"if you have to boost the signal by over 100db to hear the problem, it's not really a problem" that cracked me up

@FurkanTopal

Жыл бұрын

:D

@MichaelW.1980

Жыл бұрын

I was more like „Amen!“ But yea, it’s kinda funny how people tend to make a big fuss over a whole lot of nothing. 😅

"Pfft, I'm not watching 20 minutes of dither explanation...." *20mins later* "Well that was thoroughly interesting and well worth the time."

@vincemurrain9617

3 жыл бұрын

I swear 😂😂😂

@Tekkerue

3 жыл бұрын

It seems you severely underestimated Dan Worrall's power. If Dan uploads a 2 hour video on grass growing... you're going to watch the whole damn thing. 😂

@rea9lizer

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Dan Worrall and you made my day

@BarryWarne

2 жыл бұрын

Tekkerue where do I find this grass growing vid?

@haui82

2 жыл бұрын

It's called the Dan Worrall effect.

“this is probably more attenuation than the mute button on most analog consoles” lmao

I feel like a broken machine repeating this, but again you've shown that you're a real audio ENGINEER. Gearsluz and other audio forums are so stock full of old wives tales, rumours, misconceptions and "i just feel like it man" attitude towards these concepts that it's sickening. People just need to realize that what you feel or think you hear is never what really is happening and why. Be like Dan, be scientific, be well read... be an engineer.

@mrhay

4 жыл бұрын

The only videos I watch and share basically. The Internet is so full of misinformation and half-truths. Be careful out there!

@henriquematias1986

4 жыл бұрын

exactly, i have heard so many stories from people who don't do "null tests", that's so 90's ! i think the best was once when someone was demoing a compressor to me and was telling me it was "sounding much better" and the gain reduction was not even being hit.

@infinaneek

4 жыл бұрын

Agree, tho I would say this is more DSP than traditional PCB engineering.

@Kyp031

4 жыл бұрын

Except none of that matters when your an 18year old who produced some Billie eilish crap that has major recognition.. So that doesn't matter really either

@Syklonus

4 жыл бұрын

If you're "sickened" by that then you don't have a very strong constitution. In other words, who cares what other people do? When amateurs mess up it means more business for people who actually know stuff. You're smelling a little bit like an elitist there brah.

1.) Use 16-bit dither for creating 16 bit files. 2.) Use 24-bit dither for creating 24 bit files. 3.) 16-bit dithering should be done only once. 4.) Dithering is the very final step, even after sample rate conversion. 5.) Use 16-bit dithered files as resources for latter mp3 conversions. 6.) Don't see 'Dither' like a 'Disaster'. Music production has many other steps that deserve more attention. No point of overly worrying about this. _learned all these thanks to Dan_ ❤🙏

@VAEOMMusic

3 жыл бұрын

when I want to convert to MP3, I should first export 16 bit dithered file and then export MP3??

@dulmin_

3 жыл бұрын

@@VAEOMMusic can your DAW export .mp3 directly?

@VAEOMMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@dulmin_ yes. I use studio one and it supports MP3 export. What should I do? I work at 48k sample rate and want to export 320 kbps 44.1k mp3

@dulmin_

3 жыл бұрын

@@VAEOMMusic I also use Studio One, but I'm used to dither by FFProL2 plugin. So for answering this question, I had to watch another KZread video to find how Dithering can be enabled in StudioOne itself (if you are not using a specific plugin to Dither). Here's what I found :- 1. Go to "Options" window (accessible via "Studio One" dropdown below title bar at top). 2. In "Advanced" category, under "Audio" sub-category, enable *"Use dithering for playback and audio file export"* 3. Hit 'OK' (the window will then close with changes applied) Since you've enabled dithering now, once you are exporting your MP3 (at 320kbps 44.1kHz), the file such exported should be automatically dithered. However I'm not familiar with this method, since I do dithering by FFProL2 plugin (so the aforementioned option for StudioOne's own dithering isn't enabled in mine). I assume you know how to export. If not ; well it is done by "Export Mixdown" window accessed by the "Song" dropdown below the title bar at top. In the "Format" region of that window, you can select "MP3 File", and set your preferred attributes (44.1kHz / 320 kbps). I suggest to use Constant bitrate. Since we're supposed to choose a 'bitrate' here (rather than _'bit depth'_ as in Wave exporting), I don't think there's any "16bit / 24bit / etc." choice to be made during mp3 exporting. Besides, mp3 's can't be in 24 bit, which is why if you're supposed to create an .mp3 file using an existing .wav file, it's advised to use a 16bit .wav for that conversion (not a 24bit/32bit .wav)

@dulmin_

3 жыл бұрын

@@VAEOMMusic *If you can export 'mp3' directly from the DAW (with dithering enabled), that's totally fine.* No need of exporting 'wav' and then converting to 'mp3'. But if a DAW can't export 'mp3' directly (such that you have to export a 'wav', then convert it to 'mp3' by a *SEPARATE CONVERTER APP* ), there you have to make sure that 'wav' file (taken from the DAW) is 16bit.

Preparing an extensive tutorial (with examples, verification tests) isn't easy - it's exhausting, boring, time consuming. etc. Imagine bearing all that stress singlehandedly, for making a free tutorial for others! That's an unbelievable attitude👌👌❤ Again, thank you very much, Mr. Dan

Not surprised Reaper handles MP3 so well, since the guy who wrote Reaper wrote WinAMP :) Great content as always! Thanks!

@Ziqohth

3 жыл бұрын

oh man thats cool. i love winamp.

@Micahtmusic

2 жыл бұрын

i never realized that

@Jaburu

2 жыл бұрын

does it? afaiui from the video it should have dithered the audio before converting

@nexusobserve

2 жыл бұрын

that is cool woah

@SkyyySi

2 жыл бұрын

It says right on that page that it uses the LAME encoder. So FL studio will most likely behave exactly the same - just as any other software that probably implements that encoder. Or any software that uses mp3s properly for that matter.

Not quite sure why I decided to watch this whilst in the midst of one of the worst hangovers I've ever had, but it still made sense.

@queenpurple8433

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@AutPen38

2 жыл бұрын

I don't always go to the pub on a Friday night, but when I do I get absolutely dithered.

@Sasq2890

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutPen38 dithered, lol. I’ll have to remember that!

You'd have to crank the audio to such insane ear bleeding murderous levels to hear that you forgot to dither your 24bit production that no one would be alive to tell the tale.

"don't forget to dither the like button" that killed me

I love how many times you go 'seriously, no one is ever going to notice. Now, let's render it again-' very accurate.

Thanks to this video, I've made an Ableton rack where I have a macro to attenuate up to 95db that also boosts the same amount, with a reduction to 16-bit in-between. Delicious, dialable quantization error!

@mal2ksc

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that called a bitcrusher?

4:38 - "oh dear"

Literally the most interesting tutorial on dither I've ever had. I know that's a low bar, but you just raised it by 108dB Dan!

Leave gearslutz and listen to Dan Worrall

@mrbensvoicebox

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like Danworralslutz.com could be an exciting prospect in more ways than one.

@sleepCircle

4 жыл бұрын

absotutely

Dan, I love you. As an audio engineer still in my learning curve, you always answer the relevant technical questions I need answered, and never give me those bullshit tips "guarante[ing me] that [my] tracks will sound 20% better", according to the imaginary unit metric of bettertracksology. Keep it up.

@ToddBeal

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir.

@Notinserviceij

5 ай бұрын

No one stops learning to be fair 😉

"this time the noise isnt as obnoxious sounding" me over here dying from the near 15k dentist drill

this 20 minute video was more explanatory than a mastering book's dithering section.. thank you!

You're tutorials are always a joy to watch. Insightful and entertaining at the same time.

Awesome video, as always Dan! I love your style and format, you're very good at doing voiceovers too!

That extra step of lowering 44.8 to 44.1hz BEFORE truncating, never heard that from any where else! Thanks for the info!

you're doing such a great job in really showing and comparing the technical details in a simple, understandable way! So great! Also there's way too many people on youtube repeating the same cliché phrases and prejudices about Mixing without really double-checking and I'm so so thankful that there's people like you, who cut through all the bullsh** and keeping straight to the facts. And then there's your plain way of presentation, very clear communicated in a pleasant tone and speed. So easy to learn from you. Thank you so very much!

I never thought i could be engrossed in any video about Dither. But Dan you are the man! Great helpful and informative Video. Thank you!

As someone from the RF engineering world, watching these videos is just fascinating. There's so much in common between audio and radio, the same fundamental mathematics and a significant overlap in terminology, but there's enough differences that it feels almost uncanny at points.

@alertsemail7057

Жыл бұрын

sounds are frequencies right? so that totally makes sense to a layman like me

@Will-qx9vm

8 ай бұрын

I am a hobby EDM producer and I worked for a short time in a Radio station, the equipment and plugins/software you use are fascinating and some are unheard for music producers

@AJMansfield1

8 ай бұрын

@@Will-qx9vm Probably the two techniques I'm most surprised don't see use in the audio space are frequency mixing and quadrature/IQ sampling. Sure, additively shifting the frequency content of a sample is less "musical" than the logarithmic pitch shifts that audio people usually reach for, but unlike pitch shifting there's no phase discontinuity problems you need some extra intelligent algorithm for, and the effect is basically free computationally speaking. And, while audio files wouldn't actually be smaller if stored using an IQ sample format (since the frequency content of audio is so close to baseband), it _would_ make nearly all effects processing algorithms more efficient, and enable dealing with phase issues in less awkward ways. (In fact, a lot of algorithms literally start by resampling the input to IQ, and end by resampling IQ back to the output format.)

@JazzyFizzleDrummers

7 ай бұрын

We do use frequency mixing/ring mods in sound design/synthesis but its generally far less useful for most applications because it 1) isnt much good on polyphonic sources because it doesnt preserve the ratios between notes. We usually work in EDO tuning systems like 12tet and destroying those relationships render those shifts pointless 2) It requires back of the napkin calculations that slow down production. You'd need a program to streamline it regardless.

This will be the go to link posted on every dithering flamewar thread in the English speaking world for the next 20 years. If it were possible to buy stock of KZread videos, I'd go long on this one.

@d5uncr

4 жыл бұрын

Well, except that it's a very artificial demonstration showing a technical detail that's more or less completely irrelevant in the real world... How many people do you know who listen to music at +60 or +108dB? Dithering is free, so there's no penalty in using it, but except for some really extreme cases it's also mostly unnecessary.

@sleepCircle

4 жыл бұрын

@@d5uncr do you know what flame wars are? they are usually people arguing passionately about things which are irrelevant to most of the world.

@ToddBeal

3 жыл бұрын

@@d5uncr That was Dan's whole point: at those extreme levels, dithering is the last thing you should worry about - focus on the music production. Watch again and listen to the point he is making.

@d5uncr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ToddBeal Well, his #1 rule at 9:54 is "Always use dither when creating a 16bit file". That should also have had the caveat that his 24bit rule has : "no one will ever know if you don't". As I said "Dithering is free, so there's no penalty in using it". But to quote Monty Montgomery (of Xiph, creators of ogg/vorbis and opus, fame) : "No one ever ruined a great recording by forgetting to dither the final master". The "Digital Show & Tell" video on the Xiph site is well worth watching when it comes to dithering. That segment starts at the 9 minute mark.

Glad this channel popped up in my recommendations. Concise & specific content is what I look for on KZread now a days. Most of what I want to find is kind of hard to find w/o sifting through a whole bunch of filler or is only beginner-intermediate levels of expertise.

Fantastic stuff. I always love to see a new video from Dan.

Thank you for providing us with so much well versed knowledge as always Dan!

There's a floating point in your life, in which you feel safe to write that this video about 16 bit sorcery is not a smoky unshaped burst of noise. - Thank you for dithering us into the topic.

Incredible run-through, sir! Thank you for all the concise, methodical and astoundingly illuminating videos-it's so helpful and reassuring to finally get (somewhat) of a grip on these concepts.

That mp3 ending really blew my mind! Awesome video with great insights, thanks!!

The way you broke all this down finally made it make sense. Thanks for showing the examples and tests of how you tested the daw dither. After testing the stock FL Studio dither compared to Ozone, the Ozone was slightly smoother with the noise shaping engaged.

This completely explains the weird stuff in the stems of a client of mine, no wonder I didn't have a clue what was happening. And it probably is the last time I will ever come across this again in my life, thank you for solving the mystery Dan!

Dan for president. Always such great content and so well presented 👌🏻

Lovely, been doing audio for years and never quite really got my head around dither. This was very explanatory and informative. Thank you sir.

One of my new favorite channels. I love falling asleep listening to someone calmly talk about sound mastering techniques.

Great explanation for intricate facts that were well beyond my scope before watching this video. Thanks, Dan! *Thumbs up*

Real thorough but clear explanation. Thanks!

Hi Dan, Just a little message to tell you that I am amazed by your videos. As an amateur musician & home studio "sound engineer" ;-) , these are a lot of subjects that I was aware "in general", but the way that you dive into them, with visual/audible examples, is really excellent. Now I really understand the details of dither, oversampling, non linear plugins, etc... and the real repercussions on our audio needs, which is the most important. Now I know how and when to use these tools efficiently. More than that, your english flow is perfect for a non native english speaker (I'm french). Thanks again and keep the good work.

I and many other people learning audio are so, so grateful for you Dan!! Thank you so much. Great examples presented clearly and gently as always.

Thanks for the video Dan. Very informative as usual!

I do not know in which format to thank you for expanding on this topic the way you did here! All rendered into great and helpful material. To learn, is all that dithers. Every single bit !

What an informative treat. Dan is the man. I now know dither - Thank you.

This is by far the best dither explanation I have ever seen

Useful Info. High level of dedication. thanx dan

What a great explanation and video. Dan=Quality

Such a great video answering all the questions about the dither! Thank you very much Dan!

This is an excellent video! Really filled in some important details for me regarding things I've been wondering about for some time. I'll be making changes in the way I do certain things. Maybe they won't be noticeable, but if there's a right way to do it, and a wrong way, might as well do it the right way.

Insightful as ever, thanks Dan.

Came here to watch another tutorial. Found the new benchmark for tutorials in general. Thank you!

This is great, and I have only one comment. Even with highly dynamic material nobody will hear 16 bit truncation distortion on decaying reverb tails. Just as you had to amplify the snare files by 60 dB to hear the differences shown in this video, you'd have to raise the playback volume at least 40-50 dB to hear that distortion on very soft passages. Of course nobody does that while listening to music, unless they're doing experiments like the ones shown here.

@DanWorrall

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Ethan, good to see you here! I suspect you're right of course. I well remember when a DAW I used to use turned out to have a bug in the 16 bit dither and no one had noticed for over a year... But its already controversial enough to suggest that 24 bit dither doesn't matter, so that will do for now ;)

@EthanWiner

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall LOL, you know me, I embrace controversy. :->)

@DanWorrall

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I've noticed :)

I don't know why but I imagine there's some emotional person going to get pissed off by this video. brilliant stuff.

@Dan Worrall: This was the best, and most clear video on the subject of dithering!

really excellent video. This is the ultimate dither video i needed to get an understanding of how dithering worked.

Wow. That's the best explanation of what the heck dither is I've seen yet. All the stupid articles I read before made no sense, and bam, you just demonstrated what it does in a way you can hear.

Another excellent vid, as always. Cheers!

This is so helpful and interesting. Also, it's nice to have rules of thumb for seemingly complicated concepts like dither. Glad to know I should turn on dither now, for years I haven't been exporting with dither of any kind and I couldn't tell the difference.

best video about dither I've seen well done! spot on!

I just used this method to test my own dithering and bit reduction plug-in. Thanks for such an informative video!

That's some golden content, thank you for that!

I know about dither, but i also know Dan's gonna tell me something i don't so here goes...

Fantastic! Best explanation of dither I have ever seen.

this is the first time ive watched your video. youre amazing!

This is one of the best videos ever

For the first time a clear example of how it really works. Thanks.

The best dither video I've ever seen. "Best" because it helped me understand what dither is and how to use with it.

This is absolutely brilliant! So well presented! I got the repost from Ian. 👊🏻❤️

I got a new favorite channel I think... THANK YOU!

Your videos started popping up in my feed. I think they're great. Don't let my handle fool you... I've been a professional musician and engineer for over forty years. Keep up the good work.

FINALLY, I understand how dithering works. Thank you: SUBSCRIBED!

Once again, incredibly amazing explanation of a concept I previously knew nothing about. Thank you Dan!

@DuneArchitect

7 ай бұрын

My process has become this: 1. Export my mixdown file with no dither as a 32-bit WAV file 2. Import the file into RX for phase correction, save again as a 32-bit WAV 3. Pull the file into my DAW for mastering. 4. Now, when exporting the fully mastered track, I can export a 16-bit WAV or FLAC file with dither, only having applied it once with no loss of dynamic range or extra dithering earlier in the process This is most likely overkill, but will ensure the best end product consistently when dealing with any content that includes a large dynamic range

Your amazing work shows that most other explanations on youtube and especially forums are just the result or opinions of wannabe-creators. To me, making music is fun and should not be too serious or get stuck by the will to sound more professional than I am currently. Getting better and learning the stuff behind the DAWs is interesting and a longer process. The information to understand that world has to be from guys like you! Maybe 1 out of 10 video creators I know have the REAL knowledge AND ability to explain it for beginners. Thank you.

Superb tutorial, Dan! Thank you very much!

Yes!! DAN WORALL HAS HIS OWN CHANNEL!! LET'S GOOO!!

Once again nailed it! Thank you!

that was one of the most social responsible sound engineering tutorials I’ve seen in my entire life. considering how this matter really deserves the least % of attention compared to anything else production related, and however making this extremely nuanced showcase, knowing that basically almost everyone has still this question in mind - regardless of amount of practical experience and theoretical knowledge in working with sound. I fucking applause to the genuine educational contribution to the community that this video is. classy as fuck.

Hermoso! gracias Dan por tu inclinación pedagógica, excelente conclusión final!

Awsome tutorial once again!

just discovered the channel, best audio instructor out there!

The Best Audio Engineering Teacher On KZread🥺🥺❤️❤️

Thanks for this. Informative as always.

This is brilliant, thank you!

Great video, Dan! Thanks.

Amazing video. I only had a very basic understanding of what dither was, but the examples really helped drive home what exactly was happening. I had a teacher at school who was very knowledgeable about this stuff, but rambled a lot and spoke way too quickly for me to get everything. Once again, the KZread education pulls through!

That was FASCINATING!!!

This was a fascinating exercise. Thanks so much for this video. I learned so much.

Thanks for being dithered to make this video.

I didn't know David Attenborough did audio editing tutorials... Really though, great job man. Clear explanation and a very soothing voice to go along with it.

I never would have guessed I could be mesmerized for 22 minutes about dithering. I ran this test with FabFilter Pro-L 2 and decided that I still liked Reaper's native noise-shaped dither better than any of the Pro-L2's noise shaping modes.

@ToddBeal

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting.

I swear I thought this was going to be about as interesting as watching a national geographic special on "insect mating calls". However this was really well planned out and interesting. Loved it. thank you.

Superb and easy to follow explanation.

pressing like without seeing content means only one -> Dan Worrall... anyway I have VST prestes called with your name nahhhh

You deserve more subs. 16.3k is far too low for the knowledge you give us. Thanks again!

@DanWorrall

4 жыл бұрын

16.5k now :) Glad you like!

@mauriziomauricone

2 жыл бұрын

42K one year later! LOL

@Notinserviceij

5 ай бұрын

​@@mauriziomauricone113k 2 years later

This is absolutely brilliant.

Excellent information and explanation. Thank you 🙃

Wow, great video! Thanks a lot! Just found your channel from watching the White Sea Studio.

Thanks so much! Being able to perform my own tests following along got rid of so much mystery of what was happening.

Very good! Very informative and well demonstated.

Very Interesting. Thx for your work...

This was really helpfull and easy to understand. Thanks!