I think the test should be not just 300 malicious files, but a mix of legit and bad exes, to see also how many false positives there are

@thecommentato4

Жыл бұрын

Microsoft edge hates minecraft mods

@bekirs4240

Жыл бұрын

@@thecommentato4 lmao

@marranin007

Жыл бұрын

@@thecommentato4 i mean jar files are really sus. Even chrome hates them

@Dandandandandandandandandanda1

Жыл бұрын

This.

@thecommentato4

Жыл бұрын

@@marranin007 edge is based on chromium. Firefox is bette

This man must have at least 100GB ram to have 300 chrome tabs open 😂

@houlej19

Жыл бұрын

The ratio seems alright

@qwdqwdqwdqwdqwdqwd8591

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, but the number you have dialed is out of service.

@WyattOShea

Жыл бұрын

Lol I had 400 open just a month or two ago. I've whittled it down to just over 100 now though. I only have 32gb of ram and only at most used up slightly more than half of it with 400 tabs open.

@anotherone3284

Жыл бұрын

Most tabs get set to inactive when too much are open. Linus Tech Tips made a video about it.

@WyattOShea

Жыл бұрын

@@anotherone3284 ^ This I also use a tab suspender kind of thing when a tab is inactive for more than like 10 minutes or something so I don't eat up all my resources as I regularly have a crap load of tabs open 😂.

The primary problem with that test methodology is the dataset itself. You source the dataset from any list or combination of lists. The browser developers basically do the same thing to feed their malware or malicious site detecting algorithm, which is possibly just as simple as "compare the checksums or URLs". So as long as they have a superset of these lists, they are guaranteed to perform well. More interesting is e.g. what happens if you create slightly altered, functionally equivalent mutations of existing malware (e.g. by replacing xor %eax, %eax with mov %eax, 0 for example) or to download these files from benign looking URLs.

@johndododoe1411

Жыл бұрын

Or "sub %eax,%eax", which is the same length and very similar in its bit pattern. Anyways, testing independent browsers like Brave and Palemoon is important for any comparison to be fair.

@SouthDallas20

Жыл бұрын

😵‍💫

@Qu0thTheRaven

Жыл бұрын

certainly one wouldnt want to just use this method to test whether a browser is secure or not but as a proof of concept python script i think its ONE way to test your browsers security features which can spoke interest, discussion or inspiration like with what you mention, and that's the real value of this video, in my opinion.

@Radonatos

Жыл бұрын

I would go even further and say that the test itself is pretty pointless: It's not testing how secure the browser is, but how good the blacklists are. Scanning for malicious files or sites is merely a bonus to assist the low brow users from _downloading_ malware from suspicious sites. Doesn't help if the browser is susceptible to HTML-based or Javascript attacks (i.e. malformed images or javascript exploits causing buffer overflows etc), and you can't test these with some file downloads, even if you try it with a million files.

@trjblq

Жыл бұрын

I think it's the point of the test. Between the browsers, to see which one keeps up with these the best.

Good test, but I think a better one would be with just websites and no downloads. Might be a bit more difficult to do. Maybe open a page, and check if most of the page is red, and then close it again. This I think would be better because most browsers won't download exe-files that are uncommon. Also would be great if used with a list of very fresh links.

You mentioned that Chrome/Edge had the notice of "not commonly downloaded" insinuating it was specific to them, but Firefox displayed virtually the exact same warning on many of the files. Arguably Firefox had an even better rate because its blocked % was 93% not counting any warnings (which were counted on the other two browsers).

@artbell259

Жыл бұрын

the most used browser will be targeted the most, so maybe we can expect firefox and edge to do best ?

@Ze_eT

Жыл бұрын

@@artbell259 That... doesn't make sense. "The most used browser will be targeted the most, therefore the second-most used browser will be the best, i.e. not targeted at all". Following your logic, it should be a completely unknown browser. As for whether completely unknown browsers actually are safe, not really? Unless you have already patched every single bug in that browser, which is practically impossible to do, all you are relying on is security through obscurity, and if there's a cross-browser exploit, who will care to patch the unknown browser?

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

Firefox lacks a robust smart screen. But using norton safeweb addon for firefox has changed changed the game literally. It even filters out most phishing links, which is impressive.

@doge7831

Жыл бұрын

@@himankan firefox doesn’t lack a proper smartscreen, it has one built in, and norton sucks.

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

@@doge7831 I've been using firefox for more than a decade and have recently tested it against a good number of malicious links. Then I went testing almost all security addons, including BD Traffic light, mwb, wot, safeweb, avast/avg, emsisoft, avira etc. Safeweb was the only one that performed on par with edge. The other addons failed miserably, even with ublock origin and https mode enabled.

Edge doesn't deserve the amount of hate it gets. I have been a chrome user for the last 5 years or so but have started trying edge because of instability issues in chrome. From what i have seen, Egde is superior to chrome in almost every aspect. It is a lot more stable, consumes same or less resources than chrome, and has decent ui.

@manuinjapan

Жыл бұрын

And dont forget the vertical tabs. I cant use any other browser now.

@eeka_droid

Жыл бұрын

Firefox has vertical tabs extensions, I've installed and I'm using it since I learned that from using Edge at work.

@FlVE

Жыл бұрын

@@eeka_droid firefox uses more resources in video decoding. About twice as much on my laptop. Which decreases my laptop's battery life a lot. That was my main reason for leaving firefox.

@MrKra888

Жыл бұрын

Try CCleaner Browser and Adguard security extension (with security filters enabled). After using them together, you won't go back to Chrome, Edge or Firefox.

@KJMcLaws

Жыл бұрын

My beef with edge is how strongly Microsoft tries to force it on you. Even just "updating" settings to trick you back to edge. I used edge for a while on a windows s machine and it works but I don't think it's better or worse than chrome. (Other than Microsofts attempts making me hate it)

I am surprised by these results, as a lifelong Firefox user i am happy to see that it holds up and also surprised how strong Edge is. Great video and a note i will stick to Firefox.

@ad1340yt

Жыл бұрын

edge is actually really good now you should try it

@Yugarash1

Жыл бұрын

I love firefox

@RU-qv3jl

Жыл бұрын

@@ad1340yt Not OP but but thanks. It’s based on Blink and I don’t want Blink and WebKit to be the only rendering engines in town. The dominance of Blink is bad enough as it is. I’ll use Firefox and support them as much as I can because I don’t want one company to completely dominate the Internet as Microsoft did with IE. Companies have a terrible history of abusing that level of power.

@ad1340yt

Жыл бұрын

@@RU-qv3jl no blink should take over the world

@AimerYui

Жыл бұрын

@@RU-qv3jl agree with you 👌

That is pretty cool. I'm still going to use Firefox though (although boosted with various add-ons). I know this was just a simple test but it's not so much browser security as browser security for downloading specific malware. That's not the only possible sort of attack and just because it's good at protecting against bad downloads, doesn't mean it protects against other vulnerabilities. It's also important to know how many safe downloads are incorrectly blocked. A browser which by default blocks all downloads would score 100% on this test but it would be a terrible browser.

@KurtElliott

Жыл бұрын

I know where your coming from, I've been using Firefox with a lot of addons for years, I wish I could find them all for Edge!

@neunzehnvierundachtzig

Жыл бұрын

I used to use Firefox then i moved to Edge, I couldn't stay long as it didn't even hava a good enough proxy extension so moved back to Firefox.

@KurtElliott

Жыл бұрын

@@neunzehnvierundachtzig Yeah, Firefox must have the most extensions out of all the browsers, thanks for reminding me, I thought there might be a DuckDuckGo browser for Windows but nope, I would be installing it right now since I just I searched for it... =8^/

It would have been good to have 300 maleware addresses and 300 legitimate addresses. I'm suspicious of Edge's 100% detection rate.

@enemixius

Жыл бұрын

This. False positives matter, because if they're too common, it will only teach the user to ignore the warnings.

@mudmug1

Жыл бұрын

​@@enemixius exactly

@nashorn9745

Жыл бұрын

@@enemixius i use edge and download many programs and never had a false positive

@Person01234

Жыл бұрын

Same. I don't think it's "false positives", I think there's some quirk about how this is being measured where it measures edge as having a 100% detection rate when it actually doesn't, and I think if we used legitimate addresses it would "protect" against all those too (even though in reality it's not protecting against nearly as much).

@nashorn9745

Жыл бұрын

@@Person01234 its the hash that is important if it detects one or not

FireFox ain't chromium so Imma stick to that.

@DevishMend

Жыл бұрын

There are rumors that Google will stop funding Mozilla in 2023, so I'm curious if Firefox can survive with a $450 million hole in its financial budget.

@xClairy

Жыл бұрын

@@DevishMend It would've after the manifest v2 thing by Google but they delayed it and so yea monopoly brrrr

@StiekemeHenk

Жыл бұрын

@@DevishMend me waiting for the lawsuits for Google being monopolistic, anticonsumer and having to break up 👴

@avpr1c

Жыл бұрын

Mozilla is a WEF partner so I’m sure they’ll be fine

@mxbunnycatter

Жыл бұрын

@@avpr1c Uh-huh... Because saying things you were told by unreliable people who have hugely antisemitic tendencies, is such a needed thing, I guess🙄

Been binging all of your videos since I found your channel Late yesterday. Now it's 4AM soon to be 5 and I'm still watching. Thx for testing, showing and teaching us the ways to stay safe on the web and keeping our own information private and secure.

Agree with some previous posts. It would be interesting to see some tests on how these browsers perform with Malwarebytes browser guard and Unlock Origin plugins... then also a separate test if you change your dns to maybe Cloudflare's protected DNS servers or OpenDNS malware/adult protection dns servers.

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

Norton safe web addon for firefox performs way better than browser guard and almost all browser security addons I've tested so far.

@angrysocialjusticewarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@himankan Please stop trying to shove your norton addon down people's throats. You spammed every comment with your addon. We get it, you either work at Norton or you know someone who does. But that does not mean you can harass for your own personal gain. Malwarebytes is all we need, thanks.

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior I, or anyone I know have no remote relation with that company. Secondly now you're promoting another av addon. The reason why I'm saying what I've been saying is because people hate norton and rightly so. I have hated them for their recent practices too. But the performance of that addon surprised me when tested against real world malicious links. Now when I say this, it's not to promote but hopefully somebody will give it a thought to test it for themselves.

@Outwardpd

Жыл бұрын

I agree it would be interesting, but it wouldn't be representative of anything that is useful to derive information from for standard users. Standard users are only in the past several years even deciding to download different browsers aside from the default, much less changing DNS. And most users familiar with such things aren't particularly in danger of these malicious links in the first place.

@8xus_

Жыл бұрын

Double it and give it to the next person

Idk if you've tried this but, if you want to test more links you could always wait until the connection to the site has completed then close the tab and move on potentially allowing you to cycle through unlimited links. Also you could have just used a CLI tool so it's not as system intensive (ik it looks less cool though). but all we care about is if we connected or not, so looking at what was loaded is kind of irrelevant. Anyways cool vid, i've always like the "browser test series" of things

@pcsecuritychannel

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I have tried it, but it would just be too slow for the purposes of making a video as the multitude of links would be stuck waiting in the queue rather than downloading parallelly.

@assetaden6662

Жыл бұрын

Now imagine how long it would take. You can blast your browser with 300 pages in less than 5 seconds, or wait for page to load which also can take up to 10 seconds. Even if it takes 1 second to fully load the page, it is 300 seconds = 7-8 minutes. But most sites take at least 3 seconds to load, so its literally half an hour to check 300 sites compared to 5 seconds.

@skya6863

Жыл бұрын

@@pcsecuritychannel maybe make like 50 threads such that 50 links are open at the same time?

I feel like there should be more content like this. It seems like this should garner more interest than it seems to.

Great video, thanks. I would still stick to Firefox Nightly with Edge as a backup, and Chrome not being installed at all on the machines, but it is good to know the spyware browser is good against malware (yes, I know the irony of KZread and Chrome coming from the same company)

@TalkingHands308

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty similar to you, but with regular Firefox and Edge without ever installing Chrome on anything, lol.

would be good to also test Brave, Tor, Vavaldi, and Opera

@glowgold868

Жыл бұрын

Don't know how he would do tor browser. I think the urls are just a lot of random characters like letters and numbers, and I don't know if there is a repository of tor browser malware installation links. Plus I don't think there are any safety measures to prevent malware on tor.

@LordKosmux

Жыл бұрын

Vivaldi in an Opera?

@zun1uwu

Жыл бұрын

​@@glowgold868 Tor is also widely used for "normal sites" and is also the browser with the most safety measures against malware and hardening out of ALL common browsers, because that is the point of using it in the first place.

@glowgold868

Жыл бұрын

@@zun1uwu I see. But I think the results of testing the tor browser would be a waste of time if you could estimate the results. If its hardening of all common browsers, I think it would miss at max 10.

@zun1uwu

Жыл бұрын

@@glowgold868 yup

It would be really interesting how Brave performs in this test considering it's also Chromium based like Edge. Anyway - great video! 👍

@xE92vD

Жыл бұрын

Chromium plays no part in the security right here. Edge has its own protection against malware.

@yna50bc

Жыл бұрын

@@xE92vD I think what he means is that Brave might have extra protection like Edge

@DevishMend

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Asux - I get that. Brave focuses mainly on privacy and blocks cross-site trackers, third-party cookies, fingerprinting, bounce tracking, and malware/phishing attempts, but I don't know about download security. It's not that easy to test this yourself, so I think it would be an interesting topic.

@DevishMend

Жыл бұрын

@@yna50bc THX - That's exactly what I've meant 😅

@yna50bc

Жыл бұрын

@@simimik. What about brave adblock 🤨

I've seen lots of tests like these, but none of them address the question I would like to see answered. They generally test how secure/performant/etc. an application is out of the box with default settings, when I want to know how well an application can be made to work through configuration adjustments. I want the app with the best potential, because that's what I'm going to tweak it to and home in on before settling in for the long term. It's a more difficult thing to test, I know, but it would be interesting to test an app with its default settings vs with settings adjusted by an expert user (or more than one).

I'd love to see this test done using some more obscure browsers like opera gx and brave

@zixiqin3380

Жыл бұрын

Those aren't exactly obscure, but yes more browsers would be good Also Safari if they can somehow get a Mac VM

@TaxiCabCole

Жыл бұрын

Brave is pro-NFT, constantly gives crypto related popups, and steals profit from sites by redirecting URLs to ones they profit from. Just another phony privacy browser. I'll stick with Firefox and Tor.

Enthusiast Edge user here, I know, we're rare.. When I get the prompt for an unpopular file, I usually double check to see if it's not some sketchy file, unless it's from a trusted website, then I just keep it.

@rapiddu6482

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Whenever I get this warning I just copy the download link and paste in online virus scan to check manually. My ratio for these files is 50-50. 50% of the time it does help me avoid downloading something I don't trust already.

Good stuff Leo. Vivaldi (basically Chrome, uses Blink engine) has a similar download option to discard or keep items that _may_ be dangerous. I'm not sure it's about popularity. It seems to also happen with downloads from unsecure servers.

@swiftypopty1102

Жыл бұрын

Vivaldi always considers every exe to be "possibly dangerous" and asks if we want to discard or keep it.

Could you also include Opera GX for this kind of testing? That browser is growing in popularity.

What happens in the browser is pretty interesting, especially when you do this analysis things start to come to light. I would have gone deeper though and reversed some binaries to understand why these tools blocks these particular flagged websites vs new malware. Seems like the approach for both black and white hats is deeply native

Can you do this test with Brave and Vilvaldi?

Would love to see Brave, Opera and Vivaldi next

Did you do a manual count of the entries, where you could hit the 'keep' button? In my company, i see that messagt for almost every file, even for our own sharepoint site.

I wish you had a test like this and added Brave. That's the browser I use all the time at home and work.

Trying other chromium based browsers, or browsers made by AV's (avg secure browser, comodo, etc.) would be cool. I guess the malware links would be blocked anyway because it's in the antiviruses signatures and is added to a blacklist for browser protection, but just an idea. Great video as always!

@user-zg4bk6rv1q

Жыл бұрын

My pc got hacked years ago when i was using comodo... Hope they've improved lol

@DimMVK

Жыл бұрын

Heck no. Never use AVG stuff, comodo is not that great as well.

Do the same test for brave

thanks for the upload. did you try it with unlock origin with all its malicious filters on?

Thanks a lot for this very useful comparison. I have one little request. Can you please test Opera side-by-side too?

You could've added some delay in opening the tabs, and fix the number of opened tabs, say at 20. When a site fully loads/downloads the exe, you can close it afterwards. I think it is possible to do with selenium, that way a lot more sites could've been added. Although it might take a bit longer than opening all the sites at once. Also, it would be interesting to run the test on the same browser multiple times and see if the detection ratio is same. I think opening all the tabs at once may overload the requests and some of the sites may not load correctly.

I'm actually surprised Edge was better. I've been using Edge for a while. Despite Microsoft's shittyness sometimes, they do have a good browser here. Been using it for one year now, it's really easy to use, much better than Chrome (which I used for over 10 years)

@freecomkcf

Жыл бұрын

they're on point for the technologies they bother to develop, it's just the problem is that they drop a lot of their own tech seemingly out of nowhere sometimes. off the top of my head, Silverlight and XNA as examples

@Leonhart_93

Жыл бұрын

It can't really be "much" better than Chrome because Microsoft switched to Chromium relatively recently, Chrome's open-source engine. Before the switch the old Edge could not really keep up competitively, now they run about the same speed wise.

@v01d_r34l1ty

Жыл бұрын

@@freecomkcf Windows Defender SmartScreen has been around for a while now, and Windows Defender even longer. Originally Windows Defender was an embarrassing anti-virus but now it's really good and probably has a massive database of signatures. As far as Edge goes itself, it's literally just modified Chromium, so they probably only touched 1% to make it work, and added 10% more to make it Microsoft.

@Felipe_9999

Жыл бұрын

For me, a Firefox user, the main reason I refuse Edge is purely because MS tries to shove it down my throat every oportunity they get, perhaps if they stopped doing such things I'd actually try it out and make an objective desicion about it.

@v01d_r34l1ty

Жыл бұрын

@@Felipe_9999 Even MS Office will archive user data until an internet connection is established then send it to Microsoft. That means Microsoft is logging what you do even when offline. Get outta the rat trap that is Microsoft Windows. I'd love to say switch to Linux, but most people don't take too kindly to that nowadays, even though it's way better.

Thank you for the video. Have you tested Brave, Vivaldi and Opera?

Not suprised about the results, Edge probably has Defender built-in (application guard is noice btw) and has become a very good browser in general. Chrome and Firefox have expected results at stock settings, but keep in mind that there's alotta extensions and browser settings which can greatly enhance your security with those. Of course .exe viruses are a meme at this point and not your main concern, but it was a nice showcase anyway

Great video as always! Maybe you could do a similar test but via DNS that have security filters? E.g Cloudflare DNS, Quad9, NextDNS and AdGuard DNS?

@AidanGeeMedia

Жыл бұрын

@@wooshbait36 thanks for you detailed contribution

@anotherone3284

Жыл бұрын

I'm also interested in a DNS test.

@guiorgy

Жыл бұрын

Add pihole to the mix

@guiorgy

Жыл бұрын

@@wooshbait36 no one asked you. Go back into your hole

@LogicalError007

Жыл бұрын

Many of those use similar block lists. But yeah there will be some differences.

This is great, every Windows user could learn from this channel.😄

It would be interesting to see what files would have been downloaded if a professional End Point Protection like Eset Protect would have been installed. Even if Firefox as first line of defense fails, this would have been a fallback. Aditionally ublock Origin is commonly used because most website owners have gone to far with ads, so ublock origin is the only answer.

Thanks for the very informative video. One point that I have observed is that edge chromium browser by default blocks all or most of the exe files, in general. So that is one point to be considered.

@gabrielandy9272

Жыл бұрын

it don't block verified files tho.

LOL, you sounded so surprised when Edge, Edged out the competition!! (Sorry I'll show myself out) 🤣 But great video. I have seen many other comments asking for variations of this test. With different browsers and different plug-ins or settings. I would like to see those as well. Also if you could dig deeper into being able to separate out the 2 levels of alerts, that would be useful too. Anyways, thanks Leo!

@vividthespis

Жыл бұрын

ba dum tss! 😀

Edge also has an enhanced security mode that according to Microsoft blocks JIT javascript code and has sandboxing built in Wonder how good it truly is

@HanabiiiUwU

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a really good tool if you have older people or children using the browser

@rutujrunwal3579

Жыл бұрын

@@HanabiiiUwU It’s better to have something like that in the browser than nothing

Your folder icons are quite exquisite.

Amazing video brother!! Many thanks for sharing 👍 🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏 Plz more videos like that!

Out of sheer curiosity Leo, just how many exe's did it take to crash each of these browsers, Edge looked as though it was on the verge of crashing there, how much many more did take before each of them crashed?

@pcsecuritychannel

Жыл бұрын

Firefox was the drawback here. The other browsers could do 500+ no problem.

@zrainyday5266

Жыл бұрын

@@pcsecuritychannel I'm not too surprised lol. I mean I don't think it's servers were made for that kind of number. It's enough of a test for other browsers that have more market share and money. Also maybe it's just my computer but Chrome on mine would probably tank at like 100 and Firefox would tank at maybe 70. Idk how you got hundreds on any of those

We need you to add another one browsers, Brave!

A few seconds in, but I had to comment. So refreshing to click on a random click and the KZreadr just jumps right into it.

good test thanks. The exe files are known on virustotal ? you turn off the windows defender ?

Not all Chromium Browsers are the same after all - nice. Good vid. This test group while using a Linux based operating system would be excellent for closure; WSL could possibly suffice, but a hardware native installation of Linux and the browser test group would be phenominal. Nice work, regardless.

@kanalisationerstellen

Жыл бұрын

DEFINETLY not Yandex, Opera and Edge for example are very different even in terms of using RAM

I'd be interested to see how Brave does in this scenario.

ah cool test!! thanks. I've found that I have been using MS Edge more the last 6 months, they've created a pretty nice browser. IMO

This is a GREAT video! I am looking to see if I should relinquish my AVG Antirvirus that I pay for, or switch to another provider. I'll look through your videos to see about an AVG paid review rate. I see tons of videos for the FREE AVG but what about the paid or subscriber version? I use AVG because they are device friendly and I cover all of my devices with AVG.

Good video. It would be also interesting if you also tried with "secure" browsers like Brave, Tor Browser, LibreWolf, among others (it would require you to set some settings before, through).

@Anonymous4045

Жыл бұрын

It's worth noting that there's a difference between secure, private, and anonymous

@hotrodjones74

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you can't have it all in the internet world and it's all only so private. But it's sure nice to reduce the amount of metadata you hand over to the tech overlords. If we don't post it they don't need to know about it. That's my philosophy anyhow.

@malwaretestingfan

Жыл бұрын

@@hotrodjones74 Same goes for me.

Nice video, but my antivirus will already block them all. Secondly I would prefer Firefox for privacy. True edge and chrome do better in this test when we look at blocking malware etc but I am curious to know what choice you would make when privacy is very important as well.

@macsuibhne02

Жыл бұрын

If privacy is your concern then you have to use Edge because malware is a much bigger threat to your privacy than any browser, so you need to be sure you're blocking every threat.

@marcusborderlands6177

Жыл бұрын

@@macsuibhne02 if privacy is a concern, use your brain and don't download random BS...

@zrainyday5266

Жыл бұрын

@@macsuibhne02 Cookies and ads do worse privacy wise in everyday life. Yes malware is bad, but it's also on the user to be smart and use critical thinking when looking at links and files. Of course protection is good and Firefox has a substantial amount. The rest is on the user. Personally I'll take 7% less detection for the ability to also keep my general everyday privacy too. Malware doesn't happen to the user everyday. Cookies and ads can if you don't have sufficient adblockers which is why I'll take Firefox over Chrome and Edge.

@macsuibhne02

Жыл бұрын

@@zrainyday5266 Cookie and ad blockers can be installed on any browser. If taking steps to protect your privacy is your solution, there are things you can do to protect yourself on any browser equally. If you think that you privacy is protected on Firefox, which is 90% funded by Google and has ads built in by default, you're a fool. You really think advertisers would be happy to hear their ads aren't targeted? Where do you think the ads are served from. Also, if you're so worried about your daily browsing privacy, why are you logged into a Google account right now? Bet you have a Facebook account too. If you think your daily browsing is secure, you're a fool.

@zrainyday5266

Жыл бұрын

@@macsuibhne02 Idk if it's really worth replying considering how needlessly aggressive you're being lol. But I'm going to anyway. And no, no Facebook. Too many pedophiles and such a disgusting app in general. "Cookie and adblockers can be installed on any browser equally." Not in January. V3, remember? Only non-Chromium browsers and/or browsers with fundamentally built in blockers will retain this. So that, in my personal opinion puts Firefox above Chrome in terms of privacy. You can now but what about in just a measly few months? Without web request adblockers won't work properly. And V3 is not fully fledged. It has more exploits than V2 currently due to it's infancy and without adblockers and cookie blockers, you just know malicious ads are going to get through and use those exploits. Hackers will eat that shit up. And I'm aware that Firefox is still taking on V3 but the difference is, it's also keeping web request meaning adblockers, no, all privacy extensions will remain usable and stop said exploits to an extent. It's not completely fool proof but it's better than what Chrome is becoming. Of course there are. Doesn't change that Firefox has objectively better privacy settings than Chrome nor does it change the above paragraph. It's funded by Google as is everything else web related. It doesn't change their current business model. They are still a separate entity with a different company, you know that, right? Mozilla has a different goal in mind. Of course they still want money, that's just business. But their goal is to make a more secure and privacy focused browser whereas Google primarily wants to cater to advertisers and be the leading company on the web. It's likely why the settings for cookies takes much more going out of the way to look for than Firefox's cookies settings. Same with adblocking extensions. Google gives you a brief paragraph that they exist and that's it, the rest is on you and the average user won't bother. Firefox practically serves it on a silver platter lol, being one of the first customizable options it presents to you meaning the average user might take a look. I'd give this more merit if this was only recent but this has been the case for a long time and yet Mozilla is actively breaking Google's models and wants. Probably why Google wants to cut funding tbh. Um... So does Chrome and even Edge? Almost every browser does. Not a problem with blockers, which again, won't exist on Chromium in January unless it's one of those specialized browsers with built in blockers. And no, advertisers aren't happy, it's probably why Google wants to severe the line. Because I need it. I have no choice. Firefox also lets you sync. If I had a choice, things would be different. But it's needed for important things so I have to use it.

You should do the test on the default chrome, then turn on Enhanced Protection to see how much it really helps.

Great Video but why did you leave out important topic? Some sites that are bad can now hijack browsers by simply going to a webpage/website. So during your test where any of the broswers hijacked?

Wouldn't the scores for all browsers massively improve with some stricter settings than default and a few extensions? I will be using Firefox until the day I die anyways and I have the settings on pretty much the strictest they can be without breaking websites plus the usual Extensions like Ublock, PrivacyBadger, DuckDuckgo privacy and some more

@TaxiCabCole

Жыл бұрын

DuckDuckGo sells your data though.

I would like to see you test this with other browsers as well! My two would be brave and TOR. Additionally, I would love to see this test with browsers and the difference with them using addons.

@TheStevenWhiting

Жыл бұрын

TOR is Firefox.

@jackfishthe6th373

Жыл бұрын

@@TheStevenWhiting It is a modified version of Firefox which is why I am curious if there is any differences.

@fotnite_

Жыл бұрын

@@TheStevenWhiting Yes, but it's significantly modified particularly for security purposes, it's likely that certain changes such as javascript being blocked by default would increase the success ratio for blocking

@TheStevenWhiting

Жыл бұрын

@@fotnite_ True

Really nice and helpful... Thanks!

great video, thanks for the info!

Yeah, "it could harm" means its an exe so its not blocking them and everyone just clicks keep. Every program except for googles own exe's, are "blocked"

@HanabiiiUwU

Жыл бұрын

Here's the thing tho, almost all safe files I've downloaded do not warn on Edge, and when they do, it's either unsigned or from a site that's known to also host viruses, even if it's not the file you downloaded. Also, if people click "keep" than it adds a human variable to virus detection which is impossible to effectively test. The person behind the screen is the weakest security link.

Hi there, love the videos! Have you done a test with Secure DNS? like Quad9 etc against malware links. Would be cool to see if Quad9, Cisco umbrella, and all those, how they work.

I've personally noticed that Chrome Enhanced mode does make a difference with a decent amount of malicious sites especially ones that don't necessarily contain malware but instead are spam/scam sites that pop up with warnings that "Microsoft/McAfee/etc. has detected that your computer is compromised/infected/etc"

Very interesting test. I didn't expect Edge could perform better. I'd really like to see how Brave browser would also perform. Brave is gaining a lot of popularity lately because of it's headlining feature of Privacy and security in mind. Well I suggest we put it to the test.

@Moochi4

Жыл бұрын

I been using brave for along time it's truly amazing

@TaxiCabCole

Жыл бұрын

Brave is pro-NFT, constantly gives crypto related popups, and steals profit from sites by redirecting URLs to ones they profit from. Just another phony privacy browser. I'll stick with Firefox and Tor.

@Moochi4

Жыл бұрын

@@TaxiCabCole lmao you do you I like my security when I'm on the internet

@hotrodjones74

Жыл бұрын

I've been using Brave for years on both my Linux laptop and Android. It's pretty good. As anything on the internet it's only so private. Firefox with the right settings and plugins is the only other viable option it seems. Brave is my preferred Android browser for now.

@TaxiCabCole

Жыл бұрын

@@Moochi4 firefox and tor especially are literally way more secure than brave is the thing

I will stick to Firefox. Although it was fun to see how it held up. I use uBlock ads blocker, ghostery, WOT & other plugins plus Kaspesky Anti-Virus with built in firewall that I control what apps on my PC are allowed to access internet.

I'm impressed with your objectivity. I've seen internet jokes about one-and-done Edge, only used to download Chrome. I get the impression that Chrome and Firefox have much better brands in general. Still, for your experiment found that Edge was the best and you presented that result. Thank you for not just telling me what I want to hear. Thank you for not placating the expectations of the biggest audience for clicks.

@alh4zr3d3

Жыл бұрын

He wasn't objective. At all. He called Chrome and Edge "this file is unknown and weird" warnings "detections", which is stupid and blatantly shows you the biggest difference between these three browsers: that two of the three of them are openly spying on their users and sending data back to Google and Microsoft on downloaded files and god knows what else. Even without having to spy on its users, Firefox still detected on 93%. And I mean actually detected, not "hurr durr this file is weird none of my spyware data has noticed it".

@8xus_

Жыл бұрын

The internet memes are trust breaking, now i trust swiper the fox more than the internetters

@PatrickStaight

Жыл бұрын

@@8xus_ Swiper, no swiping. Swiper no swiping. Swiper... aww...dang it...

You should add the Brave and Tor browsers and you should include EEF's Cover Your Tracks test.

Hmm, this is quite eye opening for browser defaults. I use Firefox with custom DNS filters, adblock, and 'hardened' browser settings. On Windows I always uploaded suspicious files to hybrid-analysis, but ever since switching to Linux I haven't needed to with everything in somewhat moderated repositories.

@Anonymous4045

Жыл бұрын

Your chances of getting malware from a browser on linux is probably near 0 unless you're trying to get some

@hotrodjones74

Жыл бұрын

The beauty of Linux. It's come a long way in the last few years. Team Penguin forever!

I would have loved to see Brave in this video.

Hey The PC Security Channel. I have question, why not make comparison of browser extensions, which is better to protect from various malicious activities? Like adGuard, NoCoin( antibitcoin mining), or even compare to extensions which offered by various internet security/antivirus companies, avast, kaspersky, and etc.. That would be a greatfull help.. :)

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

I've tried all of them and norton safeweb addon came out on top. Literally nothing got past it, not even phishing links.

@hadestemplar1467

Жыл бұрын

@@himankan Can you provide the list which extensions you have used?

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

@@hadestemplar1467 Malwarebytes browser guard, norton safe web, web of trust, bitdefender traffic light, AVG/Avast Online security, Emsisoft security, Avira Browser Safety, McAfee WebAdvisor to name a few. McAfee did perform decently but it needs another program to be installed and I've had bad experiences with their AV, so I stay away. Kaspersky performs well too but you'll need the complete AV suite for it to work. I expected bitdefender to perform well but it failed in filtering newer phishing links. Note: ublock origin was always turned on and https mode was turned on for firefox in all the tests.

@hadestemplar1467

Жыл бұрын

@@himankan and may to hear in which way testings where done and to which elements where primary focused?

@himankan

Жыл бұрын

@@hadestemplar1467 the first test was against phishing links, if they could identify and block random phishing websites that promised free btc or ether and contained links pointing to malicious crypto wallets and fake giveaways. This is also the most common method for the elderly to fall for support scams. The second test was against sites with invalid or expired certificates, if it could identify and warn users, (Trust score). Most websites hosting pirated content don't have legitimate certificates. The third test was regarding websites containing dangerous download links, similar to whats hosted in eicar, if it could block the website or the download of such content.

Do a part 2 where you include legitimate software downloads that aren’t very popular as well as showing data that includes and discounts those semi warnings

If you're pushing the system, would that affect the result if the browser isn't able to keep up which probably let's more through since it is maxed out.

Now it would be interesting to see a better understanding of how Edge manages it's 100% detection, is it attempting some kind of sandbox with defender to do active testing before displaying a result or is it all MS database based.

@nashorn9745

Жыл бұрын

MS database stored locally and online

I've always found the security of most browsers to be comparable. My decision usually comes down to privacy. In that regard, I use FireFox because of it's many debloated forks in tandem with the ability to manually disable settings that I believe are an invasion of my online privacy. Sure, with Chrome you can do this too. And chromium forks like Brave exist. But trying to debloat Chrome is a major pain in the a$$ when compared to Firefox. With Firefox the devs have put thought into the fact that some people will want to disable certain settings for privacy reasons, and they made that option available. With Chrome, it's quite clear the devs didn't want people to disable certain tracking elements and have gone out of their way to hide certain variables and functions from the user. I realize that I didn't mention edge, so I'll mention it now. Edge exists. That's all, moving on.

In the next video you should also test Brave browser, I heard their inbuilt adblocker work very well in blocking malware download and malicious websites.

I'm impressed with Edge! 👏🏻 As for the dual warning from Edge and Chrome... They could have easily made it all just "blocked", but they are trying to give the user some options in the process. I see those alternate warnings as a full block.

@jobslolo7387

Жыл бұрын

Edge is getting better by the day imo. i initially liked it because i was living in china and it was easy to work with it, unlike any google software that was blocked, and also i could work with the windows/android/edge/cloud microsoft provides for free. so i kinda get an all in one 2FA/password manager + cloud on all my devices, that alone eliminated so much hassle when it came to security management. now i see this, edge better at blocking malwares, and the recent news about chatGPT being included in the next Edge builds. i feel like not using Edge would be a mistake, it seems to be a superior browser in so many ways. If you use windows, login to your microsoft account on a reinstall of windows, your edge browser on first start is already configured with your settings, and even your extensions you had installed. so you have almost nothing to manage or reinstall everytime. such a time saver.

@8xus_

Жыл бұрын

@@jobslolo7387 Edge is defo getting better each day, the other day they announced a whole new ui update. Same with bing, bing chat and image AI is incredible

Suggestion - run the same test for 300 random, not popular, legitimate files/links to see the True to False Positive Ratio - which to common user is probably more significant. Chrome warnings are great examples, per your point, users used to download executable files, will be use to bypass the warning. This is true for behaviour based protection in general imo, see putty and other (legitimate) Apps/RATs warnings.

@ardeof

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't putty infected recently? Something along those lines.

@MI-wc6nk

Жыл бұрын

@@ardeof Very true, ya..

@pikenote

Жыл бұрын

@@ardeof I thought it was only a modified infected version of putty that was being distributed around, but not an official version.

@ardeof

Жыл бұрын

@@pikenote Ah yeah now that i'm looking at it, it's a "trojanized version of putty" not the putty source itself that was affected.

@MI-wc6nk

Жыл бұрын

@@ardeof that's ok, the point still stands, just with SolarWinds instead of putty. To be fair, i don't expect a browser to be a 'security control', but if we're testing it as one, we might as well enumerate its practical impact (which message/warning fatigue is a big part of when not blocking).

I'm just wondering where any actual antivirus protection is sitting in this. Are malware scans being run on the downloaded exes?

@xE92vD

Жыл бұрын

No, the scans seem to be fast so it's probably just hash comparing. They're probably comparing the downloaded exe's hashes against a malware database containing hash tables.

Is it any use to run this test for Brave Browser or is it to close to Chrome to just assume they get the same outcome?

I’m not surprised that edge did very well as it uses defender which is a fair antivirus as it is.

Is Edge actually performing better, or just outright holding ALL .exe files for review? (For the reason that the extension is .exe)

@chiyolate

Жыл бұрын

Based on my experience, edge strictly warns user for unpopular .exe.

@kunka592

Жыл бұрын

Probably any .exe that isn't popular has that warning, which is counted as a detection in this test. Considering Chrome was also doing this and had a lower detection%, I'd say Edge is safer for this purpose.

very nice and helpfull video good job mates. got my like

What's the wallpaper? Can you share the link please? 😊 Keep doing greatness!

I was using Edge because it has so many useful features and helps using Microsoft products. After this video, also because it seems safer!

@khymaaren

Жыл бұрын

I use streaming services, mainly Netflix, on PC. Edge is the only one that allows streaming at higher than 720p resolution.

@khymaaren

Жыл бұрын

@@Kepitano You can set Netflix to 4K too. Will it be actually 4K, though? Netflix only allows higher-quality playback on Safari and Edge since it can make use of hardware-level DRM on these browsers. Chrome uses software DRM which Netflix views as a risk. There is an add-on for Chrome that let's you watch Netflix at 1080p, but not higher. And I don't use Safari. So I stream in Edge. It takes a single Google search to find this out yourself. "lol"

@HeavenlyWarrior

Жыл бұрын

You do realize that Microsoft tracks everything you do on Edge, don't you? Edge is not secure at all, even less is Chrome because they do the same.

@8xus_

Жыл бұрын

@@HeavenlyWarrior microsoft are smart, they know that if they did that, their reputation wouldnt even exist anymore He lies, case closed

@HeavenlyWarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@8xus_ If they did that? It's not if, they do that. lol

is there any way that you can automate to keep the download when edge and chrome asks you? that would be a spot on percentage of detection. Good job on the video!!!

@RealShadowfiend180x

Жыл бұрын

Theres settings you can tweak

Hey there, amazing testing. Could you also do Brave? Thanks!

for your info the latest Microsoft edge browser is based on Google's open source browser project named "Chromium". On which Google Chrome was build. So none or less both are similar.

You should really test ublock origin vs adguard vs brave adblocker with this test

Personally, as a Firefox user, I've seen less false positives from it as opposed to Chrome (in both browsers some bad files ocassionaly do slip through the cracks)

Hi, I really love your videos Can you please make a video on Advance SystemCare Ultimate antivirus?

would it be more secure to run a browser in a container to limit any potential damage? or would that remove the AV protection you would otherwise have on your machine?

Even though Firefox comes out as the worst in this test, I keep using it. I've been using it for over 20 years and I'm good. I tried Chrome once but that browser kept deleting my shortcuts and resetting to it's original state (as if it was freshly installed) every 2 weeks and even cleared my homepage and such settings. Uninstalled it after it did that twice and never looked back. Haven't tested Edge as I'm still using Windows 7 on the same machine for over 12 years now and it still does the job just fine. BTW, can you install an adblocker on Chrome, since Google is trying to disable all adblockers on all browsers and Chrome is developed by them? I guess not, so watching youtube on chrome would be a pain I guess (not sure because it doesn't work properly on my system as described above).

@rawbmar1166

Жыл бұрын

You just sound like a boomer who doesn't understand technology. Yes, you can use adblocker on chrome and I've never had any of my chrome settings reset in the last 10+ years I've used it so that sounds like a you problem not a chrome problem.

Looks like Firefox improved since the last test, where it scored something like 75%?

just curious, but can the script see the actual text of the warning from the browser. If so then one could automate the partial block and full block by searching the warrning string for the word "unsafe" if it finds that word in the string, it will be able to mark it as a full block, otherwise its a partial block. also agree with the below comment, should throw some legit ones in, maybe even a few from microsoft like the media cretion tool for Windows 10, or some of the .net runtimes.

It could be interesting if you could separate the unknown files warning for more clear result

Edge (at least by default) doesn't allow users to download any types of files without the user's input/approval, was this taken into consideration?

@mudmug1

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I would like to know the false positive rates

@VSR007

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't tho, did you test it. I tested it just now and it doesn't warn for legitimate exes

I switched from chrome to Edge nearly 2 years ago and I haven't gotten a single complaint compared to chrome (also tried firefox but didn't feel right). Overall solid browser with decent ui customisation and significantly lower ram use than other browsers (altho I've heard opera gx is quite solid too). Great video!

@yuri-nt3np

Жыл бұрын

Opera gx Is great but the clean UI in edge is timeless, after you get used to opera gx initially great features you start to feel... Weird using it, you start to notice all the details and how super hyper gamer it looks... I don't know how to explain

We need more on this subject, soo cool. We are seeing file explorer hijacks when browsing and clutter in the netstat. Both are cured by cleaning content. So many nice debugging tools out there. Can you dive into webrtc and RPC also please 🥺

Nice! I would like to see Opera as well though

Doesn't edge basically block any exe telling you it could harm your computer? You can't count that as protection it's just soft blocking everything

@VSR007

Жыл бұрын

did you ever use it or just making the claim from thin air, it doesn't block every exe only suspicious ones. I literally checked it rn by downloading 10 different authentic exe files.

Results at 6:35 (higher better) - Edge 100% - Chrome 95.67% - Firefox 93%

@cgme9535

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@nivo6379

Жыл бұрын

@@cgme9535 You're welcome!