My Last Chance to OVERPOWER my Vacuum! (Homemade Turbine V2)

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In this video I will try to OVERPOWER my Vacuum Cleaner one last time with the help of one of my viewers. He designed better impeller models and in combination with a new BLDC motor and driver, we want to find out whether we can beat the original design. So come along as I test static pressure, air flow and run into lots of problems during this last attempt. Let's get started!
Thanks to Rohde & Schwarz for sponsoring this video.
0:00 DIY Vacuum Impeller got Destroyed!
1:12 Intro
1:57 Measuring Static Pressure of DC Motor
3:22 Old DIY Impeller Design Static Pressure
5:35 NEW DIY Impeller Designs
8:04 Practical Vacuuming Test + PROBLEMS
10:03 Verdict

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  • @henninghoefer
    @henninghoefer10 ай бұрын

    It's almost like the Bosch engineers knew a thing or two about designing a vacuum cleaner 😆

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Haha true.......next time I beat them ;-)

  • @malanvogt

    @malanvogt

    10 ай бұрын

    It's like the one time where bosch engineers designed something that sucked and it was a good thing

  • @drleewhite

    @drleewhite

    10 ай бұрын

    It’s like the saying that anyone can build a bridge with enough steel and concrete, but an engineer will build one that is efficient in use of materials, adhering to time, safety, and budget constraints.

  • @realdragon

    @realdragon

    10 ай бұрын

    And have a little more resources available than just 3D printer

  • @jameshancock

    @jameshancock

    10 ай бұрын

    Actually the only major difference is that Bosch uses Glass Fiber PA6 nylon. So the strength is WAY up. But you can easily 3d print it.

  • @Dcl2037
    @Dcl203710 ай бұрын

    From an ex vacuum engineer - it isn't as simple as either 'max flow against no back pressure' or 'max pressure pull with no flow'. What matters is the inbetween, and whether your impeller performs well in series with the back pressure of the vacuum's filters. Vacuum cleaner companies use a metric 'airwatts' to characterise it - pressure times flow rate (in SI units) actually cancels out to watts, and you can compare your electrical power in to your air moving power out!

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback :-)

  • @DrGooseDuckman

    @DrGooseDuckman

    10 ай бұрын

    Amazing info! Your old job sounds cool as heck too btw.

  • @Komeuppance

    @Komeuppance

    10 ай бұрын

    @@DrGooseDuckman it sounds like it sucked... a lot.

  • @greatwavefan397

    @greatwavefan397

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@Komeuppance Get out.

  • @ladmad9196

    @ladmad9196

    10 ай бұрын

    also called P/Q-Curves

  • @tiborklein5349
    @tiborklein534910 ай бұрын

    You should take a look at the way cutting discs are attached to angle grinders. They are held on by a nut that's threaded opposite to the spinning direction. The centrifugal force keeps them tight, they will never come undone on their own.

  • @s.sradon9782

    @s.sradon9782

    10 ай бұрын

    that would be hard to implement here, then again he can fix a coupler to the shaft and drive a bolt into the coupler from the top of the impeller but that solution would be bulky.

  • @xxportalxx.

    @xxportalxx.

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@s.sradon9782 he could try to thread it, or get one that's threaded

  • @first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456

    @first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456

    10 ай бұрын

    At the risk of being pedantic wouldn't that be the equal but opposite tangential acceleration?

  • @tiborklein5349

    @tiborklein5349

    10 ай бұрын

    @@first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456 You're asking that with the bold assumption that I know what that means...

  • @xxportalxx.

    @xxportalxx.

    10 ай бұрын

    @first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456 at the risk of sounding pedantic (and maybe antagonistic) it's actually the interplay of normal/frictional/inertial and drag forces. Centrifugal plays no real role in holding the nut on, and acceleration only plays a part at the start of the motion and in the form of vibrations.

  • @drunkduck274
    @drunkduck27410 ай бұрын

    I hope you do part 3 and keep leveling this up. Even if you buy a dyson, its fun to learn this stuff!

  • @ryanstanz6364

    @ryanstanz6364

    3 ай бұрын

    Please do a part 3 and beat the original

  • @DirtyPlumbus
    @DirtyPlumbus10 ай бұрын

    I never would have thought I'd watch a 3 part series about a vacuum cleaner. Lol

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    3 parts? Only at 2 parts so far. But who knows what comes next ;-)

  • @DirtyPlumbus

    @DirtyPlumbus

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab I'll be waiting. 😉

  • @dragoongalaxy20

    @dragoongalaxy20

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab this person is ready for a 3rd part, just like me :)

  • @bjn714
    @bjn71410 ай бұрын

    I just want to say that also printing an impeller removal tool was a very nice touch & not something I expected to see. Great job!

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    All thanks to Marko ;-)

  • @bjn714

    @bjn714

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab Nice! He was definitely thinking ahead there.

  • @nhand42
    @nhand4210 ай бұрын

    Put a groove on the end of the motor shaft - spin it up full speed and use a triangular file - and then a circlet will keep the impeller in place.

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Oh boy. Love that idea. Will try it in the future

  • @quelixfenzer5108

    @quelixfenzer5108

    10 ай бұрын

    To transfer the torque better and make it easily removable you could also use equaly spaced grub screws. or if you want something non removable you could grind a divit in the motor shaft and also some in the 3d printed hole and then glue it. That way the glue will not just keep the rotor from slipping but instead mechanicly lock it on the shaft

  • @RossReedstrom

    @RossReedstrom

    10 ай бұрын

    @@quelixfenzer5108 once you've gone to the trouble of grinding a axial slot in each, just go ahead and install a key: that's the traditional solution to transferring torque from a shaft

  • @lazar2175

    @lazar2175

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@RossReedstromYou cannot key a shaft this small, that looks to be smaller than ∅5mm. Well, you can - it just wouldn't make very much sense, shafts this size are usually secured using "dog point" set screws, with according holes in the shaft, or with cone point set screws if the shaft must not be weakened further. Removing material for a keyhole from an already undersized shaft isn't a great idea. I'd bet a regular pair of set screws with flats would serve him right and it would all be achievable at home using a file and a tap.

  • @scientificidiot4165

    @scientificidiot4165

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@lazar2175 if he really wanted to he could use an edm machine to make the initial hole and some specialized tap for hardened material. I don't know much on the tap side, but an edm can cut through any hardness of metal.

  • @quintinbouwer4501
    @quintinbouwer450110 ай бұрын

    Create a black hole

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Maybe next time ;-)

  • @20vK

    @20vK

    10 ай бұрын

    Buying the famous vacuum brand will create a black hole in his wallet all by itself

  • @matthewellisor5835
    @matthewellisor583510 ай бұрын

    For part three, maybe include a "turbo button" with a 30s timeout that runs the motor at ~95% of the maximum that the motor and controller can handle and run it at whatever level the lady deems acceptable all other times.

  • @fusseldieb

    @fusseldieb

    10 ай бұрын

    Dyson already does that

  • @ozgundenizkucuk

    @ozgundenizkucuk

    10 ай бұрын

    @@fusseldieb Oh my god. Noo waaay.

  • @matthewellisor5835

    @matthewellisor5835

    10 ай бұрын

    Roger that, I own one. I was curious about how our friend here would implement a similar function.

  • @chikogota

    @chikogota

    10 ай бұрын

    the actually vacuum cleaner is a turbo, but instead of using exhaust gases it has an electrical motor, whatever it sucks instead of going to the engine goes to the bag

  • @nikkiofthevalley

    @nikkiofthevalley

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​​@@chikogotaThey said a _turbo button,_ not a _literal turbo._

  • @nikoladd
    @nikoladd10 ай бұрын

    The closed impeller design they used can make a massive difference for static pressure. On impeller to motor connection just get some metal(alluminium) hub for plane/car model motors and make the impeller connect to the hub instead of the motor shaft. This will introduce much higher surface and possibly hard connection to it.

  • @toolbaggers

    @toolbaggers

    10 ай бұрын

    3d printing is not suitable (not yet) for something that needs to be as precise and strong as an impeller.

  • @arigatouse
    @arigatouse10 ай бұрын

    Would be a costly surprise if it actually sucked up all the water and spilled to your lab bench.😅

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Happened off screen with the commercial solution. Luckily it was not too much.

  • @ayushp.5395

    @ayushp.5395

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab that must pack quiet a punch!

  • @RegisMichelLeclerc

    @RegisMichelLeclerc

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab Actually, RC Test Flight reports it happened to him too 😀

  • @sindrehansen9647
    @sindrehansen964710 ай бұрын

    Add a boost button to overclock the motor for short periods of time, if you get in trouble spots

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Good idea

  • @Cheese_1337

    @Cheese_1337

    10 ай бұрын

    overclocking vacuum cleaner, sounds cool

  • @stepheneyles2198

    @stepheneyles2198

    9 ай бұрын

    I can hear his girlfriend complaining that her knickers got sucked into the vacuum when she pressed the boost button!! 😆

  • @tylercollins4125
    @tylercollins412510 ай бұрын

    you should try getting the impellers SLS or SLA printed. It should help with airflow by having a smoother surface, and the SLS one can be CF Nylon, which should be plenty strong and light for this application

  • @methanoid
    @methanoid10 ай бұрын

    Was in Germany last week and met some Rohde and Schwartz engineers. Lovely guys

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Awesome! :-)

  • @largepimping
    @largepimping10 ай бұрын

    I'd like to publicly acknowledge how much Scott cares for his girlfriend. Clearly, her ability to quickly and efficiently vacuum his apartment - and, therefore, *her* quality of life - is hugely important to him.

  • @gamesnic

    @gamesnic

    10 ай бұрын

    He for sure is a huge feminist and not old school

  • @solinus7131

    @solinus7131

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@gamesnic????

  • @nikkiofthevalley

    @nikkiofthevalley

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@gamesnic???? What?? Caring about women is not feminism....

  • @gamesnic

    @gamesnic

    10 ай бұрын

    @@nikkiofthevalley it's exaggerated to be a joke.

  • @toolbaggers

    @toolbaggers

    10 ай бұрын

    If he really cared for his GF he would do the vacuuming himself.

  • @vacuumtests9225
    @vacuumtests92258 ай бұрын

    Wow very interesting video! I have done a lot of airflow and suction measurements and most important for good cleaning power is the airflow from the floor nozzle. I have dedicated airflow/suction box for that. I can seal floor nozzle to the box and get very accurate readings.

  • @ChrisWilliams-pu8pj
    @ChrisWilliams-pu8pj10 ай бұрын

    Love your persistence. Enjoyable!

  • @qg786
    @qg78610 ай бұрын

    Try to saturate the printed parts in super glue or clear nail polish it helps solidify the prints and can achieve a smoother finish. 👌

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the tip!

  • @DigBipper188

    @DigBipper188

    10 ай бұрын

    Or - vapor polish some ABS :)

  • @boloren
    @boloren10 ай бұрын

    Be sure to check out the Tineco Pure One. We have several clients with handheld Dysons that we occasionally use if we're just adjusting something or didn't make a big enough mess to grab our Festool shop vac from the truck. One of these clients replaced theirs with the Tineco when their Dyson died and couldn't be repaired. The Tineco is way quieter and feels less like it's been overly value-engineered (just feels more solid in general).

  • @Ebits21

    @Ebits21

    3 ай бұрын

    I have one and like it a lot. Can vacuum with the kids in bed.

  • @TommyCullen-VacuumConnisour

    @TommyCullen-VacuumConnisour

    2 ай бұрын

    Filters clog up though, every none dyson bagless system is kinda crap.

  • @ImTheReal
    @ImTheReal10 ай бұрын

    Strongly fixing the rotor to the shaft will solve a lot of future problems.

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep. That was the biggest problem. I hope to reliably solve that in the future.

  • @triaxelongd3337

    @triaxelongd3337

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@greatscottlabi would prrsonally use a small worm screw that goes trough the impeller and grabs the shaft.

  • @BH4x0r

    @BH4x0r

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​​@@triaxelongd3337yes grub screws would be great for that, especially if he makes a lil groove in the shaft for it to bite in, or even better use an actual pinion RC gear for one of those motors and something in the impeller that can hold onto that

  • @youkofoxy

    @youkofoxy

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab I would make the shaft something like a screw, or add a groove and use a retaining clip.

  • @linuxranch

    @linuxranch

    10 ай бұрын

    I wonder if a duplex impeller, with a single inlet and two outlets would balance the thrust forces against each other? There would have to be a new inlet scroll... The "two" impellers would be "attached" at the inlet end.

  • @DanDan-fu6sd
    @DanDan-fu6sd3 ай бұрын

    I respect your effort and persistence.

  • @cordellsmith1523
    @cordellsmith152310 ай бұрын

    You might be able to alleviate the impeller pulling itself off by implementing some set screws. This of course though means redesigning the impeller and also adding some rotational weight.

  • @WarkWarbly
    @WarkWarbly10 ай бұрын

    Just a heads up PCBWay does polymer SLS printing. Maybe they'd sponsor a V2/MK2 of the 3D printed impeller.

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    JLCPCB does that too ;-)

  • @WarkWarbly

    @WarkWarbly

    10 ай бұрын

    @@greatscottlab Ya know, I might be wrong and it's actually JLpcb. I'm not sure now, I'm gonna ask the almighty google 🤣😂🤣 Edit: it's both : )

  • @SmileyFace01

    @SmileyFace01

    10 ай бұрын

    ^

  • @youkofoxy
    @youkofoxy10 ай бұрын

    GLAND SEALING SYSTEM. is a technique used in steam turbines to make the bushing "air tight" without having contact with the shaft. Try adding it to your design.

  • @alanmcguinn
    @alanmcguinn10 ай бұрын

    Great work. Vapor polishing would improve the smoothness of your prints and should provide some level of performance gain as the airflow over the blades should be smoother. You're probably losing a lot of efficiency to airflow past the clearances between the impeller and the housing. Perhaps SLA printing would be a better option, as it's higher resolution and it also produces smoother surfaces.

  • @thatbillguy5211
    @thatbillguy52119 ай бұрын

    I would highly recommend screwing the impeler in place, either on the top or side of the shaft. I believe it is necessary for any fan system to function correctly.

  • @RuthlessMojo
    @RuthlessMojo10 ай бұрын

    A grub screw will help with keeping the impeller on. It will have to be factored into the design. As far as the impeller is concerned you could try carbon fibre filament, it may be stronger. The other option is creating a silicone mold of it and using a casting resin or making a clay mold,and using aluminium to cast the part.

  • @ivopenev7105

    @ivopenev7105

    10 ай бұрын

    Or simply buy the cold side wheel from a car turbo which is pretty much the same shape.

  • @martyb3783
    @martyb378310 ай бұрын

    Great video! You win some, you lose some. You always learn! Well done.

  • @mrmadi035
    @mrmadi03510 ай бұрын

    Use resin printing instead for strong and better quality prints. Also use some kind of locking system for impellers.

  • @george-broughton
    @george-broughton8 ай бұрын

    Some BLDC motors just have a nut on the end that you can use to ensure the prop doesn't walk off the shaft. Some are even reverse threaded such that when the motor spins, the screw tightens down on the part. You could also go for a keyed shaft to reduce rotational slippage.

  • @kylekirby6424
    @kylekirby642410 ай бұрын

    Do NOT purchase a Dyson. They are pretty and have great suction, but that's about where their benefits end. They get clogged up super easily and the plastic is super brittle. Mine was under warranty and they said I can't get it fixed because they don't have the parts for it. WTF??

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    That....sucks. Thanks for the feedback :-)

  • @kylekirby6424

    @kylekirby6424

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah, you try vacuuming up a bunch of cocoa cereal with a Dyson cordless and it'll choke. The hole that goes into the debris chamber is so tiny.

  • @plixplux

    @plixplux

    10 ай бұрын

    @@kylekirby6424 That's what she said?

  • @kylekirby6424

    @kylekirby6424

    10 ай бұрын

    @@plixplux 😂

  • @prestonlandolt
    @prestonlandolt5 ай бұрын

    This is the first video I’m watching of yours but I just wanted to say your intro was beautiful

  • @fireworkfreak9649
    @fireworkfreak964910 ай бұрын

    Wow Scott, watched your videos many years ago.. never ever did I thought to see the man behind the voice after all these years

  • @cookieman876
    @cookieman8766 ай бұрын

    Impeller balance will play some role in negating performance at higher rpm’s. That being said I believe you’re on the right track, I figured you’d buy a metal turbo impeller and try that but I respect the commitment to designing your own!

  • @maazshahid8920
    @maazshahid892010 ай бұрын

    You should consider making a closed impeller design. They are great for static pressure.

  • @JohnBarronII
    @JohnBarronII10 ай бұрын

    I think you can take it a bit further. I'm very familiar with RC motors and we never use a press fit gear as they'd come right off the shaft like you're seeing. A simple fix would be to integrate a 48p RC pinion right into the impeller. You'd need to add some gcode to pause the print so you can insert the gear directly into the part and then keep printing to seal it in. This will give you teeth on the gear to engage the impeller directly and a small hole in the side of the impeller will give you access to the pinion's set screw. The set screw in the pinion will lock the whole assembly onto the motor.

  • @DreitTheDarkDragon
    @DreitTheDarkDragon10 ай бұрын

    Can't wait to hear your review of SPECIFIC BRAND vacuum cleaner, I plan to get one myself too.

  • @VorpalForceField
    @VorpalForceField10 ай бұрын

    I believe the cap on top of the fins, on the original, was to increase static pressure at lower rpm's .. also static pressure increases with multiple stages. People often emulate automotive turbos without taking into account the facts. They have very tight tolerances, and operate at extreme rpm's, some at over 100,000 rpm. At those speeds and pressures, the chamber itself becomes the cap on top of the fins. The cap on the fins will leverage the lower rpm window for your materials of choice, and those often used for mass produced products.

  • @therealswarvey
    @therealswarvey10 ай бұрын

    I'd file a small flat section on the motor shaft and use a grub screw to secure the impeller in place.

  • @cerberes
    @cerberes10 ай бұрын

    Nice effort, part 3 will entail installing a wall mount with 2 screws for your shiny new Dyson.

  • @demil3618
    @demil3618Ай бұрын

    These are the experiments I definately like!

  • @nhchiu
    @nhchiu10 ай бұрын

    Hello Scott! Do you consider printing the impeller with other materials, for example ABS? Because in general the density of ABS filament is about 10% lower than PLA and PETG. Maybe saving a bit weight on the impeller can help the efficiency. Thanks!

  • @harrylenon9594

    @harrylenon9594

    10 ай бұрын

    Weight makes no difference once it's already spinning. Also more ductile plastics will deform at high rpm and rub on the outer housing

  • @johndough8115

    @johndough8115

    10 ай бұрын

    @@harrylenon9594Weight certainly DOES play a factor. Weight = LOAD. The more load, the harder the motor has to work. When the motor is capped at a set power limit.. it will reduce the overall RPMs with a heavier load. The load might also be amplified, as you move the vacuum around.. as the extra mass with create more vectoral forces.

  • @harrylenon9594

    @harrylenon9594

    10 ай бұрын

    @@johndough8115 no, if the load has the same friction with its surroundings, it will reach the same top speed. Acceleration will be higher with lower inertial load, but top speed will not change. At constant speed, weight plays no role in power draw.

  • @johndough8115

    @johndough8115

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@harrylenon9594 There is a channel that makes Custom fan blade designs. Certain designs are heavier, use more blades...etc. They all spin at different RPMs, despite the exact same motor being used.

  • @harrylenon9594

    @harrylenon9594

    10 ай бұрын

    @@johndough8115 yes, different DESIGNS.... the design will determine the drag on the propeller while spinning, not the weight. If you did a test with two identical blades, only difference that one is heavier, you'd find the lighter blades spin up to max speed faster, but have the exact same top speed

  • @alexkram
    @alexkram6 ай бұрын

    I'm not a vacuum designing engineer like the commenter below but I used to engineer centrifugal liquid pumps so I know a little bit about this subject. The static pressure will go up with impeller diameter and/or RPM squared. Google "fan laws", it will be valuable information. The blade angle of attack won't affect static pressure much because there isn't any flow through the blades during this test (weird I know). One cool thing about these kinds of devices is one might think the shaft torque would go up if you restrict the flow, but actually it goes way down. Notice that you hear a vacuum cleaner motor speed up when you cover the hose. The load on the impeller comes from the flow rate of fluid that is being accelerated so more flow = more torque and power required. What happens to the motor power in your experiment when you go from open hose to the static pressure test? If you cover the outlet the flow goes down but the fluid density goes up. I think it will still consume less power (I designed liquid pumps with constant density so I have no actual experience with this). If you can design a "volute" on the outlet of your pump that gradually expands the cross sectional area, it might improve the performance although I don't think you have the room to do this in your housing. The purpose of the volute is it acts as a diffuser to have pressure recovery as the fluid decelerates.

  • @BrokenLifeCycle
    @BrokenLifeCycle10 ай бұрын

    Have you considered finding a motor with a threaded shaft and using embedded nuts in the impeller to connect it? When spinning in the correct direction, it will self-tighten itself to the shaft.

  • @1remski1
    @1remski110 ай бұрын

    Just an idea... use a small turbo. Match the current motor rpm to a compressor map of the turbo. Then use the comressor, then turbine and see how they both perform.

  • @alexanderbrusnikin3118
    @alexanderbrusnikin311810 ай бұрын

    You must work with the surface finish on the impeller and the housing. Surface roughness greatly affects flow attachment and its properties (Reynolds numbers, fluid dynamics, bla-bla-bla; you can easily find a lot of free articles). Long story short, surface smoothness is critical in such applications, and losses in the system scale exponentially with the speed of the blades.

  • @SkylineBNR34
    @SkylineBNR3410 ай бұрын

    You just need a longer shaft so you can thread a nut or stopper on the end. That's how turbos keep their impellers on, or even some sort of C-clip would work.

  • @user-pb4jg2dh4w
    @user-pb4jg2dh4w10 ай бұрын

    No no no , you can't imagine how i love ur channel man

  • @ivanurban2383
    @ivanurban238310 ай бұрын

    Its always a good day when you upload 😊😊😊😊

  • @greatscottlab

    @greatscottlab

    10 ай бұрын

    Happy to hear that!

  • @samuelkemp4557
    @samuelkemp455710 ай бұрын

    I'd be so curious to see the work/math behind impeller and housing design. It is such a mystery to me, and the resources online aren't too great.

  • @HO-cj3ut
    @HO-cj3ut7 ай бұрын

    Vapor polishing would improve the smoothness of your prints and should provide some level of performance gain as the airflow over the blades should be smoother.

  • @jakem6572
    @jakem657210 ай бұрын

    Let me know if you're interested in more details -- but I've made a similar type of impeller (and propeller too) with 3D printing -- the best way to secure it (I found) was to use small brass inserts and insert them into the round bit in the middle (in-between the blades) to screw into the motor shaft. Since an iron won't fit in the small gap, I would screw in the head-less bolt into the insert, hold it with needle-nosed pliers, then heat it up with a blow torch - then pushing the insert into the plastic between the blades. I would then cut down one of those head-less bolts (forgot their name) so they wouldn't stick out and use an allen-key to tighten them on EITHER: 3 sides | OR on the top and bottom of the motor shaft for more even securing. And BOOM can run it as fast as you want and everything -- hope this helps :)

  • @mikect05
    @mikect0510 ай бұрын

    The way you say "Awesome" is AWESOME!

  • @Adrian2140
    @Adrian214010 ай бұрын

    I hope you enjoy your brand new vacuum cleaner!

  • @Dganny24
    @Dganny2410 ай бұрын

    If you want, I design and work on these for a large turbomachery company (the big blue ones), and can offer you some pointers, both with how the impeller is attached, and why you are having such issues with static pressure

  • @kautkascitadaks
    @kautkascitadaks10 ай бұрын

    Good job, great video thanks

  • @rocketgirl3366
    @rocketgirl336610 ай бұрын

    Maybe make the impeller closed with a skirt to minimize boundary layer drag and skin friction between the impeller and the enclosure? Polish those impellers and minimize any layer visibility, every ridge creates extra drag, which creates trubulence. If you're doing Part 3 and want to try with an aerospace engineer, I'm down to take Bosch on 😁

  • @mdewcool
    @mdewcool10 ай бұрын

    U can etch a dimple on one side of the motor shaft and add a security screw to keep it in place so it doesn't fall off. Belt pulleys use it like that to keep them in place.

  • @ignispurgatorius5297
    @ignispurgatorius529710 ай бұрын

    Out of curiosity, a question to our mechanical engineers: How much does the surface finish affect the outcome in such a system? The printing looked quite rough tbh.

  • @shriramvenu

    @shriramvenu

    10 ай бұрын

    not much i think. You're trying to generate a huge negative pressure, you don't need turbulent free airflow for that.

  • @electronic7979
    @electronic797910 ай бұрын

    simply perfect project

  • @__-fm5qv
    @__-fm5qv10 ай бұрын

    I guess one way to have the turbine stay on the shaft is if the sucking end of it was pointed towards the motor, that way it would only pull itself more securely on. That being said making something like that work from an airflow perspective and work within the packaging confines of the original vacuum would be extremely difficult.

  • @casapac
    @casapac10 ай бұрын

    I had the same vacuum and boy was the change to a new one was worth it.

  • @codybaker1255
    @codybaker12552 ай бұрын

    there should be a distinct eye in the impeller, and quite long blades for this. if you end up with a smaller eye, and more surface area on the blades then you should be able to have a lower static pressure, meaning more suction, therefore having a potentially better vacuum.

  • @Kitzkrieg
    @Kitzkrieg8 ай бұрын

    30 year home repair contractor here, and I use the exact extractors in the video without any problem. You need to apply a lot of force on the drill, and go really slow- allowing the bit to bite.

  • @ricardoumbelino2445
    @ricardoumbelino24452 ай бұрын

    Can't wait for part 3!

  • @miigon9117
    @miigon911710 ай бұрын

    These two videos just reminds me again how hard and complicated fluid dynamic is, and paying the price for geniuses to do it right is well worth it for my dumb mind.

  • @ilijazafirov4192
    @ilijazafirov41923 ай бұрын

    You could also always modify the top of the rotor shaft for mounting

  • @tdsangel
    @tdsangel10 ай бұрын

    du hast noch ein problem mit dem Luftauslass - die luft, die der impeller ansaugt, muss auch wieder raus. und da sind die kleinen fensterchen quer zur strömungsrichtung der luft. geschickter wäre die fensterstege längs, tropenförmig zur strömungsrichtung zu machen und denen so viel querschnitt wie möglich zu geben. dabei ist zu beachten, dass nicht nur die fläche entscheidend ist, sondern auch der querschnitt je fenster. wenig große fenster sind besser als viele kleine, auch wenn der gesamtquerschnitt gleich ist. luft mag keine ecken, jeder kanaleinstrom und ausstrom sollte es der luft so leicht wie möglich machen und möglichst kein labyrinth oder ecken entgegenstellen.

  • @666neoselen
    @666neoselen6 ай бұрын

    the axis of the motor is smooth therefore it doesn't bite well into the plastic. also I see sometimes a bolt perpendicular to the axis, that prevents the axis from slipping from its position, translation AND rotation are blocked this way.

  • @maxawsometheguy2870
    @maxawsometheguy287010 ай бұрын

    Weird suggestion but what if you sand the impeller blades so that the air can slip better. Overall great vid!!

  • @Zenefor
    @Zenefor10 ай бұрын

    have you tried to get rid of the lower half of the blades(blend them in the middle) and at the lower part area to create a cone like shape to redirect airflow.

  • @rafacruz1281
    @rafacruz128110 ай бұрын

    To handle more power you need to fix the impeler with something stronger like an extended axle from the motor with a nut for exemple

  • @janosadelsberger
    @janosadelsberger10 ай бұрын

    I bet SLA prints work much better, also an air flow simulation could help to evaluate your designs.

  • @barklet6110
    @barklet611010 ай бұрын

    I would coat the impellers in something that fills in the gaps between the layers and/or sand the layers down (probably unfeasible with the gap between the blades)

  • @Panda-qv4np
    @Panda-qv4np10 ай бұрын

    I would try printing it out of resin or sanding the fdm down for better results due to the airflow not being as optimized additional you could simulate the airflow in a cad software

  • @mzs112000
    @mzs11200010 ай бұрын

    Perhaps with some post processing the FDM prints(sanding, smoothing and sealing), You might be able to get a few percent higher efficiency there. I recall rctestflights videos where he mentions a significant performance penalty with propellers and impellers that are FDM printed without post processing work being done.

  • @thecon_quererarbitraryname6286
    @thecon_quererarbitraryname628610 ай бұрын

    A pin through the rotation shaft interlocked with the impeller would solve your problems I guess.

  • @soundreamerbg
    @soundreamerbg10 ай бұрын

    Congratulations on your new Dyson vacuum.

  • @Drxxx
    @Drxxx10 ай бұрын

    Cool video, great channel ❤

  • @AlexSouthwell
    @AlexSouthwell10 ай бұрын

    Surface rough ness of the 3d printed parts will impact your pressure and airflow i believe, either smoothing out the pieces or printing in resin would help with that.

  • @vahagnmelikyan2906
    @vahagnmelikyan29069 ай бұрын

    You can print a bolt hole from the side of propeller, and bolt another filament bolt .That might hold it

  • @yerst2
    @yerst210 ай бұрын

    If you decide to buy one get a Miele at least, they are fantastic vacuums! There is not only Dyson! Maybe you can also ask them for some infos about theirs since they're also from germany. (I think there vacuums are made in asia though, still great quality)

  • @theorgangrinder1743
    @theorgangrinder174310 ай бұрын

    This is where people mess up when cooling PC's too. All fans are not built the same. Some are made for high static pressure and some are passive. Don't use a passive fan for your cpu or any situation where the fan needs to pull or push through something.

  • @JimFeig
    @JimFeig10 ай бұрын

    The original had the enclosure on the impeller because its almost impossible to get it to always fit tightly.

  • @that_weird_vtuber
    @that_weird_vtuber10 ай бұрын

    If you sand a rought patch on the motor shaft and then put the glue in the bottom of the impeller before pushing it on it will handle alot more speed before the glue fails

  • @vonscherfarms925
    @vonscherfarms92510 ай бұрын

    With a bigger impeller it needs to spin faster I order to perform similar. Also the layer lines are holding you back. Try a vapor smoothed ABS print

  • @s.sradon9782
    @s.sradon978210 ай бұрын

    maybe by using ABS and vapour smoothing you could eek out a bit more performance by making the impeller/cage surfaces more aerodynamically efficient?

  • @EsaKarjalainen
    @EsaKarjalainen10 ай бұрын

    Have you tried printing a 1:1 copy of the original design? I wonder if matters such as surface finish on the blades affect the airflow?

  • @TorgeirFredriksen
    @TorgeirFredriksen10 ай бұрын

    Which material and nozzle size did you use for printing the impeller? Smaller nozzle (like .2mm) would probably make a smoother part with less friction, Polished metal even better. Very cool test btw. As other commenters mention of course Bosch/Dyson engineers will get a better result. Imo. it all matters how close one may get by experiments at home..

  • @kristiangronberg3150
    @kristiangronberg315010 ай бұрын

    The stock propeller seems to have a smaler inlet 🤔 this is probably better for creating pressure or vacuum. I bet you lern much by reading about turbos, comparing turbine maps and the physical demencion and drow some concussion between turbine well size on inlet and bottom in order off pressure vs airflow map

  • @Gamezone-sd3er
    @Gamezone-sd3er10 ай бұрын

    Well if you can design a turbine that is covered from outside just like comercial one static pressure will increase 😅. And it's not important to build High pitch blade it will create to much force on edge which will push the blade against enclosure. Try to keep the blade close to the lower it will significantly increase airflow because of lower drag on edge of blades😅. I hope this will improve your vaccum cleaner in pt 3

  • @zaprodk
    @zaprodk10 ай бұрын

    Dyson is not the only obvious choice when getting a new portable vacuum. We have a Xiaomi G10. Very strong and reliable so far.

  • @T_TanksTinkers1066
    @T_TanksTinkers106610 ай бұрын

    seeing you do this makes me wonder about swapping out the old big heavy DC blower motor out of my 88 suzuki's ac system with a brushless motor from a skateboard... still drive the original blower fan but ya know.... a motor that probably makes the more torque an HP then the original brushed motor that doesn't even have PWM for speed control...

  • @alibro7512
    @alibro751210 ай бұрын

    It should be fairly easy to use a die to thread the shaft. You can then incorporate a nut in the 3D printed impeller.

  • @sdaverede
    @sdaverede10 ай бұрын

    I was about to give this a try myself, thanks for the warning I'll not be able to achieve it!

  • @mayurharge2339
    @mayurharge233910 ай бұрын

    You could have used original impeller and new motor that might be the best way to achieve efficiency. And for benchmarking you can use dc motor with new impeller as bldc tends to consume more power at higher rpm and provides very less torque.

  • @philipoosthuizen
    @philipoosthuizen10 ай бұрын

    You use an open impeller design, which causes recirculation flow around the impeller blades, lowering the efficiency. Try using a shrouded impeller and reduce the clearance around the impeller and the shroud.

  • @electronichome1153
    @electronichome115310 ай бұрын

    Great video again! Always something new and interesting even for us, the "older engineers"! One question - which tool do you use for your mechanical designs - FreeCad or another?

  • @emirhantekcanozu6959

    @emirhantekcanozu6959

    10 ай бұрын

    Probably fusion 360

  • @pauljefferies5837

    @pauljefferies5837

    10 ай бұрын

    He uses Fusion 360, eg kzread.info/dash/bejne/YoRotJtqmNazlpM.html.

  • @callsign_armistice7168
    @callsign_armistice716810 ай бұрын

    you should take a look at the design of impellers ofm torbochargers.

  • @zachb.6179
    @zachb.617910 ай бұрын

    i wonder if a resin printer would give a smoother finish to the impeller blades and if that would maybe help it pull air more efficiently

  • @norbertnagy5514

    @norbertnagy5514

    10 ай бұрын

    Probably it will decrease the amount and strenght of the vortexes so i think yes. Maybe just a minimal amount

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