Very nice demonstration of exponential population growth of rodents in the absence of predators!

That little edit at 32:34, first time seeing LegenVD highlighting their poor behaviour out.

@dabeul3101

8 ай бұрын

so satisfying to watch him win ghat

@NecroGuy360

8 ай бұрын

I laughed so hard at the screen shake

@stefanoriva1738

8 ай бұрын

but I must say that the opponent's take on monoblack was refreshing, full of new or previously underused cards!

@Trader__CS

3 ай бұрын

@@NecroGuy360 yeah me too. got caught of guard with that

It's really interesting how the amount of copies created each turn once the combo is achieved follows the Fibonacci Sequence... Great video!

@Eyriour

8 ай бұрын

I thought the same and it tickled that part of my brain

Love how you really think through and talk through every play. Very cool insights!

Neon Dynasty Tamiyo has to be one of the coolest sleeper cards of standard! You always make such creative and intuitive decks, Luca! You're the best, man!!!

Aaaaand another deck I'm gonna craft. You make the most beautiful decks in Arena I swear. Great plays and commentary as usual as well. Thank you for treating us!

@LegenVD

7 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

The new KZread titles provide a lot of value.

@emaltman

8 ай бұрын

Sike

"You know why I play white plague" "Because you are a white pl-" "Because I am a white plague"

I think you are getting better at making interesting titles. This one is perfect in terms of vagueness and interesting enough to get clicks.

Looks like LVD has discovered the algorithm, good on him though, if anyone deserves to exploit it it's him.

@franbh94

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I like the former titles, but I guess that YT is a monster and we all have to submit to it.

@MTGJosh

8 ай бұрын

How is he exploiting it?

@Finnigan28

8 ай бұрын

What do you mean? Starting with My? Or something like that?

@soybomb777

8 ай бұрын

It's certainly a better alternative than "youtuber face" thumbnails or adopting a fake wacky personality

@utenteacaso404

8 ай бұрын

He Just make very good content

Rats. We're rats. We're the rats.

@LeMuzi

8 ай бұрын

Big as blooming cats

God that last game was good. Tamiyo did so much there. Insane.

What an awesome deck and idea, loved it!

56:14 - "So there is a scenario where we just make a lot of notebook tokens, keep activating them in full control." That won't work. All the 'copy' effects go on the stack and select a target before resolving in sequence. When the first book copy is made, legend rule kicks in, and you need to choose one. Keeping the 'new, untapped book' will remove the target for the copy effects that remain on the stack. Nice deck though, looks fun! Opponent's deck in match 5 also looked interesting.

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Indeed, same reason why making multiple Emperors wouldn’t work. Could still copy them once each turn at least.

the white plage miniature and the combo strategy gave me the chills haha, great video!

Tamiyo has got to be my favorite standard card right now, and I've been looking for a deck to make full use of her for a while! So glad to see her as the star of the video! Just the other day I was also thinking about trying to get Tamiyo and Three Blind Mice to work together, although I tried to see if I could make tokens of things like Broker's Ascendency and copy those - didn't end up working out, but it was a fun experiment. What do you think of See Double as a potential inclusion? It's a neat card that doesn't get a lot of attention - do you think it would be good enough as a backup plan, or would it just take up space that could be used to dig for combo pieces?

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Don't think See Double would work very well since it requires us to have 7 mana to set up the combo, while basically 2 cards in our hand weren't contributing the entire time we were holding them.

@alainassaf

8 ай бұрын

The youtuber Sloth has a more 'controlly' version of this combo. Maybe you can find some inspiration there too.

Happy to see blind mice and ritual doing work in standard! I saw a lot of naysayers talking about how bad they were compared to announcement/deluge

@davidhower7095

8 ай бұрын

It’s like, sure I guess being able to use Deluge twice is relevant. But Farsight gets you deeper into the deck for basically free, considering how many random tokens there are in standard.

@joshuakruger4851

8 ай бұрын

@@davidhower7095 for sure. Also curious of it can make it in pioneer creativity

I really like this deck! Might have to build it

Found your video through Twitter. Great vid!

I put mondrak in twice instead of two wandering emporers and the latgame is just nuts. It can flip the irencrag and is always a must removal even though it just enhances your strategy while not being required.

Great video and deck

48:55 so the only two things I would have done differently up to this point: 1) target different copies of Three Blind Mice tokens, so that the bulk of them actually resolve, if there is removal. 2) of all, I don't know if the choice was on purpose, but I would have cast the 1W Sorcery with the three modes one turn earlier instead of Faithful Mending. The reason is that all three modes would have been online and you would have had the sweeper for this turn plus the counter spell with casualties during the opponents turn. Other than that, thank you that's a very enjoyable deck to watch, especiall since 99,99% of the gameplay are just spot on! 👌❤

Been running this list after watching the video, super sick

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoy!

Legenvd with another banger. Also loved your draft with nicolai. Keep it up :)

@Mr.CoolDude0

8 ай бұрын

Nicolai and lvd teamed up? Where can I watch that!

Wonderful deck and video

wow this is the best deck I've ever seen in my life

Three Blind Mice token copying itself looks like a really interesting combo. Reminds me of the old Saheeli Rai/Felidar Soverign combo back in Kaladesh standard.

There's nothing like "Sticking It In" on mono red, it's like the first time.... every time.

I see you testing titles with viral potential LVD :D

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

I see what you did there!

This deck is something!!!! WP Legend

Yeah for sure going to play this.

YOUR GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Dude is singing his sagas in a round

So good. Always a great example. I wish I could keep such a level head 😂

This infinite combo is amazing :D

So i was brewing with this in historic and mythos but i forgot about tamiyo so this working in standard is so sweet. Grrat vid. Also idk if it was better than just making an army but that last turn or two you couldve also mavhine gunned down their board by copying wanderer with full control the way you mentioned with the journals which is a swret line to have available

19:00 great players have great foresight!

Mono black loosing to mice made me laugh

Urza's Sylex looks legit as a option. It could put a Mouse from battlefield into graveyard and go and get Tamiyo, clear the board. It just does not exile everything.

Is a see double maby a good thamio beck up too mack a tree blind mice token?

Edit: Unfortunately, this doesn’t actually work, since the Legend rule fizzles the remaining triggers. For that last game, you could copy Wandering Emperor a few more times to exile their entire board, since her abilities can be activated before the remaining Three Blind Mice triggers resolve. Not that it really mattered in the end though.

@NeonV01D

8 ай бұрын

Oops, turns out this doesn’t actually work. Legend rule causes the remaining Three Blind Mice triggers to fizzle after you make the first copy. My bad!

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

​@@NeonV01D We'll just have to settle for one free Emperor per turn!

@connergish9060

8 ай бұрын

@@NeonV01D that sounds like a bug. If nothing else it would at leat give an equal number of Planeswalker deaths. They are all individual triggers and there is no if clause to make future triggers invalid. Nothing about the trigger or emperor should prevent this. Did it do this with full control on?

@NeonV01D

8 ай бұрын

@@connergish9060 It’s not a bug. Since the sagas all trigger at once, they must all target the same Wandering Emperor token. When a copy is made, the original must be legend ruled to be able to activate the abilities of the new one. Since the saga triggers were targeting the original Wandering Emperor token, they fizzle, since it no longer exists.

I don't have the Tamiyos, so I think I'm gonna search for the Calix version I have heard about :)

@bounceday

8 ай бұрын

why not both

I've been looking for the best way to get this to work since finding Three Blind Mice, I've been using Invasion of Vryn with some UW flyers to try get the transformed battle and copy the spell, but it's been unreliable, this seems much better.

Interesting deck. I don't agree with some of the looting choices though. e.g. 47:32 I'd have kept revelry and ditched make disappear, as you've already stated it's lost value as the opponent has oodles of mana, and land + revelry here would be all 3 modes to help stall and incentivise the opponent to over extend. And at 50:50 I would have ditched both lands, as you already have 7 lands, Tamiyo doesn't do much on this board state so you can hold up incubate and the make disappear for the reinforcements they almost certainly have considering you can see they elected not to play a veteran with 2 mana up, and at worst can still flashback a mending. What I really don't understand is keeping 2 lands here when all you need to do is stall for time for mice supremacy?

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Those are all close decisions and I can definitely see your arguments. Going for Revelry does make a lot of sense and might've been the correct play, but with how they ended up using Soaring City on the Incubator it's possible that this worked out for the best. As a general rule of thumb I like hitting every land drop when playing a control deck that has access to lots of card draw effects, so might've been too much on autopilot at that point. With how conservative the opponent was playing that game I didn't really put them on Reinforcements for not playing the Veteran, but makes sense to keep a counter for it.

At 28:52, why wouldn't you just flashback the second mending during your turn so you can potentially hit your land drop? You were already pretty ahead so I doubt it would have mattered, but I was just wondering if there was some benefit of waiting to flashback mending.

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

At that point a land drop wasn't a priority and depending on what they play next I may or may not want to keep Sunfall in hand.

@austinp3688

8 ай бұрын

​@@LegenVDI hadn't considered waiting to hold see if you still want sunfall. Thanks LVD

just watching those mono red aggro decks with 6 lands..... no wonder why some builds have 13-15 lands in a deck XD

"Your go" means "You get to wait" every time for me

Dangit I thought everyone was going to sleep on Tamiyo....I'm currently building a bant self-mill around her.

I've been playing something similar, but green white with the combo being Calix and three mice. It works well, I'm almost Mythic now. Would love to send you a deck list somehow...

@kennydon

8 ай бұрын

You can copy it from the deck builder and paste into the comments. Mtga gives the option to put your list onto the clipboard.

your go.

This deck is extra fun(albeit less consistent) if you add Calix and doubling season. It gets exponentially out of hand

@johndoe9343

5 ай бұрын

tbh, it could work well in a Seles Enchant deck. It would give Mice the extra versatility of copying other token enchantments like Ossification or Audacity. Those would be created with (usually) Calix and maybe Yenna.

assuming you always choose to copy three blind mice the number of copies you make each turn will follow the fibonacci sequence

I ended up having an amazingly close mirror match against this deck! Took till the game crashed out but my opponent was always just one turn behind!

One line of approach not mentioned in the deck tech that is..... Unlikely but could win you 1 in every 500 games..... If you have a token wandering emperor and you have the copy train rolling..... Even though it will legend rule itself you could still activate each one (due to emperors passive) before the next resolves. Potentially letting you sweep a bunch of tapped creatures.... Or give your whole board first strike. Very specific and unlikely but don't ignore the possibility.

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

There's a comment specifically talking about this interaction and they came to the conclusion that it wouldn't actually work.

@connergish9060

8 ай бұрын

@@LegenVD why not? Emperors passive didn't care about being cast. It just has to enter this turn. Each of the copies are separate triggers so you should be able to hold priority (after legend ruling the previous/oldest token) activate an ability on the stack, let ability resolve, let next copy trigger resolve, keep new one, rinse repeat for as many triggers that you chose to target emperor. It doesn't really work with other Planeswalkers because they cannot activate abilities when you can cast an instant.

@TreeSixVideoCorp

8 ай бұрын

@@connergish9060 Just play it through: lets say you go to your first main phase and the three blind mice trigger go on to the stack, you target your token copy of wandering emperor with every trigger. The first ability resolves, you create a copy of the wandering emperor and keep the new one to activate its ability. Since the old wandering emperor token copy is now no longer on the battlefield, all remaining three blind mice trigger fizzle, which is why this unfortunately does not work.

@connergish9060

8 ай бұрын

@@TreeSixVideoCorp ah.... Right target no longer there for further copies.... So it would work if it was somehow not legendary (but at that point you just keep the copies) but that is waaaaaay too many hoops for an already niche situation

I can already hear the sound of someone being fired at R&D over the wording on this saga

@jojodelacroix

8 ай бұрын

Fire people for bad card design? Nah. They get promoted.

@chadgrimwell8380

8 ай бұрын

Should be, copy target token not named 3 blind mice.

@KPX01

8 ай бұрын

i feel that this is fully intended, even if its get going it is really slow so opponent would have time to deal with it .

@michagornicki7269

8 ай бұрын

@@NecromancyForKids oh definitely, 100% agree. But I wasn't referring to the card's power level. I was talking about unintentionally broad meaning for the wording. Kinda like with the Hostage Taker

@xn85d2

7 ай бұрын

@@michagornicki7269 Tbh I think the wording is intentionally broad.

YOOOOOOOUR GOOOOOOO

Thoughts on Ice Out instead of make disappear?

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Need it to work on turn two, which wouldn't be the case with Ice Out.

I don’t know but it feels good to see a deck with few cards- not like the latest trend of 14…15 different cards, 1 copy of this, 1 copy of that. Am prolly old school 😂😂😂

Would have worked copying Emperor and going full control to exile their creatures on each Emperor copy?

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

There's a few other comments discussing that interaction.

FYI your videos no longer appear when i search for *mtg arena*. Which is odd because it does recommend Playlist based on ur vids (im not gonna watch Playlist of games) and i only watch Legenvd and CGB for standard games

There's Shatter the Oath. rare to see targetted enchantment removal from blac,

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Nobody is playing that one in Standard luckily.

@25:20 Feldon's the one you shouldn't have targeted, right? While the Kumano is the better block with the knight token you had the 3rd Wanderer in hand to exile Feldon on the next cycle. By targeting Feldon this cycle, if the opponent Play with Fires their own Feldon (instead of your face) you still fall to 1 (since you don't gain the life) but they see 2 extra cards off the Feldon. I think?

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Also makes sense!

Love this deck, unfortunately I don't have enough rare tokens to build all the decks I want like this one 😢

3 blind mice so op

Ya never really notice how much graveyard hate is in the format until you try to bring something back from the bin

You could try adding Mondrak to the deck....

one use for a copied incubator token with no counters on it would be bargain.

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

True, although it’s rarely the best target in this deck.

Lol, sometimes I just love the comments from the planeswalkers, like Liliana: "Don't touch me again."... lol.

The incompetent challenges at the end seem to tell a story, a Tamiyo count.

lol this is so cool

This is what bombadil needs.

Anyway to fit in virtue of loyalty?

just realized you could use three blind mice to copy the token you get from dark depths... i must find a way to make this work

😊

Its funny because the set is based on rats somewhat but the real king here is the mice haha

As much as I loathe playing against control, there is something deeply satisfying about controlling the red deck until they give up.

Double down with Zur and Vesuvan Diplomacy and you can start making more copies!!!

I was trying to figure out how fast these mice grow, and the result should look something like this: call u, v, w the three (complex) solutions to the polynomial x^3 - x - 1. NB: they are not nice numbers, you can ask Wolfram alpha for an exact expression. Let M be the Vandermonde matrix associated to u, v, w, we define a, b, c to satisfy (a b c)M=(1 1 2), or (a b c)=(1 1 2)M^-1. NB: M^-1 is even uglier than u, v, w already are. Then, if the recursion starts at a certain turn, assuming no interaction from the opponent, after n turns we will have number of copies of Three Blind Mice = a(u^(n+1)-u^(n-1))/(u-1)+b(v^(n+1)-v^(n-1))/(v-1)+c(w^(n+1)-w^(n-1))/(w-1), number of mice tokens = a(u^(n+1)-1)/(u-1)+b(v^(n+1)-1)/(v-1)+c(w^(n+1)-1)/(w-1). Of course, mtg players would prefer to know the order of growth, rather than the exact numbers. Well, it's an exponential growth, so very fast, but still slower than 2^n (what you would get by attacking with Myrel, for example), and even slower than the Fibonacci numbers. I was honestly expecting it to be faster than the Fibonacci numbers.

Imagine this with copying obnix.....ops😮

Imagine playing this in paper...

Fair warning: do not spend wildcards to craft this deck. It is, as with many of LvDs videos, really fun when it works, but it will get you absolutely stomped on in ranked. If you have the cards, give it a try, otherwise steer clear.

Ok but youre playing Bant... why not also include Callix?

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Our deck isn’t very well equipped to hit the opponent with it and it doesn’t fit our control plan.

Have you considered having 1-2 Doubling Seasons? I really want to just make this combo go nuts

@memeticproperties4517

8 ай бұрын

Not legal in Standard

@Jmstpl1

8 ай бұрын

@@memeticproperties4517 i thought it was legal since they put it in the slot or is that historic? standardish formats confuse the shit out of me

@bounceday

8 ай бұрын

@@Jmstpl1only in draft

@RADIALPUDDLE

8 ай бұрын

@@bounceday its legal in historic as well

@Goldy01

8 ай бұрын

@@Jmstpl1 the extra sheet with the enchantment reprints is not standard legal.

Brokers ascendancy would've been good in this deck

Hello Your go

Another deck known as "can´t win without my board wipe"

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

That's why control decks play card draw effects to find them!

Klitschko had 69 fights, against Fury's 36, show some respect ffs.

this is the only deck I am facing now and I hate it.

I tried to watch Sloth play this deck, but it seemed like he was hell bent on doing anything besides actually copying Three Blind Mice.

Oh God how I hate that every video on youtube now has to be formulated to having a sentence with a period at the end as their titles

@jogywhite5389

8 ай бұрын

You're rly this bent about punctuation marks?

@SpaceGhostNZ

8 ай бұрын

It's just annoying that everyone is forced to comply instead of just calling it whatever they want

@tonajki

8 ай бұрын

@@SpaceGhostNZ this

@jogywhite5389

8 ай бұрын

​@@SpaceGhostNZwhat do y'all mean? Everyone's forced to use periods now? I'm genuinely curious, this is the only creator in my feed with titles like this

@tonajki

8 ай бұрын

@@jogywhite5389 there’s a trend, in fitness, crypto mining, true crime, seen it everywhere. Pretty sure there’s an “algo-beating” playbook that purportedly needs to be followed for better viewer reach. It’s in the same box as creators making stupid, poorly acted faces on thumbnails. I’m feeling like youtube is doing its best to move towards simpler content, and the prevalence of these faux-mysterious, sometimes outright clickbaity titles are definitely a step in that direction. On the other hand I’m even more annoyed by the 3-year standard and all the guest IPs in MTG. As I have (and always had) zero interest in LOTR or the Transformers I checked out of the game almost completely. I only watch LVD because he’s making the blandest content look entertaining.

Sad to see someone lose their integrity for clickbait

@LegenVD

8 ай бұрын

Please elaborate.

@starmanda88

8 ай бұрын

Lmao calling this man’s literal integrity into question because he’s using a period at the end of the title?! Some of y’all are audacious.

@xmicroblast1

8 ай бұрын

Huh? Unique snowflake is unique.

@SaintSoba

8 ай бұрын

​@@LegenVDyou are good man, keep it up, some people just don't want you to succeed, best to ignore them

I see monored and monoblue are still fucking blights on standard in arena. I don't usually support massive control but I was glad you stabilized against that monored dropping down to 1 life on your side. Even without your deck's main purpose you still got the win. Just proves, never give up. I just returned from a few years away from magic/arena and last time I was interested in arena, both monored and monoblue were stinking up everything with their nonsense. Folks desperately trying to just eek out their wins for the day AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE DONT SLOW DOWN GO GO GO ONTO NEXT GAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH instead of making an attempt to even remotely enjoy the game of magic, like rats working for their treats in a skinner box. I hated it then and I hate it now. Also, edit, is there NO way to tutor for either the mice enchantment or the planeswalker you need? Can you only dig and hope for the best for this set?

@Goldy01

8 ай бұрын

There's only black tutors for those cards atm sadly. Agree with blue, but I think red aggro is fine, mostly.