MTB Shock Tech | Everything You Need To Know About Mountain Bike Rear Suspension

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Mountain suspension can be quite confusing! In this video, we take a detailed look at everything that makes a mountain bike shock. We explain the basics, such as coil or air-sprung. But also nerd out things such as shim stacks, high and low-speed rebound damping, volume spacers (often branded as 'tokens') and even explain what IFP stands for, and what exactly it does! 🤓🤘
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  • @niklask.7333
    @niklask.73334 жыл бұрын

    I love those videos where Henry is talking a little nerdy about tech stuff, like the real time fork service. Please continue making these videos!

  • @GallantLee
    @GallantLee4 жыл бұрын

    I'd watch you talk for hours and hours about suspension!!!

  • @denniskulev7027

    @denniskulev7027

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dude sameee

  • @jeffstream6900

    @jeffstream6900

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'd pay good money for sleep-story style audio book about suspension narrated by Henry lol

  • @wpf312
    @wpf3124 жыл бұрын

    Is there an even more basic video on this. Maybe disassembling a shock and talking about how each part functions would help explain it all better. Animations are helpful as well.

  • @rushthezeppelin

    @rushthezeppelin

    4 жыл бұрын

    This, the video was so Greek for me but I think I could understand it better with animations.

  • @JiJi-os6eh

    @JiJi-os6eh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check out skills with Phil suspension video

  • @MrBillUp
    @MrBillUp4 жыл бұрын

    Well that made absolutely no sense whatsoever 🤣😂 I am willing to learn everything you can teach, so if you do want to do longer videos breaking down each topic, I'm all ears. It fascinates me 😊

  • @austrailalanmtb7557
    @austrailalanmtb75574 жыл бұрын

    So much research and engineering. Quite an art form.🦘

  • @austrailalanmtb7557

    @austrailalanmtb7557

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@oldstockrobert3814 yes sir it does... it is a relevant impression.. I would like to see however the two concepts aligned to create moonrockshox.... now THAT would be impressive.. imagine the reverse engineering going into that! A shock that has the ability to absorb anti gravity. The research trips alone would be a project in itself.. what with the need for first creati g an atmosphere... I'd put up a hand for test pilot..

  • @beny6920

    @beny6920

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why 🦘?

  • @austrailalanmtb7557

    @austrailalanmtb7557

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@beny6920 are you asking a question? or are you illuding to a theory? I'm just asking as I am unsure.

  • @ANTheWhizkid
    @ANTheWhizkid4 жыл бұрын

    Ty for the video! I´m just getting back into the matter, just got myself a new bike and your tech videos are always a good opportunity to reflect my own antiquated knowledge (wtf im only 37) in order to fill up the gaps. I find it essential to exactly know how my own equipment is working. Commenting on your videos is like talking in a support group: Yeah my name is .... and I admit i love geeking out on mtb tech...

  • @ronan7812

    @ronan7812

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm in exactly the same boat mate at 38 I've just recently returned to the sport after about 10 years. Oh how things have changed. So much to catch up on. gmbn and gmbn tech are brilliant.

  • @bigboybiker
    @bigboybiker4 жыл бұрын

    @Henry, one thing to note is that the addition of a negative spring helps overcome the preload in a positive air system. It is not to overcome stiction as you mentioned.

  • @mithunshenoy8565
    @mithunshenoy85654 жыл бұрын

    Did anyone notice the Jack Daniels bottle in the background?😂 With 'Jack' torn off

  • @jouda234

    @jouda234

    4 жыл бұрын

    jack in focus, presenter and shocks out of focus

  • @LordRedDragon
    @LordRedDragon4 жыл бұрын

    can u do a video on how to select and fit the rear in different frames, and compare different models on the frames. Do an actual demonstration

  • @Tom.Handy1
    @Tom.Handy14 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the vid.i was litrly debating wether I should get a cool shock or air and this vid helped a lot

  • @darvinblack7599
    @darvinblack75994 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your video, made everything super clear!

  • @PickledShark
    @PickledShark3 жыл бұрын

    Interesting point about coil shocks lacking stiffness inherently. I hadn’t considered that, thank you

  • @1eyeblind
    @1eyeblind3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video and very informative. Great job to the fellas @ GMBN 👍🏼

  • @spuddo123
    @spuddo1234 жыл бұрын

    10:08 that was a violent 'trek'

  • @harveyneath2406

    @harveyneath2406

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thats because their bikes are horrifying

  • @lukeonthestork
    @lukeonthestork2 жыл бұрын

    Great video once again Henry :-)

  • @MartijnVisser25
    @MartijnVisser254 жыл бұрын

    Very clearly explained and nice content. I watched it even though I know how shocks work, still entertaining👍

  • @diegosa1530
    @diegosa15304 жыл бұрын

    Great video with very good technical explanations, figures and real cut-off views. Could you explain in a video the different rear suspension geometries and above all the difference between suspension systems mounting the rear shock vertically and horizontally/diagonally please? Keep on doing such a good job! Regards.

  • @Kot1026
    @Kot10264 жыл бұрын

    Best shock explaining video ever!

  • @georgeapplegate2091
    @georgeapplegate20913 жыл бұрын

    Great video, given a noob like me a bit more understanding what i need to do to fine tune my cane creek coil shock. Thanks.

  • @sohaibyounus
    @sohaibyounus4 жыл бұрын

    Liked before watching, cause I know its gonna be good.

  • @CuzzyWuzzy
    @CuzzyWuzzy4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, really interesting to learn the ins and outs of shocks 😃

  • @tylertreaz5762
    @tylertreaz57623 жыл бұрын

    Me too! Good Job Henry!!

  • @williamdanter721
    @williamdanter7214 жыл бұрын

    Great video thanks Henry👍

  • @basicwrc
    @basicwrc4 жыл бұрын

    Great info, big thanks

  • @laurynasjagelo5075
    @laurynasjagelo50754 жыл бұрын

    You can use 2 rubber bands on the shock: after full compression, the first band will indicate your max travel and the second band will show your sag.

  • @geemail369

    @geemail369

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wouldn't *both* rubber bands have been pushed down to max travel then?!

  • @laurynasjagelo5075

    @laurynasjagelo5075

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@geemail369 you move one back and repeat the the sag measurement

  • @TeamCykelhold
    @TeamCykelhold4 жыл бұрын

    One of your best videos. Sadly we don't get to go beyond the basics. Please make an advanced one as well, if you have hours and hours of material still! Good job. something I think a lot of people would watch is a good video of damper service on a rear shock with an ifp.

  • @yakbiker75

    @yakbiker75

    4 жыл бұрын

    Vorsprung has a KZread channel with heaps of info.

  • @TeamCykelhold

    @TeamCykelhold

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@yakbiker75 yep, but none of them explains in a good way how to service ifps. If I'm wrong please refer me to it, I'd love to watch.

  • @yakbiker75

    @yakbiker75

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TeamCykelhold kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2aelpadisKwkbw.html for fox X2

  • @TeamCykelhold

    @TeamCykelhold

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@yakbiker75 thanks!

  • @luisof353
    @luisof3534 жыл бұрын

    Yes, a longer video about this subject please.

  • @endurorider974
    @endurorider9744 жыл бұрын

    Very nice video guys!

  • @xMrKnightleyx
    @xMrKnightleyx3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video Henry. You are missed on GMBN tech!

  • @willcotter9465
    @willcotter94654 жыл бұрын

    Telephone analogy for the shims is very good. Keep up the good work.

  • @th_js
    @th_js4 жыл бұрын

    Great video Henry

  • @badlarry172
    @badlarry1724 жыл бұрын

    thanks great upload

  • @patrickjaquemet9732
    @patrickjaquemet97324 жыл бұрын

    New to mountain biking, this was awesome, could you do this for like... everything bike related? 😅

  • @bluestraycat
    @bluestraycat4 жыл бұрын

    Really interesting stuff Henry! A complex topic. I love all the tech that goes into our bikes, it's an exciting time to be a mountain biker

  • @jeromewestwood5453
    @jeromewestwood54534 жыл бұрын

    It would be good if you went 1 step further and show how to step up out on the dirt and how to fix some bad handling problems

  • @Mp57navy
    @Mp57navy4 жыл бұрын

    One thing with the negative air chamber. They can't produce more than a vacuum to counterbalance. So roughly 14.5 PSI.

  • @dylan-5287

    @dylan-5287

    Жыл бұрын

    The negative chamber isn't under a vacuum, it's just opposing the positive chamber but they're both under positive pressure. You can customize the negative chamber in some forks and it's usually around 20-80psi. A vacuum would actually have the opposite effect and make it even more stiff, it would be like adding to the positive chamber.

  • @polzchannel9784
    @polzchannel97844 жыл бұрын

    Tjakepzzz... Sangatzzz... Very... Nice...

  • @Danil-Crypto
    @Danil-Crypto4 жыл бұрын

    very nice)

  • @ryanmarshall4741
    @ryanmarshall47413 жыл бұрын

    The "architecture" portion of this video, starting at 9:00, was the most helpful section. I suggest re-making the video by putting the architecture section first, then the rest of the vocabulary explanation I think would make more sense.

  • @josiahgolding7826
    @josiahgolding78264 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Thanks for the explainer!

  • @brothereldrian9913
    @brothereldrian99134 жыл бұрын

    Shocking!

  • @markjones4896
    @markjones48964 жыл бұрын

    This information is still confusing to me can you do a video that is more simplistic please thank you this is way over my head

  • @onlyonecannoli3952
    @onlyonecannoli39522 жыл бұрын

    Retitle this "How to Over-Complicate Things and Talk Nonsense In the Most Ineffective Way"

  • @zsanterre
    @zsanterre3 жыл бұрын

    love how you had to take off the jack daniels label ;) I see what you did there

  • @maxwellsequations
    @maxwellsequations4 жыл бұрын

    I would watch

  • @G-MAN73
    @G-MAN733 жыл бұрын

    I run an ohlins rear shock but it keeps bottom out and loosing air. My question is what are the ideal personal weights for rear shock, would a larger rider like me 110kg benefit from a coil or spacers in my rear shock cheers

  • @linuswallman3941
    @linuswallman39413 жыл бұрын

    I have a question about my specialized enduro comp 2020. I'm looking at swapping my rear shock from the select + to an ultimate but I can't find a shock that has the stanchion eyelid the right way. So can you just release the pressure and turn it?

  • @chrislaing123
    @chrislaing1233 жыл бұрын

    I'll listen to more

  • @b.morris2816
    @b.morris28164 жыл бұрын

    What does switching from Imperial to Metric have to do with bushing overlap and stiffness??

  • @spuddo123
    @spuddo1234 жыл бұрын

    13:07 VVC doesnt preload the shims, it changes the mechanical advantage of the shim when pressing on the leaf spring

  • @clarkie005

    @clarkie005

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cato Hobsbawn oxymoron, you’ve explained the same thing in two different ways

  • @spuddo123

    @spuddo123

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@clarkie005 late reply, but actually that's incorrect. Preload increases the amount of force it takes for the spring to start moving, whereas vvc effectively changes the springrate, meaning the force graph will be steeper. If you know linear equations, it's essentially the difference between the y intercept (preload) and the gradient (springrate). Vvc changes the springrate, not preload.

  • @kunalwarat8114
    @kunalwarat81144 жыл бұрын

    #askgmbntech i recently crashed my bike and there was a real bad scratch on my brake lever, what should i do to prevent further damage?

  • @krzysiu4003
    @krzysiu40034 жыл бұрын

    I would definitely watch for hours and hours.

  • @gmbntech
    @gmbntech4 жыл бұрын

    What rear shock do you use and how do you like to have your suspension set up? Let us know 👇

  • @fwmtb

    @fwmtb

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rockshox micro brain

  • @hobmarg
    @hobmarg4 жыл бұрын

    Bikes that the frame design puts crazy side load on the shock body/shaft: * Pivot Phoenix 27.5 has entered the chat * (will snap coil DH shocks)

  • @burgerzz09s51
    @burgerzz09s513 жыл бұрын

    I am having a lot of problems with my older coil shock.

  • @Basement_CNC
    @Basement_CNC4 жыл бұрын

    #askgmbn whats the differece between the SRAM Butter, the dynamic Seal Grease and the PM600 and what should i use for my Revelation RC (2019)and Monarch Deluxe ? Or is the sus Grease from "Dynamic " Just fine ?

  • @brevinharris7002
    @brevinharris70024 жыл бұрын

    Some of this stuff shocked me

  • @MKHLX
    @MKHLX3 жыл бұрын

    Will it damage the rear shock if you invert its position? TIA

  • @joshmcwalters
    @joshmcwalters2 ай бұрын

    That was more complicated than my A-level physics exam

  • @hench_wrench_repairs
    @hench_wrench_repairs4 жыл бұрын

    What if i use a slightly larger eye to eye? My shock is 190x 51 and ive found a good deal on a 215 shock will it work?

  • @Hazeder422

    @Hazeder422

    4 жыл бұрын

    It will be too long and will either not fit into your frame or it will put a lot of stress on the frame which could lead to failure

  • @rupedog
    @rupedog4 жыл бұрын

    'shockingly' good, as always H. Thorough, yet clear and understandable, and v interesting. Aren't IFP nitrogen charged, rather than air?

  • @lamefart

    @lamefart

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, AIR. Can be Nitrogen or O2 vs what he said; coil. Check out 10:56 graphics showing Nitrogen...

  • @RyanAlexanderBloom

    @RyanAlexanderBloom

    4 жыл бұрын

    Normal atmospheric air is 78% nitrogen and 20% oxygen. And the molecules of N2 are only 2.6% bigger than O2. So there’s not that much difference using N2 over air as only 1/5th of the air in air isn’t N2 and that 1/5th is only marginally different in terms of size and mass.

  • @paputmercado9020
    @paputmercado90202 жыл бұрын

    What happen if i use a 190mmx 50mm rear shock to my stumpy the size is 190x 42.5 mm the stock rearshock on my stumpjumper alloy.

  • @liamfillinger3006
    @liamfillinger30064 жыл бұрын

    #askgmbntech I was wondering what you guys think of drilling holes in your frame for bottle cage mounts. I have a 2012 transition blindside and want to put bottle cage mounts on the downtube using rivnuts. Thanks, Liam

  • @benasquith26

    @benasquith26

    4 жыл бұрын

    I can speak for them, they will say it’s a terrible idea, it can weaken your frame quite a lot. It will also void your warranty, I don’t think your bike being from 2012 will have it though. There are people who have done it but it’s advised not be done but you could try it if you want but doddy has said many times not to drill holes in your frame.

  • @michealbrennan8463
    @michealbrennan84634 жыл бұрын

    #askgmbntech. I have a 2018 nukeproof mega 290 comp and it has a rockshox super deluxe rear shock. For the last month my shock has been losing air as my ride goes on. I am forced to bring a shock pump with me and pump it up at least twice in a ride. I have replaced all the internal seals and it is still losing air. Do u know what is wrong

  • @HAFIZzainalHZ
    @HAFIZzainalHZ4 жыл бұрын

    I don't understand most of the videos because on a my first bike, ht. 😂 But watch it anyway. Maybe In a few years, if upgrade to expensive front fork or fullsus this would be useful. Good videos though.

  • @Pienimusta
    @Pienimusta4 жыл бұрын

    This info was truly *shocking*

  • @lopon12
    @lopon124 жыл бұрын

    If anything this has made me more confused 😕

  • @andreaslundindotcom
    @andreaslundindotcom4 жыл бұрын

    In regards to shocks. Why is it normally recommended to run slightly more sag on a progressive frame than a linear one? Why not the opposite as 30% sag at the shock is far more on the wheel travel. Why don’t set the bikes up with a percentage of wheel travel rather than stroke length? #askgmbn @gmbntech

  • @kashubelua
    @kashubelua7 ай бұрын

    9:52 ?? confusion in explanation there. May i try, it's not the piston that push oil in the expansion chamber, this displacement is the result from the volume of the rod that enter in the piston sleeve chamber. english not my langage so please appologize. thx

  • @Tastaturmusik
    @Tastaturmusik4 жыл бұрын

    Shock bearing mounts is the most potent snake oil i've seen in a while

  • @ulbricht1999
    @ulbricht19994 жыл бұрын

    this video is shocking! o.o

  • @ItsATrap614
    @ItsATrap6144 жыл бұрын

    Yo guys, question here: Yesterday I found out the set screw that keeps the rebound knob on my new fork (RS Pike) went missing. Probably wasn't tightened properly at the factory. Miraculously I didn't lose the rebound knob itself, so I pulled it off to make sure I don't lose it. Will I risk damaging my new fork if I ride without this knob in place? (until I get it fixed ofcourse) The hole where it plugs into is kind of exposed at the bottom.

  • @MaplePanda04

    @MaplePanda04

    4 жыл бұрын

    Find a similar screw. It doesn’t have to be a set screw, any screw with the same threading should work. It just won’t look as clean

  • @mmedia5727
    @mmedia57273 жыл бұрын

    How to fix suck / stuck down air rear shock? :(

  • @jimicope4988
    @jimicope49884 жыл бұрын

    you could edit this into a pretty interesting 18+ video lol

  • @isaacjackson15
    @isaacjackson154 жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @hench_wrench_repairs
    @hench_wrench_repairs4 жыл бұрын

    What happens if you use the right eye to eye but a longer stroke length?

  • @Pienimusta

    @Pienimusta

    4 жыл бұрын

    In good situation, you get more travel and no problems. Will affect your geometry though and might have issues with chain length and tension.

  • @TeamCykelhold

    @TeamCykelhold

    4 жыл бұрын

    You get more travel on the rear and your wheel/hardware will possebly hit and damage your frame. Contrary to what the other guy says (false) it won't actually affect geo (because same eye to eye) except when using more travel than previously possible.

  • @Pienimusta

    @Pienimusta

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TeamCykelhold It will effect geo when at full travel.

  • @hench_wrench_repairs

    @hench_wrench_repairs

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @TeamCykelhold

    @TeamCykelhold

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Pienimusta only by allowing more travel, which is the whole point, and as I write only at more travel than previously allowed. So as a whole I would say that geo is not affected as long as eye to eye remains the same. Different eye to eye however would on fact change geo.

  • @cmugy
    @cmugy4 жыл бұрын

    Hello

  • @donchristie420

    @donchristie420

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @SurvivalSquirrel
    @SurvivalSquirrel5 ай бұрын

    Still i dont know exactly what the IFP is for.

  • @declanmolloy764
    @declanmolloy7644 жыл бұрын

    Right then ,it’s a hard tail for me 😩

  • @richardhead7755
    @richardhead77554 жыл бұрын

    The 2 plants in the green pots need a drop of water and some feed

  • @3ArtDigital
    @3ArtDigital4 жыл бұрын

    What is Nude technology ? what is trunion ?

  • @lockstocky2800
    @lockstocky28003 жыл бұрын

    Interesting stuff but I was asleep a few minutes in with the mono tone

  • @austinnoll2869
    @austinnoll28693 жыл бұрын

    This guy should read audio books on KZread

  • @mrexon
    @mrexon4 жыл бұрын

    This was shocking

  • @Ropetable
    @Ropetable4 жыл бұрын

    holy fuck, ill stick with a hardtail lol

  • @90Davidea
    @90Davidea10 ай бұрын

    No issues with assembly for me kzread.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".

  • @user-to2se7hs3r
    @user-to2se7hs3r Жыл бұрын

    Handyman

  • @bitumen83
    @bitumen834 жыл бұрын

    Jesus, this is more complicated than chess.

  • @tonyparkin3379
    @tonyparkin33794 жыл бұрын

    Eventually someone will invent simple suspension that don't cost £1000.

  • @garyherndon4722
    @garyherndon47224 жыл бұрын

    Background music very distracting. But your producers must think it's really cool. I don't.

  • @grant8225
    @grant82254 жыл бұрын

    You lost me at stroke length of the shaft.. got no idea what you're talking about.

  • @INTEL965GAMES
    @INTEL965GAMES4 жыл бұрын

    1 day i will have an double suspension bike................An GT Sensor or Specialized Chamber old for $1K,800-900$.......................................One day

  • @dandemore8057
    @dandemore80574 жыл бұрын

    Didn't need the vid. It's just so simple they go squish squish duhhh.

  • @fazza2104
    @fazza21044 жыл бұрын

    Yeet

  • @kategraham5167
    @kategraham51674 жыл бұрын

    This is too much and too fast. Very confusing imo. 'Bushing overlap'?

  • @MaplePanda04

    @MaplePanda04

    4 жыл бұрын

    Most sliding systems use two bushings: one at the top, and one at the bottom. Bushing overlap is the distance between these two bushings. More distance (and overlap) equals a stronger and stiffer system.

  • @cristobalmunoz9222
    @cristobalmunoz92224 жыл бұрын

    Like the new #GMBNTech guy Henry in the learning of thes suspension of chocks floats thes diferents series in the #GMBN depending of thes taips of hubliys #Moutainbiking bike's thes tapers and pistons coils oils yuors positions in the geometry 🗣️yyaasickejnoy. Saluds of chile 🇨🇱🤘😀🤘🚵🚴.

  • @webbiergoose2032
    @webbiergoose203211 ай бұрын

    What a shocking video

  • @danielmerrin9699
    @danielmerrin96993 ай бұрын

    Tristan Tate

  • @b.morris2816
    @b.morris28164 жыл бұрын

    No thanks to a Poo Shock. Sounds smelly!!

  • @jacobra0215
    @jacobra02154 жыл бұрын

    If gmbn tech doesn't heart this comment then Gmbn tech didn't heart this

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