Just imagine 4D golf with friends. Everyone on a slightly different plane and each others balls popping in and out!

@DerpShark

Жыл бұрын

When you hanging out with your boys and you're all popping your balls in and out together ~ ❤️

@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn

Жыл бұрын

imagine your ball and your friend's ball accidentally colliding, and both leaving the respective plane that the friends are in, and you and your friend are both confused about where it went

@05degrees

Жыл бұрын

@@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn Huh neat I didn’t think about that happening! The field is already 3D and each moment we look just at a 2D slice of it, and the plane spanned with balls’ velocities would almost always be not one of the players’ planes of view.

@FleshWizard69420

11 ай бұрын

_🤨_

@SwankemasterSupreme

10 ай бұрын

@@FleshWizard69420GOLF BALLS. Cleans yo goddamn mind.

i like how we are so far deep that quaternions are the confort zone

This man is really out here creating the next level of entertainment and I'm all aboard the 4d hypetrain for it.

@PhoenixClank

Жыл бұрын

Following the nomenclature for primitive 4D shapes, that would be called a hypertrain.

@LazyRare

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@AlexanderQ689

Жыл бұрын

I read this as hypertrain

@crusatyr1452

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderQ689 That's what I was gonna say lol

@PunmasterSTP

Жыл бұрын

For a math nerd like me, these videos are tesserac-tion packed! 😮

I love the idea of the music changing based on the way you're facing! It reminds me of being at a concert with multiple musicians playing, and as you turn your head, some of them get louder/quieter

@MsMagenta

Жыл бұрын

Hi, Cary

@Md5offical

Жыл бұрын

I think the music idea is really cool too!

@m.i.c.h.o

11 ай бұрын

Hello youtuber I watched over 7 years ago 😵‍💫

@TheOldEverglades

7 ай бұрын

Hi cary!

As a mathematician and a musician, I find this to be all sorts of wonderful!

@05degrees

Жыл бұрын

This

@spacedoutorca4550

9 ай бұрын

@@05degreesis

I highly recommend making a 'snap to hole' feature, maybe you press a button while moving through 4d space and it'll stop once it reaches the hole, so that you dont just jump/skip over it (maybe have a music note dedicated for when the hole is 'open'

@CodeParade

Жыл бұрын

Already have this feature :)

I'm usually not one to care much about music. I was dismissive about the video until you demonstrated how 'strong' the adaptive music is. I feel a lot of adaptive music is so subtle that most never notice. Each of the stems are so unique that I can hear the movement in game. I can almost imagine trying to go back to a spot and going "I remember that angle having a bit of the plinking noise, none of the wavy noise, and a lot of the guitar thing." and listening intently to get to the correct angle. I'm very excited for the music. I hope they are all this unique.

@coltynstone-lamontagne

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I don't want it subtle

@KinuTheDragon

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, that's a great idea; using the adaptive audio to recenter yourself in the normally hard-to-navigate game world.

Brilliant. I love the idea of dynamic music, it just felt jumpy as you demonstrated it. If it's possible to smooth the transitions or make the differences less drastic I think it'd be better

@CodeParade

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I made the effect a bit stronger for the video so it would be more obvious, I think it will be more subtle in the game.

@Mozartenhimer

Жыл бұрын

​@@CodeParadea low pass filter with a time constant of seconds on the input I think would do a lot help smooth that out.

@iamdigory

Жыл бұрын

@@CodeParade don't make it too subtle, I already thought it was hard to tell

@tordarus

Жыл бұрын

​@@iamdigory Yeah, I barely noticed a difference in most of the rotations tbh

@coltynstone-lamontagne

Жыл бұрын

I actually thought it was GOOD because of the strength of it!

this game is gonna be so much fun on psychedelics and with friends holy shit

@PunmasterSTP

Жыл бұрын

Did you do that with Hyperbolica or Marble Marcher before?

@TurbopropPuppy

Жыл бұрын

gods, i should try playing Hyperbolica next time i'm on acid

@Mewtwodestroyer

Жыл бұрын

Why are you all forgetting about red ribbon week? Red ribbon week every week!

@ZiggityZeke

Жыл бұрын

@@PunmasterSTP I'm saving hyperbolica for when I do mushrooms for the first time

@cyberneticsquid

Жыл бұрын

quote cave story would not do drugs

This idea with the music is an extremely good one, it really does make the space more understandable.

Probably a much higher bar for Phil, but would be interesting if the notes and melody also had layers spread out throughout the different dimensions. Kinda like a piano and a violin can play by themselves, or as part of a composition, different 4D vectors could overlay different aspects of the overall piece, adding different moods to each coordinate.

@05degrees

Жыл бұрын

Without other added constraints that indeed seems to be too vast a design space to create in easily. But the idea definitely should be explored by someone, maybe in some VR soundscape museums! 👏

This music system actually looks SO effective, it is so cool how you're pulling these things off (you guys both) THROUGH that crucial lens of like... actually good game design? To be honest, I was a bit worried when you were describing the trippy sort of vibe that you wanted the music to have, because while that sounds GREAT (I love avant-garde soundtracks - shoutout Hylics 2), I bet that goal alone could get in the way of it actually sounding good. But that demo towards the end of the video was so frickin cool. Very bouncy and whacko and jubilant in that forest, and honestly I think those changes in audio are going to serve as really useful grounding tools for the player. It was dynamic, but apparently stemming from an immutably good foundation. I'm just glad you're always keeping the player experience in-sight, despite tackling something so technically unique that it could very understandably draw your attention away.

The changing music is a super clever little way to have more of a 'feel' for your 4d orientation. Stoked to see this game progress

Math and music are so intrinsically entwined. Any musical experimentation with mathematical concepts will probably yield something cool - the mind loves patterns. I love what's going on here where the situation in game affects EQ and other properties of the tracks independently of each other.

@atomictraveller

Жыл бұрын

people always talk like this. you always know it's someone who doesn't know much about drugs and music.

@MrRyyi

Жыл бұрын

@@atomictraveller what do you mean?

@atomictraveller

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRyyi the more precise way to respond to this query would be to post the link to a smithsonian article asserting that thc improves hearing, but it was published a little before attitudes changed and isn't available any more.. there are countless anecdotes you can find about "jazz cigarettes" or weed and music. one may also consider the number of classic rock musicians who used heroin, et al. the sense of hearing and drugs are both close to the soul, i'd expect. sure math is too, but, "math problems" is old hispter speak for smoking weed (m = 13th letter). i won't even touch a c compiler without indica. smoke some weed and think about music, that's what i mean :)

I've never been so excited for a golf game

When I saw this video, I was like: "Oh, it's 4D. Maybe he'll talk about Quaternions!" Thank you so much! I'm always happy when someone talks about quaternions.

3:40 This music example is really immersive! Honestly adding the music has made this a must play for me when it comes out.

Honestly, any info about this upcoming game including little details you find is something I and probably many others would enjoy. Keep up the good work!

Smart idea using dynamic music to help orient oneself, also because I love when games use dynamic music

I can imagine spending a long time just tinkering with rotations just to see what it does to the music

I really love how much effort goes into your videos - that said - I personally wouldn't mind a drop in quality if it meant more explanations of individual tasks/issues you had - mostly because I love understanding the brain processes of someone who can comfortably work in 4D on different levels 😅

Dynamic music can be awesome if implemented well, and this looks like a really neat way of doing it - perfectly fitting with the game's gimmick. Excited to see what it looks like when complete.

4d music?!??! First vid I’ve seen after I subscribed. I just love anything with music

Yes! I love dynamic videogame music, and the idea of mapping it to 4D coordinates to also possibly help with navigation is exactly the stroke of genius I'd hope for. I'm so looking forward to this game coming out!

@Wulfstrex

3 ай бұрын

The game will be coming out on the 22nd of March

So I sort of had an understanding of Hyperbolic space, even if it was completely knew to actually explore it. I can't even begin to imagine how 4D works, even watching the clips in these Dev logs. I can't wait to get my hands on it and hopefully get a grasp on it.

@Wulfstrex

3 ай бұрын

Get a grasp on it from March 22nd then

This is absolutely breathtaking!! I can't wait for its release to buy it on the spot! You're the most creative indie developer I've ever seen :3

@Wulfstrex

3 ай бұрын

You've got to buy it on the spot of the 22nd of March then

when you released hyperbolica i told you it would be really cool to use xenharmonic scales to reference certain types of geometry. you didn't do that because the soundtrack was already done. you could do it now for the extra dimension. this would give people a great sense of where in that dimension they are and it would also be an absolutely stunning listening experience

@nickpatella1525

Жыл бұрын

Like encode the shape in the scale somehow? Some shapes can be described with a few numbers, would be neat to take the JI intervals those numbers generate and have a unique scale for each shape.

@Beatsbasteln

Жыл бұрын

@@nickpatella1525 cool thing about xenharmony is it can be anywhere. on the whole numbers there are octaves, like 12tet, the system everyone uses, but if this was implemented in the game it could just freely interpolate between 5edo and 22edo or something like that linked to the current position in the additional space dimension, even stuff like 7.845edo

Now I'm curious how sound travels in four dimensions. All I can predict is it'd get quieter a lot faster over distance as the drop-off would be 1/r^3 instead of 1/r^2 I suppose you'd have a fourth class of instruments, since we currently have instruments that are 1D-based(strings), 2D-based(drums), & 3D-based(brass & woodwind?), so what would a 4D-based instrument be like?

@Adam-zt4cn

Жыл бұрын

I think that in a 4D world, the the brass/woodwind would be this 4D instruments you are thinking of, drums would be a flat 3D surface, and then you would have two classes of strings, 1D strings and 2D strings. In 4D, a 2D surface acts much more like a string than it does as a cloth sheet. For example, you cannot make knots with 1D strings, but you can make knots with 2D surfaces. (Which is admittedly really hard to visualize. Numberphile has a video on that topic: "Braids in higher dimensions") And therefore I think, this secret 4th class of instruments would actually be 2D strings vibrating in 4D.

@FireyDeath4

Жыл бұрын

So what would the 1D instruments be like in 4D Well, what are 0D instruments like? And what would they be like in 4D? Hmm...

Dynamic music is a must have. Tunic uses dynamic music and it absolutely adds another dimension(no pun intended).

This is awesome! I love the idea of using a dynamic mix to help the player orient themselves. I bet a healthy chunk of players will be so busy to wrap their head around the game mechanics that they won't even notice how much their subconscious takes hints from the music

Nice! I love the vids man, great job 😄 I love all things music related so its really inspirational for me to see the soundtrack modulate relative to the 4d environment. And of course some crazy math stuff that I don't understand. Good luck!

this is making my curious musician brain happy :) i can definitely see myself getting stuck on a level and messing about with the 4th dimension to make my own wee arrangement of the music

wow man. much love from your hexa-primary color geek in north idaho! cant wait for this.

This is so cool. And i absolutely love well done dynamic music, and this one is really smart and simple; love it!

I'd really love seeing a plant care game in 4d with actual evolving plants. Imagine having to trim 4d plants or bugs.

@PunmasterSTP

Жыл бұрын

Imagine a 4D SimAnt or city builder game!

@AlienAnthony

Жыл бұрын

@samter city builder would be cool. Imagine learning 4D building techniques not only just like the whole logistical analysis of being able to travel on another plane to redirect traffic. But what if you made a sim game of physics based building. You'd have to learn 4d building techniques to make sure your building doesn't fall over in the 4th dimension.

@PunmasterSTP

Жыл бұрын

@@AlienAnthony Yeah that would be intense! Hopefully @codeparade would consider it in the future.

Hyperbolica music was fire, so I'm def hype for this game

i love love love the music demo at 3:40

I was just playing a bit of hyperbolica this morning, funny timing Wow, that preview of the dynamic music was incredible 👏

@PunmasterSTP

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was hyperballin’!

this is so sick!! having the music flow like that is gonna be a gameplay staple for sure

I really want this game to come out just to improve my intuition of 4D space.

@Wulfstrex

3 ай бұрын

Then improve your intuition of 4D space from the 22nd of March onwards

Despite having 4 components, quaternions are very much 3D objects, perfect for describing axis-angle (exponential) and vector-to-vector (quotient) rotations. Questions have an ND analog called "rotors," which in 4D have 8 components, which you could split into two quaternions if you really wanted to only use what's familiar. Something to keep in mind is that axes of rotation in 4D are planes, not lines, and in fact a 4D rotor contains in itself a 6-component representation of that planar axis (if there's only 1. If there are 2, a new concept in 4D, it can be trickier to extract them).

I can totally see a sidequest the player makes up to hunt for all types of soundtrack variations 😂. I’m up for this game just to play with the sound. Brilliant stuff. As usual.

Your approach to varying the music reminded me of how LucasArts did something similar in Monkey Island 2 when the player character would move from one environment to another (e.g., from the market to the spitting contest). I think it's a powerful and memorable method.

Adaptive music is amazing, but this takes it to the next level. It fits perfectly, super useful for the player! 😍

oh wow I really love what you're doing with the tracking in 4d space. it'd be really helpful if you could like... see the different instruments and the orientation mattered to how you'd hear them... that might be waaay too hard though

This reminds me of how you can make the music sound differently in the Splatoon loading screens

An interesting tidbit i learned some years back is that typically music tracks either have guitar, or they have piano. It's rare to have both since they serve similar roles in music composition and don't come together easily. Got me thinking: imagine if one (eg guitars) was at a corner (1, 1, -1, -1) and the other (keyboards) was at a corner (-1, -1, 1, 1)... or something. There must be a plane through the origin that bisects these extremes perfectly. What you hear is a function of the distance between a relevant corner and the zero plane. If you cross over that equator, suddenly you've got a countermelody, now on keys. The two could be playing different things but to an ambiguous percussion! I dunno. I just think the concept is neat. I'm not a musician, I'm just a derp. 👀

Golf devlog? More like “Gorgeous music that’s at the top!” 👍

Love the music and art style!

Looks amazing! Can't wait!

HECK YEAH MUSIC I JUST PRESSED PLAY BUT IM ALREADY EXCITED

How about panning different layers of the music left and right? This might be more intuitively geometric. So the x-coordinate of a point on S^2 might determine how left/right the guitar is, and the y-coordinate determines the drums etc. Then you will remember a direction as being e.g. "left in guitar-space, far right in drum-space, about middle in piano-space." To be compatible with mono speakers, simply let the mono-sound be that of the left stereo-speaker. Then the example above in mono becomes "loud guitar, silent drums, medium piano." In any case, great work! And good luck!

when I was working with 4D i created my own class for handling 4d rotations and defined a rotation with to verctors, essentially you rotate from vector a to b, both are normalized. I found this very effective for what I was doing. Also included a lot of other functionality. I put it on gpu as well.

I love music that transcends my plane of understanding

THIS IS SO COOOOOOOL you guys are awesome

4:39, you should make the hole visible threw dimentions, like you did for the ball at 3:50, so that the player knows where to go

@ideallyyours

Жыл бұрын

that's a bit like saying you want to be able to see what's in front of you with your eyes in the back of your head. you gotta turn in the right direction!

@Adam-zt4cn

Жыл бұрын

That is already the case, notice on 3:55 onward, there is a shadow of the hole on the right side of the screen. You don't see it at 4:39, because that clip has ALL projective shadows turned off.

@lancelot4788

Жыл бұрын

@@Adam-zt4cn you’re right! Thank you

I have been seeing creators who make shorts on topics they struggle to make into full videos. So there's that option

@Adam-zt4cn

Жыл бұрын

In principle I would agree, but the current design of the Shorts user interface/experience is absolutely abhorrent. (no rewind, interface elements overlapping the video, hard-to-access video description) Which, admittedly, is KZread's fault, not the creators.

@lucky.plushy

Жыл бұрын

@Adam Shorts are a bad UX experience for sure, but the probable benefits could outweigh it in the long-run. (The Mysterious KZread Algorithm)

@Adam-zt4cn

Жыл бұрын

@@lucky.plushy Oh well.

Fantastic idea to change the music with the 4th dimension. It really suits the whole game idea!

I'd love more devlogs!!!

I love the crystal desert already

The 4th dimension is time. Hate to break it to you but you explore it every single moment of your life.

Wooow, this idea is so cool 🤩

Can't wait for his next game: 4d marblemarcher in nil geometry.

Awesome collaboration! Bravo😎

You're super talented! 🙂

If you want to do some short quick devlogs that would be great! I'd love to hear from you more often.

I'm gonna have watch all these (again?) after I've had a go hands on I totally trust I'll understand it when it's in my hands but right now it's making my head feel like a sperical cow in a frictionless vacuum

I swear this guy is literally a little part of my brain I think of.

After Hyperbolica, anything can be imaginable.

I love the music

a multiplayer mode would be amazing. like the game golf with your friends. i wonder how this could be even implemented.

I really want to see the parade robot again. Not to be confused with the characters from Hyperbolica.

Phil the absolute legend

Glad there is news on that project

Bruh, never occurred to me how spatial audio or something would work in 4D

Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

Thats fucking genius, mate

Cant wait to watch this

This seems sick, I think it would honestly be easier for me to navigate a 4D space using sound memory

that is some good weirdcore music

awesome 👍👍

I like this idea. I think it would be really cool to add some microtonal elements to some of the tracks a la Sevish or Zheanna Erose. Done well, it’s approachable but alien

Well the music sounds amazing already so you know I’ll be there to buy the game!

@Wulfstrex

3 ай бұрын

Then be there for that on the 22nd of March

So much Genius

Yay I'm on right side of ideas This idea is marvelous

So hyped for this game!

i thought this was gonna be about a 4d extension of spherical/cubic harmonics which is used for one spatial audio format, but cool either way

Ultrakill has 2 main themes for every level, one being calm and the other being more chaotic for combat, they both are almost the same so they are interchanged dynamically based on whether or not there are enemies present. Something you could do is have a ton of instruments make up a song, but certain instruments fade in and out based on your 4d value thingy After watching the end of this video, I withdraw my suggestion

Speedrunning this is gonna be wild

cool beans

Hypermusician cool

so interesting!! what about also changing pitch according to orientation? would create a sense of instability too for some levels I guess

try adding a 3d analygraph option. adding the ability for depth perception will make it a slight bit less of a 2d projection of 4d space

it could be usefull to be able to hear how much you're away from the ball in the 4th dimension

Cool!

Idea: use different songs everytime you stop 4d shifting

This is awesome

Very nice. I think there should be hard flanger-effects while scrolling through dimensions. After scolling, the flanger disappears and only the other effects stay.

The idea of music changing with the angle is really cool!

AMAZING😶‍🌫