal (or no) EQ on most of my work. So, I think having teenage ears would be a wonderful thing, but my age doesn't seem to be negatively effecting my work.

One of the things that keeps coming up in community groups of people learning how to produce music is how to mix. I've had several people tell me my tracks were well mixed and it took me a while to twig that I had spent some time learning to live-mix in amongst the years of playing in church. And the skill is transferable to music production. Good instruction about learning a compressor, too. I'm going to go do that as I kind of understand how a compressor works but often don't know what I'm doing. And I've acquired a bit of a collection of compressor plugins as effect bundles always seem to include them.

I love being able to mix using my ears, it took a long time to get that skill but once you start doing it it gets so much easier and feels more artistic rather than technical.

This was superb 😎👍🍻 Cheers Dan

I needed this video, even though it's perhaps a little different to my situation: I've always had a right ear that is slightly weaker and not as clear as my left - it's kinda difficult to describe and not obvious day-to-day - but it's always bothered me, given that when I'm mixing or using headphones, everything seems very slightly panned to the left. It still bothers me occasionally, though this video further helps me realise, again, that my wish for "perfect" ears, though nice, is probably misguided. I just need to be grateful for the hearing I have, which I think it still decent, all things considered ☺

I thought Golden Ears was a Bowie song? Thanks for the vids Dan, always entertaining and educational.

Precious. Just precious.

thanks for the sound sound advice, dad!

You are definitely right about the tools we have today. I remember learning on a 4 track tape machine. I remember wondering why my recordings didn't sound exactly as good as the albums I was listening to. I remember thinking. This is not fair. Lol.

Best ever, stay clever, love ya Dan!

God I love this video. From decades of live performance, and one period where my monitoring was dangerously asymmetrical, I have asymmetrical high frequency loss. My right ear tops out just under 16kHz, my left ear goes to over 17.5 kHz. In musical terms, there’s not much perceptible difference between the two ears. Those frequencies aren’t particularly musical. “Good ears” requires normal healthy hearing obviously but it’s way more than that. It just means well trained. A normal listener doesn’t know how to “tune in” to what’s happening between 2k-5k, identifying masking or unpleasant spikes in some region. Or understanding volume and perceived frequency curve behavior. We train our brains to better understand our ears doing this work. That’s where good ears reside.

kickass tips, thank you very much sir

keep doing it Dan!!!

Good advice. Not to mention how an accurate system affects these abilities, and how a technically flat response can often sound wrong.

Amazing advice thank you!! Btw i also trained myself by training my ear to hear before compression and after compression. How does it sound when the threshold is too low or too high? (Spoiler if it’s too high it won’t compress since the threshold will never activate it) then adjusting the ratio , and testing how the threshold responds with those settings. Then do the same with attack and release and ratio. Only then was I able to “hear compression”, and my ear immediately knew if it was too much or too little compression or just right. But after all the theory is said and done, generic knowledge won’t give you what you need in order to start making / mixing songs, it will only give you the fundamentals. Learn from mixers that work on the genres you love, genres use specific effect techniques and chains. Like parallel eq and compression, using the sidechain to lower volume on a track based on another source, dynamic eqs with sidechain to control low end, etc.. All the best friends!!

clicked for beef , stayed for actual good advice

"Knowing your ears" is like knowing your monitors- sometimes, familiarity is more important than fidelity!

@sub-jec-tiv

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Agree. Have used the same HS monitors since they came out, swap out other “B” pairs now and again, but those relatively low-cost monitors allow me to do a great job, because i know them super well. Have had a friend tell me there’s no way i’m doing the best mixes i can without a pair of (insert expensive brand here). But when i hear their mix done on that brand i hear things i’d fix. And i’m listening on the HS. 😂

i like the idea of picking ONE daily exercise hadnt thought of that. ive been mixing for 45 year abd at age 70 i have pretty loud tinnitus, a scoop between 3k and 6k and have lost a lot if 10k and higher on one side. But when I put up a good record it still sounds normal to me and when I mix the results still sound like a record. i have to tread carefully with upper midrange but i figure i overused it anyway in the past, being a punk guitarist and all. Haha sound is magical and much more than flat frequency response. I love music and that is the most important skill. Love your videos.

“Frequency of the day” and “compressor of the day” - fantastic concept!

I spent many years with exactly the problem you described: I have better-than-average hearing, especially at the high end, so my mixes sounded muddy to everyone else because I would roll off the highs until the mix sounded good to me. Another important factor in the "magic ears" discussion is the influence of the listening environment: regardless of physiology, people aren't going to hear what you hear because their environments are different, often drastically so.

I love that my perception of you is like a non-physical entity for some reason 😂 u the best! 💯❤

@xSaintxSmithx

Жыл бұрын

Dan is just a ghost inside a mixing console moving faders and turning knobs.

@plummetplum

Жыл бұрын

Like HAL

Great video!

The algo is going to love the pace of your postings as well as the amount of reactions, I assume that you're not even able to read each of the comments, but that also is a good sign since it eventually is going to imrpove the quality of audio engineering content on youtube. Fingers crossed!

When I started a berklee, I remember my mastering teacher making 1dbs cuts or boosts and I couldnt hear any difference, and for me was like "no way someone can actually hear this...", after 3 years, I can hear it, but was a lot of trainning, practice and I still think some of it have to do with feel, what help me the most, was to get a midi controler and mix with no "visuals" or with my eyes closed, is amazing how much more you can actually hear once you dont have the visual aid of a plugin.

glad to be one of the 13-17 to be watching your videos

wow this video open my eyes. just need more ear training!

Tusen takk!

In this case: Thanks for listening. And thank you for sound advice.

Mine has astonishing directionality. Very useful!

It's interesting, I always thought I might have exhausted my ears over time as a music producer but to this day I hear things none of my friends hear. Like beeping of the fridge from the other room, but also a really subtle resonance that's extremely quiet no one else hears that's a power adapter for a phone charger that I get close to and hear and unplug. I almost never use headphones anymore and simply my studio monitors at a more quiet volume, learned listening quietly allows you to hear things in a mix you wouldn't otherwise be able to hear when you're blasting shit.

I'm glad I was honest with myself and admitted I can't tell the difference between one high quality DAC and another high quality DAC. I can't hear the difference between a good amplifier and another good amplifier as long as both of them are bringing enough power to the speakers. Thankfully I did this young enough that I didn't do too much damage to my wallet. And the older I get the less I care if other people can or cannot hear those differences themselves. However, I can tell the difference between mixes as I train my ear to mix and master my own music. As your video states your type of ear training is an entirely different skillset (assuming being a "golden eared audiophile" is a skill), and one worth pursuing.

I had a revelation after testing my daughters hearing. She’s young so she hears much higher frequencies than me. But when I had her do some of the typical blind A/B tests like comparing lossless to MP3 she can’t hear the difference. But I can because I’ve trained my ear. And if you really think about it, extremely high frequencies aren’t very useful to music. Once you get up past 10k or so it actually starts getting painful.

I like your videos and you always make good points. In the topic of trained hearing, this is where the all ITB mixing saddens me a bit. To me it is akin to modeled guitar amplifiers. Sounds great, but as a guitarist I can hear the difference between ‘analog’ and modeled. That tiny little ‘extra’ flavor is there when analog is introduced. No? 😀

@DanWorrall

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as another guitarist, I use amp sims exclusively now. Although I often do most of my distortion with a valve preamp and / or pedals so perhaps that doesn't count? I think they sound really good these days tbh. It's more the feel I miss from a real valve amp. But I suspect that's really all down to the fact that it was LOUD with a real amp, and that's a big part of the reason I don't use them anymore: I can track a guitar part without killing my ears for the rest of the day :)

Your sarcastic tone and slighly arrogant retorts are appreciated. You'd hear music like a Bat!!

Dan. I would love to see how you create your music. I would enjoy that very much.

Dan , Your Brilliance somehow magically combines the Sacred Sage Wisdom of Eckhart Tolle and the Satirical Practicality of George Carlin . . . ! . . .🙂 (-; . . . I am very grateful for Both the Sacred and Profane Balance of the Works that You Do . . . ! . . . 🙂 (-; . . . Many Thanks . . . ! . . . 🙂 (-;

Dan, you are the king of the sanity check and a very deep thinker.

Recently went to an otorhinolaryngologist, had both my ears blocked with cerumen after years of cleaning them with q tips; never realized how much of the high frequencies I was just not hearing. Your health is the most important asset, don’t neglect it.

When mixing for pleasure I think lower frequencies are more important. But also there are people mixing with headphones without using proper monitoring or room treatment. What will be obvious as collision with headphones could disappear with monitors and vice versa.

Regarding compression, I think I can tell light compression apart from hard compression. And it became very apparent when I upgraded my very old headphones to a new pair, a lot more expensive than my old. Suddenly compression stood out and I've never dialed in a compressor that aggressively since then. So, it might not just be your ears and ear training -- it will be your listening environment too and you will need to learn how your speakers and headphones sound so you won't overdo certain settings (like I did for years and years without knowing that you do.

Bonus point for the Rat Arsed reference, haven't heard that in a while... hehe

I think some people have the necessity of adding extrinsic value where there isn't any, abstract subjectivity that apparently only exists within the confines of each one's hearing and perception. And it's the same reason of why there's arguing between X or Y product of the same category that virtually do the same, because people don't want to feel like they have made the wrong choice, more so when money is involved. Perception is subjected to bias, because people are gonna hear what they wanna hear, more so if they approach something with strong preconceptions, and little to no openness to new views or suggestions. Because again, there's a strange necessity to justify our choices are the correct ones. The first video of the Kirchoff EQ vs ProQ 3 is pretty much spot on and I don't think I need more reasons or more comparisons to make a choice when the time to buy one or another comes. And since both are pretty much equal to one another except some very minor details, mostly QoL and UX, I think Kirchoff EQ is the best choice for someone that hasn't purchased ProQ 3 yet, because you get practically the same, and even more if we take into consideration the Dynamics side of the plugin, for a cheaper price.

Please make a video about physical modeling. Would love to hear your thoughts on the whole concept.

I got into recording and mixing because I was a songwriter with a limited budget who needed a cheap way to record demos. I was prepared for a steep learning curve with all the software, hardware and techniques involved. What I was not at all prepared for was the minefield of arrogant gatekeepers who resisted any logical attempts to demystify audio. Many thanks to DW and the others who helped me cut through the crap.

@legacyShredder1

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Can you give a couple examples of the gatekeeping? I've been in this for a long time, and I am 100% genuine in not wanting to be lumped into the Gatekeeper's Society. A fresh perspective is always welcomed.

Thanks 🙂

Hey dan, I was trying to get an answer from Sonarworks about what their "aggressive" setting for the high end eq roll off does above 20Khz, but have been dancing around with the customer service person for nearly two weeks now trying to get an answer (they have answered about 10 questions I didn't ask, in order to try and avoid answering my actual question lol). So I got plug in doctor and had a look for my self. It's very interesting what it's doing above 20Khz, and it audibly effects the sound (at least to me in blind tests). It basically stops altering the amount it's boosting by (or I assume cutting too) at what ever amount of DB it's boosting by when it crosses 22.05khz, AND STAYS BOOSTING BY THAT AMOUNT RIGHT UP UNTIL NYQUIST! In my case it consistently boosts by 1.5db from 22.05Khz all the way up. This isn't an issue at 44.1Khz as this all happens before 22.05, however at 48K and above it becomes an issue. I'd love to see a vid about it, so that they might actually do something about it. My speakers go up to 25Khz, so maybe not everyone would notice it, but unfortunately I can.

It also makes a huge diffrent if you come to make music with fresh ears and clear mind.. The longer i hear a loop the more i loose it... Even i think with good speakers and nice audio acoustics (room treatment) you should be able to hear (almost) every single frequency on the eq ... the training comes in when it's about identifying them,.... but that's the skill, your experience but also your style and taste. I'd say a combination of both. If u know what u do and why then you almost can't go wrong

thanks so much for all these advices !!!

What a coincidence, I took a frequency test two hours ago.😉 Dan, you're became a virtual friend for so many people! Thanx for your advices on ear training, and for all other stuff you share with us regularly. ❤

Keep smart man.... Nice one ;)