I even put a massive reminder for myself to not forget trollhammer and I still did. TLDR Trollhammer A Tier, basically like having extra bombs at will which is great at elite killing and boss damage but it’s long reload time and low ammo count prevents it from being overpowered. Still good otherwise though

@aspiringmarauder666

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

@Jijiweepee

2 жыл бұрын

NGL I’d put Trollhammer in the same tier as throwing axe. The slow reload/lack of special killing power and copious amount of friendly fire damage is just off the charts. It’s a literal “troll” of a weapon XD

@zinstonehead

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Jijiweepee No. It has saved me and the whole team many times. Simply, when the situation is bad, Trollhammer usually solves it. Even on Cata against patrols, or overpowered bosses in CW. One of the best weapons in the whole game.

@benmoore3816

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jijiweepee The Trollhammer isn't bad at killing specials. You're just not good at aiming it. You don't even have to hit them most of the time, just get close enough.

@thebenvz.

2 жыл бұрын

@@benmoore3816 what makes it bad at special killing is the slow reload speed and limited ammo.

The flamethrower might not be that good, but dear lord it's fun as hell to kill hordes wit hit.

@angermacfadden2702

2 жыл бұрын

It looks hilariously cool too to others while melting hordes.

@jojoboynat

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@vitorgobatogercov8879

Жыл бұрын

Best bardin weapom :)

@My10thAccount

7 ай бұрын

It’s the same thing as the crank gun. Great on veteran or in higher difficulty games where you have teams who understand the concept of a clear line of fire. Virtually worthless in anything above veteran if you can’t get a clear line of fire. Unfortunately we’re fighting against the Skaven, not playing as the Skaven so unfortunately for us gunners friendly fire is heavily discouraged.

afaik, coghammer has exec sword "damage/attack speed" profile on Heavy attacks.

@Sleepin-N-Snoozn

2 жыл бұрын

It does. Pretty damn good.

@nickstart2299

2 жыл бұрын

Minus the insane crit chance, but yeah.

@StojaMadarFakar

2 жыл бұрын

Coghammer is so great and so unique, that's why i love it

You’ve done the crossbow so damn dirty. It is definitely the second best ranged weapon for ranger vet, due to its crazy fire rate and good dmg. If you spam hip fire and reload button, you’ll shoot a lot faster and shred through elites and monsters. Combine it with shrapnel and your dps is going through the roof.

@danielsterling4918

Жыл бұрын

Yeah tbh idk why I keep coming back to this dudes tier list videos (probably accidentally or from wanting different opinions) but every time I do, it's glaringly obvious just how much he puts his own personal biases and preferences at the forefront of his decision making on these lists, particularly without regard to weapon potential, meta/slightly off-meta builds, or objectivity for the sake of newer players wanting to try things out.

I'd rate dual axes higher than 1H axe due to the mobility they provide.

@Pandemic1313

2 жыл бұрын

I mean 5% extra dodge distance but 1H axe has 1 extra shield and has actual overhead heavy attacks to make hitting headshots more consistent

@BOBAH_

2 жыл бұрын

1H axe is superior in armor damage and killing bosses, and has a hidden +10% crit chance on light attacks

Im kinda surprised at the throwing axe grade. I agree the throwing arc can be difficult to get used to and the friendly fire damage is insane, but being able to take out armored units and troublesome disablers with a flick of the wrist and not displacing yourself then getting right back into the melee with dual hammers or great hammer has always been nice for me. Ideally the ranged members would be on top of these things but you can't always count on the team.

@tobsenn.8946

2 жыл бұрын

Same for me. Since I got used to them, I think they are really good tbo.

@rafaelcastor2089

8 ай бұрын

That's most ranged weapon that aren't Sienna's though, except they'll usually have way better breaking points for cata and are more reliable when it comes to Ranger Vet For Slayer they're "good" in the sense that you have an option, but that's like saying Repeater Pistol would've been amazing for Warrior Priest of Sigmar to have

Glad to know my use of cog hammer and dual hammers just so happened to optimal lol

the masterwork pistol could oneshot bosses and i still wouldnt want to play it because it doesnt shoots instantly when i click and that is something i really, really dont like. how many times i died to an assassin or an leech because i couldt get my shot out in time.... handgun it is! or the flamethrower for the real vietnam barbecue feeling

@nexusthenormie5578

2 жыл бұрын

agreed, the windup makes it feel really really clunky imo, and I love outcast engie

@Chingloves

2 жыл бұрын

yep. it's super annoying.

Hammer and shield is easily A/SA tier at cata level.

@alexww180

3 ай бұрын

Hammer and shield badly underrated.awesome for teamwork in cata especially with miners rythm

If I had a video request it would be for you to speak more to all of the characters' best weapons, and give a brief build description for each best weapon. Love your stuff jtc, happy to have you receiving credit for your contributions to the community.

I disagree on hammer and shield. It's probably the strongest ib weapon. For a shield weapon, you get a lot of damage with it if you spam push attack + light combo. Can chain stagger chaos warriors with it as well, and berserkers too with the right properties. I'd put it as high as A tier. Axe and shield used to be the better option, but now hammer and shield just gets more damage and chain staggers elites much better. Here's cata with hammer and shield: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYufzKiup9belNI.html

@MultiPartyboy101

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I would 110% agree, I can clearly tell this guy has no knowledge of what a tanks job is to do in this game with shielded weapons & pushes/bashes, it’s not about damage with shields lol... but if your talking hammer and shield I would easily put it into the highest tier on this list. Period. I’m a shield main, & hammer & shield is just so fuck’n good for the dwarf & his classes.

@kamilwierzbicki1318

2 жыл бұрын

I don't play cata, only legend, but I'm a huge dwarf-fan. For any newer and learning players, I'd only add that Ironbreakers talent "Miner's Rythm" gives 40% bonus stamina regen after each landed charged attack (which is a form of a shield bash on shield weapons, at least for the first hit in the combo). This talent makes shield weapons (and weapons with good push attacks) considerably better, not only because you can feed your offense into even more stamina shields, you are more free to spend them on block/push attacks. This makes hammer and shield push-attack attack much better and safer, than lets say on an Engineer or Ranger. I still kind of keep switching between axe-shield and hammer-shield myself, depending on my mood and how much CC I think i'll need in my current pug. "Soloist selfish style" probably axe and shield is slightly better, but honestly I've made hammer and shield work for a very long time, it just takes some extra work and understanding your weapon.

i like the vid, where is trollhammer torpedo?

@jtcLIVE

2 жыл бұрын

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

@claudealpha2090

2 жыл бұрын

Trollhammer torpedo is easily S tier, especially with Conservative Shooter and Grenadier.

@MultiPartyboy101

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudealpha2090 yup.. 110%, idk how many times I’ve clutched with trollhammer at the right times in the perfect moments, your teammates will certainly appreciate it to. It’s definitely my favourite weapon closely followed by hammer and shield

@zinstonehead

2 жыл бұрын

@@MultiPartyboy101 My man. .-)

I feel like I cant play anything other than Axe and SHield on IronBreaker, you literally cannot die with the "push heavy heavy" combo, you gain so much thp and the stagger on it is amazing, it basically stunlocks everything for you. Also Axe and Shield >>> Sword and shield by miles, idk why but it cleaves so much better, also Axe/Shield seems to be able to deal dmg to armored targets unlike Sword/Shield Hell I'd honestly take Axe/SHield with Ranger and Outcast Engie xD. Sure the dmg aint there but with Ranger, you're mostly gonna be doing the most dmg with your gun, I LOVE the survivablity and CC of the Axe/Shield.

@Chingloves

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree

@justjoking5252

Жыл бұрын

I used to be a 2h hammer diehard fan, but then I tried the Axe&Shield combo. Goodness I never looked back.

@pinesandtraplines

Жыл бұрын

Ranger actually has the "temp HP on stagger" talent so axe+shield is pretty good for him, since it gives him extra defense in melee. The downside is he cant clear hordes as fast, but thats offset if you take the shotgun. The crossbow also has piercing bolts i believe, which can make it alright against hordes since it can clear a line through them. The extra ammo is nice for shotgun spamming as well.

I found it kind of weird that you kept referring to items on Bardin, as though they were identical to something on Kruber, so you ranked a lot of them as though they were just the Kruber item, despite this being a Bardin tier list.

@juliuszgodek6514

Жыл бұрын

Most of them are just reskins, so all the stats are the same

@ctylsh1214

Жыл бұрын

@@juliuszgodek6514 but its on bardin, not kruber.

Can't you reliably stagger stormvermin, maulers, and chaos warriors with drakefire gun though? I remember that being one of its upsides.

I know OE is a bit shit most of the time, but that extra penetration talent on drakefire pistols melts crowds. Means you spend less time worrying about being backed into a corner.

It's worth mentioning that the handgun can penetrate all shields with a focused shot, which the pistol cannot. I think 1H ax has a different crit chance, maybe. I feel like I crit more often with 1H ax anyway. Cheers and great video

@vitaliitomas8121

2 жыл бұрын

Could be due attack speed

@zadenhomunculus8652

2 жыл бұрын

According to the Armory mod, 1H axe has a built-in +10% crit chance on virtually every swing.

I like running two handed hammer and pick on slayer, I use two handed hammer for waveclear and then fully heavy charge the pick for stronger enemies. It does some pretty solid damage on things like rat ogres and stormfiends if you can hit em right on the head with some clever movement

I personally believe that Drakefire Gun and Flamestorm Staff needs a buff to make them compete with the rest of both Bardin and Sienna's arsenal. And it can be a really simple fix that makes a lot of sense for the type of weapon it is. Currently you have two firing modes for these weapons. A simple "flame belch" as primary fire, and a continuous stream of fire that lasts the longer your hold it prior to actually firing. What I suggest is that you could actually add a "third" firing mode, by holding down the primary fire straight up for increased damage, and then, if you fully charge it, the enemies it hits will also take burning damage for a very long time, akin to the Moonfire Bow. This would help both weapons against Elite enemies and Bosses, the two things they struggle against. You might say it makes them overpowered (fair point) but remind yourselves that these weapons are fully dedicated to close ranged combat, hence they should be THAT good. Balancing this would be easy, because you can just increase its overheat when charging for this new attack.

13:50 Wait hold on, the executioner's sword push attacks and light attacks ignore the cleave resistance of armored enemies! Ex sword should go straight through armored enemies just like unarmored, as long as you have enough cleave. I have never experienced my Ex sword getting stuck on armor.

Love these videos

Dual axes are way better imo simply because you can move around way more freely and the blockattack is very good unlike 1h axe.

@BOBAH_

2 жыл бұрын

1H axe is superior in armor damage and killing bosses, and has a hidden +10% crit chance on light attacks

@alpacaherder5680

2 жыл бұрын

@@BOBAH_ that doesnt matter if you cant get into a good position to be able to swing to begin with.

@jajaxaxa

2 жыл бұрын

@@BOBAH_ You are wrong. The dual axes gain extra damage against monsters and easily outdamage the 1h axe. The dual axes also have a smaller damage reduction against berserker armor making them a lot better against them. Against sv they have very similar damage however the 1h axe can stagger sv with lights which is helpful but generally not necessary with such good mobility. Finally against super armor the 1h axe has better damage if you aren't headshotting which is considerably easier to do on cw with the 1h axe. So dual axes are better against all enemies except sv (where they're pretty much equal) and cw (where the 1h axe wins out in damage and stagger.) Dual axes also have much higher bonus damage on headshots and crits than the 1h axe. I was surprised to learn that the 1h axe has a rather low finesse modifier. With light attacks at no extra power vs, the dual axe hits for 19,5 on marauder torso and 39 on head where the 1h axe hits for 27 torso 40,5 head.

@BOBAH_

2 жыл бұрын

@@jajaxaxa yeah, sorry, my info is probably outdated, you are right

There's a neat use for Drakefire Pistol on Engineer: Piercing shots works on it's normal fire. As the glass Cannon that the engineer is, a spammable, immediate option to clear trash without losing awareness/mobility is amazing.

@G1ingy

11 ай бұрын

But if you're using Drakefire already, don't they come with a shotgun burst fire for waves anyways?

I remember in my Throwing Axes only Legend playthrough, I literally killed my teammate from literally across the entire room in Into The Nest because I tossed my axe into the skies and it arced right into Saltzpyre's head. Now in my defense if he hadn't killed the Stormvermin and stepped forward that would have been an epic long-range axe-snipe. But this was more hilarious.

I've just started using the throwing axes on Ranger Veteran, and yeah, they feel *super* unwieldy -- especially with head bob and camera shake on. (I turned those off.) It's a whole other game trying to snipe down elites and specials, both before someone else gets to them, and without hitting a teammate for like 10-15% of their health. And yet, they have some really unique interactions with RV. For one thing, it's really easy to dump all 5 axes and get a buff from Last Resort, which you'd be hard-pressed to use in other builds. (The last axe gets the power buff, which is kinda neat.) You also give other ammunition users exclusive access to your survivalist ammo, and with Conservative Shooter, you can chain headshots to deal a ton of damage to monsters. Mind, they still probably deserve C Tier, but as I've gotten used to them, I've developed an addiction to those glorious Hail Mary throws across the map. Such is my curse. ;-; EDIT: Also, each axe you "reload" (put into hand after throwing) counts for Master of Improvisation, which means you can spam axes between fights to recharge your skill. Kinda cheesy.

@G1ingy

11 ай бұрын

My go-to strategy against monster have been to pop his smoke bomb for safety/range power, conservative shooter, and rapid fire the axes straight into a boss's head to delete their hp on Legend. Also the weapon's not bad as a horde thinning weapon if you aim with it, especially if they're specifically charging straight towards you as they'll be more or less lined up.

If you had to pick just one - would you go with coghammer or dual hammers?

as far as quickplay with randoms go nothing does it for me like the simple handgun, my melee weapons can deal with almost everything just fine, but the one thing they cant do is snipe unreachable specials and in quickplay you never know if you're going to have someone who will do that for you. I wish i could reliably use other ranged weapons but it seems like every time i try to mix it up there's a blight stormer or a ratling gunner on a roof or a cliff just harassing us with impunity and i find my self wishing i had brought ol' reliable Handgun. -Hand Gun Gang

throwing axe>elgi throwing spear ANY DAY

Oh neat! Bit off topic, but do you have any idea how to deal with rampart grudge mark when playing huntsman? My best guesses so far have been praying for my team mates, ledging, or wiping.

@deathshealer9102

2 жыл бұрын

Go melee, if you catch aggro block till you lose it, if you don’t have a HM then save your Special ability for when a teammate goes down. Hit monster from behind or cc with huntsman you want to give time for your team to fight the monster without any problems

@basicbitch475

2 жыл бұрын

Thx!

@jtcLIVE

2 жыл бұрын

either go in melee or back off and fight the general horde/snipe specials while your team fights the boss. Can't do much of anything if a boss completely ignores your strengths lol

@stop_hitting_me

2 жыл бұрын

While Huntsman isn't primarily a melee class, he can do more work than most people expect with his extra headshot damage and smiter. Sword and shield, One handed sword, Halberd and exe sword will help him contribute pretty well.

Yeah I use hammer and Shield on Vet and Engy. Rarey on IB. I need to be able to stagger monks and cws. Otherwise Coghammer.

With Slayer War Pick + 2H Axe is pretty good combo. Pick for hordes, Axe for single target damage. You delete everything very fast. .-)

@labdG

2 жыл бұрын

I play that way as well. The sweeps with Pick stagger hordes quite well. :D

@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777

2 жыл бұрын

Coghammer/War Pick + Dawi-Drop is one of the most satisfying builds in the game imo.

@biblequotesdaily6618

2 жыл бұрын

use dawi drop on that build and DELETE monsters. you're welcome.

@daveski7

2 жыл бұрын

This is a really low tier build btw. Its fun and you can use it by all means. But when Bradins say its "good" as if it can compete with the meta... theyre just wrong sorry. Comparitavely Pickaxe, 2h axe with the 2 2h weapons talent and dawi drop is not good at all.

What difficulty are these rankings for? Cata?

@jtcLIVE

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, base game cata

Warpick actually works better for cleave and on slayer swings faster than two handed hammer also 1shots chaos warriors and does massive chucks to bosses for when there's no shade

Throwing axes is most fun to use weapons in whole game imao

@G1ingy

11 ай бұрын

That and Drakegun are my go-to "fun" weapons. However I do wish it could be swung like a melee weapon the way javelins can.

Ty

You're an incredible player but you have some hot takes that trigger me real bad so I avoid your content for the most part.

@ExValeFor

2 жыл бұрын

it would be neat to find out how he uploads videos from a whole ass alternate reality tbh

Hi friend, I´m on level 35 with Barden now, but I don´t seem to get the dual hammers - Any idea? Also the dual axes are blocked for the Outcast Engineer - How come? Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated - Thanks!

@jeremytan739

2 ай бұрын

Hammers are dlc, axes are slayer only

How in the hell is masterwork pistol any use? How? I do not get it? It's like a troll.

"copy-pasted from other careers" you mean the other careers copy-pasted from bardin

Also Drakegun might be B-tier in usefulness, but it's S-tier in fun.

Imo, if they would just let us block with the throwing axes? That would be enough for me. -Left clicking will throw the axes at full range by default. -Right click will give you access to block, push, and even push attack.

Handgun? No damage fall off? Man doesnt even know the ranged weapons no wonder he hates huntsman.

Just now got to seeing this, and I mostly agree. Drop both shielded weapons down one, replace 2H hammer with 1H hammer, and replace 2H axe with Pick axe. Also I don't think throwing axes deserve THAT much hate, but compared to javelins they are pretty garbage for sure. Other than that great video!

You always say that you shields are bad in the hands of a good player because if you are good enough at the game you don't need the defence and would rather have more damage. However, since even great players aren't robots i repeatedly find that the amount of errors you can prevent your teammates from making if you create space with a shield weapon is better than additional dps. Especially because weapons like the drakefire pistols can help with the damage problem. I've made a test and played 4 games of every career with access to a shield weapon on cata. 2 with, 2 without shield weapons. I disregarded any games that failed because I died or messed up in a major way to correct for personal skill issues as well as all where we died within the first five minutes to correct for inconsistent team quality. I won 4 games more with the shield weaponry and the amount of teammate deaths was lowered by 9. Average damage was lowered by about 4000 though.

Came here expecting War Pick to be in bottom tier. I have to disagree with your placement, it's just crap. Light attacks are too slow, with too little cleave, and too little damage and the heavies take way too long. It is only viable on Slayer because of his attack speed and power buffs but then you might as just take Coghammer. I'd also like to make a case for bumping Great Axe and Handgun up a level. Great Axe is faster than Great Hammer, doesn't lose damage on heavies like the Great Hammer does, has a crit chance bonus, and still does amazing stagger. Handgun because it's so dependable. It's everything you could want in a sniper weapon; high damage, pinpoint accuracy, great range before damage falloff, super armor penetration, etc. I think you're right about crossbow, but I also think you missed a point of comparison. Or maybe you didn't and intend to address it in a future video. Anyways, I expect you'll rank Saltz's Crossbow higher because all of his careers (so far) have dependable methods for dealing with Crossbow's main drawback being relatively lower single target damage. WHC's tag will provide 20% more damage, BH has crits almost on demand, and Zealot can increase his power by up to 30% all of which help him crest more breakpoints than Bardin's Crossbow. Finally, you're so right about Throwing Axes. I'm honestly floored that FS released the Javs without going back to apply those improvements to TAs. I want to like them so much because they're so cool but they're just such trash from a technical standpoint that I only ever use them in solo runs with bots to avoid pissing off teammates. Come on Fatshark, you've got the right blueprint now, go back and fix TAs.

I will dominate legendary maps and take ranged kills away form specialists with the throwing axes at the end of a round with slayer. If you generally think throwing axes are bad, just simply practice with them. 1 hit kill all specials. 1 hit kill all armored, zerkers, murauders, three hit kill choas warriors *headshots/charged throws* and ofcorse unlimited ammo. got 2k + hours in vermintide and the throwing axes are my favorite ranged weapon from any career. GIT GUD *lovely video btw +like from me :)*

masterwork is the worst weapon in game