I almost never comment on a video, but I have to this time. Please do not stop with the in depth videos. The algorithm might be telling you to, but the producers likely disagree. I literally cannot think of another channel on youtube that describes how plugin works to such an extent as this channel does, and therefore provides the same quality of learning. One of a kind channel.

@Userminusone

4 ай бұрын

Personally I don’t think Dan Worrall will stop making those in-depth kind of videos, as he’s said before that he loves geeking out about plugins. I think his comment about the reception of his last video was more of a relief that he doesn’t have to worry about making lower-effort videos than normal while he still feels like crap from Crohn’s Disease before starting medication for it, not an acknowledgment that he should exclusively make lower-effort videos from here on out. Dan, if you’re reading this, I also hope that someday you will make more detailed videos breaking down plugins and other audio concepts, but if you decide not to, I will respect that decision, and I wish you well as you start your medication to help with living with Crohn’s Disease.

@samuliauno8163

4 ай бұрын

I just thought he was sarcastic about the low-effort part.

@cbrooks0905

3 ай бұрын

I don't know what video he's talking about, but I have to agree with the "algorithms". While I love that Dan has this vast knowledge I get lost and my mind wanders trying to listen to his in depth content. Add his hypnotic voice to it and all bets are off. I just can't focus. This video, however, I stayed with him the whole time. I think he would do well to tone it down a bit, maybe even dumb it down a bit. That's just my opinion though.

@PalaceofVision

3 ай бұрын

Hate, bitterness and negativity is what drives KZread and most social media. Sad but true.

I think people who think "analog mojo" will fix their bad mix don't realise that a lot of bad music/mix/mastering was made exclusively using analog gear. We just only remember the good music and become nostalgic of that.

@CarlyonProduction

4 ай бұрын

Or how much of a pain in the ass it was to work on, say, tape?!

@UnfortunatelyTheHunger

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, in my experience, audiophiles who obsess over analog gear, tend to have extremely reactionary tastes in music, unwilling to entertain the validity of the creative output of younger generations. It's an emotional attitude, driven by anger over no longer being young, taking their frustration on whoever they can get away with feeling powerful over

@legacyShredder1

4 ай бұрын

@@UnfortunatelyTheHunger I own a truckload of analog hardware and plenty of plugins. I want to hear more about my emotional attitude and anger, and how I take that out on plugin users.

@Arcessitor

4 ай бұрын

@@legacyShredder1 I know reading comprehension is hard, but 'tend to' indicates an average. As in, not all. Complicated stuff, I know.

@legacyShredder1

4 ай бұрын

@@Arcessitor The point. You missed it.

The voice of reason and with a tongue planted in the cheek. Entertaining, educating and thought provoking.

@ProductionAdvice

4 ай бұрын

^^ This !

Dan yapping while still teaching is something I'm absolutely up for.

I think what anolog modeled channel strips do for me is almost a mental thing, where it puts me in the mindset of working on a console. So instead of wondering what to load on each individual thing, you just put the same channel strip on everything and go, avoiding the mire of options. Also, the limitations are good for avoiding amateur mistakes, where instead of contorting the sound with 15 bands of fully parametric EQ, you got 3 or 4 bands to work with, which you quickly learn is completely sufficient 99% of the time. And if you're working with stepped frequencies and a preset Q-factor, well that's just straight-up idiotproof, which is great for me.

@AJOrpheo

3 ай бұрын

Yup! It’s a great place to start. And once I feel like I can’t get a certain sound out of my comp or eq on my Focusrite plugin in, I’ll try putting on something cleaner on (dynamic le from ozone 10 is my go to stand alone comp, similar to the fabfilter proMB and that normally gets my sound where it needs to be. No magic fixes. just tools that I learned in and out!

@bugglebegger143

27 күн бұрын

I fully agree. I've recently become a strong believer in channel strip plugs as a mixing approach. I put them on everything and just that practice alone is a giant step into being a vastly superior producer (of course, you have to actually mix on it, not just slap it on).

I found out how much "magic" they pack into their plugins when I took a closer look at one of the brainworx consoles (I forgot which one it was because I didn't buy it). It had a "sheen" knob. When activated, the sound experience was much brighter and clearer. When I examined the thing with the doctor, I realized that they had already built in a lowpass filter when loading the plugin. With the premise of analog warmth, this was acceptable to the ears. If you then activate "Sheen", this lowpass filter is deactivated. Ultimately, the "Sheen" button was simply a return to the normal digital sound. What made the difference was my premise of what makes the sound 'analog' and what makes the sound 'digital', nothing else.

@mycosys

4 ай бұрын

Thats not what i've seen reviewers testing it say sheen does on those console plugs, it radically changed the EQ

@DanWorrall

4 ай бұрын

Iirc sheen changes the shelf frequency or the bell width. You're correct that it's not magic.

@stayinspired2027

4 ай бұрын

Cool you should just buy more analog gear

@GeorgeLocke

4 ай бұрын

​@@stayinspired2027Also buy me a taco, please.

These short "low effort" videos are great! Thank you, Dan!

@bingoflangeworthy

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely. That Pedal Show do short [Effector Du Jour] videos that involve a seven minute investment of my time. They don't delve into every single ounce of detail like their hour--long episodes, but they sure are accessible.

Always excited to see your videos in my subscription feed, they're incredibly well made videos (even these low effort ones) that have given me some super useful insight into the actual technical aspects of audio. In retrospect, I don't know how I managed to work with sound for so long without even knowing what oversampling does or what phase means.

4:18 Honestly that's pretty much the main reason I use the more skeuomorphic plugins and the emulations a lot of the time. A lot of the more modern complicated plugins just make me tweak and mess around a lot rather than mix.

@Mikey__R

4 ай бұрын

Skeuomorphism has its place, but I think it still needs to be applied with thought and moderation. Compressors and EQs are normally fine; guitar amp emulations annoy me though, where they allow you to tweek the knobs of the channel you're not currently playing through whilst wondering why the EQ isn't having any effect on the tone.

I love how well compressed and gated your voice is on these. Really fits the theme of what you talk about 🤣

SO glad to see you're back Dan! I cannot express how much I learn from your videos and how much I enjoy your presentation style and the thought that goes into everything you do.

Appreciate seeing your videos in my feed. Thank you Dan. You are very insightful

Dan Worral is doing Snake Oil videos? I'm here for it!

Great Video Dan and I'm so happy you finally are getting treatment. Being sick is no fun to say the least. Get better soon!

Thank you so much, Dan, for all the many videos that help make us all better!

If I'll ever make plugin, I'm definitely going to implement "Accurate emulation of dust that needs to be wiggled around in the pot and virtual contact cleaner included" 😂

@M1ster77

4 ай бұрын

And there will be people who will use e.g. automation to actually use that "dusty pot feature" to use it in a musical or sound-design context i believe - why not make a plugin that resembles just dusty potentiometers?! I mean the crackling must sound differently on an SSL-pot compared to a Neve-pot, right?! 😇🤓😂

@simongunkel7457

4 ай бұрын

@@M1ster77 I would want one for that reason. But I think I could get there with Reapers JS, or Reaktor. I`d just have to think about the UI. Edit: Got there with Reaktor in a few minutes. It turns out that figuring out the UI wasn't a big problem.

@xseb1

4 ай бұрын

Please also include a mini game where you have to replace broken condensers or troubleshoot faulty cable connections 😂

@M1ster77

4 ай бұрын

sounds AWESOME! Also maybe some groundloop hum, depending on the other plugins in that channel of your daw, so you really have to dig deep to find the issue. I d also recommend random polarityflip whenever the plugin is instantiated - just like in some analogue units / cables that have been wired backwards. Man this is getting exciting! 🤣🙈@@xseb1

@DanWorrall

4 ай бұрын

@soundslikeamillion77 also bursts of RF noise that go away before you can work out which channel it's on. And occasional announcements from passing taxi drivers.

I gave up my subscription for one of the ssl plugins bundles as I couldn't hear a difference. Firstly I think you need really good speakers, audio interface, etc just to hear these subtle analogue sounds. Secondly we add all of these subtle effects then someone plays the finished mix through their phone. They will definitely not hear any of it. Thanks for the great video!

Nice one Dan. As much as I love your in depth analysis I don’t always have time to watch the whole thing in a busy day, so this low budget, short and sweet approach is great for a few minutes of downtime, keep em coming! But health first, all the best with that 👍

You’re the best, Dan. As a fellow Reaper user, your analysis has been among the most useful I’ve encountered in my mixing “career”. Always looking forward to the next video!

thanks for sharing your knowledge and thoughts with us, Dan! It's always a pleasure watching your videos

I love how you make each point pertinent and meaningful Dan ... Carry on with these great fire side chats!

Came for the level-headed audio analysis, stayed for the level-headed political analysis

To many plugins out there 99.9% of these plugins are like SPAM they do not do anything but distract me. Thanks for all the work you do Dan !

Thing is that even your “low effort” is still either reassuring and/or insightfull. Which puts you above many other “audio youtubers”.

Two videos in a row! 😊 I love hearing your personal perspective!

I think it is more about the feel of the workflow. Yes, we can EQ match until the cows come home but then sometimes it's more about getting to know what to expect from each "flavour" and the context for when to use it. If you learned on hardware, there is something inherently comforting in the GUIs. All that said, I love how the FabFilter suite pretty much covers the bet from end to end between ProQ3, Saturn, ProC2, and Volcano if you are looking for a nice "channel strip" sound. The caveat being your ability to put it all together

Always a pleasure, looking forward to the next!

I love all the vids. Definitely up for more "low effort" short-form videos! Glad you're feeling a bit better, and hope you keep heading in that direction!

I've been waiting for a video about a console/channel strip (other than Amek 9099)! Excited to watch this, Dan never fails to deliver. EDIT: This was not what I expected. Although it is a great video, I expected some sort of in depth walkthrough of at least the channel strip in the thumbnail, similar to your Amek 9099 video.

The s-es trigger right green bar … can’t unsee and unhear. And I really enjoyed this quality talk! Thanks Dan and hope you feel better soon!

@DanWorrall

4 ай бұрын

100Hz on the left up to 8k on the right, RMS amplitude levels.

I wish you the best and I want to thank you for your awesome videos, I learned a lot from you!

Hi Dan! I love this format too, simply to the bone of the matter! greetings from Argentina!

Babe wake up, new Dan Worrall just dropped

I honestly just like the layout of those kinds of plugins more. If i need to dig deep i will use EQs or Compressors that allow me to do that, but in all the other instances i like those old looking ones. They force you to listen instead of looking at a live graph of the entire frequency spectrum and i like that

We're all just glad you're getting care period! My uncle uses the VA so I know waiting on the system us very frustrating especially if your not a doctors office kind of person. Thanks for the talking points 😊

6:30 DAWs are in fact more powerful than any studio mixer from the 90's, but many mixes now are also on another level, not possible in the 90's, nevermind 80's or 70's. That being said, I agree equipment is not an excuse for a bad mix nowadays. Get well soon, Dan!!!!!

While I do think that with increasing computing power, the „analog“ aspects or nonlinearities will be more in-depth, your video had a great take on it! Anyway IMHO the „realness“ always has to come from the recording. Where you put that mic and how much room you let bleed in will always make it more interesting than what channelstrip you used. Really enjoyed your style and arguments! Absolutely subscribed!

I got a bunch of "vintage" compressors from Waves for next to no money a few years back and I love them. The limited functionality of the vintage emulations compared to a modern plugin really helped me develop my ear for compression because I could just drop them in to a track, compare the results against each other, pick which one I liked best and tweak from there. So I agree, whether a plugin is "better" comes down to workflow and ease of use rather than whether said plugin can "do" something another plugin can.

I always love your no-nonsense philosophical analyses to these matters. - Glad the system took care of you. Hope you are well.

What do you think about airwindows plugins , especially Consoles ?

@altarec123

2 ай бұрын

Before the airwindows consolidated projet I would've just advise to not really touch on it. Wayyyyyyyy to many plugins, some (if not most) of them straight useless for the majority of people, some really great and a handful that are just straight up witchcraft. Now that we have a plugin with all airwindows plugin inside it with embedded documentation and a dedicated recommended section it's way more accessible than it was before. The XYZ Filter series is incredible, Pockey2 is one of the most musical bitcrusher around, the K series of reverb shouldn't be free. If Chris only made ToTape6 I'll still consider him one of the greatest DSP coders of all time. Tube2 is such a joy, ect ect ect. For me tho, console is such a pain to setup and use that I juste never uses is.

Love your videos, man. Though I'm not a sound engineer find it very entertaining ❤

Dan always helps me see the path to good music, sound and creativity.

I have learned three things from you, Mr. Dan: 1. Use your ears before you use your eyes 2. Saturation is magical 3. A plug-in should help you get better sounds faster I like the way the AMEK 9099 plug-in works, and I feel like I understand it 1000x better after your video, but my choice to use that plug-in is strictly because I like how fast I can get good sounds out of it. It's not giving me any sound that I couldn't get by individually creating each component of it and I would not be doing your teaching justice by pretending otherwise! I am super glad you are on the mend my dulcet-voiced internet friend! Power to Labour!

I am a sucker for aesthetics when it comes to plugins. I have always wondered if I truly like music, or just playing with all the knobs and levers like some mad scientist. I've got a few channelstrip plugins, but they never seem to do for me what separate "boring" plugins easily achieve. Except for one: the IK plugin rack which I got for cheap, although it doesn't really count because it's not so much a console but a seperate fx strip with predefined choices.

If you know what yor are doing, you can get very good mixing resulst with stock plugins, if not - third party plugins don't help at all. And btw. one of my favourite bands is Guided By Voices. Most of their early tracks are recorded on 2 or 4 tracks. It is the song that matters most. Good luck with your treatment, hope you are getting well soon. ❤️

@dabanjo

4 ай бұрын

GBV is my fave as well. I actually use them to put things in perspective quite often. The "mixing" and quality of the recording is second to a great song. The lo fi sound of something like Bee Thousand doesn't need any special mixing or mastering to sound awesome.

I do love the post 2006 plugins. Man, they emulate millions of dollars of $ in the 80s. And I'm Canadian and love my social net, though it is a challenge to maintain.

Love the approach. Well said!

You are a legend Dan. We all want you to get better, and we love all of your content. It’s always very useful and educational 😎👍

It cannot be overstated enough your comment about the "accessibility to the masses" and how amazing that is. When I first started playing with sound as a teenager, I didn't have access to a studio, just my PC and what I could get cheaply/free... and it sucked. The difference between what I had and what the pros had was just massive. Even if I was extremely skilled (I'm not) there was no way I could achieve professional results with the tools I could have. Now? It's the same stuff. I can, and do, have the same DAW, same reverbs, same compressor, etc that actual pros use, despite just being a hobbyist. It is so awesome that the barriers have been lowered as they have.

Title of the video I've been waiting for, but I probably expected different content. Two things. 1. Questions Let's set aside design and ergonomics. Here are my questions. What should we model in terms of sound? Is there anything else we cannot model yet? Is hardware behavior static or frequency-dependent (possibly due to capacitor bandwidth)? i.e. Does the mathematical algorithm describing the compression or eq curve of the device always remain the same? How different can channel strip plugins be and what distinguishes them from each other? Why do some possibly sound "better and more realistic" than others? What is the difference between an algorithmic plugin and an impulse plugin (Acustica Audio)? 2. My experience I've had both cheap and expensive hardware channel strips. I noticed that I always prefer a digital equalizer in the DAW. Cheap compressors are bad. Mid-range and expensive compressors process the signal in a way that I cannot achieve with plugins. With hardware, it's quick and "like on recordings". Several times I tried using a channel strip as external processing to enrich the sound (hybrid mixing) and didn't notice any magical results on a single track or mix, except for signal degradation in some cases, usually losing top and bottom frequencies. Preamp quality is very important. Therefore, for me the best combination is a good preamp, tracking compressor, and the rest with plugins.

You sir win the Internet! Another brilliant video. Thank you for your wisdom and your BBC voice that delivers it haha

Awesome video, as always. Here's a comment to support you and show the algo that you are in fact a healer of dropsies !

Digging this format / blog. Stay well

I think that a mix of wise words like these (algorithm / schmalgorithm) and in depth dives is a good mix. In fact, using intro videos like this will help people like me subscribe to discover the deep dives to learn more hands on information. Thanks for all of it.

We’re very happy that you’re back in game!

I appreciate the 360° logic here. I'm not a huge fan of channel strips, though I do own a few of the bx_consoles, and after trying a few "vocal compressors" and gates on very Cover-Of-The-Rolling-Stone-esque vocals, without finding the sound I was looking for, I decided to try a few channels strips. I ended up using the compressor/gate from one of the bx_consoles (I won't say which; find the one that works for you,) and it's now sitting exactly how I need it to be sitting. So much is perspective, and is subjective in nature, like most non-technical music decisions.

You hit the nail on the head. 'If you enjoy it'... and if I enjoy it, i'll be more creative, and if im more creative, I'll end up with better mixes. So anything that you think is cool.... is cool! Regardless of whether it has code or knobs!

A short vid from you Dan is really a condensed "keeping it real" perspective of value, sometimes a point is lost in a long technical vid. You could probably do valuable shorts!!

I absolutely love my Neve and SSL channel strips on UAD2, but the DSP offload movement in general does seem permeated by misinformation and misplaced hype. I honestly just love how they sound and the fact they don't hog my CPU.

As expected quality analysis 🙏🏻

Great content, as usual, Dan. Hope you're feeling better these days 👍One of your comments reminded me of a time when i was at a house party in Tucson. There was one party-goer who was a member of the Tohono O'odham nation walking around with a mason jar of tequila with a partial rattlesnake soaking in it. He asked me if i wanted to try it and raised his fist in a curling motion, as if to imply it would give me superpowers in the bedroom. I politely declined. Edit: spelling

I still own a Behringer Composer, which was also my first compressor. Back when it came out, it was a game changer because it was much cheaper than anything else on the market and not sooo bad

Hi Dan! Nice to hear these "low effort videos". Very sorry to hear about the resurgence of the Crohn's. I hope your new regime is helpful. I love your attitude to all this analogue/digital audio stuff!!! Actually just to sound and music full stop. I agree 100% with your last video and this one - politics included. As a live sound engineer who has the privilege to do festival walk-in gigs with bands I love, and having done so from all analogue to all digital, I couldn't agree with you more. Once gains and basic EQs are set in the changeover I spend more time turning off inappropriate processing (plugin or stock) than anything else, apart from fader manipulation where necessary for balance for the first couple of songs. THEN I can start actually mixing. Regardless of provenance, people seem to forget that these things are tools to be used in appropriate circumstances, rather than things which must always be done. I also think that the use of DAWs and digital consoles leads many to mix with eyes rather than ears. Anyways, I love your contribution to all of this, regardless of so-called effort. I find your commentary to be witty, appropriately sarcastic, insightful, and most importantly, thought provoking. Thanks for all you do, sir! And may your health improve ASAP! 🙏😎🙏

I think there’s three categories for a channel strip to be evaluated by (four if you bring price into the equation). First, does it speed up your workflow? Second, does it do what’s on the tin (useful eq, compression, de-esser, saturation, etc). Third, if it models hardware, does it accurately model the hardware? The third one is the one that I think about most because it’s very easy to answer the first two. In particular there are some complicated things that influence the sound passing through the hardware. Obviously, box sound is a real, measured thing, but how accurate is it? We can only tell if someone has access to both and does a comparison. And what is the usefulness of each element of that box sound? As you’ve pointed out, we’re going to EQ anything to our liking anyway so any box sound EQ will likely be made largely redundant. Recognizing that, my interest has drifted towards the parts of the box sound that are related to transients and saturation. I’m almost certain that there are plugin manufacturers inaccurately implementing saturation to channel strips and other hardware modeled components. The most obvious inconsistency is that I’ve seen is how saturation is applied. Lower effort plugins apply saturation linearly across the frequency range, at various levels per harmonic. The hardware doesn’t necessarily model saturation this way. The best sounding console emulation plugin I own has nonlinear saturation applied in different amounts across the even and odd order harmonics in an X shape, where the even order harmonics are loudest at the lower end, and the odd order harmonics are loudest at the higher end. The X crosses around the 1k mark, presumably not accidentally where the vocal range and more sensitive parts of our hearing are. The other part is the transient nuances introduced by the electronics that I don’t really have the equipment to measure. So, for me, outside of workflow, the special sauce is how saturation is applied. Flat is fine, but leaves a lot on the table. If you want to test this for yourself, you can compare the various applications of saturation on a plugin like the Black Box HG-2MS, where you can select flat or dial in saturation curves. In my opinion, saturation curves are where the magic is.

Love you, Dan!

Great video. you are right on the topic.

The vast majority of audio engineers who have used this analog technology at that times are grateful that these analog days with all its pitfalls and problems are over. Nuff said.

Behringer Composers - My mate was very disappointed with his. Marked lack of Bass frequencies, while I had a PA rack full of them and no problems. Turned out that, for a length of time, the factory in China had run out of the specified components and had been substituting 'near equivalents', hence the problem with the frequency response. Mine were of an earlier vintage and had no such problems.

Another great video Dan. A country should be judged on how it treats its most poor and marginalised, not how many tax dodging billionaires it has. Health care is a basic human right, which should be equally available to all citizens, irrespective of how much money you have. Take care.

Learned a long time ago that you can't fix it if it's bad enough. It always has to sound good to start with on recordings, so I never use channel strips to "Fix" a mix. I do however use them for a bit of sauce... I like the Eqs for guitar sometimes or piano... Even got some vocals to sweeten up a bit last night. I use the Lindal Audio 50 and 80 from Plugin Alliance. Just something about adding just a bit of harmonic distortion to guitars that really helps. They have oversampling built in so that's good, seems to help.

Another great video . Thanks Dan 👍

I for one stand by my channel strips plugins. They are so very functional and make mixing more enjoyable for me. Some of them have a nice sound as well that I may be imagining, but when used across an entire mix (SSL for instance) I do feel like there is some X-factor in the sound. All the mixes I have used them on have been better, but that might just be because they're basically the only mixes where I take care to compress and EQ every single track. I might try another approach. But it also helps that the Brainworx SSL are VERY low CPU rather than using specific EQ and compressor on every track. I can only use like 5-6 UAD plugs before things get rough.

I mean, essentially all EQ plugins are BLT-ized models of analogue EQs. (also many of my most viewed videos are ones I spent hardly any time on. In fact I was coming down off an acid trip while recording my most popular one...)

Really all that matters in a modern plugin is that you know how to use it and that you enjoy it. I don't care what digital tubes are there in Supercharger GT, I just want to turn the "Compress" and "Saturation" knobs! But I've also achieved some cool sounds even with something very digital like the stock "Fast distortion" in FL Studio.

The plugin purchasing addiction is real for me but if I am looking for something new, I'm really looking at function over whether something truly recreates something I have never touched with my hands or heard with my ears. The AMEK 200 Console strip is my case in point. Not the venerable SSL 4K that all engineers universally love but the AMEK console works for me. After purchasing so many strips in the hopes of hearing something "magical", the AMEK has something I enjoy working with. Love your videos and the technical breakdown but also appreciate the opinions as well!

Sarcasm or not. Please don't let your videos lose quality. The profound tests and information you provide accompanied by your great style of explaining things is what makes your videos so great. Get well soon!

Loved the A/B comparison at the end. As most of us are listening experts if we can't tell the difference, then I imagine we're not really trying to.

Each Worrall upload feels like Christmas.

My first channel strip plugin was the brainworx bx_console SSL 4000 E. It was mind blowing how such a package was so light on resources and easy to work with. I used it everywhere, and when they announced the 9000J I was ecstatic to have it asap. Turns out the next best thing is not so much different than the current best thing. It reminds me of the recent release of Oeksound's Bloom, where suddenly a lot of people seemed to collectively believe that doing EQ is now finally possible. It's crazy how marketing works, because it worked temporarily on me until I realized I actually already owned the same thing (Smart EQ 4). By the way, high effort video idea? Bloom vs Smart EQ vs Gullfoss vs Wavesfactory EQ. Would be fun to hear your perspective on this new generation of EQs. I resisted against it a lot until Smart EQ4 won me over with all the new features.

Onya Dan. Keep being awesome and authentic.

4:12 exactly what I try to remember every time the G.A.S. kicks in

I completely agree and I have been following your videos since forever, so I perfectly understand what you mean. That said, I’m still on a quest to understand what it is that gives me - or at least seems to give me - a deeper, rounded, fuller sound on the analogue counterpart of most emulations (like API 550s, distressors, SSL fusion, etc). I don’t understand why it’s different and why we haven’t quite managed to match it. Do you hear any of that or do you not really hear a difference/prefer plugins? It’s a genuine question, for those who believe I would ever attack Dan Worrall which for me is the biggest prophet on audio we have today haha Also, in case you wanted some human feedback past the Google statistics: the low effort videos are great, and I will keep watching/listening to every one you put out, but I don’t think they beat the high effort, example-based, screen-captured videos, which are truly what sets your channel apart from the rest of the world! Just one opinion though (of a big fan)! Thank you for all of your content!

@DanWorrall

4 ай бұрын

Whenever I use my analogue chain it feels like I'm getting extra special quality results. Weirdly that feeling persists even when I remote control analogue gear from a plugin! However, every time I try to match the sound with plugins, I succeed. With EQ I can invariably create something I can't distinguish from the analogue. And with compression I generally end up with something slightly different but equally good. So I'm forced to conclude that the extra special quality I perceive is entirely in my head. Sometimes I have fun with my analogue gear, but if I'm in any kind of a hurry I don't indulge myself.

@davids840

4 ай бұрын

I've been measuring a bunch of analog components and plugins so I'll give some things I've learned so far. A couple main things to look for are: - Saturation being non uniform across the frequency spectrum: Usually opamps tend to have a flat line with a rise on high freqs (even+odd harmonics) while transformers only low freqs (mostly odd harmonics). - Hysteresis (a change in the clipping curve dependent on the volume of the source). - Inaccuracies in stereo. I'm not talking about changing EQ curves on each channel. Usually analog designs are trimmed to have an EQ response is almost equal in both L and R channels; it's the saturation/noise/dynamic range that changes (just a subtle variance). I recommend you to use plugin doctor's Hammerstein analyzer. Compare saturations you like to those you dont. You'll have a better understanding on their differences. If you don`t find any good ones I suggest you look at VOS Thrillseeker VBL (it's free!) or, in case you have them, almost any Slate Digital Mix Rack. That being said, don`t completely throw/embrace a plugin based on plugin doctor's reading. There are differences that can't be measured this way. For example, Elysia's karacter emulates the sound of transistor pumping pretty accurate, while giving a pretty flat hammerstein read that could misinform you. Could also be the case that a company did a great emulation of an unit that is pretty "ideal" (using only good opamps that dont have that high freq saturation rise); that would look "worse" in plugin doctor. Hope it helps!

@alessandrofavero8356

4 ай бұрын

@@davids840 thank you, this is great stuff. On the topic of stereo inaccuracies, I have noticed something (completely empirically) on a few different occasions: my behringer fx2000 (behringer! Multi FX that does a million things, all digital, for very, very cheap) which is hardware, sound deeper in reverb mode than basically any plugin I own (which include the best algo stuff out there). More 3D. Now, the process is digital, but and probably not incredible algorithms either. So my only conclusion is, of which I am not sure at all, could it be that the simple fact that it’s hardware mean two different electronic channels, travelling independently and going into two different line inputs on the interface? The mere fact that they’re hardware could make a difference in depth perception because of tiny discrepancies between left and right? Be it a result in phase, harmonic distortion, even noise and whatnot? Do any of your findings correspond to my perception?

@Y0_ltr

4 ай бұрын

I do believe there might be a kind of placebo effect in this. Because visually it looks good it must sounds good right? Plus 20 years of marketing making this common believe that analog have this warmer, magic, more alive feeling. I don't know how am I right about this, but I genuinely think the phycology factor is pretty high on that matter.

@alessandrofavero8356

4 ай бұрын

@@Y0_ltr there is for sure some of that, I’ve seen it on the opposite (controlling hardware digitally), but I’ve also done some double blinds and there’s just something I like more in that department, almost every time (on some gear I don’t notice it, on some other I do). Plus the hardware reverb is hardly interactive, as I just set it up like a plugin more or less!

Great video as always, Dan. Would love to hear your thoughts on clocking... specifically, are external master clocks worth it? Or is there any difference between clocking an external preamp using a dedicated BNC cable VS clocking via ADAT for example.

@DanWorrall

3 ай бұрын

A master clock can be a good idea if you have multiple different devices that need a common clock. Not convinced it helps otherwise, but I haven't done any tests. When mixing in the box the clock can only affect what you hear anyway, as jitter is only a factor at the AD/DA stages.

@simonhartley228

3 ай бұрын

@@DanWorrall thanks Dan. Would jitter not also be a concern when recording? Although to that end, if I'm not hearing any audible issues (clicks, pops etc) can I assume that all is okay and move on with my life? My very limited understanding is that jitter would either create audible issues or wouldn't. As opposed to better clocking making things 'sound better'. Is this the case?

@DanWorrall

3 ай бұрын

@@simonhartley228 yes, also when recording. Clicks and pops would suggest more serious issues: jitter just means slight variations in the timing of the clock, which would mean slight errors in the resulting sample values, which probably just means a slightly higher noise floor.

I do love your highly detailed vids, but listening to you essentially "shoot the shit" and giving honest opinions like this are equally entertaining and satisfies my confirmation bias lol. Good work, Dan. Hope you're doing well my dude

Good video. Very good point in that generally all plugins can be snake oil in certain circumstances or magic depending on usage. And if one has an idea and a sound they want then there is plenty there to do the job without hanging on the promise of a plugin creator telling you that putting your sounds through their plugins will be magic, like making it sound like old records that engineers and mixers busted their asses achieving. With regard to government. One must not forget to ask what policies led to an increase of nearly 10 million people moving into the UK within 20 years. After that, among other policies that led to damaging self-grown service workers, it does not matter what government is in power, the issues have been already manifested.

Can you see the difference? I do, and in Argentina we are going through the same situation, before children could access very expensive medications through the state to cure or cope with cancer, not at this time with a liberal government that decided not to spend on those medications. Sorry and a thousand times sorry for the out of place intrusion for a video about music. Thanks for your videos Dan

It's not the low effort'ness that is liked. It's the more personal approach and more direct expression of your expertise that we have come to know and love over time. Regardless, keep it up!

my sound reinforcement lecturer always told us all the tools you need are in your daw we're just showing you the analogue stuff because of practicals and its cool.

So I haven't wasted thousands of pounds then .....Yaaaaeee !

Over a short period of time. Recording tech is more accessible than ever and better than what was available. Assuming this trend continues. Smartphones can have sophisticated DAW apps. Processors capable of unlimited stem separation. I often wonder when (not if) my recording studio will be obsolete. My backup plan was to sell all the gold records on the wall, only to find out: they aren't actual pure gold records! Anyways, great video as always Dan.

Thanks Dan!!!

Dan hints on the usability factor when he says you might like the layout of a non-stock plugin better than the same algorithm under a stock GUI. The same is true for hardware and software, with a controller being the synthesis of thesis and antithesis. But if you make plugins as accessible as hardware by providing enough (non-audio processing) controller hardware, you will spend in the same ballpark. Unless you don´t stick with anonymous 4x4 encoders or 8 faders that is. Which may be a preference because of bang for buck or desktop real estate. It´s great to have so many options between the extremes, everybody can find their sweet spot and be happy with it.

Channel strips are great. They add dimension depth and color to my tracks. How i set them up is that when i get a new channel strip I first I load up a channel strip on a random track and check if it raised the peak. If it did, I lower the output to match then save that as my default. And whenever I mix i load that channel strip onto every single main track minus busses and mix busses, and efx tracks like P.sends, verbs, delay, imaging etc. Currently my favrite is the SLL channel strip 2. It models a 9000. Now idk how accurate it is, i have never worked with analog gear lmao, but the A/B tests shows that it adds polish, quality, depth, etc. I love it.

I would eagerly listen to your podcasts even being unprepared because it's a rare thing to hear a sober human speaking nowadays

wonderful as usual!

plugins ARE awesome. I literally went to bed last night thinking about how awesome MeldaTransientMB and Volcano 3 are, there's just so much fun to be had 😂

I am rolling! Dropsey is a fish illness that makes goldfish unable to sink. Great video as always

dan the man.. its always a treat seeing your notification.. hope u have a great day

I’m seriously considering making a channelstrip type plugin, that will “model” various console - SSL, Neve etc, with the ability to switch between them, but then to make the only difference be the skin on the interface, and then see what the reviewers say about the difference in sound 😅 Guess it won’t work now I’ve given the game away, but anyway, thank you for once again bringing the voice of reason. No plugin will make your mix sound better if you don’t know how to use it. And even the greatest one can make your mix considerably worse if you don’t use it well

Hi Dan. I know what you mean by the scratchy knobs lol. Sometimes I like the dipping sounds I can get though My headphone output on my MOTU M4. Is there any such plugin that emualtes this? Especially when it creates a kind of stereo effect where LR channels change volumes at different rates and even sometime dropout for a millisecond?