For information about break-in oil for flat tappet cams, check out this video: Is It Just High Zinc (ZDDP), Or Is There More To It? kzread.info/dash/bejne/aqt5lrNmdai6ibQ.html For information about oil for flat tappet cams after break-in, check out this video: Is The NEW Valvoline VR1 A Good Oil? A Certified Lubrication Specialist Reveals The Results! kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWhs0Nugm5TTnMY.html Here's the link to the full video from Lubrizol. It's one of my favorites, and Doug Jayne from Lubrizol (in the video) is one of my mentors from the Joe Gibbs oil program. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWF91Md9j6qfZJc.htmlsi=LF6vRW8d5QOEEGa2

@twinscrolled

16 күн бұрын

Can you please do a video on how to choose the best performance oil for direct injected and turbocharged 6-8 cylinder engines.

@stevefortune4315

16 күн бұрын

I have heard of good products that swell old seals and work well. If a guy knows the problem and uses the appropriate product im all for that. I don't support throwing in a product when there is no problem.

@BansheeZR1

14 күн бұрын

Great video. Does the same kind of thinking also apply to MoS2 (Molybdenum disulfide) which claim to reduce both friction and wear? Is more actually better and what if it is combined with a higher level of ZDDP? This might be an idea for a future video.

@321CatboxWA

14 күн бұрын

You have total disregard as to why zink is important . Camshaft and lifter wear not piston , ring and cylinder wear.

@themotoroilgeek

14 күн бұрын

@@BansheeZR1 ZDDP and MoDTC (Molybdenum) have great synergy. Equal parts have been proven to be very effective. I show that in the video on the 0W-8 in my daughter's Toyota.

Why do I find this channel to be fascinating? I am not a racer. I don't fix cars, I don't build engines. But I love learning this stuff.

@patrickm.8425

17 күн бұрын

Well then, you are better equipped for caring for your automobiles then! 👍

@CHEECHMUN

17 күн бұрын

At least you are learning new things and not watching baseball & hockey!! My friend knows hardly anything, because he only watches sport every night.

@Just1Spark

17 күн бұрын

Learn new things while its still legal to do so.

@LTVoyager

17 күн бұрын

Learning is its own reward.

@Trump1776

16 күн бұрын

Cos you are ignorant!

When you think you know a lot it's only because you have no idea what you don't know yet. Subbed.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Always learning...

@seatime674

16 күн бұрын

That's why I like coming here because everybody knows everything which makes it easy..

@aaronschocke2147

15 күн бұрын

The very best feeling in the world is realizing just how much you don't know, followed by a revalation to a vast understanding of WHAT you don't know! It's like getting a rubric on what to learn next!

@coltonkruse2313

14 күн бұрын

Wow are you guys doing okay? People on the internet who admit to not knowing everything?? This might be a first for me. Well done y'all are good people in my book.

@CPthetooladdict

14 күн бұрын

Jimmy this is why experience and knowledge always trumps subscriber count and popularity contest lo.

This channel you’ve created is sorely overdue. The overwhelming vast majority of lubrication videos & websites are based on opinions and anecdotal evidence. Hard data on the science of lubricants is a welcome addition. Unlike ZDDP, too much information will never be a problem so bring it on!

@thomas316

15 күн бұрын

That Australian guy who rubs the Lubrication Explained channel is good as well although he also discusses some industrial stuff.

@cyclesaviorn2700

15 күн бұрын

The zzp additive isnt for the rings and cylinder bores, its for the cam lobes and flat tappet lifters

@BobVan

8 күн бұрын

@@cyclesaviorn2700I thought the same thing but if it wears out other parts excessively that might be important to know. Cam lifter swap is easier to do than completely remachining cylinders.

@cyclesaviorn2700

8 күн бұрын

@@BobVan amen to that

I think my brain has to stay on Project Farm level most of the time….

@KimiWallrus

17 күн бұрын

I talked to a guy who thought Richard Holdner, The Project Farm guy and Lake were all the same dude.😊 I see the premise because we live in a world with not enough data and all work directly from thereof. Sadly it isn't sexy enough to get the exposure that's deserved.

@eflanagan1921

16 күн бұрын

@@KimiWallrus they're separate ?

@jayunitcooper

13 күн бұрын

@@KimiWallrus ummm project farms name is Todd Osgood? Google it

@outwiththem

11 күн бұрын

@@eflanagan1921 TWINS. SEPARATED AT BIRTH. SMART MEN..

@brianmatthews9697

10 күн бұрын

I'm with you, this guy is too smart for me. Matter of fact both of them are.

paint scraping metaphor is SPOT ON. thank you

@themotoroilgeek

14 күн бұрын

Glad you think so!

Man, I cannot wrap my head around the disconnect between friction and wear... Subscribed! Must learn more!

@TonicofSonic

17 күн бұрын

As most industry, much of this is political. He formulates oil, so he must play by the rules book laid out by the oil cartel. Take it all with a grain of salt and try to be aware of what makes people rich vs what saves you money.

@bu5hm4nn

17 күн бұрын

Wear means it protects the original metal surface. Friction because the new Zink surface is more sticky than the original metal surface.

@cuzz63

17 күн бұрын

Think about this....car is doing a burnout...this means there isnt enough friction for tires to grip and the tires are wearing as they spin. Now the tires get a grip because there is more friction and they dont spin so less tire wear.

@rhkips

17 күн бұрын

@@TonicofSonic LOL

@chillznax

17 күн бұрын

I think heat is the one variable not being discussed. Heat not just from friction but also combustion. As for friction versus wear, Imagine a stick of butter in each hand. Rub them together, they’ll start to deform easily. Very low friction but the material (butter) doesn’t take much to deform. Different metals are going to deform at different rates especially at different temps. Cold butter deforms much slower than table top butter where almost no friction will still deform room temp butter. Maybe aluminum against aluminum deforms super easy with very little friction. Also makes me think of surface hardness. Trying to scratch a diamond vs some other material. Seems counterintuitive that Diamond can withstand the scratch yet it’s still brittle. So in that instance friction against the Diamond is super high yet doesn’t deform it yet it’s still brittle.

14:06 that piston ring test and the wear chart is awesome! What a high tech test, it's amazing what we are capable of with modern tech.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

That's just scratching the surface of what the folks at SwRI can do...

@Doctorevil666

10 күн бұрын

What about boron as a additive I'd be into that

What I've learned from this confirms my own experience that the best way to look after an engine is simply buy top grade oil and change it regularly. Oh, and don't thrash it when it's cold but that should be obvious. Trying to concoct your own blend by assuming certain additives will help is a waste of time at best and detrimental at worst. I learned this from adding a molydenum additive to a gearbox and finding out that it messed with the syncromesh.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on!

@starseeddeluxe

11 күн бұрын

If you're dealing with motorcycles, you can CLEARLY observe major differences between different oils. Not "opinion." But you can actually HEAR, AND FEEL the difference. You will observe notchy, difficulty shifting, where the clutch won't disengage properly, if you're using a bad oil. This is hard to ignore, because you won't be able to put the bike in neutral without a lot of finessing. You'll also immediately hear loud ticking when the engine oil gets hot. Switching to a better quality oil, you notice the gear box shifts very easily, and the camshaft lifter noise completely vanishes. I also noticed an undeniable increase in high RPM horsepower, between 3 types of oil. Read about Motul 7100 oil. Don't buy it, but go read about it, and you'll see that every person reports the same dramatic changes that occur. When using Amsoil motorcycle oil, I noticed that when the engine got hot, it would tick loudly. With Mobil-1 4T oil, I noticed that it had hard notchy shifting, and the engine had a lot of pumping losses and struggled at high RPM. On a car, it's probably a lot more difficult to notice improvements between brands of oil.

@n.mcneil4066

3 күн бұрын

@@starseeddeluxe Motorcycle oil have less friction reducing additives for bikes in which the motor oil is shared with the engine, transmission & clutch. These additives can cause the clutch to slip.

The move from API SN to SP has also helped greatly. The reduction of calcium but ZDDP staying at 800 has seen improved cam wear characteristics. I don’t know where some old timers get the idea zinc was removed in the 90s but it never left. It was just reverted to the early 60s level

@hmdwn

16 күн бұрын

then why were new flat tappet lifter cams failing in the mid 90's? It happened to me foe my BBC Jet Boat engine. I even removed the inner valve spring for break-in and the cam lobe went flat within a few minutes.

@Gleone58

16 күн бұрын

@@hmdwn60s and 70s oil was the very first detergent oils and not much detergent was used. Late 70s-80s seen an increase in ZDDP up to about the 1600ppm limit area but with it followed increases in calcium and other dispersants which do act against ZDDP. In the mid 90s ZDDP was “reduced” not removed to about the 600-800 limits with a casual middle ground of 700 in the middle 2000s but now Xw40 grades have an upper of 1200 in diesels but heavy SN levels of calcium. But with the drop in the 90s to 600ish WITHOUT the reduction of detergent caused some havoc. Many resorting to break in oils for full time use or blending their own oil using a non detergent with a ZDDP pack which is not recommended. 800ppm after break in with the new non-calcium based detergents is perfectly fine to use on flat tappets in my opinion. Now race engines with steep cam ramp and immense spring pressures nothing will help that. Many don’t understand that with higher spring pressures even roller needle bearings fail in roller applications and must be changed often. It’s not a put one in you’re done deal.

@Gleone58

16 күн бұрын

@@hmdwn reduction in ZDDP but no reduction in calcium would do that

@Gleone58

16 күн бұрын

@@hmdwn also possible mismatch of taper on the lobe to lifter, failure to rotate is an instant killer.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Yes! You are spot on. The reduction in Calcium has made a big and positive difference!

The people who care about zinc aren't doing it for piston wear 😅...... They want the zddp for flat tappet camshaft lobes 👌

@user-py8lx9eq5b

17 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure Lake Speed Jr., the guy who created Joe Gibbs Driven Racing oil, is aware of that bud. It's also in the thumbnail

@kowpow2259

17 күн бұрын

He talks about the flat tappet needs early in the video.

@ktkace

17 күн бұрын

Bingo.

@ktkace

17 күн бұрын

@@kowpow2259 where? only camshaft is mentioned, could be roller... m1 racing 0W50 @ 1650PPM of zddp isnt joking. 1200PPM is weaksauce but workable , you want robust , you go above to 1650PPM but not to 3600PPM. ZDDP above 1800ppm seems to cause corrosive wear for ALL engines. ZDDP below 1200PPM doesnt provide enuff protection for flat tappet systems...

@patrickm.8425

17 күн бұрын

It's all friction and wear, and he talks plenty about flat tappets in this video! I'm thinking you didn't even watch it! smh

Yes please. More science about metallurgy and chemistry. I love your explanations about how this stuff works. You have the skill of explaining complicated concepts without jargon.

@themotoroilgeek

17 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Man i appreciate you shedding light on many aspects of motor oils that an average Joe dont know.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

I definitely would like a video digging into metallurgy and surface roughness and motor oil. I’ve been building engines forever with Total Seal C-33 stainless rings and final hone with 280 grit stone and it’s always worked great; but have would love some hard data

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Check out the Total Seal channel for some deep dives on surface roughness.

I'm glad I saw this video. I was shopping around for ZDDP additives. Now I guess I can save money and save my engine.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on!

I would LOVE to see a video (or more) contrasting friction, wear and metallurgy!!! I'm no racer, just a guy who wants to build a bit more power into my engine while making it as reliable and durable as possible.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Noted

We definitely need more info on how oil works in a new race engine vs. a worn race engine with polished cylinders and typical wear found just before rebuild vs. oil in the 265,000 mile V-8 engine pulling the rig.

ABSOLUTELY LOVE this channel.. deep science..solid info. I love your quote.. "i love the science of oil... i hate the marketing of oil" thx for being SOO honest. Also Thx lake for ACTUALLY responding and reciprocate communications.

@themotoroilgeek

14 күн бұрын

Just wait for the next one...

@hotrodswoodshed7405

14 күн бұрын

@@themotoroilgeek concerning protecting gearboxes... i.e. 9inch... or a old school strait transmission, what's your feeling about additives like lucas stabilizer or stp.??? A video maybe?

@themotoroilgeek

14 күн бұрын

@@hotrodswoodshed7405the next video will touch on that!

Love your videos. Don't be afraid to get too scientific. Even if people don't get it right away, it'll sink in eventually. That's how you learn.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thank you!

Glad you made this video Lake. I hope it helps folks avoid mistakes with playing chemist with their oil and additives.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks! More to come!

This is The best kind of YT educational videos. Total applause!!!

This channel is like "Project Farm" if he actually had an education. No harm to him, as he tests things relentlessly. But he only shows results. YOU show WHY something happened. Sharing this channel to all my car geek friends! Great job!

@themotoroilgeek

14 күн бұрын

Thank you!

I definitely want see an in depth video on the metallurgy and how the oil interacts with it!

Outstanding information. I'm an old fart and have an enormous amount of experience with over the counter oils in various cars. But I learned more in this video than 60 years olf actual experience. Now to apply this information...

Excellent video. I would summarize this as: Follow manufacturer's guidelines for oil formulation and change frequency unless you have used oil analyses suggesting otherwise. You cannot predict what different oil chemistries will do in your engine. The only way to know is to to send used oil samples to qualified labs and make changes based on those results. If you hear people telling you to use particular formulations, brands, or additives without seeing your oil sample results, ignore them. Customizing your oil formulation could easily destroy your engine in a short period of time. Do not fall for marketing tricks, including dyeing the oil to meet a brand identity. Color has *nothing* to do with performance and its an insult to your intelligence for marketing departments to suggest otherwise.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on! Thanks for the excellent summary!

@TassieLorenzo

15 күн бұрын

"Do not fall for marketing tricks, including dyeing the oil to meet a brand identity" Sure, but don't VW demand the dye in VW 508 specification oils just so 508-spec oil can be identified compared to other oils? [It would be nice if coolant colours were in any way standardised to help identify one type of coolant from another, as opposed to essentially arbitrary, but that's a whole 'nother topic!]

@monte99cm

7 күн бұрын

​@@themotoroilgeek but wait, in other videos you've stated not to follow manufacturers guidelines. That oil changes should occur more often. Even doing a break in oil change prior the manufacturers recommendation. Let's be honest the manufacturers have one goal in mind and that's to sell new cars. 10k mile oil changes are in no way good for an engine but they are good to give the illusion of low cost of ownership of a new car while simultaneously causing reliability of a used car to decrease. Just want to confirm do you recommend what the manufacturers recommend or something else?

@themotoroilgeek

7 күн бұрын

@@monte99cm It just seems like a contradiction, but look at the last part of his summary - "unless you have oil analysis data that says otherwise". When I said don't follow the OEM guidelines on the first oil change, I backed that up with used oil analysis data that said otherwise. When it comes to the viscosity and spec of the oil, start with the OEM recommendation, and then adjust based on data.

Great video. I used to be a mechanic and I tried to explain how after market oil additive products are a gimmick. Like (power up) and (mao) Your video would make some people understand i think. I have a 5.3 gm with 530,000 km on it. Early oil changes is the key.

@CrimeVid

16 күн бұрын

I put an oil additive in my old van because it dripped a lot, it stopped it, the thing was still running fine ten years later, after several oil changes with the same additive, van pox got her in the end.

@stevefortune4315

14 күн бұрын

If you are treating a problem with a additive made to treat that problem i have no problem. When shops sell a customer a product claiming they need it just because... I don't agree with. Thats snake oil sales. There are no bad oils off the shelf anymore. Anyone can check products outvon there phone and see if a product is bad and the bad won't be forsale long.

@paulcondie2520

12 күн бұрын

I'm a true believer that getting all the break in metal out of engine and transmission is key to a long life, even diffs and transfer cases! And yes I still do 3000-3500 mile oil changes with full synthetic!!! Oil is cheap compared to failures, down time, money and inconvenience!!! I daily to work a 1993 Ford ranger with 508,000+ miles and still rocking the original engine transmission and rear end! 2.3l 5sp 2wd

Thanks for answering that question! I like knowing why something works or doesn't work more than "just do it" approach.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on!

Thank you for making this video when I asked about it way back! Appreciate you testing these additives!

I would love to see a video on metallurgy vs. oil type! I love the nitty gritty stuff!

@themotoroilgeek

17 күн бұрын

Great suggestion!

@scottr4086

14 күн бұрын

This is an excellent suggestion and would love to see this too

i sure am glad you did this episode. saved me from future failure.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Really appreciate the information. An even deeper dive would be super interesting

Very good content Lake and you used my photos of the parts that were damaged by corrosive wear. Thanks for all of the information.

Thanks for all of your great information. I much appreciate it!

Another great and informative video Lake, its easy to get lost in the science and even easier to want a simple answer. Thanks for the education & we look forward to having you back on our show.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks guys!

Thank you Lake. Love and prayers from Australia to you and your Family.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks mate!

And I thank you for this video and for all the info ! Keep it going !

I always add one quart of RISLONE Oil Additive to my Oil & Filter Changes for all vehicles I own. Never Any Mechanical Engine Problems & I always keep my vehicles up to 300,000 miles. I believe oil Additives Work.

I also find this channel fascinating. In my past I have raced cars, fixed cars, built engines. Now I just want my new (to me) truck to last the longest. I have an oil change coming up, soooo... I also am still a car guy, have some project cars, but have been out of the "scene" for a few years. Knowledge is power. As he said about the marketing about oil...be careful with your selection of oils.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Yeah I would love a video on friction and wear

Dude I am so glad that you share all this knowledge with everyone, I love to learn new things! Thanks LakeSpeedJr

Yes please. Advanced episodes would be great. Thanks for educating us!

As a machinist, I would be very interested in that video about the surface finishes, metallurgy and how motor oil works with those variables.

@themotoroilgeek

12 күн бұрын

Noted!

Fascinating. Raises more questions than it answers, - that's not a complaint. Excellent program.🙂🙂

@themotoroilgeek

14 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Wow, very enlightening, thanks for making this video!

Great info!!! Glad to have an answer to my question

EXTREMELY informative video, Lake! Thank you so very much for sharing your expertise with us. Being a hot rodder-mechanic and engine builder for 50+ years I thought I knew a lot. But this knew technology and info on oils is amazing! Keep up the good work Lake, this stuff is fascinating!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

I’ve come to really enjoy the information you present concerning the science involved in oil use in engines. Thank you. One thing would be very useful to me and probably others, too, is I need more back ground on what exactly I’m seeing in those terrific graphs and 3D diagrams you’re presenting. Maybe more arrows pointing at what’s being discussed? The information is coming fast and furious and I often just don’t have enough background knowledge to keep up with what is being said and presented. But trust me, I’m going to just keep watching and trying to understand a little more deeply. Just love this stuff!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Noted!

Absolutely loved this episode, love the science you show behind all the marketing , I’m learning so much . Thankyou .

I have just subscribed to your channel, its the first time I have found sensible analysis on lubricity subjectivity. For one would be most interested on the notion of how metalurgy affects the requirements of oil formulation. I spent my early years engrossed in classic motorcycle engines, then progressed into tuning "modern" Japanese motorcycle engines, with considerable sucess, which several of your videos have confirmed as to why my choices had the right outcomes . . . now, grtting back into things for personal interest, as i approach retirement age, I would massively appreciate an explanation of what to look for in modern oils, applied to classic engines. Keep up the good work, your analysis is awesome!

Lake, an excellent video as usual. I love how technical it is.

@themotoroilgeek

17 күн бұрын

Thank you! I indulged myself on this one, LOL.

Next let’s find out if more moly and boron help or not and at what combinations.

@drivewayhero

17 күн бұрын

It's reasonable to assume that this research has been done already and today's oil is formulated accordingly and only gets better as tech improves. The bottle you buy at walmart represents the best of today's tech

@averyalexander2303

17 күн бұрын

@@drivewayhero The research has definitely been done, but it would be incredibly naive to assume that oils are formulated to make our engines last as long as possible before all else. When formulating oils, wear protection is only one consideration. Fuel efficiency, emissions, cost, cleanliness, compatibility, etc have to be considered too.

@drivewayhero

16 күн бұрын

@@averyalexander2303 if you change your oil every 3k with a high-end synthtic oil from a reputable brand such as pennzoil, castrol, mobil1, valvoline, your engine will do just fine without worrying about the precise part per million of boron

@nerd1000ify

16 күн бұрын

​@@averyalexander2303corrosion protection is also critical, in particular wear of the rings and the cylinder wall at the top of the liner is partly a chemical corrosion process. Partial oxidation of fuel in the crevice volume creates acids that eat away the metal in that area. One other perk of ZDDP is that it's kinda ok as an anti corrosion additive. The corrosion problem is likely to be worse with ethanol fuel (partial oxidation of ethanol makes acetic acid, I.e. vinegar. It also makes acetaldehyde, which you may be able to smell as a slightly sweet chemical odour in the exhaust of a vehicle running on e85 until the cat warms up). It was even worse back in the days of leaded fuel, as they had to deliberately add acid-forming chemicals such as bromoethane to the fuel in order to keep the lead cleaned off the combustion chamber walls.

@averyalexander2303

16 күн бұрын

@@nerd1000ify Great points, you are totally right! From my understanding, corrosive wear from moisture/acids condensing on the cylinder walls is one of the main reasons why wear is so much higher when the engine is cold than once it's fully warmed up. Most people seem to think that wear is purely a mechanical process and high wear rates on cold engines are just caused by dry starts and cold oil being too thick to flow well, but there's a lot more to it than that.

This guy's a total GEEK!!!! 😊 Very good videos, cheers

Lake .. thanks for the very informative videos. It really makes sense how u explain with graphs, pictures etc. One thing, keep the info up long while u talk helps makes it easier to follow along. I know what u look like, but the info is new and too quick make it hard to process. Thanks million

Can you make a video about Valvoline’s restore and protect oil? Intrigued by its claims!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Coming soon!

@JonathanGS

16 күн бұрын

@@themotoroilgeek awesome!! Thank you! Can’t wait!

Thank you for another phenomenal video!!!! And the answer is yes I would love to see you make a video about anything you think would be interesting.

@themotoroilgeek

17 күн бұрын

You got it!

I'm always up for a deeper dive

@ Motor Oil Geek, I recall seeing You on Daves Auto Center, and I was impressed with what You had to present there... The main topic of the conversation was centering on lubrication and the use of the Total Seal gapless piston rings that are located on the intermediate position between the top compression ring and the oil control ring.... Very interesting program!!!

Too bad this level of research effort and testing hasn’t and isn’t being applied to body and chassis.

@patrickm.8425

17 күн бұрын

Too bad this level of research effort and testing hasn’t and isn’t being applied to the human body, and the crap food they make available to us!!

@TurboDog73TX

17 күн бұрын

It is. But the people doing it aren't sharing it for free.. Most of them at least. There are some knowledge droppers here on YT, you've got to seek them out, and then use some judicious discernment when You watch.

@snek9353

17 күн бұрын

@@patrickm.8425 Truth, the more you know the more when in a grocery store all you see is drugs and poison.

Great stuff Lake, we need more of it! 😄

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Very interesting stuff, Lake! I had some success fortifying an oil with the Redline Additive in my Cummins 5.9. I used to have it in commercial service and had used oil analyses done at every oil change. I had been using Rotella T6 for many years and noticed the Phosphorous content had been decreased in the change from CJ4 to CK4 and saw an increase in Iron wear rate of about 37% when the Phos decreased from 1150 to 950 ppm. I added enough Redline to get the Phos up to 1200 ppm, and the wear rate came down to what it was on the CJ4 formulation.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, great video.

Best engine lubrication info on the internet.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks! I'm trying!

@ronkuzyk3836

16 күн бұрын

Absolutely true

It's all about the data! I feel like I just went back in time sitting through an engineering school lecture - great stuff. Would be great to see a deep dive into Moly and how it works in the mix. Now that I have done my first oil analysis for my 2 vehicles (thanks you SpeedDiagnostix) I'm much more interested in the formulations of different options and exactly whats in the oil I've been using. We'll see how the wear metals analysis goes over time with my 2 very different "environments"... 25K mile 3.6 NA pentastar and 100k mile LQ4.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on! The impact of Moly will be a future video!

This subscription was a no brainer for me😂 Glad to be onboard, fellas😏

Thank you for what you do and help educate all of us!!!! 👍👍

Perfect I have a VW BUG and everyone is saying that you should go with high ZDP for cam wear. They don’t mention any other components of the oil/engine. Thanks for the education

@andrewlewis4253

17 күн бұрын

I run my PD engines on 505.00. They spec 505.01 which has more zinc but I've seen enough worn camshafts to not use .01. Now I know why. The point loading on the cam bearings is pretty high due to the unit injectors putting large amounts of force on them. I've seen failed bearings using .01 spec oil. I've also seen accelerated wear on cam lobes both valve and injector using .01 spec oil. Toss that stuff in the trash and use 505.00.

@I_feel_just_like_a_rockstar

17 күн бұрын

@@andrewlewis4253 505.01 oils do not contain more zinc. There are 505.01 oils with only 800-900ppm. As I understand it, this was to ensure compatibility with the insulation on the injector wires. There are finger followers with roller for PD... little friction.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Stay tuned for more!

@tonydoggett7627

13 күн бұрын

Don’t forget a flat 4 vw air cooled engine cam lobe does twice the work of a conventional engine!

If ZDDP is attracted to ferrous iron, then does that cause a problem with all the ALUMINUM parts needing lubrication in newer engines? I understand the RINGS are probably steel, but what about all the other non-ferrous iron parts?

@logroller3122

17 күн бұрын

Yes - I think that is a good question about non-ferrous parts. Interested in how Aluminum behaves and what it might mean in modern engines.

Dig in deeper this is fascinating!

Yes, please make that video I'd like to learn more.

Is there really a difference between diesel oil and gasoline oil? Do the additives change? Do they use entirely different additives? I know plenty of guys that use "diesel" motor oil in their gas truck. Usually a 0w40 or 5w40 Rotella T6 (I think). Good idea? Bad idea? Snake oil?

This is exactly why I do NOT alter my engine oil in any way, shape or form and I do NOT pour in any kind of aftermarket oil supplements like Lucas, Liqui-Moly Ceratec and so on. Too much of one thing isn't always a good thing. Again like you said, marketing has a huge thing to do with oil and so on but is it really doing what it says on the package/label. We typically call these types of products (Snake oils). This is also why I refrain from whatever oil is on-sale or cheap and ONLY buy and use boutique/enthusiast based lubrication products in my vehicles (AMSOIL).

@kornelobajdin5889

6 күн бұрын

True my dad sad "pour in doctor car it will reduce oil consumption" Im like yeah if Ive wanted to tear up the engine in next 5k km I would add it. Otherwise no, id rather add more oil and continue driving. Car runs good, it has 276k km (180k miles) so oil consumption is expected. Recently I changed the oil to a liqui moly gt1 full synthetic. Have yet to see the consumption at 1000km. I have travelled 200 so far, and barely seen a difference on a dipstick. But Im pretty sure not every oil is the same. Better try different oil to find the best fit for your car.

@scottgalbreath5707

6 күн бұрын

@kornelobajdin5889 Yes I agree and also have your oil tested and analyzed by an ASTM/ISO Certified Lab

@kornelobajdin5889

6 күн бұрын

@@scottgalbreath5707 Honestly I don't have access to such testings 😅 Id rather go with trying out on my car and follow results. I may try another brand next oil change. Who knows.

Great video! There is so much misinformation about oil and I also hate trusting oil manufacturers. I love your science based approach!

Low wear and low friction often go together... but not always. That was a clear explanation of how wear and friction do not always go together. A lot of pressure additives cause corrosion... even if they pass the Falex pressure test. Unless you do an oil analysis it's really hard to figure out which oil, what lubricant or which additive works. The one that gives you the least wear while creating the least friction is ideal. :-)

I find it ironic, I see people complaining about oil consumption on new motors, they usually say they didn't do anything special to break it in and drove it like they stole it, then there are those that say they are running an oil that doesn't meet the specs called out by the motor manufacturer, and so far no issues as far as they see. I break in an engine based on the manufacturers specs and a few old school methods that have worked since forever, here I am thinking constant throttle variation during the first 500+ miles and slowly increasing heat and cooling cycles to relieve manufacturing stresses in the metals more slowly over time instead of all at once. My motors get exactly what the manufacturer suggests for oil and break-in routine and I have yet to lose oil in one of my engines, and my oil analysis looks great. It's funny how that works!

@chuckrosekowieski981

22 сағат бұрын

I believe your story. I have had two "slapper engines". A 3.1 v6 and a 3.5 L HO Chrysler Product. The Chevy went 204,000 miles before being traded in good condition. The 09 Charger is running hot at 180,000. I'm going to trade it before it rusts, because I think the engine is still kicking ass. I just wanted to say that they designed some engines to be so loose that you can actually hear the piston slap. They got better mileage and the engines didn't seem to be lacking. My Charger is a Mercedes with a different doors and a hump glued to the back fenders. The steering wheel and the transfer case are Chrysler. I got a full assurance from Mercedes that the engine would burn at least a quart of oil between changes and that it would stay the same the life of the car. They were right. Against my instincts, I have to tell you that oil loss is not necessarily an engine problem. Oh, yeah, I like to buy a new car with no test miles. The break in is usually done by a lunatic if it has been test driven 10 times. Old school is best during break in. No surges, but definite pressure ranges and temperatures. Don't drive like you stole it, don't drive like an old lady.

@chuckrosekowieski981

22 сағат бұрын

Also, on oil analysis tests like at Blackstone. If you give them more info on your oil slips, they can give you more wear advice. You can call them too. My only recommendation is to not necessarily go for the maximum amount of miles per change. Of course I don't do 3,000 miles. I tow sometimes. I change around tows and then usually use the oil life counter for regular miles. At about 40% remaining life, I change. The computer automatically tells you to change earlier if you have been a bad driver. Oil analysis is the only way to know when your oil might be compromised. Plus you get to know your engine better. What's not to like there? I even do analysis on my tranny juice. I have an 8 speed in my Ram, so I'm new to these gearboxes that don't have a dipstick.. I guess if a dipstick is driving; I'm OK.

Lake, I just use a quality oil in my vehicles using the spec listed in my Owners Manual. Fifty years later, I never had an oil related issue in cars, motorcycles or aircraft.

@danfecke

17 күн бұрын

Define quality oil please

@a.c.e.7568

17 күн бұрын

@@danfecke Mobil, Castrol, Valvoline...major brand oils. I happen to use only Mobil since 1999.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

That's the right way to do it.

@chuckrosekowieski981

22 сағат бұрын

There used to be a real difference between oils of Mineral origin. California crude vs Pennsylvania crude. California crude, say Trop-Artic is more napthenic. It penetrates better, swelled gaskets better and was naturally detergent. Maybe. Penzoil or something like it was paraffinic. Better lubricity and good ole pounds per square inch. Now, lubrication oil is from wherever and luckily we have standards. Brand choice is less important.

@themotoroilgeek

22 сағат бұрын

@@chuckrosekowieski981 Spot on!!

Watching right now!!!

GREAT INFO Mr Speed!!! Always wondered if there was to much Zinc level. I know from Dad's years with Valvoline Zinc was a good thing.....never knew to much was so bad. THANKS!

Thank you, Lake! You content is always top notch!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you for this video. Everyone says add zinc (im driving a 1969 chevelle with a flat tappet cam), but i always wondered if too much was bad. I just figured it was like fuel additives, if you add something, you have no idea what is already in the blend, you're better off just going with a good brand premium grade.

@kennykennedy6298

17 күн бұрын

People make flat tappet cams out to be something they aren't. Any stock 350 small block with a flat tappet is not picky on oil. They very rarely every wipe lifters, due to their very low valve spring pressure. So not much force on the cam lobes. You don't have to worry so much about zink, more about changing your oil more often.

@rustedhorsepower5132

17 күн бұрын

@@kennykennedy6298 ive never given a 2nd thought to what oil to use on a flat tappet cam until i heard about zinc additives changing or even being limited due to newer roller engines not needing as much. It made me think twice as to what i was taking off the shelf vs 20 years ago

👍you have some of the best content on KZread my friend. Thanks for sharing.

@themotoroilgeek

11 күн бұрын

Wow, thanks!

Please make a video over both topics. It would be great to see.

If I understand this, an oil will work differently in one engine than it will in another because of the metallurgy. If that's correct, an oil that tests well in a Toyota engine may not in a Chevy because the rings and cylinders most likely won't be made of the same material.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Absolutely!

@Fix_It_Again_Tony

11 күн бұрын

@@themotoroilgeek How much variability in materials used in typical passenger vehicle production engines is there? All the engines must be compatible with the current API spec at the time of production. Future API specs supersede old ones, so they need to be backwards compatible. There is a limit to this backwards compatibility, but any engine made in the past 20 years or so is probably considered in the formulation of the new API specs, right? If you build a custom engine for a specific purpose forcing the choice of materials not used in typical production engines I can see material and oil compatibility being an issue. Or possibly in old engines.

@themotoroilgeek

11 күн бұрын

@@Fix_It_Again_Tony There is quite a lot of variability. While most engines are Iron liners, there are some Nikasil, Alusil and Plasma Spray bore engines on the market. The same thing goes with rings. While Molybdenum coated rings are the norm, there are PVD coated rings and pre-lapped Chrome rings. This is why some people swear by Mobil 1 (or insert any other brand) and others swear at Mobil 1. The same oil will not work the same in two engines with very different designs and metallurgies. All API rated oils will pass the API engine tests, so we are not talking pass/fail here. The question is what is optimum, and the answer is it depends.

@Fix_It_Again_Tony

11 күн бұрын

@@themotoroilgeek If we are talking run of the mill engines, like Toyota or Chevy, is there still a lot of difference? I can understand some engines use different technologies and materials, but I was specifically referring to mass market vehicles, though that might not have been clear. I'm not trying to say I'm right, I am just trying to understand the scope of different materials used in engines. Perhaps I need to wait for an episode on metallurgy.

@themotoroilgeek

11 күн бұрын

@@Fix_It_Again_TonyI see your point, and it’s very fair. The variability of a single oil’s performance across the run-of-the-mill engines is not significant, as long as you are comparing apples to apples (say inline turbo DI 4 cylinders).

Me nerding out during breakfast on a Monday morning.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on!

This is really neat, nice job, love how you analysis

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Another great lesson. Thank you

Very interesting as always, thanks for sharing! I have an idea for what I think would be a great video- a discussion of used oil analysis, its benefits and limitations, and where and why it is or isn't useful. For example, I have always read and believed that UOAs aren't necessarily a reliable way to measure wear for things like comparing brands of oils because many of the larger wear particles get caught in the filter and/or are too large to show up in the results because of the way particles are measured.

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion!

Awesome that is a education class level video for free thank you and have a great day

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Wow, crazy good information. It sounds like each engine (or at least engine type or manufacturer) needs its own custom oil!

62k subscribers! Congrats

Hi From the uk I have done work for lubrizol over here in the past a great bunch of guys all very knowledgeable. I would not recommend buying any over the counter fuel or lube additive as most haven't been tested in a proper lab running crc cec or Jaso tests. It's best to go and buy the stuff that is recommended buy the manufacturers and change twice as often as recommended in my opinion Keep up.the good work

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Right on! The Lubrizol lab in Derby is amazing!

Im confused and interested about the topic of metallurgy and how that works, a seperate video more about that would be great

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Noted

@AdullFiddler-ez7tm

8 күн бұрын

Metallurgy is a very complicated subject and would take a 10 week course just for the basics.

I love your videos much thanks for all your work and knowledge

@themotoroilgeek

11 күн бұрын

You are very welcome

Whew... I'm learning every day! Great feature!

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Do you ever test Amsoil products?

This explains something I've noticed. I use Penrite Racing series oils (1800ppm ZDDP), actually because they are advertised a 100% PAO Ester and I want to change the oil as infrequently as possible on my old Toyota (Australia is a big country with very high summer temperatures you need an oil with a high resistance to degradation apparently), but I noticed they have now extended their product range of 100% PAO Ester HPR series (1200ppm ZDDP.) Next time I buy a bottle will switch I think given the ZDDP level is likely reducing the efficiency of my car marginally. 🤔

i learned something new today thank you

Very interesting and another fantastic video. You bring a high level of credibility to the topic. Thanks also for explaining the 10w30 and lower requirements vs above. Always wondered how they were able to get away with higher levels in 0w40 and 5w40..

@themotoroilgeek

16 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Can you do a video on the best FUEL SYSTEM CLEANER and WHICH BRAND AND OCTANE is cleanest for our cars?

why do ALL these formulations cause cancer ONLY in California??

@shakerman55

17 күн бұрын

Because most Californians are quite sensitive and delicate.😁

@Cstoreri

17 күн бұрын

It’s a special place, very special!

@disbsam333

17 күн бұрын

I don't care for California in general but California has regulations requiring labeling on products that have a cancer risk. They consequently have one of the lowest cancer rates in the country. Cancer is basically 90% environmental (not mostly genetic) so this crap we use does affect our risk of cancer, especially if you used it daily with no protection.

@michaelwyrick4046

17 күн бұрын

Because they're dumb enough to drink it

@Dastardly_X

17 күн бұрын

mothers milk causes cancer In Cali

This was the best info thanks fore the good work