Glad to see you asking for safety gear. So many channels I watch, the creators think they are bullet proof. Currently building a shower and I've learned a lot from your content.

I had a customer that was in financial hardship and had the same issue. I told them i'll try something to get this working but no guarantees and only pay for the new tile since i had the other material. The supporting flooring lumber was in good shape. I removed the existing drain and drain body; applied Redgard liquid membrane over scarified clean tile, 2" up the wall surround and inside the drain hole; applied a 2" mortar bed over the tile pitched to center drain; applied a second layer of redgard then tiled the flooring and portion of the wall with modified thinset. I'm in NY and the basement height was about 7'H. That's what i did 9 years ago and it still fine. I would never recommend this repair but it worked

"i don't like spiders, i don't like spiderwebs" -TileCoach 🤣🤣

Everyone is amazed..well if your bathroom has a chance to go through a wet dry cycle...and mortar is sloped properly...this is a testament to what can be done....meanwhile every manufacturer and contractor wants to sell you the newest... membranes, curb material... waterproofing...new plumbing.....I can tell you this that those floor joist are to one side..of the load bearing beam, creating alot of deflection on that concrete mortar pan.....big bucks Wendy....👍 Thanks tile coach

A bunny suit is less than $20. It keeps the fiberglass AND spiders off of you when you're crawlin'. I also wear a full face respirator wit P100 pancake filters when working in crawls... that keeps EVERYTHING out of your lungs and eyes too!

@johnbouldin9033

5 ай бұрын

Except the masks fog up after 5 minutes.

@JeremySpidle

5 ай бұрын

@@johnbouldin9033 No, it doesn't. A properly donned and functioning full-face respirator is very reliable. It is EASIER to see while wearing one, especially when you are working overhead, as it keeps 100% of debris out of your eyes.

@johnklein1144

4 ай бұрын

What about doing tile over tile?

Waiting until you got back into the house to take off your filthy hoodie was a power move. Also. You jacked bro.

@cowslinger64

6 ай бұрын

Lol, I laughed at him doing that too.

“I’ve never seen anything like this” then turns around and say “typically when we see this there’s more water damage” 😂 contractors ALWAYS have the same script 😂 😂😂

My house was built in 1964, when I ripped the original shower out, the only waterproofing was a 1mil plastic sheet under the mortar bed. Needless to say the water damage was extensive. I had to replace every sill plate in the bathroom, luckily it was slab on grade so I didn’t have any subfloor damage.

Gotta say o tile is one of the best! He is here to stay for the duration! Your work is warranted….

Woulda been something to crawl all the way from the other side of the house, just to go by another opening right there 😂

Coach You’re unbelievable I’m learning so much from your videos that it’s going to save me a lot of money on two shower upgrades in my house God bless

In the San Francisco Bay Area in the 60's I can't ever remember seeing any showers with sloped shower pans or even pebbles around the weep holes. Most of the pans were hot mops and at best the hot moppers might try and slope their tar a little bit. But as time went on and codes became more stringent and the need for improvements became evident new products appeared such as hot mop slope boards along with an array of other new innovations in shower pans. So this shower pan does not surprise me but I am amazed there is no water damaged wood. Thanks for all the great videos, 52 years of setting tile and I am still learning! lol😀

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

Hot mop is still my favorite water proofing

"I'm just weird" Isaac- no comment 🤣

My exact problem! Spare shower rarely used cracked when it started getting daily use. Going to tear it all out and either do it myself or hire somebody. Thank you Issaic for the knowledge you are teaching us.

That’s some really cool wallpaper!

TC you know your stuff but I do hope that you've done additional support from underneath to those existing subfloor planks. They are definitely flexing! Especially under all the weight of old-school float walls, mud bed plus the weight of a person in that shower. That is the reason why floor cracked in a such particular cross pattern from wall to curb all the way and from other wall to wall across. Am curious to see if you'll have a followup video. 💪

@bvictory5698

6 ай бұрын

Yea I think it would just crack again down the road when it weakens and flex’s more.

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

The diagonal 1x and 2x tg subfloor was standard in the 30-60s and is not an issue with a hot mop system. I remodeled hundreds of bathrooms in the bay area many including my own home was just like this. One of the biggest issues in some areas of California is the adobe clay soil. The expansion and contraction can be quite severe.

My house was built in 1962. I had a similar setup in a shower that I replaced earlier this year in a big bathroom remodel job. From the looks of that wood that shower didn't get used much.

awesome video and honest opinion.

Hope you get the job. Wendy is good looking too. Love the wallpaper

These are the videos I like., the challenges .

I’m liking the lotus sweatshirt!!

The felt was used as an uncoupling membrane. In the era that this shower was built, a copper or rubber pan, integrated into the floor drain was used. No waterproofing was used, other than quality cement work, tile work and grouting.

Down here in south west Georgia USA 🇺🇸 we love your videos 0:33

@TileCoach

6 ай бұрын

Thank you Georgia!

@ervinlosha1333

6 ай бұрын

Georgia did you steal your name?

@wolfpackz.7476

5 ай бұрын

​@@TileCoach Down here in dallasTexas, we love your videos too👍

Interesting to see the different home construction methods throughout the country. Here in South Florida we have concrete slabs mostly so we wouldn’t see issues like this (but certainly other kinds).

@truthseeker7794

6 ай бұрын

Here in the UK resin shower trays are quite common. It's just moulded concrete/stone with resin bonded to the top that slopes up to form a lip like a very shallow bath. They're about inch and and a half deep and completely water proof. They come with adjustable legs or some just sit on a bed of sand and cement. When they're fitted you just need silicon between the tray and walls. Really easy to use. A tray would have fitted easily on this job without any other waterproofing.

@inchristalone25

2 ай бұрын

I'm in Florida and our tile shower was leaking out into the garage through the slab, it appears they just put the tiles right on the slab in a step down shower. I haven't found anything about that kind of shower on youtube yet. We re-caulked everything really well and it stopped leaking but the thing is in bad shape at 18 yrs old.

I would bet that it was a guest bedroom and the bathroom was rarely used - the reason for lack of mold. Since you're in the Bay Area, perhaps it was seismic activity that cracked it; making them use the bath even less.

That was how it was done in that time. Tar paper and really well mixed Portland cement and sand.

My house was built in 1957 and had the same tile, mud cap, and float.... that curb was thicc

Tripping wallpaper

I would expect seasonal expansion/contraction of the 2x subfloor, even in your climate. Up here in the PNW, we will watch our soffit and siding material move like crazy as the seasons change. Cedar, pine, fir.. it all expands and contracts. We can install a t&g soffit with zero gaps in the winter, and when summer comes around we will see 1/16” gaps everywhere. My first shower project is coming up and I’ve decided to use either 3/4 MDO or a marine ply under the foam pan.

@anadromous9200

6 ай бұрын

Remember, 3/4 CDX ply is designed to be laid with 1/8” gap’s between sheets, to allow for seasonal expansion and contraction. I don’t know enough about shower pans to say whether or not this is an issue, but it certainly cannot be a variable that works to the installers advantage.

@2bluehorse

6 ай бұрын

Check out AdvanTech 23/32-in x 4-ft x 8-ft OSB (Oriented Strand Board) Subfloor

That 2 x1-1/2 adapter no hub band didn't look to old...

@MoneyManHolmes

6 ай бұрын

Maybe I’m way off, but my first hunch was 1990’s. The shower was tiled around the vanity top, and the top doesn’t look overly retro.

The fact the crawl space is that free and that there's virtually no waterproofing is why there's no rot. Rot happens when there's something soaking it and it doesn't breathe, the fact half of these planks were in an areated crawlspace was this owner's saving grace. If they were in between floors with insulation, it would've been a nightmare.

@TileCoach

6 ай бұрын

I agree...OSB, plywood, particle board, or insulation would have made this a whole different scenario.

@fyt54321

6 ай бұрын

And the information from the homeowner that the shower probably hasn't been used since as far back as the 1980s when leaks or cracks were first observed. This total lack of shower use for 20-40 years probably helped considerably in the lack of long-term water damage. 🙂

We have house built in the early 70ies. The shower walls in the tub were put directly on the drywall. It was used every day by 2 children until 2000. The grout at the tub failed and the tiles got soft at the bottom. I replaced it with a fiberglass tub and shower unit. Were you able to see if the walls had deteriorated.

Older houses with a plank subfloor used felt paper on the entire floor, that's not for waterproofing it's a vapor barrier. They counted on the tile being waterproof.

i believe this was a closet at first and the shower was added . That collar attaching the drain looks newer than 1959

The cracks are the only Problem. Of course now we have water proofing materials, but back than the shower was fine without all the plastic stuff we use today. The shower worked perfekt until it broke.

Are tile shower's better on a house built with a slab Foundation? Or should i just do a 1 piece prefab, after watching your videos I am scared of doing a tile shower.

So.. how much did u charge for that.? We need that information to know if we are competitive

I was looking for Mosaic tile yesterday for a client. I stumbled across a bbw mermaid Mosaic... Why would they even make that haha 😂 something for everyone I guess 🤷‍♂️😂

I don't like it, but it's gotta be done, and then you do it. That's when you know that this guy is determined to fix it right the first time. Todays world, that work ethic has been disappearing at an alarming rate.

@spudluver47

6 ай бұрын

nObOdY wAnTS to WOrk aNYmOre

@MeepChangeling

6 ай бұрын

No it isn't. You're just not paying people enough to care about doing the work in the first place.

They knew how to waterproof showers in the 1960s. This was done on the cheap by someone that didn't know what they were doing. Aside from the lack if waterproofing with the pan, the pan was put in after the wall tile.

might wanna renovate the wall paper while your at it, this place is dated to about 1979

Hope you charged her for your time and consultation and probably right will go with cheapest bid

Looks like the shower drain wasn’t properly supported by the subfloor. Maybe someone was cutting out old pipe and didn’t properly support the shower drain, and that caused the break.

Good advantage to be 1st floor. 2nd floor that leak would show immediately.

I demoed a shower once that had roll roofing on the walls and floor. I would guess it was from the 40s

How do you get these gigs tile coach? Do you charge the customer for your demo work?

@TileCoach

6 ай бұрын

People reach out to me via email or tilecoach.com submissions. I offer to do the demo and investigation for free in exchange for allowing me to make an educational video and a chance to get awarded the repair/replace work.

@Astros-dz4bx

6 ай бұрын

@@TileCoach Interesting.. On average, how many ask you to do the repair versus not?

@danslamusique

6 ай бұрын

@@TileCoach right on, ✅️ it's nice that you're able to afford to do that although I'm sure it really helps you to win those jobs, and I really appreciate the educational content and your independence in providing that. I learned on my own doing the pvc liner system which I was always worried about failing and have since changed to doing flofx universal, mud pan with kerdi overlapping the flange 2.5", then encased the whole thing in hydroban. I gained the knowledge to adopt this system by learning from your videos and it makes me way more confident in doing shower installs.

I call those showers in that kinda shape the "frag out"

The only time I’ve seen shower pan tile crack is from wood swelling from moisture…Or some person using concrete for a mortar bed….Yea…Some General contractors try to do tile….They call it pouring a pan! Lol! Soup it up and move it around…😆

Fix it for her, and show us the repair 😎

Do you take your mask off for the camera? They do make a huge difference around mold and insulation?

100% full gut... i wouldn't even offer a repair on that 40 year old shower.

Someone get Isaac a headlamp.

@TileCoach

6 ай бұрын

Yes please! Send to 4447 Granite Dr. Rocklin CA 95677

@travisk5589

6 ай бұрын

@@TileCoach lol. I will drop it off in person when I get back from Idaho.

@MoneyManHolmes

6 ай бұрын

Now you’re gonna get like a dozen of them 😂

@travisk5589

6 ай бұрын

@@MoneyManHolmes I will get him a good one, like an petzl, and 5 shit ones.

You need to realize that water proofing has come a long way in 45 years, we didn't have a whole bunch of options back then.

Weird wallpaper, hate wallpaper in bathrooms but that is her preference.

I should have lead pan or shower liner

What about using that old bs as your "foundation" membrane over that then new thin set and grout and title on top. Raising it just 1/4" 1/2", gut the middle for a new drain??

Holy smokes, the shower area its so small, can't even fit a cat there.. lol

Tar paper on the subfloor and a mud pack. That’s the way it used to be done.

She's definitely going with the cheapest bid

my original shower was exactly like that and built in 1978 , as an add on, but it had a rubber shower pan so looks like whoever did that shower just used what they had

I’m from Baltimore Maryland and yes we do got basements but we also have crawlspaces too and a lot of our counties unless it’s a add-on or an addition bathroom we only got about between 12 inches maybe 18 if the house was done correctly or it’s not a old house from the mill area in Northwest Baltimore and old historic Camden😮 they got some shades in the back of the yard up there that people built around that were old outhouses that they’ve excavated and turned into toilets and powder rooms, but it’s like why can’t some shit be a little bit easier I’m thankful I’m only 165 pounds and I’m 5 foot eight muscular build but I’m smaller than you and my little ass gets up in the areas but I got the other day try to give me a shoebox opening next to a gas meter and I’m like how do I get pipe wrenches in there and my little arms, God bless what you’re doing brother I need to check out the full video of that house you went back to. I started to watch it and I lost it where it was like one of your first jobs and the material off the factory drain edge failed.!! it’s Man you go back and reevaluate it and look how you do things a lot different and better!!! I wish you a lot of luck in this year of 24 and safety along with it bro all the way from Baltimore city

Anything I’ve ever ripped out from that vintage had a lead pan

Don’t Go with the cheapest Guy Wendy! Go with Tile Coach! Would love to see an update on this video to see if she goes with you and what you would do!

She’s going with the cheapest bid. Don’t do it Wendy.

@ssl3546

6 ай бұрын

I really doubt it, she obviously watches the videos if she e-mailed him to come out and give an inspection.

@travisk5589

6 ай бұрын

I gave a lady a bid to fix her shower. She tried to low ball me. I said no thanks. She got the lowest bidder. He destroyed the shower. She called me to fix it. I gave her a higher bid. She accepted.

@ervinlosha1333

6 ай бұрын

​@travisk5589 we see it all the time lol

@Fireship1

6 ай бұрын

Cheap labor isn’t skilled and skilled labor isn’t cheap!

@amattson6578

6 ай бұрын

The cheapest bid in California is probably $20k to repair it, lol

At first I was expecting a lead pan

Just fill the cracks with clear silicone. 😂

You never want “the drip”.

Type d paper, aka stucco paper

I would have put some caulking in there. 🙃

Likes when it's not "cookie cutter" in the same breath "let's keep a 4" white Daltile ceramic."

thats one small shower...big house lil shower lol

This video has been up 7 minutes and has 120 views.

@MoneyManHolmes

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. Please update everyone again at 9:06.

@briandesilets8425

6 ай бұрын

Lol. Sorry. Took a nap. As a contractor in a previous life, it blows my mind how much attention the trades are now getting. Makes me happy.

@TileCoach

6 ай бұрын

Haha. I was trying to figure out if that was an insult or a compliment. Yes, the trades are where its at!!!@@briandesilets8425

Felt board 50 60,

That's how it was done back in the 70s

If you can't stop water, at least let it drain easily. That's what the ancients did in this shower.

Dude , you need to invest in a good set of coveralls.

@suspicionofdeceit

6 ай бұрын

Nah, just crawl then head directly back into the client’s domicile.

@stevebetker829

6 ай бұрын

@@suspicionofdeceitlol. I’m not going under there unless I were wearing coveralls. It keeps the bugs and dirt off you and keeps them from starting a new family in your home.

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

How are you supposed to spread asbestos in the house

OMG! This shower was built in the 60's-70's.... Possible insurance Restoration later in the showers life.

Cant u just use paint to waterproof nowadays?!

Id say that shower wasnt used much at all, she said the main one is nearby

I hate water damage

That looks to be a 50's or early 60's shower.

Definitely could have been redone. Just wasn't enough money in the job for him to do the floor over!

@AK-ky3ou

6 ай бұрын

No, he would do it. The difference in price wouldn’t be worth it for her to just do the pan and lower 3 rows.

@ssl3546

6 ай бұрын

bro you can't just do the floor, you have to go up a foot at least to contain the water, and the curb has to be replaced. And he pointed out the fixtures are about shot and now's the time to replace them. the tile hasn't been made in 50 years. it makes zero sense to patch it up.

Crawl spaces don’t breathe enough to avoid rot. Only explanation is that this is a two-shower suite. The smaller shower must have gotten used less, and once cracked, not at all… for years.

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

Thats not true, we have literally engineer vented crawl space in that region for 100 years. I agree though that unvented crawl space is the best standard for building science, especially in cold and hot humid climates

@inchristalone25

2 ай бұрын

I'm just scrolling these comments and saw your user name and pic and thought to myself that guy looks familiar. Turns out it's Travis Burch! Small world. But I agree with your comment once it cracked it wasn't used (unlike my shower that leaked for 4 yrs).

it did last decades tho

Drop in a pre fab base, Slicone and jobs done.

@nailbndr9869

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, don't go into the tile trade, it's not for you

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

Lol how are you gonna drop a prefab base

this shower was built in the 70s or 80s, wendy how old is this house its built in 59.. see zack i was right lol hahha... sorry i had too. lol

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

59 shower is right

Yikes

I vote for putting a new layer of roofing paper down and a concrete bed and tile and it will last another 50 years. whats the problem??

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

I would have cut the tng out from underneath and red guarded the mortar bed and reinstalled the tng

I thought at first that lady wasn't wearing pants and it was tattoos i was looking at. 😮

Easily a $25,000 repair

@richardkenae459

6 ай бұрын

NO $6500TOPS

@h2s142

6 ай бұрын

Depends if the car is a tesla s or plaid

This is such bullshit.. This shower dont need to be ripped out. You can repair this shower with some fine print in your contract. Why would you have to rip out anything above the 12 to 18inches is beyond me