Doing postrace podcasts ALWAYS gives you the 20/20 hindsight... Commentators calling live bikeraces for hours and hours will make mistakes and that's most often OK. Anyone who has tried to referee any kind of sport knows just how big the difference is between laying on the couch and yelling at refs, and making live calls on the spot on the field. The GCN commentators often seems to error on the positive side, like "oh that's a great move" "Well done" "he/she did his/her best", they are very rarely bluntly critical. I'll give you a dare Chris, do some pre race analysis, how would you set up the tactics for a certain team or, try your hand in predicting outcomes. That'll show another side of your analytical abilities.

@doctorSpoc

Жыл бұрын

Only problem with your explanation is that in the cases Chris mentions... they make the mistake in realtime.. then double down on the sh*t take in the post race as well.. so bottom line.. they just don't know what they are talking about 🤷🏾‍♂

@sean7098

Жыл бұрын

​@@doctorSpoc Chris' first point is a poor comparison of completely different situations. His second point is a fair criticism. For the third point I wouldn't put the blame on either rider. Degenkolb has every right to fight for his position. For the fourth point, completely fair assumption for someone to think Van Aert was unwilling to work with Van Der Poel because of their sprint history. E3 was a 3 group which is a big difference to a 2 group sprint. Definitely think scared was the wrong word to use. I think what the pundits were saying was when Van Der Poel attacked, WVA didn't pull because he wasn't as confident in his sprint as if he was with a Lampaert for example. The group would have never slowed down because Phillipsen was pulling. But no, by all means that means that they don't know what they are talking about because they have a couple poor opinions. May I add he is only talking about Dan Lloyd here, who is definitely not the sole commentator on GCN.

@doctorSpoc

Жыл бұрын

@@sean7098 Degenkob has every right to fight for position.. as does MVP.. Degenkob let MVP.. get his shoulders/bars ahead of his.. he GAVE UP his position.. that rule about the bars is not an arbitrary rule.. if sh*t goes down the guy with the bars behind WILL bite the dust as Degenkob did 🤷🏽‍♂️ THAT’s why you back off.. back off or die essentially.. he chose the latter.. And I felt they were off base with the VanAert is weak or scared or whatever they were trying to say.. imho he was on stellar legs.. wasn’t being he was cautious or scared even conservative.. he was riding SMART.. FOR ONCE!! Pogacar, Evenepoel.. now looks like VanAert have realized that when you’re among equals or even those only slightly below in ability.. sometimes smarts can trump legs.. and if you want to win ur gonna need both smarts and legs with this new crop of young insane level riders

@sean7098

Жыл бұрын

@@doctorSpoc Well yes, we are in agreement with the first point. I agree with the second one as well, I would be use the word conservative but in a positive sense. Both smart and conservative.

@doctorSpoc

Жыл бұрын

@@sean7098 unless u changed you mind on fault for crash I think we disagree.. imho.. Degenkolb let a position open up and MVP took it.. safely.. Degenkolb gave up his position and then tried to take it back when he should have known he was almost certainly going to crash doing so.. then he crashed doing so rather that saying oops, I F’d that up little and just getting on MVP’s wheel and moving on .. I put the blame SQUARELY at Degenkolb’s feet..

The addition of Robbie McEwen to the GCN team has added greater depth to their insights. I personally enjoy Dan Lloyd's analysis and self-effacing sense of humor (and let's not forget he rode both the Tour de France and the Giro). He may not have been competing at Chris Horner's level, but he does understand far more than he is being given credit for here. Conversely, I think that commentators like Carlton Kirby (who often sounds as though he is describing a horse race when it comes to sprint finishes) and Rob Hatch (with his emphasis on over-the-top pronunciations of riders names and races) cater to those who might casually tune in to bike racing. Also, Orla Chennaoui not only adds some glamor to proceedings, but she displays a deeper understanding of the sport than many. As someone who grew up racing when cycling barely made a line in the Monday morning papers, I am thrilled by the GCN coverage and by their efforts to educate newcomers to cycling, as well as lend insights to those who have ridden for years.

@ellen5165

Жыл бұрын

I think Robbie is one of the best. I enjoyed his commentary back when he and Mathew Keenan did the TDF on NBC Gold for a year or two. It was a nice alternative to the NBC TV broadcast and I learned quite a bit from them. Just thrilled to have alternatives and the ability to watch so many races.

@jasoncdebussy

Жыл бұрын

Kirby is absolutely dire and should be put out to grass in my opinion. I'm glad someone has picked up on Hatch's grandstanding - he speaks more than one language, don't you know? 🤣 So do I but I would still pronounce all the names of the riders as the average English speaking person would. He really ticks me off 😁

@krisbowditch827

Жыл бұрын

Carlton Kirby has a relaxing vibe .. great to chill out to in the evening.. chapeau Carlton 😁

@jasoncdebussy

Жыл бұрын

@@krisbowditch827 He is a total buffoon.

I mean they are essentially an entertainment company, so their priority is to make it entertaining for the viewers vs getting every tactic right. I am a snowboarder and see this EVERY TIME a snowboarding event is aired on tv - the commentary is comically irrelevant to the actual sport. Is what it is. Glad to hear you go and provide your own insights.

@raahauge

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is spot on. In Denmark we have the "main" channel for the general public, who only really watch cycling when a Dane is winning TdF, (not even in 2021, when Jonas took 2nd many hardly noticed!), but in 2022 everybody watched TdF, and since they generally don't know (and care!) much about cycling, all the emotional stuff on the "main" channel is just what they need. Fortunately, we have another channel for those interested in bike-races, where almost only former professional world tour riders and bike-race aficionados are running the show. Entertainment for the people, Analysis for the bike-race interested, and everybody is happy. I'm love Chris Horners channel, and it hurts a bit, that there are not more subscribers/viewers than what there are. But the market for deep analysis of bike races unfortunately isn't bigger than that, apparently.

I love the GCN platform but Chris is right in what he says and it's so fun how straight with the facts Chris always is. Keep the great content coming 👍👍

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👊🦋

@gerryfrancis3350

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisHornerCycling CH become a commentator and solve the problem

@frieders3

9 ай бұрын

He ever shows up on GCN I'll cancel! Stick to your lame KZread commentary .... only platform you can do 20/20 hindsight analysis!

As a Dutch guy I only listen to Belgium coverage, funny banter but knowledgeable

@danielbuijs8647

Жыл бұрын

Yeaaahhh! Also Dutch I can confirm watching Belgium is like two people with a beer on the couch bantering about cycling. I have GCN for the coverage but what Belgium whenever possible. Really miss Michel Wuyts tho, that sucked but Belgium is still hella fun to watch, I laugh often.

@Penalist

Жыл бұрын

I.e.: Flemish

@Penalist

Жыл бұрын

@🐦privilege No. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish

@davemaurmann123

Жыл бұрын

I read the Dutch subtitles

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

👊🦋

I always love this commentary but Chris does have the advantage of reviewing the race afterwards with extra time to assess what really happened. GCN to be fair doesn't have the extra time Chris has.

@mettler54

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@henseleric

Жыл бұрын

Yep.

@Goggles1

Жыл бұрын

Fair play, fair play.

@tomschenk5148

11 ай бұрын

Plus they hope to get interviews from riders. So they have to/should try to stay positive. Chris doesn't so he is at liberty to kick them in the nuts while they are down. Meaning calling individuals knuckleheads when they loss a race due to tactics. That said I do love and watch every video Chris posts.

@Thai-Mai-Shu

9 ай бұрын

Yeah right Chris. Look at yourself please. I wanna see you doing live. Dont point youre finger.

As a cycling fan who’s never raced myself, I love the GCN coverage. I enjoy the commentary, and my feeling is that they’re working to present both an entertaining show that still manages to give me some insights into a fascinating sport and its strategy. I’m at awe with the depth of the level of strategy in the sport, and GCN has helped me to learn a lot. That said, last couple of years I’ve then learned to look forward immensely to Chris’ analysis 🦋, which lets me understand things on a much deeper level. To me it’s not either or. That’s the beauty of it. Hoping for Chris to be in the commentary box of GCN some day, but realize it’s probably not likely to happen. Grateful for the great work you do Chris! Thanks for everything you do for us cycling fans!

@jasoncdebussy

Жыл бұрын

Kirby and Hatch are dire commentators. Lloyd and Adam Blythe are the best. The others are so so.

@vr4966

Жыл бұрын

caters to the masses, business first! 1% ‘ers feed off the bottom

GCN do a brilliant job as far as I’m concerned with their bike racing coverage and their commentary line up….commentating on races is not all about what’s happening on the road; it’s about their thoughts, some inside knowledge, background to the stage and region and some gentle humour too. Dan was a pro too remember and a very self deprecating one too! People such as Carlton are real pro at what hey do and add a lot…..it’s hard to please all the people all of the time….appreciate your points too however…✊😀

@johnp8608

Жыл бұрын

Well said. The great thing about cycling is that there's always hypothetical situations that are up for interpretation, and different points of view are always welcome. I really enjoy GCN's coverage - their commentators and analysts are superb 95% of the time and always offer interesting points of view alongside clear passion for the sport. What's not to love? We need to respect differing opinions a little more, rather than looking to disagree with everything to generate views on KZread

@jasoncdebussy

Жыл бұрын

Kirby is the worst sports commentator ever! Boy, you've got a low bar.

@LF-hj8kk

Жыл бұрын

@@jasoncdebussy that dude has been doing commentary as a job for ages and still makes so much mistakes. He doesn't understand the sport at all. He is so painful to hear. The others are pretty good though

@jasoncdebussy

Жыл бұрын

@@LF-hj8kk Totally agree. He is so painful that I find myself shouting at the screen sometimes 🤣 Generally the others are pretty good 👍

@abedfo88

Жыл бұрын

Carlton is the antithesis of pro, come on man.

Thanks for clarifying both the Degenkolb crash and the Wout story...we sadly will never know what would have happened had he not punctured.

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

So true. 🥲🦋

@Rok_Piletic

Жыл бұрын

mvdp (did see Degenkolb before attacking on right) - beside mvdp did cause two similar accidents on this race ... The first rider did not crash but took to the fields ... his aggressive/intrusive riding is dangerous

@aiarta2280

Жыл бұрын

He didnt cause this crash. DId you watch the video?

@tamasvarga67

Жыл бұрын

@@Rok_Piletic No disrespect but wtf are you talking about? Did you watch the race at all?

Chris, in the Basque tour the GC race was all in the same group, very different from a one day race where the break wins everything.

It’s midnight where i live but i’m not going to sleep if Chris Horner uploads!

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

Then I hope you enjoy the video. And can get a good night sleep Edward. 👊🦋🛏️

The role of a commentator is often a thankless task. You are called out for what you say wrong more than what you say right from most people who don't have an idea of what is going on. That being said, with Chris' experience not only being a part of the coverage of the TdF in the US but commentating other races in the past, I think he is the sort of person to hold accountable what good or bad content is during a race. I've worked for 8 years as a freelance commentator and would love the chance to get some cycling commentary under my belt and if I ever did, someone like Chris would be one of the first people I would contact to get some understanding about the race, various tactics and small intricacies to look out for because it is so rare to find someone who has done it all. Tldr: it's okay to be critical but don't be critical to the point of abusive. The people commentating are people like you and I and while they want to do their job the best as possible, a deluge of hate won't help them!

@aarondcmedia9585

Жыл бұрын

GCN are discussing a lot of this after the race though - the screen shots Chris shows here are from their studio, not live commentary. They should have had plenty of time to review race footage vs doing it live. Also: tl;dr at the end of your comment is worthless, as you don't see it unless you've already taken the time to read it all - put it at the start if you want it to mean anything haha

@mattpotter8725

Жыл бұрын

I agree with much of what you say and especially about not taking it to the point of being abusive, but I don't think the commentators are just like you and me, unless you a professional cycliist, in case I apologise they are like you, just not me. I'd also say there are two types of commentator (and I found this video a little odd because I was expecting more discussion about in race commentary and not post race analysis, although oxygen the same people do both), there are three commentators like Carlton Kirby who is more there to just describe what's going on, set the scene, bring up things from the recent and even distant past that are relevant to the current race and riders in it, and then there are those that are there for their knowledge of being a rider and the tactics employed during races. I have no problem if those just setting the scene don't always get it right, but recently I've found it very difficult listening to Brian Smith and Adam Blyth (and at times Dan Lloyd, although at times he's ok, and is often more entertaining, so there's that). I've started to wonder if they are just wanting to keep in with the teams, not call anyone out because even during races I've started to think why is this team on the front of the peleton trying to bring the break back, giving the team of the leader of the race a free wheel, it makes no sense. I don't understand why those employed can't see this and at least offer both points of view. Lastly, and I think Chris did mention this in this video, he said what Bahrain Victorious did was ok if racing only to keep their second place, and this I think it's exactly what happened. With the way teams need points to keep their ICU World level status second place is probably what Bahrain were happy with, rather than risking putting Vingegaard under pressure, going for the win, and getting, I don't know, a sixth place finish. It's not what we want to see, but it's important to the team keeping their position, so it happens.

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

Aaron is correct hear. I picked the footage from stuff that has plenty of time to look over. Certainly live things can easily be missed. 👍👊🦋

@skiak004

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisHornerCycling here, Chris:)

@paddyotoole2058

Жыл бұрын

Your TDLR is too long to read.

I love & Support GCN for the coverage, as you acknowledge, they put the money into what I haven’t had for most of my life - video coverage of bicycle races.

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

There is soooo much to see, truly a gift to us cycling fans. 👊🦋

@perryvath7617

11 ай бұрын

Amen. Much better than waiting for magazine coverage.

I disagree with you. They are giving a live commentary, so have to call it as they see it at the time. Without inside tactical information, they will sometimes get it right and sometimes get it wrong. They are sharing an opinion. Most have some professional experience, so they give us an interesting perspective. I don't always agree with their take on things, but I find their opinions entertaining and informative. Overall a good job.

@BMinus0593

Жыл бұрын

Yes commentating live is much more difficult. They don’t have the benefit of hindsight…. Easy to comment after the fact.

@tweed0929

Жыл бұрын

Do you run tubeless on hookless with low pressure?

@hisdadjames4876

Жыл бұрын

I adore Chris, but slamming his fellow commentators….drawing on hindsight and calm post-race analysis, is a rare ‘knucklehead’ moment. 🤷‍♂️

@Dcully

Жыл бұрын

It's not live , they are sitting well after the event.

@primozvanaert

Жыл бұрын

Well said! I totally agree. On the whole I think they do a really good job. They don’t always get it right but it’s an off the cuff opinion in real time. Everything is easier with hindsight! Also, their coverage of the racing has been a game changer for me. Great service on the whole and I rate a number of the commentators quite highly.

Without GCN we'd never see most of the races in Canada. And I love listening to Carlton Kirby and Robbie McEwan. I don't care if the commentators talk about tactics, cycling is not the most exciting sport to watch sometimes and I don't need to be further bored with tactics.

@the_joe_reynolds_foundation

Жыл бұрын

Ha 100%. I love riding and racing, but can NOT watch more than 20 minutes of coverage before I get bored. A nice, 10 minute-ish highlight vid is perfection.

@fastestmilkman3840

Жыл бұрын

Carlton Kirby🤣

@Duncanclarkeiii

Жыл бұрын

Where are you? I'm in Canada but forced to watch FloBikes coverage - you think GCN is bad, Flobikes is worse than NBC coverage.

The analysis surrounding Wout was spot on. If he didn't puncture he goes to the line in a sprint with a slightly better than 50/50 shot. If you see interviews with Degenkolb he wasn't pointing fingers at anybody. It was one of those things that happen. But GCN is showing a lot of the races and with all due respect to Phil on NBC it's time to retire.

@EpicCycling

Жыл бұрын

Phil interrupts all the time and gets the names wrong often. It’s time to go, been a nice ride, but it’s over. Agree 💯

@eterlizzi

Жыл бұрын

@@EpicCycling The interrupting drives me crazy, but I think it's due to Bob and him being in different areas of the world and there is a delay. Hence, one will start w/out the other knowing it and they step all over each other.

@hivoltguy1974

Жыл бұрын

It’s not just Phil being past prime. Bob Roll is not a professional broadcaster. That Paris-Roubaix race call was torture. I wish NBC would at least give us the option of the Eurocom race call

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

John was good about that. 👊🦋

@dinodaniel2237

Жыл бұрын

As far as sports commentators I liked Phil Ligett. and Dan Lloyd.

Thank you Chris. You’re insightful analysis is very much appreciated. When I raced a long time ago, my only thoughts was not to get dropped; just wanted to finish with the leaders. It more survival than strategy.😊

The bad old days of 7 minutes of TDF coverage on Wide World of Sports are over thank goodness! 😛

@abritandhisbikeinpoland6802

Жыл бұрын

We get every stage live, start to finish, no commercials! I wouldn't cope with American commercials controlled American TV.

@sullysullster8217

Жыл бұрын

I know right!? Ive been watching bike racing since the mid 80's on cbs sports where the commentary was so dumbed down and simplified for Americans. Now we have Chris Horner and Lanterne Rough really getting into more than just race tactics. This truly is the golden age of cycling now that we have gcn and a multitude of youtube cycling channels, podcasts and this new generation of powerhouse cyclists.

@robbchastain3036

Жыл бұрын

I am so with you there and that's why this crankin' by Chris is sort of boring, he is our main man here in the States and I am happy to be a little supporter, but this act of superiority over all other commentators is silly. Bike racing is entertainment and it is sport and it is sometimes herculean efforts worthy of our admiration. And tactics and travel and spectacle and all sorts of cool things, even nostalgia as many of us have been riding for decades and we had our times of great strength and exploits of bicycles and, even now in later years, benefit tremendously by our affiliation and participation in all of it and I certainly enjoy being a fan in the stands with a story or two or ten of personal experiences. And I do remember the Wide World of Sports days and they deserve tons of credit for giving us alternatives to ball sports and even introducing us to Evel Knievel. And then there was that glorious CBS/John Tesh coverage of the Tour de France in the '80s, only once a week but the high-water mark of its era. And I had a shortwave, a Sharp boombox, and I'd listen to the BBC sports coverage for a blurb or two about cycling, not much but better than nothing. And now, of course, there is too much content to consume and that is a bummer. But we can pace ourselves and make the most of it and I just hope this GCN bashing doesn't become a regular deal for Chris. There is too much better content to watch, like his regular commentaries, certainly, and i like most of what he says but not everything and that's okay, that's healthy because I have nearly 60 years of bike riding experience in the United States and Europe. And that counts for something. And I gotta tip my hat to my little buddies in a trailer park in Coalinga, California in 1965 for my start on a sunny day as a five-year-old on a full-size ladies bike. And they are pushing the bike at its rear rack and I am warbling and then they let go and I briefly experienced the joy of cycling for the first time. And we were laughing all the while. 😀

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Goodness 😬👊🦋

Nice to see GCN keeping Dan Lloyd as he was with them since almost the beginning. Hope he takes this as constructive criticism.

@irl-cyclist01

Жыл бұрын

He's the founder

@TomDabek

Жыл бұрын

@@irl-cyclist01 no, he was the original presenter, but not a founder. An employee.

@michaelmastell6778

Жыл бұрын

Unlikely. They’ll probably send a cease and desist.

@Anton-tf9iw

Жыл бұрын

Amateur CGN cycle tourists vs Chris Horner the professional racer, two totally different perspectives.

@davemaurmann123

Жыл бұрын

I don't like Lloyds commentary at all

I watch the tour de france and can’t wait for Chris to post his recap. He explains things they don’t explain live and from an aspect of a professional. He also explains the technical aspect like no one else. So many times he has said something and I thought, “Oh that’s why!”. Perhaps most impressive is how he just records and has no visible edits. It just flows. I don’t listen to other channels or podcasts. It’s not that they don’t have their value or place, I just only have time for one review and I choose the professional, Chris Horner, 2013 Vuelta Champion!

@davidfrye7713

Жыл бұрын

The vast majority of former and current professionals can't explain it very well. Chris does an excellent job. I've cycled with his cousin and she is intelligent and pleasant just like Chris. An absolute joy to cycle with.

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Epic. Happy you are enjoying the channel. I won’t be working with NBC any more just here on TBE. Garrett my boy does all the editing and can make it look flawless most shoots unless I’m really bad that day but even then you would have to look very hard cause he’s great at it. 👊🦋

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

That must be Holly. 👊🦋

@gobears6487

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisHornerCycling he seriously is!

@davidfrye7713

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisHornerCycling Yes sir! I haven't seen her in a while. I haven't been cycling in a while and now it is impossible as I have a dog that requires 24 hrs of attention. We had a dog party at our house years ago and Holly brought Hamilton her pig. He was a sweetie.

I have to give it to GCN for giving womens professional cycling a leg up on coverage. I think it’s needed now more than ever. More cycling and more coverage is only good for the sport.

@ohnezuckerohnefett

Жыл бұрын

It's still 90% male dominated, though. Manon has been the only female presenter for a looong time.

@aiarta2280

Жыл бұрын

@@ohnezuckerohnefett So?

@iamthedalilama

Жыл бұрын

I’ve tried and tried, but cannot get into the women’s bike racing. It’s probably because it appears way too slow. It’s a bit like women’s football, I want it to be successful but my eyes are telling me this is terrible to watch. But yet I watch women’s skiing and triathlon.

@512Riddler

Жыл бұрын

@@iamthedalilama you know I understand but if I’m just pigging out on watching cycling or having it on in the background it’s not bad. Also nice to know what’s going on the sport in general.

@paddyotoole2058

Жыл бұрын

Been watching pro cycling for over 40 years. Watching women’s cycling just doesn’t hold any interest for me and most of the guys I know never watch it either. Same goes for womens soccer, basketball etc.

I think GCN/Eurosport is massive value for the cycling fan. The commentators job is stop you changing channel and keep you subscribing, so in that respect, I think they are good. Finding out what happened when the dust settles is best done by Chris Horner. What is not to like?

Intelligent, insightful analysis. I would love to see Horner as the directeur sportif for a tour team.

Note that this is a very Anglo issue. As a french native speaker i do listen to the GCN/Eurosport french commentaries and they are a joy to hear, most of them being ex pro cyclists probably helps a lot. As far as i'm aware most people who listen to them quite love it, something which cannot be said for the english ones.

@stuartdryer1352

Жыл бұрын

Sans doute.

@Driver8takeabreak

Жыл бұрын

Compare the GCN english commentators to what we previously had in the US (or currently do): Phil/Paul, Bob Roll, Vandevelde. I'd take GCN over them every time (I did enjoy Bob back in the day though).

SeattleMarko - I am a GCN subscriber and Butterfly Effect Patreon subscriber (see Chris’s link below in his postings.) You know I love both of you… Chris, ouch! 🤯 GCN, ❤ you and know you mean well…sometimes the truth can hurt. 😏 You know it’s been my dream that Chris is a commentator pre, during, post race… on GCN. Come on you two, shake hands work together at/during monuments maybe a grand and/or weekly stage race or two and drive each of your respective viewerships through the roof!🥳 Keep preaching Chris, you educate us on the tactics of bike racing so damn well! 🙏

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Seattle. Pre and post calling of the action would be perfect. 👊🦋

Dear Chris, I together with 60,700 subscribers absolutely enjoy your unmatched skillful analyses and insides. This brings me new perspectives and more enjoyment watching cycle races. Fur sure the JCN guys are several levels below you. But I think, by not being a knucklehead yourself, the trick is to work with them, not against them. Even Eddy Merckx couldn’t have won all the races if we wouldn't have shown respect to the domestiques. I think the group is always stronger than the individual. That being said, I really enjoy the way you are doing this channel! Thanks!

@davidfrye7713

Жыл бұрын

But didn't Eddy criticize Wout for allowing Christophe Laporte take the win at Gent Wevelgem? I don't think Eddy is as gracious or generous as Wout. But, that is why that team generally works so well together, no one seems to be self centered. If someone on the team wins they all win. Tadej has displayed that as well, however, he doesn't have the strength in numbers that Jumbo has, so it is not displayed a often.

@M440iUK

Жыл бұрын

Merckx was an animal and would have drafted his grandmother until she had a heart attack if he thought it would win him the race. Name me one of Merckx domestiques the honest way and I'll concede. BTW it's GCN.

@ZENmud

Жыл бұрын

​@@M440iUK Éric Loder ~ I bought a Bernard Hinault "Lord Mega" from his shop in Genève, Suisse, in 1997 🚲😎 His son Thierry raced for Cofidis ~ fun to chat with when he was assembling bikes in the winter...

@davidfrye7713

Жыл бұрын

@@M440iUK His nickname says it all!

@ChrisHornerCycling

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin. 👊🦋

Another insightful 17-minute-long sentence from Chris.

@tinmachine693

Жыл бұрын

Good observation. Breathing is not one of Mr Horner's hobbies 😂

@krisbowditch827

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@davidmichael9342

Жыл бұрын

Catch your breath Chris!

Chris, you're killing it! A recording every day!

I'm quite thankful too for GCN showing so many races like never before. Also it's nice to stream them later on if you got other stuff to do. Some documentaries are very interesting too (I recommend the one on SRM). On the other hand, yes, the commentary is often quite shallow and lacks focus. A pity Sean Kelly isn't on more often. They never seem to focus on the race and kind of more do a ..."tell what I am looking at". The German version is lacklustre too except for Bernhard Eisel,Robert Bengsch and Jeanclaude Leclerq. Then again ... gotta take it with a pinch of salt :) like everything. Really appreciate the huge coverage. For the deep cycling talk I come here.

That is why I love this channel so much. The commentary is always on point with expert analysis. Well done!!!

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Where else would I get to watch unlimited races,across all disciplines, numerous videos and all for £40 a year. Love it.

In the words of Peter Sagan "Why so serious, Chris?"

I love the GCN coverage and agree with others here about the commentators reacting to live events at all of these events. I thought that Adam Blythe and Robbie McCewan called the Paris Roubaix crash perfectly as a racing incident on the day. Degenkolb is a class act and deserves nothing but praise for his ride on the day.

Chris' analysis is perhaps better than the GCN's presenters' and guests'. However, I don't think GCN deserves critique for this. Firstly for the non-live show, perhaps Chris' has better skills to analyse the situation: not everyone can be equally awesome. Would be good to see Chris on the world of cycling. And secondly for the live show, most of GCN commentators are doing their analysis almost in real time. They don't have the same time and space to rewind the footage and analysis the way Chris has for his videos. I super appreciate GCN and, even if the commentary is not always 100% on point, it's infinitely better than what was available to me before.

I love your analysis, always on point. Keep up the good work, I'm enjoying your content.👍👍👍

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Chris, I love this, your experience is second to none, always enjoy your videos, this one really showing your racing smarts, good stuff!!!

I love GCN because they actually provide cycling races, not just talk about it, so they can say what they want, and then, Lanterne for real commentary and then if I need a third opinion, I will listen to you, but be good to see you as team director

@tymanski1

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LR is where it's really at ;)

Instantly tuning into the next GCN show to see their response if any...

@michaelwhitby6748

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Not sure why they would bother responding. They put out a massive amount of content and they know they probably aren't correct 100% of the time, but they don't really have the time to go back and revisit a lot of their previous commentary as they're already gearing up to cover another race.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Probably to busy. 🤔🦋🥲

@mettler54

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@@ChrisHornerCyclingtoo is spelled too

Been waiting for this video! Thanks Chris for all the insights!

Commenting is about giving opinions…. You clearly don’t agree with a lot of GCN’s opinions fair enuff but you have to understand not everyone shares your opinion on matters of racing tactics…..

I love these analyses so much because of there depth and eye for detail. Always spot on and insightful.

I've gone off GCN shows but have time for Simon and Dan. Often see Dan at local CX with his lad and he's a genuinely nice guy who loves cycling. Commentary is part entertainment so I'll forgive some knuckleheadism. Listening to Charlton and Sean's mistakes can be hilarious and I'm not expecting DS level insights. I'm just glad we get so much coverage now, yours included. Blyth can go find another line of work though, one involving wearing socks!

@georgehugh3455

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I agree - Dan and Si are top notch. As are Robbie McEwen, Magnus, and Blythe (IMO - he's a wildcard in his views and clothes for sure). However, Carlton Kirby is am insufferable ponce, Sean drones (but that's partly Carlton's fault for calling on him all the time...Sean would probably be quiet), and Rob Hatch needs to control himself.

@mattpotter8725

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@@georgehugh3455 I don't mind Carlton, but then again he's not there for deep insight imo, just to get the former professionals they have alongside him to do this (which they often don't). I also don't mind Sean, most of the time he knows what he's talking about, and Robbie McEwan has been a great addition recently as well. When in a recent race Brian Smith was lost to some technical issue it actually made things better, I wish it would happen more often, and Adam Blythe is just as bad, so it's very hit and miss.

@georgehugh3455

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@@mattpotter8725 You are a far more patient man than me if you can tolerate Kirby's inane wordplay, lust for young men and digressions about what he had for breakfast. I do agree that when Smith's audio was lost, the commentary improved markedly. Bet you can't wait to see if Blythe is rocking that fluffy pink sweater w/o socks at the next Monument, eh?

@thedesigngraphik

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I like Sean because when he does speak he knows what’s going on, he’s calm because most the time there isn’t thing that needs to be said, but specially for his experience. Carlton’s job is to fill that void, yeah it’s dribble most the time, but over time I’ve grown to like it. But yeah Blythe seems to just be there for the hang, he’s gotten a little better, but they should but him on those Conti level races before putting him on the monuments, he has no place there.

Dooooooood ! The double drop ! Thanks Chris !

Hi Chris. On GCN Tech's weekly vid, Ollie Bridgewood said that Ineos (100% sure) & Jumbo (95% sure) had the Vittoria run flat Inserts. And, that is why their tires even if they flatted didn't come off the rim like another rider we saw on the cobbles, and that they could continue until they find a mechanic.

Haven’t seen the GCN, I enjoy Chris he’s willing to say what’s on his mind, doesn’t make it personal and is always smiling. Very entertaining Chris keep up the good work!

@danielsekera3525

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Normally no but I REALLY took this as personal. All I kept thinking is wow..why is chris attacking dan so sarcastically. Every point chris makes could have been made impersonally. Instead it’s dan this and dan that 🤷🏻‍♂️

@andrewmcintyre7044

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I enjoy Chris commentary but really no point in slamming GCN. Even if your spot on about some points. It’s a bad look for Chris. I listened to about a minute and shut him down on this one

Thanks again, Chris. Good point about the sight line of riders. In P-R, I would imagine their view is very much like a tunnel view. Just concentrating on the smoother line ahead.

Great analysis as always Chris....You are Top Gun !

I used to watch and regard these guys as experts. I was lost but now I'm found. Blessed the day you came up on my suggestions. ✊Knucklehead Army ✊.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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100% Chris Horner' s team, I am not an expert like you, but very often I think that GCN are biaised and are working for their sponsors or promoting cycling mainly for UK or US or AUS way too much...

@danroberts007

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Absolutely.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Espn has shown sport commentators don’t need to know a sport deeply. You just have to say dramatic things and make a sound effect.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Entertain 👍🦋

Chris...I love your analysis of bicycle races. But I also love what GNC has done for cycling. Going from a very entertaining KZread channel, it has grown to be the most important distributor of cycle races of all types in the world. It has allowed fans like me to have the possibility of watching innumerable races that I had no access before them. Besides that, they present very interesting programs with new technology, documentaries, controversies, etc. For their races they bring in different commentators that may have different views and styles. And that makes it even more interesting. Most of us enjoy the races but also want to know the name of the church or castle being shown, as well as some of the history of the place, the race, previous runs, etc. And they deliver. Your analysis is clearly more focused for folks that want to learn about race strategy. Although fascinating for me and many, I think it would not be as interesting to many listeners. And this is true for most sports. So it's not a competition between you and them.

Again Chris for the win. So much appreciate these breakdowns.

Only one channel has improved my cycling knowledge - this one!

Chris, good commentary. I watch GCN, like you said, for the phenomenal coverage. The commentary, to me, is entertainment and give me a a good chuckle, especially Adam Blythe :) Good show!

@dorgam5187

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Actually Adam Blythe with all his flamboyant clothing is pretty much on the money , I have never heard him say nonsense , he knows what he is talking about .

@iamthedalilama

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That cherry mohair jumper though was a bit much. Totally distracted me. It made me want to spend a load of money on slot machines.

Great information Chris. I really enjoy your view on racing.

They are always on the edge on the tire selections, been there, but with disc taking longer to change seems like they should error on the side of not flatting.

If I could summarize my problems with GCN, it's that they run out of interesting and original things to say. They're all about pumping out content.

@gobears6487

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One thing I like about NBC with Phil and Bob right now, they are ok with periods of silence. It's really appreciated on my end.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Dan Lloyd is an exceptionally good commentator. Compare his work to almost anyone on Eurosport, and he comes out as easily the best they have. Many of the commentators speak over each other, have no charisma, or seem to be in a constant state of confusion. I find this video odd, actually. Your analysis is excellent, but I wonder whether your live commentary would be superior to Dan Lloyd. Maybe it would. Maybe not.

OUTSTANDING! The best NO BS cycling coverage that tells the truth and how it unfolds on the internet. Great work Chris.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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An additional comment/question... The sector of cobbles where they put the barricades on the dirt road were awesome, force the riders onto the cobbles. What are your thoughts on doing this for all cobble sections? IMO, the Cobbles MAKE the race :)! Thanks!

@maartends6051

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It isnt a dirt path on that sector it is paved. The reason they dont punt barricades at every sector is safety, you want to have a way where you can go to avoid crashes infront of you. Whit barricades it feels like you are trapped…

I loved GCN when it was just Lloyd/Richardson/Stephens/Last. When Matt left and Eurosport came into the picture, the content became repetitive, and everything, including most DIY maintenance videos, come across as infomercials. And not to mention everyone wants to be a comedian. When they get a presenter of your caliber and pro-peloton history, Chris, it may spark my interest again.

Lets not worry about another networks “channel” just keep doing your thing brother!

Thanks, I needed to hear this.

The mic drop at the end 😂

I mostly listen to swedish commentary and the expert side kick is Anders Adamsson who I think knows bicycling and tactics more than most I have heard. He is funny as well.

Bahahahh the dual mic drop was perfect haha

I’m just glad I don’t have to find some bs feed in some other language that keeps crashing. It’s much easier to be a cycling fan then it was a decade ago.

The end. Mic drop. LMAOOOOO

I watched that Basque Country stage with the Spanish audio with Alberto Contador and company at the mic. They were all so happy with Landa result because he hand had a good result in some time. I guess sometimes the minor placing do matter.

Great analysis, finally someone that tells it how it is, instead of trying to stir up drama by blaming riders that werent at fault. Then again, i do think that the reason WVA didnt want to work with MVDP (when they were away first) is because he felt more pressure than MVDP to win a classic, due MVDP already having won San Remo this season and the Tour of Flanders twice before. He didnt want to use his legs too much before an eventual sprint, because both he and MVDP knew that as soon as they were on Carrefour de l'arbre, none of the other riders would be able to follow them, and they would be on for a duel. Earlier attacks would be just making the race even more quick and more hard, and the harder the race is, the smaller the advantage of WVA becomes in the sprint.

Great analysis again Chris!

Okay. Chris, big fan of yours, long-time fan of GCN for many years and I always credit GCN with bringing me to the cycling vid party, who knew our community of riders was such a big, cool deal? And with commentary, all just the way we call strikes and balls and I, for one, enjoy various perspectives on screen and in the comments. And Dan does a great job with his weekly news round-up and last Mondsy, I particularly appreciated the aerial stop-motion footage of the two Alpercin teammates' movement to the right and the moment John D. lost control of his bike as he maintained his line in the gutter to the right of the cobbles. So it goes both ways for fans like me, I appreciate GCN, I appreciate you. And if you had a call-in show, there'd be times when I'd be on the line like a passionate baseball fan, "Chris, you're wrong about this and don't gimme that jive about your quarter-century of racing ten-speeds all over the place." And it'd be fun to get all irate like a Red Sox or Yankees fan. 😂

Double mike-drop at the end was a hoot!

LOVE the mic drop!

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Garrett’s added work there. 👊🦋🎤

hi Chris, i enjoy the GCN channel and certainly have learned a lot there...including the fact that their kit is outrageously expensive (along with everything else in cycling..damn). but the GCN+ does NOT have broadcast rights for TDF in Canada where i live. (nor would/could they ask about using a vpn to get this). As far as technical analysis goes, you and Lanterne Rouge are the GOLD standard. Please keep up the great work.

As a cycling fan who is unable to attend International races, I enjoy cycling coverage from many media sources even non English coverage. I enjoy GCN and many of the other sources available. I don't need to have in depth minutiae of tactics explained or to be reminded of what happened in such and such a race 20 years ago.

GCN is a great platform and awesome for cycling fans. Some of the commentary can be questionable for sure. But it's still entertaining for the most part. I see you ripping apart the riders and the DS's decisions as well. So it's hardly surprising that the commentators are also getting it wrong. The multilingual members of my cycling club choose to watch it in other languages. If you can speak Spanish you can see if Contador does a better job 👍

@PolarRed

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I watch it in spanish and i can tell you they're way worse than the uk ones! Contador is particularly excruciating.

@zerog4261

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I really enjoy Carlton Kirby, not because he's always on the money but because he loves cycling. It's also hard to fill in the gaps when nothing is really happening, that in itself is a skill

@danroberts007

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@@zerog4261 Carlton sure can talk. 😐

@chadmartinez459

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I don’t get why Horner feels the need to criticize other commentators. Insecure? Giant ego? Or both? Just cover the cycling please.

@Mike-rm1lb

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​@@PolarRedI've been watching the french feed. Some good moments with Jalabert and Marion Rousse, but UK feed is more consistent. They have a bigger pool of commentators. And Carlton Kirby is not ubiquitous anymore.

That mic drop at the end 🤣

GCN's monopoly over streaming is getting frustrating. They have a great amount of coverage but are extremely bias towards certain riders (Pogacar, Ineos, other British riders, etc). I just wish there were more alternative streaming providers.

@abritandhisbikeinpoland6802

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That's your perception mate! I am English and I couldn't give a shit about Team Ineos! Team Ineos has 31 riders of which 10 are British. The other 21 riders are from 12 other nationalities.The rest of the team from management, doctors, mechanics, DS, chefs, admin etc etc consists of 96 people, of which 36 are British and the rest of the staff are from 21 different countries. 50% of the team's partners are British! GCN last year employed a new commentator Australian Robbie McEwen, he never stops mentioning the Australian riders, and I'm sure an American commentator would bang on about American riders, well what little there are of them? Anyway, thank god it is British base channel, because if the Americans got hold of it, i dread to imagine how they would fill it full of razzmatazz, cheerleaders, military fly pasts etc etc just like they have turned Formula 1 into a cheap gimmicky Dallas style puke fest, think yourself lucky its British!

@Acyclingfan

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NBC hopefully not on Peacock.

I would subscribe to GCN+, but they don’t show the TdF or the Vuelta in my country. Maybe worth signing up for April through June, though 🤔

By the way, are these e-cars and e-motorcycles in front and among the bike riders these days or do pros still have to inhale exhaust?

LOL! Love the mike drop!

GREAT ANALYSIS!!!

This is way better than Twitter fingers. I’m always listening to horners breakdowns they’re absolutely the best. Maybe GCN should just hire Chris

It's always easier to do a post analysis of a race when everything's over and the outcome is known, but in the heat of the moment, analyzing tactics is always a slippery slope, and I notice a lot of ex pro riders consultants can be proven wrong when trying to guess what happens during a race. If the winner eventually wins, they'll be proven right no matter what their tactics was (and of course you've got Movistar tactics no one understands). But yeah sometimes I'm scratching my head when listening to them (not only GCN, Laurent Jalabert or Christophe Riblon as well)

Chris, I like you looking for the controversies. I don't always agree with you, but you always come up with great insight and strong arguments. Keep it up! - I recently subscribed to GCN+ - I am happy with it, because it makes fitting watching races into a busy working/family life so much easier - and I hate interruptions with commercials - especially the ridiculously stupid ones on Eurosport. The level of their commentary indeed has room for improvement - but there are some gems already - If they are really brave, they will invite you.

Jonas had already won the GC of that race. It is not an equal comparison to the Women's Paris Roubaix, which is a 1-day race. They are absolutely not "almost identical." I agree with you on all other scenarios.

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Then I got a good percentage going. Which is all one can hope for. 😜👊🦋

MVDP had just started his attack going to pass Phillipson on the right. John anticipated and started pushing those pedals. If Phillipson had kept his line, no crash. MVDP was luck to stay up himself.

As much as I like your videos this one is with you as the Knuckle head. GCN is fabulous and entertaining and light hearted and don’t need in hindsight criticism. Do a better job yourself than them and then criticise I suggest. No one gets it right all the time. Best wishes

@daveallenwex1962

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@for the love of God! that would be excellent 👍 thanks 🙏.

I this was very tame, I was expecting for you to really go to town, but you kept it professional, which is very telling of you, nothing gets personal. I don't think you even mentioned Brian Smith once, when he was lost from the commentary the other day and couldn't be brought back it made things so much better!!! Great video though, your insight has made me ask questions when watching, even with the commentators are saying the tactics are fine, I'm thinking, really, I bet Chris will have something to say about this later, and often you do!!!

Spring cleaning! The fenders came off the gravel bike today!

I watch GCN as it's pretty much the only coverage in New Zealand. But I always look forward to your analysis of the stage to break it all down!

Good vid Chris, I agree with you 100 %.

Thanks Chris! I didn't like that they were implying that Wout is afraid. While listening to their blah blah I kept on thinking what you would say in the butterfly effect.

I have a lot of respect for Chris' knowledge from both a rider and commentator level. I do agree some of the commentators on GCN leave a lot to be desired. However I could say the same thing about some of the NBC commentators that we, in the USA, were essentially forced for years to listen to because we never had access to anything else. I've enjoyed Adam Blythe and Nicolas Roches' color commentary because they are only recently out of the modern peloton, with more current knowledge of riders and team dynamics. I very much enjoy GCN and Flobikes, in spite of some of the commentators, simply because they have opened tons of races, and not just road, to us here in the US.

@johanf9279

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I think Chris too much analyse races based on how it was back in his time. It is a new era now. I trust sports directors know what they are doing. Same with riders.

@davesans8536

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The NBC commentators are the worst just watch this years Paris-Nice horrible . GCN worst day is still better then NBC

Nice work Chris .

The best thing about Horner’s commentary is he will remind you that he was a pro for 25 every single time.

@DirtRoadie

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Or the worst thing.

Love the sign-off graphic!!!

@ChrisHornerCycling

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Hey Chris, you do what no one else does in cycling, take care of your brand, we know the difference!

The end with the mics is just golden....

@ChrisHornerCycling

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