I'm in charge of the Quality at my place of work, and I hate it when the boss tells me to let work go out that I know is wrong , I believe that this has stopped us from getting more orders. When the customer has little trust in you to get the work right first time, then you have failed. A customers won't tell you they are going to pull orders from you, they will just do it without warning.

@franciscolinares7392

2 жыл бұрын

I had a boss where they would squeeze and bend the hell out of the calipers to measure out of dimension parts to get "closer" to dimension so to pass them haha

@keefjunior4061

2 жыл бұрын

Damn. You sound like you work at my place. Not in Reno, are ya?

@mw8580

2 жыл бұрын

@@fubartotale3389 I've had job interviews where the people doing the interview didn't have a clue about the job and how to interview, I've lost interest in a job in the interview because the company turned out to be a cowboy outfit. I could tell the company where I work now had problems with it's quality side of things, but I've managed to turn a lot of it round. It is my first quality control job as I've always been a machinist, CNC Turner.

@mw8580

2 жыл бұрын

@@keefjunior4061 no

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

I had a buddy that worked QA in a shop. We had made batch of parts for Lockheed that were out of print, JUST barely. Management told him to ship them any way. He handed them the paperwork and the pen. He then said "I'll sign under your signature". Management looked confused for a moment then left the room. After they got out of hearing range we all busted up laughing.

The standard plater's contract states they are not financially responsible for your parts. Boom. EPA regs make it impossible to do it yourself. So yeah, find a great plater and make friends with them.

Titan honestly this is the best advice i came across in your channel. If you don't double check every step of the process yourself, things will go wrong. It really helps when you share these stories. Simply because nobody speaks about them.

As a carpenter I love listening to Titan because most people I talk to in my industry drop the details quickly and forget about them. It's usually too much money. But it's nice to hear him speak. Relaxing.

Our vendor would give us hand decorated holiday themed cookies. I knew that guy for years at other places and he treated us right.

Yea, when we aren't allowed to use anyone other than Boeing approved painthouses, and they are all well below par as far as reliability and competence, we are out of luck. Our platers just repeatedly do work that would make a 5 year old proud, a month late and out of spec. Way to go, Boeing.

@godbluffvdgg

2 жыл бұрын

Living nearly close enough to Boeing Vertol to hit them with a rock, I've met a lot of guys, Everybody is getting paid...it's taxpayer money; those recommendations are kicking back...It's the way that business works...Meh, keeps the lights on...

man titan you are killing it with these videos you are great that's what the industry needs the most man, experience. this is fabulous keep the videos going .

Wonderful story and an important message. Thank you.

I agree with everything you say, we print labels and go through the same thing with vendors and ourselves. We’re a ISO certified company and truly take pride in are high end labels just like your CNC work.

Same thing happens with heat treatment. We've been doing it in-house for years and have learnt so much !

Man that table came out amazing man!!! Super clean / next level! I bet it makes meetings feel wicked official!

Completely sympathise. Seems finishers always just put the blame on you. "thats your finish not ours" They all seem the same. We finally found "okay enough" finishers which help. But this is why Ima huge proponent to bringing in as many operations in house as possible. Its the only way to have true and honest control over your product.

@jimmurphy6095

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is now you have to have serious up front and continuing costs for environmental compliance. With regulations requiring parts per billion discharges, you will find yourself spending more and more on less of your real business.

Amazing work guys.

Great practical video. Real life problems shops face, including the medical device industry. Laser marking issues would probably make great video content also. Good on you for putting this content out.

great topic. We worked at Lockheed Martin plant making F22 electronic components. We had to machine some areas undersize to allow for gold plate and Cad plate build up. So that the .002 location tolerance lined up after plate.

this exact thing happened to me a couple months ago! I made these perfect parts that had bearing fits and 0-80 tapped hole's that I know dang well I thoroughly checked.. we sent them for anodizing and when they came back, all dimensions were .015" small.. the 0-80 screws dropped in the tapped holes and i was accused of not checking my parts and was blamed for the loss... I obviously did my research and sure enough I was able to prove my innocence's. apparently the parts were left in the acid bath for way too long.. good to know

Dude... I feel ya on this one. Our plater ruined a batch of parts just last week. Third time since July 6th in fact. Actually considering getting into the plating game.

@BPond7

2 жыл бұрын

A shop I used to work for was considering the same thing, but the cost was so prohibitive, with all the environmental regulations and restrictions. May you have better luck, sir!

Your the best i ever seen you explained to a Tee from plastic to aluminium , Steel and titanium , Cheers from Australia 👌

oh man your are right on the bottom, this problem i have every time in my trade, after coating dimensions are not to specs. 3,00 mm hole will be smaller and so on. Sure Platters have there differences qualities too. I realy like your honesty towards your customer and your vendor. This makes and breaks a business. As soon as a part has what my industry calls "A" surface you need process other wise one will get stuck between a hard place and a rock. I always told my team, that mistakes or errors happens,..and forklift s ..ok shit happens. BUT ONLY ONCE! After that we have a process. down to the bone. Wishing all of your team a good start into monday

Well, if you think anodization is frustrating, try electroplating! 90% of our company's products (musical instrument parts) require electroplating into nickel, chrome, black chrome and gold. Some of the parts also needs to be chrome plated and then sent to another vendor to be PVD plated. The number of plating related issues are mind boggling, it goes from plating adherence, bubbles, pits, dots, scratches, burnt corners, nickel exposure on chrome parts and of course part tolerances thrown way off. On top of that, there are always new "surprises" or old problem we thought had been resolved only to resurface a couple years later. My boss was so frustrated with the platers he spent the money and did our own plating facility years ago just to get the rejection rate under control. BUT that facility is now causing us even more problems because we still get all the plating-related issues PLUS the government bureaucracy on environmental regulations. Eventually we probably still would close our own plating facility and outsource, it is just getting more and more expensive every year to run one.

@somethingelse4424

2 жыл бұрын

Point taken. On the issue of government regulation though, I'm imagining a world where the industry is unregulated. I'm sure you are more familiar with the chemicals, and chemical wastes that are created than me, but I know you wouldn't want them dumped into the ground near your house or near the aquifer that supplies your family's drinking water. I completely get that regulations are often created by people that don't understand the industry, but we also wouldn't want it unregulated. From the material handler or operator that just wants a drum of waste out of their area, to the CFO who sees how much proper disposal costs on the ledger, there's a likelihood that nasty stuff gets forgotten or dumped someplace it shouldn't. I see all kinds of nasty shit getting pressure washed into the municipal drains at the hot wash station and sometimes wonder how the city deals with it, or if anyone even knows what it is or where it came from.

Yup. Always do a first article sample, or a test piece sample whenever going out of house, even with an established vendor to ensure they both understand the requirements as well as their ability to perform to those requirements. Great video by the way! Ya'all do outstanding work.

Outside vendors can really wreck a years worth of struggle and planning

Had to watch this one twice. Forgot to listen the first time when that awesome table was on))

Titan, A business associate of mine who is wealthy both in his financial and personal life told me a secret about how to gauge how reliable a vendor and customer will be for mutual business benefits was this. In general the employee of any company will treat their working environment (which includes your parts) half as well as they perceive the employer treats them. The employee will treat your business as half as good as they feel they get treated by their employer. Treating people like family will yield more than just monitory profit (as you are more than aware of). God bless you and those in your family.

You have to be very specific and communicate very clearly with any plater. Simply sending a PO and a drawing is not enough. I spent 7yrs as a plating/anodize quality engineer and have seen problems stem from miscommunication hundreds of times.

@michaelf.2449

2 жыл бұрын

Most the time the plater just has shitty quality control or employees who don't care. It's simple

Good lesson on metallurgy. I'm still learning new stuff in that category.

@mcadamdavid1

2 жыл бұрын

2nd finishers will outright lie to get the work. they may have employed loons to specialist industrial saboteurs as embedded or sleepers or cartel mafia sleepers. as process machinists, many are international industry murders as criminal psychopaths. They write machines off/workers take workers' children hostage. too much bad luck get CSI/FBI in. when their second job isn't saboteur as well..from Dave McAdam x-ministry of defense worker in the Uk.

The company I work for lost tens of thousands in parts over the years due to anodizing issues. We switched anodizers 3x, and they all have issues. They always say how they don’t screw up parts and all that, but they all do the same thing. They deliver parts not anodized to spec, off color, with damage, spots, irregularities, and they always just don’t care. They usually still charge for the work, but will ‘rework’ for free. That’s great and all, but none of our parts can be reworked. We need to make new parts and deliver them again, praying they come out. It’s insanity how this is normal and expected in this industry.

@quickturn66

2 жыл бұрын

One time they left my part in the etch so long it completely dissolved

@michaelf.2449

2 жыл бұрын

Can you not refuse to pay if it's in the contract that their failure isn't your problem?

@ericspda

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelf.2449 Maybe, but the anodizing is 1/100th the cost of the parts… Normally they just redo them for free. But you’re out of pocket the cost of the parts, which can be A LOT. Some parts can be etched and reanodized, some must be remade.

@michaelf.2449

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericspda yeah I understand I know the possibility of having them covering the part cost would be basically impossible

The quality of parts that you guys make is incredible!

@mikehoncho2640

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to CNC machining

@williamlind2843

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikehoncho2640 Right! This guy must not be a machinist.

@mikehoncho2640

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamlind2843 Lmao most likely

@dirtboy896

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Looking at each other (other businesses) as partners in the same venture is so important! I wish that all businesses would get this but some don't. If they just won't get it then it's time to move on.

I had an experience with getting prt coated in a teflon type/non stick/ high heat application. I kept getting parts that failed specs because of an un-even, and even "orange peel", type of surface. Some parts were perfect. It was hit and miss. It got to the point where we had to serialize every single part, and required a tracking document with each part, and who did each individual process. This slowed down the turnover time, but very quickly we found the problem. Every single part that failed came from one employee, who was setting machine wrong, every time he coated our parts. All of this trouble, just for one person to screw up hundreds of thousands of dollars in parts. Just goes to show how even one employee can ruin an entire business for hundreds of others.

We do a lot of anodized aluminum. Hard coat and standard clear. Thankfully they note most drawings to mask threaded holes before anodizing.

im a anodizing specialists, have been doing it for 12 years now. You cant fix it and keep the tolerances, reanodizing something will never look as nice as the first time. (and the labor required to strip and repolish is insane) Theres a high chance that because you "scottch brighted /sandpapered" the surface, when you now etch this part, the etching will look uneven across the surface so the operator would of kept it in the etch bath untill he see's an even etching. I reccomend you never disturb a machined surface if you plan on getting it anodized. If you want to make your parts bright, you can change the etching solutiion to an etching/brighting solution, we use it and get beautiful finish's every time.

@JonoColwell

2 жыл бұрын

@@____________________ok If you're dry bead blasting consider wet bead blasting/vapor blasting/vapour honing, whatever you want to call it, provides a brighter finish.

@terrakill247

2 жыл бұрын

@@____________________ok All of your brightening should be before anodizing, you can use a brighting etch, or add a brightening stage in after etching. is your part machined or cast? what media are you blasting with as it could be leaving deposits and are you desmutting your part after etching? knowing the type of aluminium and its age is also very important. theres a crazy amount of variables to anodizing. its not so simple.

@JonoColwell

2 жыл бұрын

@@____________________ok I've had some parts blasted in this manner, assuming the blaster knows what they are doing you'll get the vast majority of the tool marks off, of course it depends on your finish from the machine with rougher finishes requiring harsher blasts, it could be possible to do a two stage blast? Dry blast to remove the machining marks and then wet blast to get the finish?

@JonoColwell

2 жыл бұрын

@@____________________ok Sure, happy to take a look.

That is a bad ass table

Yo titan do you have a walkthrough of your machine shop? Or if not would be cool if you posted one.

Awesome information Titan! I would love to know more about you video inside the enclosure. I saw a GoPro in the end with a pretty cool 3D printed housing and the very end of the video I don’t even know what camera and housing that was??

@seafreak62

2 жыл бұрын

They have a video of them 3D printing custom housing for their GoPro’s and Sony’s. Worth a watch.

I’ve had the plater fuck up more parts than I’d care to mention. Multiple different platers all over the country, same issues.

We had a plater FAIL to properly mask the bearing race bores on a series of large cast iron gear boxes which was FUN to bring back to SIZE

This happened at my internship company too. 800 parts which were anodized improperly. But the platers were able to fix it. Phew

We used to get parts military green anodized they where a different colour green every single time ended up finding a place miles away but they get the results we needed it is worth doing some research and sending test samples to get it right otherwise. Throwing all your hard work in the bin is devastating

@WilXliFY

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of quality is involved in getting color synchronized to be the same every time. There are a lot of variables involved. The finish itself from the machining or the texturizing of a part, in addition to the dye makeup change overtime through a specific tank. Filtration and flow of that specific tank can change an appearance as well under severe conditions. Maintaining pH level is most critical. I can go on and go with all the things I've experienced with a specific dedicated customer that I essentially worked for.

Verry good video, there's still a lot to learn for me

@mcadamdavid1

2 жыл бұрын

2nd finishers will outright lie to get the work. they may have employed loons to specialist industrial saboteurs as embedded or sleepers or cartel mafia sleepers. as process machinists, many are international industry murders as criminal psychopaths. They write machines off/workers take workers' children hostage. too much bad luck get CSI/FBI in. when their second job isn't saboteur as well..from Dave McAdam x-ministry of defense worker in the Uk.

@peterfitzpatrick7032

2 жыл бұрын

The real lesson here... is learning NEVER stops !! And I like that... it keeps my brain active... 🙄😏

@peterfitzpatrick7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcadamdavid1 Dave... for the love of God ... step away from the pipe... 🙄😂

@nathanthomas8184

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcadamdavid1 007 of engineering Wow acedemy award stuff

This has happened to me several times, both anodized and chromed parts. Good platers are difficult to find and can make or brake your success.

I would always treat a plater just as I would someone I was licensing one of my patents to... a clear contract that detailed every single part of the process and I would also supply a check list that the plater had to fill out at each phase of his process for each batch of parts... any missed anything and the plater agreed to buy the parts... MOST platers would run from all of this but I would find one or two that had no issue and certainly charged more of course, then I would give the plater 3 parts, that's all.. three.. when they were finished I could show up and discuss the outcome with the Owner.. nobody is going to treat your parts the way you are going to treat your parts.... remember this always

When heard they left things in bath.. i have heard this locally happen too and how parts just went so bad..

Hard anodized is a pain type 2 not so bad , we would roll form threads or change bore sizes to accommodate

We once had a 20t counter weight for one of our cranes sent over from our sister factory in Germany and customs cut it open checking for contraband and then just sent it on...we had to repair the whole thing

@sindriatlason6925

2 жыл бұрын

who had to pay for the repair?

@Bawbag0110

2 жыл бұрын

@@sindriatlason6925 We did

@sindriatlason6925

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bawbag0110 are customs actually allowed to cut up things and not pay for damages if there was nothing illegal to be found?

@Bawbag0110

2 жыл бұрын

@@sindriatlason6925 Afraid so...unless my company lied about it but that's what they said

LMAO!! Going through that now. Plater sent me photos of dinged up parts. There is no way they left here like that.

Been there, felt that pain.

That's a badass table. Where do I apply lol.

I have used four different PVD/DLC processing places and each has destroyed expensive parts. Seems a common issue in the industry. Sad part is they have no financial responsibility for the ruined parts.

I literally had the same thing happened at a shop I worked at

this is why I anodize my own parts in house, its not a complex process once you understand it.

Titan, I recently started at a shop that is having me mill pipe on a mazak vtc-300c. The quality of the machining is terrible. Any advice on getting pipe to machine better? Tooling?

Can you do your own anodizing? Then it's totally under your control. I've had similar experiences over the years where anodizers delivered sub-standard parts.

When ppl say move manufacturing back…..they conveniently ignore or are oblivious to these costs….a good employee is invested in taking those loses to heart and take ownership rather than say not my problem. Reminds me of how ppl crap on government being wasteful…while they are oblivious to private business whether SME or a corporation simply absorb those waste costs and are able to dilute it into their P&L

That is why you first send a sample to anodise, not a whole batch. It's an amateur move.

bad ass table

LOL, I was just watching "Aluminum Casting Motorcycle Engine Cover" From Pakistan. On "Wow Things" channel. Worlds apart.

Every time something leaves your shop for another vendor to work on it is when things usually go wrong. Never assume outside vendors have the same idea of quality as you do; I’ve even taken the step of creating in-house capabilities to eliminate this problem, though facility and staffing are the limit to that approach.

This is a common problem with vendors. We have been supplying remote inspection systems that are set up at the vendor so that you can conduct inspections on demand during the process - before they can ruin all your parts. I'm still amazed that companies have not jumped on remote inspection so that you can have more touch points for critical parts without the long notification times, travel cost or cost of third party inspectors.

You be surprised how offen you get fork through the product. It doesn't matter what you put on the box. We have do not double stack and the trucking company still triple stacks it lol.

What are your thoughts on sending in test parts with known features to qualify their process before committing to a customer batch of parts?

@matthewschultz5199

2 жыл бұрын

That would make too much sense for rich boy to understand.

As a business owner; I feel ya...The incompetence, in virtually ALL industries, is staggering. They screw the pooch CONSTANTLY in my business (construction) routinely; it's only getting worse... ...Nobody cares. Nobody wants to put the effort out to please the customer...Self absorbed over charging idiots...Employees barely earn their pay...The hustle died with disco...:(...Good luck to you...You're in one of THE most demanding industries...If you screw the pooch; people die, or millions of dollars in damage can occur...:)

At my shop we got a Titanium shaft in that is 200 inches long that we had an outside company turn and during the shipping process it some how fell out of the box and is now all scratched and out of spec. So we have to re-machine and weld up a bunch of spots because of the outsourcing company's bad boxing job. Not only that but it is going to be months late to the customer because we do not stock grade 7 titanium welding rod in house and it will take a couple weeks to get the rod.

Added value is the part increasing in value put into it at every step of machining. If you screw up on the last step, that is a nightmare, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PART THAT TOOK A LONG TIME TO MAKE! Often times you will get lucky and a customer will choose to offer a "Budget Minded" part to salvage some of that value.

I used to make these stainless parts that would be sent to the polishers. Well, they got the parts so hot polishing, they warped and we had to fix them by manipulating them back. This was early 1990's so I do not remember how successful it was. On a side note at the same place the owner would convert metric dimensions to US on the prints. Well, one day he divided by 24.5 instead of 25.4 lol. Was not a huge loss, but I thought it was funny.

Wow i’ve had this problem happened to many times hundreds of thousands of dollars scrapped by platers it’s infuriating. I had precision parts as though it was 6061 aluminum but it was actually a mic six class and they burn the parts burned them scrap. And they were NADCAP rated.

Dont you guys hav a section where ppl do some manual finishing to the parts you Just machined? Or is a third party that takes care of that? tx

I would've assumed you would machine threads AFTER plating, as threads aren't high precision locating features anyways so you could get away with a careful dial in and post operation. Opinions?

You should make a custom otf knife with your brand on it. I'd buy one.

Exactly what happened with our parts, over 600 parts got scrapped, other 300 came out of tolerance, 200 not the requested color.

I've had some parts that were welded get failed by the client's inspector . We used a independent inspector recommend by the client who said they were all in spec . Our shop got another inspection done by a different specialist and were told yes they are in spec . . . It didn't matter . If the client says no start again

@angrydragonslayer

2 жыл бұрын

I used to work at a jobshop that sued a client for this exact thing (it was in sweden, contract law here is harsh on violators if you have a proper contract set up) The client went under due to the lawsuit and the loss of their own clients but the shop Also lost ~60% of their orders (small town, the owner of the client business knew a lot of people) and had to move due to that.

Does anything ever go right at your shop?

You should start doing your own platting that would be awesome BOOM

Wow. I work at an aluminum extrusion factory and we do our own anodizing. I can't believe these guys don't have systems that will automatically remove the parts from the acid etch and from various tanks. I'm betting they do have timers but people running cranes to manually remove these parts. If they don't make sure to always have someone present if that process finishes a d the person left for the bathroom, coffee break, or lunch the material will stay in too long. They should have a process that ensures parts are never left alone. We only do type 3 anodizing, and only silver, or something on the scale of light beige-brown-black. And only on parts we manufacture ourselves.

You turned yourself into an expert in anodizing, and so the video becomes a very good introduction. Yet, your problem is on the business side. It is the contract which has to guarantee (more or less) that you get what you want. Now you know all or a lot about the process, but using another company is about using their experience and skill-set, not having to acquire it later on. Please note, this is no critique, I have had the same learning experience. So the question is what can you do to prevent it from happening. One thing is a profound audit, the other is a good contract.

Hmm. Anodizing is NOT a plating process. Anodizing does not stick to the surface, it is a conversion process. It converts the top surface of the aluminium into a porous layer of aluminium oxide, the die is infused into the pores and then the surface is sealed. You are 100% right on the packaging though. Instead of wrapping the parts, the best way is to deliver the parts in custom trays, the parts come out, get anodized and go straight back into your custom packaging trays. My business partner runs a an anodizing shop in northern Idaho, his trick for winning business is easy: just be very very good!

How much would one of those hooks cost.

I usually send process coupons to verify the result of their processes

Let's see what your documentation looks like. Show us one of your tool sheets, if it's separate or incorporated into the prog printout ?

Same story happened with me I sent my job to powder coating that guy sand blasted the part with too much pressure as my parts were bent the total lot was rejected supplier was not taking the risk of bearing the loss I was very frustrated man

Theres a reason we have Murphys Law... 🙄 Plating is a test of excellence just as much as CNC... 🤔

And that’s why having a solid contract is key..They need to spell out Everything… If they can hold tolerances they are just done.. Don’t send them high dollar time sensitive parts..send test parts to confirm their process

I have first hand experienced this, It’s frustrating as hell. Platers and couriers alike seem to have a free hit in the industry if they scrap parts or loose parts they just wash it off as “these things happen”. I have lost thousands because of this.

Have them process a test batch to define the quality standard for the bulk contract, get secured with a special contract that defines the compensation paid out if the work is sub standard. Might not play out that way in reality but that's how it should go.

Yo this happened to me but instead of plates it was rods they where supposed to turn down but ended up making them all undersized making us throw away 250 parts

A operation like yours should do all the finishing in house, total control over your product is the ultimate insurance policy. Remember that Titan ;)

@terrakill247

2 жыл бұрын

Never mix a plating plant and a machine shop, always keep separate. The chemicals and fumes in the air of a plating plant will attack and corrode everything, even with very good extraction. its a whole different ball game.

@peterfitzpatrick7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrakill247 in-house doesn't mean literally in the same physical building (though a properly set up plating plant should also have premium environmental control implementation).. but you are correct in the rest of your comment.

@peterfitzpatrick7032

2 жыл бұрын

Brandon, at some stage, you have to trust your partners... you can't control EVERYTHING yourself & this video proves just how much you depend on others being as professional as you & their efforts in reaching for that same level of excellence. Think about it, you have to depend on materials suppliers, cutting-tool manufacturers, metrology equipment suppliers... & many more... "No man is an island" 😎👍☘️🍺

@jimmurphy6095

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterfitzpatrick7032 That "premium environmental control" will cost as much to run as the machine shop, maybe more. The only way to make it profitable, would be to take in outside work. now you're a plater.

Our platers did something similar

There is something to be said about hiring quality workers and retaining them. Sure you can hire cheaper labor, but if you cant produce a product with less than a 5% scrap rate,is that labor actually efficient? Real Craftspersons/ labor take pride in the work they do and take it personally if they make something sub par. I just ordered a “new” replacement cylinder head for a forklift. When it showed up in the factory sealed box that was packaged superbly with absolutely no shipping damage and I opened it to find a 200mm x 1 mm deep scratch/ groove in the sealing surface. This clearly happened after it was machined. Im guessing it happened before it was put in the box by an employee who had no clue of what they were handling and just slid it across the floor or something. The retailer sent another one out right away and said just throw the other one away. $675 loss for that retailer on just one part because someone just earning a paycheck couldn’t care less about the part.

How about sending a QC guy to check the platers performance as they are being plated?

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

I worked at a shop where we had auditors visit every outside service we used including the places we got our material from. If they didn't have process in place to make sure the jobs were done right we crossed them off the list of approved vendors. Some places got upset about being audited by a customer, but we did it anyway.

@matthewschultz5199

2 жыл бұрын

Makes too much sense.

Not only do the plater's screw up the coatings but they do it on their time frame as well..

Sure is a challenging business. You can't control what you have to send out, almost anyone in this business has experienced this type of issue, it's not a matter of if, but when!

I have parts that have to flat within.001 and the platers warped all 800 pieces.

@mitchrothermel8157

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing to like.

For some reason all the welders that we tried out scrap parts because they can't keep parts flat (in welding tolerance)

Was told by a old guy you get buildup on crest and root of threads

To get on in this industry you need to be able to trust your outside vendors,if you can't trust the vendors then it's an up hill struggles so half the job is to find a vendor yih can trust its half the job done

Vendor control is also your responsibility.

It's a caustic soda bath heated by steam.

Is that Tank Abbott? Asking for a friend

@TITANSofCNC

2 жыл бұрын

😁

You want a non-standard contract where they are liable for making good on their own process failure. Insurance would be advised.

Oh hell no. Make the Platers reimburse you for time and materials. They took the job and couldn't deliver the specs and ruined the parts.

@bstevermer9293

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck with that 👌