GIVE US PLAYERS TIER LIST

@Jdubayou

Ай бұрын

Mikyx over Keria AINTNOWAY

@lunanacomet

Ай бұрын

this year will be Mikyx over Lehends xdd

@Kingbobman69

Ай бұрын

Mikyx over Keria aintnowat

@spurscoys7385

Ай бұрын

Tbf to caedrel keria was the worst player in the lck for a month straight before worlds

@Jdubayou

Ай бұрын

@@spurscoys7385 bro could be the worst player in lck for 2 years and I would still rank him over Mikyx.

LPL MSI Venue Buff GenG International Debuff T1 International Buff G2 Master Chef NA Curse

@basis7089

Ай бұрын

G2 Master Chef got me good

@ndnd7614

Ай бұрын

BLG and Gen G should be the same tier. Then T1 and TES. Why is G2 same tier as TES?

@thenapalmgiraffe

Ай бұрын

@@ndnd7614he literally explains it in the video dude. Did you just skip to the end and make a comment?

@basis7089

Ай бұрын

@@ndnd7614 cos TES is shaky AF cos of tian Jackeylove and Gen g is shit internationally

@kilik5713

Ай бұрын

​​@@basis7089And G2 isn't shaky or what? I think it's unfair that this gets held against TES while G2 seems to get off easy after a very meh last year.

As a south american, I have watched Estral all year so I can give a bit of insight (not that it matters much). The best example I can give is game 3 of finals. They stomped 3 teamfights in a row and couldn't get anything after them because they have no idea what a wave or objective is. They are good at fighting, but they fight at random for no reason and with no logic. If the entire series vs T1 goes above 16:47, I will take it as a w

@ju5tm398

Ай бұрын

We needed Mad to qualify so Estral couldve 16.47'd them and sent Mad back home again XD

@abouttime2569

Ай бұрын

The standard being 16:47 is just hilarious

@Riceisgood777

Ай бұрын

Sounds like my silver games

@Pyrrha_Nikos

Ай бұрын

@@Riceisgood777 no, I said they are good at fighting xdd

@Riceisgood777

Ай бұрын

@@Pyrrha_Nikos You got a point I cant argue with that xdd

26:35 Little mistake, Bin wasn't in Worlds 2022. He was swapped with Breath and joined BLG after winning MSI 2022.

@Zhangjiajie425

Ай бұрын

So hes just a fraud

@xmorose

Ай бұрын

Little mistake, Breath wasnt in worlds 2022. He was swapped with Breathe and joined BLG after winning MSI 2022.

@pullimau8555

Ай бұрын

@@xmorose the way breathe played he was deffo out of breath

@Caedrel

Ай бұрын

I was referring to Bin Semis in 2023 - apologies

@bobysmith5662

Ай бұрын

@@Zhangjiajie425 Bin a Fraud ? Have you seen the MSI 2022 and 2023 ?

Liquid not S+ is insane. APA clears Knight, Chovy and Faker.

@cdcidsid9228

Ай бұрын

G2 will destroy NA minor region

@kunai92

Ай бұрын

Very based and factual assessment. YAPA runs MSI.

@waynequach1898

Ай бұрын

@@cdcidsid9228 G2 NRG incident

@cdcidsid9228

Ай бұрын

@@waynequach1898 Only tournament NA hasn’t looked trash in entire region history- so NA fans talk about it every chance

@tranduclong4642

Ай бұрын

Imagine having world champions jungler and still lost to vcs lmao

I agree about TES. When Tian isn't in god mode they have 0 teamplay, just walking around with 369 trying to carry

@user-ux3pn9rc4e

Ай бұрын

Tian in the big game after 2019 is always really shaky. Totally agreed

@stevenchen9852

Ай бұрын

Ya but you can’t put any lpl and lec on teams on the same tier list currently because of the skill gap in the regions. You can literally get a bunch of lpl and lck academy players and they will probably run the lec… like I’m not even joking too that’s the current skill gap of the region. Lec haven’t taken a series off of the lpl in like 3 years already

@FrogWalrus

Ай бұрын

@@stevenchen9852 nice 60 iq take

@stevenchen9852

Ай бұрын

@@FrogWalrus you don’t think lec is on that level. Ok go watch the World Cup for lol later on. That tournament is literally lec, lcs, and lck academy going against each other their no lck and lpl main teams. And Watch the lec and lcs get blasted. Also when has lec and lcs won after their 2019 run again. Name me one series they won lol these trash ass regions they’re in here just to get 3-0…. They took one game off of BLG because they threw and elk threw for fun since they was laughing playing against G2 if you go watch the comms of BLG they were laughing at how trash G2 was. You can go watch it on bilibili. Not joke they were literally laughing and talking about other things while going against them

@Andrew-cn7zy

Ай бұрын

tian becomes peak 2019 tian when plpaying against like ultra prime or edg

It's so funny how T1 used to be this insane early-mid aggro and control team, and they slowly just became this late game teamfight comeback team

@TheTdg97

Ай бұрын

If you think about it, they have been going back and forth of those two "styles" in 2019 and early 2020, they were the late game come back team, then in 2021 they switched to this early game snowball style, and now back to the sus early to mid game and insane late game

@offthegrid777

Ай бұрын

Well idk if kkoma's return have anything to do with it

@alisnaantonjohn7302

Ай бұрын

They became Summer 2023 JDG in a way lmao

@BenignViewer

Ай бұрын

@@offthegrid777 This^^. I think the change definitely reflects Kkoma's coaching style and champion prioritisation. It hurts Zeus a lot as a player though, as he really shines with a winning top lane match-up, or early power pick. The shift in top meta has played a part, too.

@johnpauljonesisabadass8134

Ай бұрын

​@@offthegrid777 they've been the late game comeback team ever since last year. What's Kkoma got to do with it? Did you not watch worlds last year?

I can see it already, G2's going to pull out the piss poor lane swap strat after Eastern teams had around a month-two months to prepare. BrokenBlade goes 0/7 in the first 10 minutes and they just lose because Hans somehow dies up top.

@JgHaverty

Ай бұрын

Yes. Lets judge their entire multi year roster and team growth because they used a singular strat 4 times against weaker opponents lol. G2 is always a wild card; and its kind of impossible to judge their relative strength to other teams in other regions *because* they are so non standard. Also, lane swaps happened in lck and lpl, why is everyone forgetting that 😂. They pick sion TO die and get their jungler ahead. Knee capping the enemy jungler and top laner for the trade of getting your top laner in an ok spot? Eh... its a viable strat in niche circumstances.

@jefflim3168

Ай бұрын

I swear brokenblade starts feeding on the world stage every time

@robertmusil1107

Ай бұрын

You don't watch LCK or LPL or? They literally lane swapped in the finals. First game LCK GenG vs T1 was basically won by the lane swap making Zeus TF useless. No one is preparing for EU teams.

@MrZeddddd

Ай бұрын

Funneling your team's gold to Hans sama doesn't sound nearly as threatening as say, funnelling your team gold to Viper, and Viper doesn't even qualify to MSI💀

@stevenchen9852

Ай бұрын

@@MrZedddddnot even viper. Any lpl and lck adc funnel strat looks more scary that Hans.. imagine giving guma, elk, and even jackylove the funnel strat

Don't worry about Zeus, he's preparing peak TheShy form just to remind Bin who's his daddy.

@yegor576

Ай бұрын

Bin the only top who went even with Zeus every time, joke aside doran has like 3 games where he outperform Zeus otherwise they went even or Zeus was better

@micahm2844

Ай бұрын

Bin is 2-0 in best of 5s against zeus lol

@DanDan-vq7bc

Ай бұрын

@@micahm2844umm what lol

@micahm2844

Ай бұрын

@@DanDan-vq7bc wdym what

@yegor576

Ай бұрын

@@micahm2844 despite score line msi 2022 Zeus was by far better than bin, if we count properly msi 2022 for Zeus 2023 for bin, Asian games for Zeus worlds 2023 equal

Idk if it's just me but I'm feeling a bit of deja vu lol like I'm pretty sure T1 will under perform this MSI then everyone will doubt them, after that they will get stronger at worlds

@Moonorphic123

14 күн бұрын

Ok wtf are u fortunate reading? Cuz they did underperformed and idk about worlds but dang

I absolutely love GenG, Chovy is the reason i started to get into league but we’ve seen how GenG is when it comes to their performance internationally and until they can upset that i refuse to believe they are the TOP team in an event

@ronlanders7354

Ай бұрын

Bot side sucksqa

@fangfeng6571

Ай бұрын

What kinda fan are you? KEKW it's all about BELIEVING! Have some faith or just don't

@Nocturnyxe

Ай бұрын

@@fangfeng6571 I would say the same thing for T1. I've been following faker since his debut. Came to love this iteration out of all his teams. And I can honestly say that they still have a mental block against geng. I was already happy that they didn't get 3-0 by geng. I was delighted they got them until 5 games and almost won. (would've been better if they did). I still put t1 to win against geng because I am their fan and I want them to win, But I'm not just blindly not realizing certain aspects as to why there are certain things that geng will beat t1.

@jc09113

Ай бұрын

​​@@NocturnyxeBasically it's a heart wants, brain says kind of thing. That's how I am in sports fandom in general, too.

@johnkirk1772

Ай бұрын

I don't think it has much to do with 'choking' or 'internationals'..its just that T1 may well be the best teamfighting team in the world but T1 doesn't have a good early game by any means nor is their scaling really top notch, they sometimes gap stopped this by picking double ranged bots (even through Renata/Bard) throwing the book at LPL teams, creating picks or taking over team fights and winning out - this never worked vs GenG who would just not show up to fights, scale and work the sidelanes.. but LPL teams are really good at more standard early games and really good at team fights so they always got the better of GenG through the combination of those two things - they outfought objectives, won early games and otherwise still managed to match the scaling so it shut GenG down the entire way through the questions for me are: can T1 improve their early game to fight mid-games on even footing? can BLG avoid those mid-game fights vs T1? can GenG finally find a way to edge out leads in either early or late game vs teams on their level whose win con isn't as readable as T1s?

This tier list was really informative thank you!

Kiin is best K'Sante. His TF is also permabanned. His Urgot and Ryze pocket picks are why I love him.

The thing about T1 is they are actually on the same level as BLG internationally but they get nerfed into the ground as soon as they face GenG.

@InnocentBobsleigh-ns3go

Ай бұрын

Yeah this is funny isn't it? If for some reason GENG beat T1 on quarter and then meet an LPL team on semis then they are basicly fuck lol 😅

@plebbutter3811

Ай бұрын

all comes down to whether international buff or vs t1 buff is stronger lmao

@vang-toulee8351

Ай бұрын

geng just knows how to handle t1 very well somehow, even tho t1 shit fucked them last msi lmfao

@specialforcesguy

Ай бұрын

T1 is not near BLG now.. BLG will whipe them dead 3 1 3 0.

@animeanime7849

Ай бұрын

It’s like rock paper scissors. Rock is the LPL, Paper is T1 and Scissors is GenG

I feel like after covering the patch notes and seeing the finals we have a good understanding of what will probably be played as far as comps… but I’d love an analysis or just pure speculation on your part of what surprise picks we might see, pocket picks to watch out for, stuff like that? Also do you expect to see more lane swapping at MSI? IMO watching EU they have no chance pulling that crap vs LCK. They’re sloppy with it, junglers never knowing what to do…

I kinda miss the T1 that went 35-1 both spring and summer regular seasons combined, when they played strong early games and really pushed the lead to suffocate their opponent. However, their gameplay now is more enjoyable, cuz you know T1 is never out of the game despite gold deficit.

YAPA gonna beat everybody. Word is his coaches are teaching him Chinese and Korean insults so he can mental stomp every mid laner

Thing is that GenG might be able to dodge bot laning phase more through lane-swaps if the meta and strategy around it evolves? I feel like they might be the ones who gain the most from the new meta

@castel7421

Ай бұрын

They could do it but GenG's real problem is their team fights. I think that in terms of macro they are the best, but in TFs there are teams that are simply better like BLG or T1.

@YouGrim

Ай бұрын

@@castel7421 that’s very fair, I’m also realising that in such a “throwback” meta, the people who were actually there might simply be the best at it. (Meiko, Faker, Kkoma (as an expert) )

@tehmastawow

Ай бұрын

laneswaps have been a thing in lpl too btw

@YouGrim

Ай бұрын

@@tehmastawowyeah but the question is - “which top teams have a weakness in bot lane during laning phase?”

@Requiem79149

Ай бұрын

@@YouGrim yeah well u just went back in circles lol, geng has a weakness in bot lane during lane phase.

13:44 but G2's idea of lane swap comes from nip from LPL. NIP used this trick against TES and resulted in failure.

S+ BLG, Gen G, T1 S Top Esports A G2 B TL, FNC, FLY C PSG D GAM, ESTRAL I dunno why Pedro put G2 on the same tier as Top esports while FNC is two tier below. And BLG, while the most balanced team of the realistic contenders (S and S+ teams), are not one tier above the top LCK team.

@omarjafar846

Ай бұрын

If anything it should be GEN G and BLG in the same tier and T1 TES one tier lower.

@melchiordelaunay2539

Ай бұрын

​​@@omarjafar846Ye I just think T1 was super close to win lck (and is still the worlds champ). I could also see some kind of a rock/paper/scissors situation where BLG>Gen G>T1>BLG.

@omarjafar846

Ай бұрын

@@melchiordelaunay2539 T1 and Geng have been pretty competitive internationally. T1 lost to them in worlds Swiss stage but beat them in MSI and when it comes to T1 BLG it was the opposite with BLG winning MSI and losing to T1 in MSI. Geng BLG seems like a kryptonite for geng because they lost to them 3-0 in MSI and lost to them in worlds. Both teams have upgraded since then so you never know but it should be fun bangers anyways.

@LucasLagman-qm3di

Ай бұрын

I agree with this list but move TL to A. TL was really the best LCS team and Caedrel was being delusional with his ratings. If you check the matchups between G2 and TL, the gaps are not that high except for jungle and mid, with Umti being a lot better than Yike and Caps being much better than Apa. Now, TL will easily clear FNC with how bad Oscar and Humanoid is. Humanoid can't even play Asol properly and Apa is objectively better than him with his Asol, Taliyah, and Ziggs pick. FLY might even destroy FNC if Bwipo and Jensen are in peak form.

@nirvash241

Ай бұрын

@@omarjafar846 nah mate T1 and TES are not on the same tier Id say 10 - BLG 9.5- Gen G 9.2- T1 7.0- TES yes thats how i"m gonna rate them

Why would your editor remove the part where you put Estral on S+? Weird.

Editor can run 100 ads in a 30 min video but cant add chat

Nice take Caedral. Can't wait for MSI~~~

CBLOL needs to be included!

12:34 Because Gragas is just straight broken. It's been like that for years. Good tank nature, insane damage and cc, he's like Kassadin if Kassadin had CC instead of mobility. That archetype of champ is just too good

@wyvernmounir530

Ай бұрын

Gragas and zac I always say these two champs are broken as fuck in every lane literally play zac adc or gragas adc and u win lol I don't get these two champs since I started playing league I always see these two champs are fucking disgustingly broken

@offthegrid777

Ай бұрын

I would love to see a Teemo ADC this MSI; please make it happen.

T1 should have their own tier at international events becasue when worlds comes around they are S++

i hope we have some great games of league and may the best team win

I want to see T1 vs BLG :)

To solve your struggle with putting G2, you should put TES at S tier then G2 can go A tier. After all, TES went to 5 games with BLG in upper bracket final and BLG is S+.

Love the way you give such detailed analysis on the teams and how they play Hope you stay happy and motivated in creating more content for us to enjoy! I’ve heard you’ve been rather down lately because of some negative feedback but don’t let that stop you from being you Your videos brought me and many others into the league competitive scene, and your personality is such a joy to watch, much love and stay strong 💪🫶

whats that chill song playing at the background

Player tier list next !!

In GAM I trust, my regionnnnn #GAMTIME

@ghost_cat5693

Ай бұрын

I always was a fan of underdogs IT'S GAMTIME BABY!

As A T1 forever fan I agree with what you said about them, Zues is shaky and can do weird stuff in lane and the dman TF pick made me so angry, he needed to drop it, but I'm think it's because the DDOS attacks on them that he wasn't good in the mid season, being unable to play the game may have a huge impact on their performance, maybe I'm coping but anyways, Great tier list video!!

@Unstuck-LS

Ай бұрын

Like t1 play around macro, they just looking for global presure to get turret, sneaky baron etc, this is not a team fight comp so if its happening then its worse for t1

@KM-zd6dq

Ай бұрын

If you are a T1 fan just STOP talking about the DDOS, don't mention it all the time, it actually looks so bad

@cdcidsid9228

Ай бұрын

T1 fans cannot accept their player isn’t good at any point. Always some excuse, blue side last MSI, injury, sickness, DDOS attack. T1 fans are the GOAT of making excuses. Zeus has sucked 70% of 2024 so far- should join the Olympics the way he sprints it. G2 will expose him

@lunanacomet

Ай бұрын

@@cdcidsid9228 it's fine, a bit of both tbf. Ddos taking away scrim and practice was a huge problem but T1 recovered by the end so whatever, let them cope

@pda32301

Ай бұрын

G2 cant even beat NRG

I think maybe rat lord can make another tierlist based on the meta shifts, 14.8 looks pretty different on the top and bottom lane champions

12:25 for the life of me, caedrel is looking at a different game sample size than the wr all the time.

I love how people have this cope of G2 can beat TES just like last year people think C9 and G2 can beat BLG 😂

@JesusSon117

Ай бұрын

EUw Fans have the biggest delusion each year, it's like their thing. You can see it every year. "ThIs YeAr wIlL bE BeTteR"- proceeds to get stomped year after year again.

@unogal5906

Ай бұрын

I don't know much about the LEC but I know for a fact that tian is a fraud and that man will conveniently lose when you least expect him to.

@imlegend8108

Ай бұрын

I dont know about C9 but BLG didnt come in too hot anyways. It wasnt about the others being crazy. Just nobody had high expectations for them. Nobody wouldve thought theyd stomp the Korean teams

@Pilv11

Ай бұрын

They can, even if it's unlikely it's still possible

@senamerenyuden4030

19 күн бұрын

Got anything to say lil bro?

PSG MBAPPE Carry this so PSG Win this MSI

Good list. Like the thought process on where you place teams. BLG's bot strength will be a big driving point with a weaker bot lane pool for teams. Only two teams they actually have to watchout there. GenG will have more difficulty out muscling teams on the solo side, but they do actually have real gameplans setup to aiding them. Team Liquid is similar in how they help these weaker points which bumps them up. FNC are terrible at it. G2 won't excel in lanes as easily in LEC. Smart team, but so much depends on this aspect. Mikyx and Caps did so much at worlds. Mikyx looking worse as of late so he must be in form. TES are not the smartest team either, but they are strong fighters. G2 can't match that based on what they showed in LEC. Should be a tier below at least with the chance to go up.

NA has surpassed EU and it showed last year. Both FLY and TL beat G2 and man handle fnc. G2 should be C tier.

@goofyzelkro

Ай бұрын

why are you talking about last year ? your comment is pointless

@jwmc99

Ай бұрын

NA surpassed EU by fielding a team of EU players. Ye i dont think so buddy

@minatoni5040

Ай бұрын

Your seed 1 at world litteraly said than g2 litteraly destroyed them every single scrims, they just giga under performed on stage, it happens.

@goofyzelkro

Ай бұрын

@@minatoni5040 ty

CBLOL will be in tier S+ ?

@jakobmoiirers_jmoii

Ай бұрын

I just wanted to say: where is LOUD!

@kaiki2037

Ай бұрын

​@@jakobmoiirers_jmoiiLoud probably D

Lets go T1 it's international

@user-jx7jd7bl4k

Ай бұрын

Theoretically, double elimination bracket always ensures #1 and #2 teams play against each other in a grand finale. We saw that in MSI 2023 or every single TI event in Dota 2. Just face it that it's going to be Gen.G vs BLG grand final.

@turtumurtu3295

Ай бұрын

what are you on about arguing with who?

@dizz1934

Ай бұрын

Let me translate what @@user-jx7jd7bl4k said: T1 will probably face BLG and they will be out. Plot twist -> T1 has one owner and it’s not BLG

@dwindled1339

Ай бұрын

@@user-jx7jd7bl4k bro chill, he is just cheering his favorite team.

@pureshka

Ай бұрын

@@user-jx7jd7bl4k it's gonna be either GenG vs BLG or GenG vs T1 in the finals. But I would assume we'll get GenG vs BLG at least in the Winner's bracket.

Cydrel Tierlist: LPL and LCK winning team S+ LCK/LPL Contenders/ Finalist (S) LEC = LCS (A)

he meant to say "bias" not skepticism

48 seconds ago is crazy

Caedrel worst tierlist of all times.Doublift just proved you wrong Giving BLG over Geng was always pointless.Because Geng is way better 😂😂😂😂

Meanwhile, JosedeOdo (Estral jungle) with a 98% win rate in korea, his perception of reality completely altered. 👽

GenG, BLG, T1 / TES / G2 / TL, FNC, FQ / PSG Talon / LOUD, GAM, Est This is best

I agree with the order but how do you put G2 on the same tier as a eastern team? They are top of B rather than A. Also Fly slaps FNC

@uralycyberg6542

Ай бұрын

G2 are playing way more on a macro way this year, with preparation they def can win against some eastern teams

@normaluser4599

Ай бұрын

He is overdosing on copium

@cremlindor6607

Ай бұрын

Fly doesn't slap FNC because Massu and Busio are worse than Noah/Jun

@clarrus_

Ай бұрын

​@@uralycyberg6542you forgot to put the fact they're playing in farmers league, hence why their macro looked 'good'

@henrikhillemyr4894

Ай бұрын

bro fnatic always slaps na teams. they slapped c9 last year at worlds as per usual. saying fly slaps fnc is delusional af

Caedrel, don't be bothered by all the stuff going on around you. I love everything you do, and I support you man! love from NA.

@thegaminghydra592

Ай бұрын

Wait what's happening around him

@pvva8911

Ай бұрын

@@thegaminghydra592 nothing lol

@x-manfam705

Ай бұрын

​@@thegaminghydra592 For real, im curious now lol

@yaooooo846

Ай бұрын

@@thegaminghydra592 Literally nothing at all

@Alians0108

Ай бұрын

@@x-manfam705 Absolutely nothing.

I just want to see GenG do well at internationals, they're way too good to choke, right?

If G2 plays to their level and TL plays to theirs, matchup between them should be absolute fire.

Keep it that way like last words when T1 was A tier but became S+++ during the tournament 🔥 and same will happen for this MSI 💪

I agree so much with this T1 take. I was hoping the worlds win would be a breakthrough for the T1 players and I think it was for everyone except Zeus. I think the MVP performance of Zeus as worlds gave him a huge ego and he is getting punished for it now.

@Alexinho-uj5cx

Ай бұрын

Cuz Keria isn't underperforming the whole entire split

@reishiki8682

Ай бұрын

I'm amused on how you link up being the Worlds MVP to "having an ego". He plays hyper-agresssive (to his benefit or detriment) since that's what suits him and his team, not because he thinks he's immortal. When he's mechanically skilled enough to absorb pressure from multiple ganks and still come out even or ahead of the opposition then he's owed respect. Better than tryharding then falling flat when it comes down to the wire. Besides, not his fault that bruisers are underpowered as hell currently.

@testsalv4366

Ай бұрын

He just needs to stop picking weird picks like that TF ffs. But even at his best Aatrox 1v5 form, BIN still gapped him so let's see if they meet BLG.

@animeanime7849

Ай бұрын

@@Alexinho-uj5cxwhole split Nah. Put there has been a handful of suspect games from Keria

@Lounes378

Ай бұрын

​@@Alexinho-uj5cx The whole split really

Estral Excites Me. They really look clean, like clean and Jose doesnt die

@loeizkr

Ай бұрын

They are not that bad, i feel like they can be the darkhorse in this msi

Love your take caedrel

How many times will we hype up G2 as a powerhouse only for them to look levels below actual powerhouse teams on both individual and teamplay capabilities.

@madamada2936

Ай бұрын

some people like to cheer for the west and g2 is all we got...

@TheAverageTarnished

Ай бұрын

@@madamada2936 cheering for a team is one thing, overhyping them in what is supposed to be game analysis is just pure hopium.

@madamada2936

Ай бұрын

@@TheAverageTarnished i mean this is overhyping? caedrel said he puts them on a low a high b tier. how is that overhyping?

Tes doubter, don't worry, you'll learn.

Unironically watching this video from a bullet train in Japan, this is the kiin hype train caedrel was talking about

How many of all the teams on msi have skins in the game?

this is like opening a can of league lingo and it's awesome

I really don't take predictions or tierlists like this seriously even if it's fun because they're all based on past form, not current. After all ratking still isn't living down what happened last year.

Vamos Estral!!!

I think people are underestimating TL. As long as nerves don't get the best of them, I think they will do better than most are expecting. Their teamfighting and map play have both been top-tier. I think they deserve to be as high as G2. I would move G2 down to same tier as TL and then I agree with the rest.

T1 MSI champion 🏆. GLHF...

S: GEN BLG T1 A: TES B: G2 C: TL FLY FNC D: PSG E: EST GAM LLL

@omarjafar846

Ай бұрын

Put T1 down to A and perfect list imo

T1 could be s+ tier if they learned how to pick/ban the fact they get rolled by k Sante all the time and never have a good counter is crazy. If they banned out ksante in finals they had a good chance to win

At first I thought you were genuinely putting T1 and TOP in B tier, I was hella confused

G2 wrath will be swift. All these peasants thinking we aren’t good. LMFAO.

@DB-ty6tq

Ай бұрын

♿️

@scifimisc9191

Ай бұрын

Yappa bought to follow-up NRG

@SlaneKnight

Ай бұрын

😴🛫👋

@pinkserenade

Ай бұрын

Why is a kid alone in the internet? Where is your father NRG?

@XxFWLxX311

Ай бұрын

NA owns you frauds

wake up zeus

My hot take is that PSG and GAM take out FLY and FNC in play-ins.

GEN G winning MSI mark my words

@ZyrexShorts129

Ай бұрын

yeah this is highly likely chovy is playing out of his mind and his jungler is canyon😂

@fangfeng6571

Ай бұрын

I Believe 😂

@neelchaudhary8993

Ай бұрын

Remind me

@bassyey

Ай бұрын

Maybe it's finally GENG's (current lineup) time. Like how the current T1's lineup failed for several years and finally got Worlds.

@jaspherodon1054

Ай бұрын

Gen G will Choke MSI mark my words

BLG=not choking GENG>T1>TES>Choking GENG>G2>FNC>TL>FLY>PSG>GAM>LOUD>EST

@user-qz7fm6ri5k

29 күн бұрын

...TES>EST>LOUD😂😂😂

I agree 101% with this Tier List...

I like the TL respect, if their playoff form wasn't a fluke, they've created a gameplan that can very definitely upset better teams a few times, they'll make it really fun either way.

G2 did not invent lane swaps. It was NIP idea

@KlaidasM

Ай бұрын

Nip did not invent it either, it was invented in EU back in like 2016

@Antoine-du5qo

Ай бұрын

@@KlaidasM also not true

@abouttime2569

Ай бұрын

@@KlaidasM You don't know your history. It was invented back in 2012 or 2013 by Azubu Frost. The team that had CloudTemplar.

@theteamxxx3142

Ай бұрын

@@abouttime2569 nha actually it was invented in Dota all star in 2003 and translated to league ( i love spreading misinformation on the internet )

@abouttime2569

Ай бұрын

@@theteamxxx3142 Dota lol you made me laugh

I really hope GEN.G can win this MSI but peyz and sometimes lahends as well looks shaky.

Caedrel better hire a private chef to feed him back his own words after YAPA yaps his way to an MSI trophy

I think Caedrel can use a term he said before to describe what Zeus is like "TheShy"

I might be coping because I am a fan of T1 and Zeus is on my favourite players right now; but i feel like Zeus getting caught is something that is very overplayed and more so an accumulation of uncorrected overreactions. Like Caedrel saying that Zeus randomly gets solokilled in lane and is something that happens more often than it should, seems like recency bias, since it really only time frequently happened was in the Geng series. Another thing that one can observe is how it seems like all deaths in isolation are looked at as the same; where Zeus literally gets four/five manned and all one sees in Caedrel chat and from himself is CAUGHT. Of course Zeus has bad games/ serieses like the Game 5 against GenG Kiin, but the larger picture which should be more so the narrative is that throughout the season and playoffs Zeus probably was T1s best individual performer.

@nepchan2086

Ай бұрын

He does get caught alot, but the main problem of t1 os their botlane, t1 fan or not, keria was absolutely disgusting almost the whole playoffs, so for now it feels lile blg will just repeat 2023 msi and perma fist them bot

@MintChocChipp

Ай бұрын

Agree with most of what you said, but I think Oner takes the best t1 performer for me. This guy has been unreal since worlds last year. Give him a champ he’s even vaguely comfortable on, and 9 times out of 10 he just gaps any jungler he plays against. I can’t get his rell flash over Ashe arrow ult engage from worlds out of my head, probably the single nastiest play in league since the faker zed 1v1 for me.

@gusti14

Ай бұрын

Keria played aweful and Guma was disgusting in TFa with Jynx and Zeri. Guma should stick to Varus/Senna/Ashe cause he is terrible at carrying games like other top tier team adcs do.

@ronlanders7354

Ай бұрын

Zeus is the best player on t1 no question, when he leaves good luck getting a player with same impact beside kiin.

@manaavo

Ай бұрын

lmao you didn't just say that about Guma​@@gusti14

Good take on T1 and GenG in the same Tier, as we can see in the Finals T1 is actually underperforming since DDos Attacks, and they got 3-0 by HLE, and I love how they comeback and make it to the finals not only that even thought they lose, they make it to Game 5 which is really crazy.

@pureshka

Ай бұрын

GenG players were also DDosed

@KM-zd6dq

Ай бұрын

Lets just stop talking about the DDos plz, only causing more hate to T1

@MrZeddddd

Ай бұрын

@@pureshka not to the extend of T1, they can still play on their main solo queue accounts, T1 players had to play on secret Riot accounts approaching playoffs

@derekmarshman6154

Ай бұрын

God, T1 fans are insufferable...

@MrZeddddd

Ай бұрын

@@KM-zd6dq it did happened though, you want to do what Riot Korea did and just as if it never happened?

I think I'd put GEN in S+ and have T1 the only team in S. Yes they often improve internationally but if we're devaluing TES despite taking games off BLG throughout the year, then we can't put T1 same tier as GEN rn. Outside of the finals GEN looked farther ahead of T1 than BLG looked compared to TES. Not to mention TES still came 2nd reg season against an obviously stacked league

Caedrel i love the content might not agree with all ur takes and it's perfectly fine.

Zeus keeps getting caught... He even got caught liking instagram models on main 😌

@brittanyk9272

Ай бұрын

What? It was a K-pop idol whose stream he was watching. Don’t make stuff up

@Downzia

Ай бұрын

He's been liking instagram reels of k-pop idols 💀 normal ass behaviour bruh don't miscontrue shit

@lmaoquan9534

Ай бұрын

Bro he is not gay let him enjoy it

But if Zeus doesnt get stomped in Finals by Kiin T1 is just way better than Geng, they would have 3-1 or 3-0 Gen

@alyx669

Ай бұрын

What is this logic?? I can just counter and say "Yeah but if Peyz and Lehends destroyed bot lane then GENG would've 3-0'd" Like why are we making up scenarios? You can make this argument for every single game of League. "If this didn't happen, then team A would've won"

I think If GENG chokes it’s gonna be T1 losing in a close game 5 to BLG unless they can upset with a good meta read.

GenG will never ever be truly favoutites in an international tournament.

I don’t understand the TES hate. They went 6-1 against JDG and played a 5 game series against BLG in upperbracket final. Their final might not have been amazing but it looks like that’s what he’s basing his take on. TES is a good team and they are not easily caught off guard by some lane swap by G2. TES is still such a strong team and caedrel thinking G2 is even remotely close seems sooo ridiculous to me

@ksjsjhss3475

Ай бұрын

thats because JDG is fucking dogshit, and thats LPL's 3rd best team, like ruler kanavi is very far away from their 2023 form and flandre is so fucking trash, I can understand people saying TES should be weakest out of 4 eastern teams but yea they would demolish G2 for sure, unless tian shits the bed

@santiago4444

Ай бұрын

when it comes to Europe caedrel is too unbiased. TES would stomp G2 in a bo5 and it wouldn't be close. It's always the same every year, G2 gets overhyped -> they are doing great in scrims and they do decent in some matches > they get hyper stomped when it really matters it won't be any different this year, there are some players in G2 that can't keep up with the east level sadly

@dennit1221

Ай бұрын

@@santiago4444more like, g2 will pull of close wins in bo1 against eastern teams -> EU gets hyped -> loses 0-3 against NA when it matters -> End of story

@alexanderatanasov5837

Ай бұрын

The final did not look close at all. TES looked to BLG like JDG looked to TES. TeS are just an historically inconsistent team in internationals. You can totally get why Caedrel thinks they could lose to G2 despite the player difference.

@omarjafar846

Ай бұрын

Man honestly I was a huge TES fan back in 2022 when they played those banger series's vs JDG and qualified to worlds, my issue with them is that as an organization they're the KT of the LPL. No matter how good they look you can't discount the fact that they are liable to choke vs teams like fucking 2022 gam and fail to qualify.

IDK where this G2 is better than TES at laneswaps narrative comes from. TES is one of the best teams at laneswaps right now because of Meiko. The first time TES played BLG at the winner's bracket game 5 TES was at a massive advantage through the laneswap against BLG but then 369 inted to the TF. In the finals Tian and Jackeylove had a disasterclass performance and all of a sudden people think TES is dogshit. Meanwhile GenG is looking massively exploitable because Peyz has just been dogshit the entire playoffs even when they played against DK. T1 should have won the finals if Zeus and Keria were remotely human and GenG only won because Chovy went godmode. The strongest teams at MSI are still BLG and T1 and if anything I think TES is probably even better than GenG if Kiin and Chovy don't have a domestic level performance.

After all these years I've found that Actual result will be the opposite of this..... Thank you

Could it be with the top 3 teams (BLG/Gen/T1) it could end up being where T1 has a better shot at beating BLG but still consistently loses to Gen.

I really think LCK level of play is just insane. T1 vs GenG was better than any of the last 5 world finals. And this LCK playoffs most competitive tournament I’ve ever seen. LPL is just soloq LCK. Crazy hands less team play. And EU and NA are the wildcards and let’s be real they’re very similar skill level if not NA above. NA has been insane this year and last year and EU has been getting worse every year since 2019.

@ronlanders7354

Ай бұрын

Lol no but i do think lck finals was fun to watch.

Talking about G2 beating TES botlane like they don't have jackeylove ICANT

@nikolakrastev8880

Ай бұрын

regular G2 glazing

@yigitkabaday3179

Ай бұрын

I can see G2 bot beating TES actually. Winning against TES would be hard though and against BLG the chances are they would lose. If G2 vs TES happens imo it will be a close one.

@vang-toulee8351

Ай бұрын

they dont need to beat them they just need to go even, pretty sure his case is that g2 teamplay and draft strategy is enough to beat TES

@melchiordelaunay2539

Ай бұрын

Hans sama is very similar to Jackeylove. Only flash offensively, aggressive laning phase, draven enjoyer... His peak is just much lower.

@SereneMars

Ай бұрын

I love how people have this cope of G2 can beat TES just like last year people think C9 and G2 can beat BLG 😂

16:05 "then you have UmTi, who just decides he's the goat" that line fucking killed me

S- BLG, GEN A- T1, TOP B- G2, FNC C- TL, FLY D- GAM, PSG

@adamdukey7961

Ай бұрын

FNC above TL is cope, lmfao. FNC have looked sus all split

Let's go Bilibili !

@naturesoundup

Ай бұрын

where is TheShy?

@aliceherring-bv4xg

Ай бұрын

@@naturesoundupretired bro

@brandon-bg7dv

Ай бұрын

​@@aliceherring-bv4xg no just rest

10:30 I love how when G2 makes a comeback, he says it should have been match point for FNC, but when T1 makes comebacks it just means they are the best comeback team in the world

@angelaphiphu3091

Ай бұрын

U mustn’t have watched either games then, g2 came back from a massive fnc mistake which i think was just them being too overeager where T1 consistently forces other teams to make ideal plays or they will come back

@lehends5683

Ай бұрын

@@angelaphiphu3091 yeah it was incredible how T1 mind controlled peyz to recall in the middle of the lane

@Arigatowo

Ай бұрын

Because t1 wins by outplaying and g2 wins by profiting off of mistakes and not getting punished (enough) for theirs. If you make mistake vs t1/geng you will lose.

@vang-toulee8351

Ай бұрын

because t1 fought hard for it, they made some really risky plays and stalled the game out enough for that chance. FNC just ran it down for g2

@wasaymehdi5754

Ай бұрын

GTurd sucks

How fast NA build up theyer own hypetrain untill the first game and then we have silence

where is loud?

tes and g2 in same tier is like placing g2 and kc in the same tier

@brandonverzijl6234

Ай бұрын

What? Tes aint even good G2 can win from them

@pasteveryfate

Ай бұрын

@@brandonverzijl6234 and TL can beat t1 yep

@brandonverzijl6234

Ай бұрын

@@pasteveryfate probably yeah if they get a good early game

@brandonverzijl6234

Ай бұрын

@@pasteveryfate look at 2022 msi g2 won agains T1 and RNG whilst that G2 was way worse then it is now

@pasteveryfate

Ай бұрын

@@brandonverzijl6234 and