I'm not sure what video some of you watched but I never said it was "illegal" to draw ur prize cards out of order BUT you do look hella sus doing it

@hpalmer2068

Жыл бұрын

He 100% looked at the first prize put it back and then grabbed the other one

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksnell8875 Sorry I must have missed the part where I specifically called you out

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksnell8875 If you drew ur prize cards out of order it would still be sus...

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

@@jacksnell8875 that doesn't matter what matters is the perspective of a player watching you play for the first time and if they saw you draw ur prize cards out of order it would be sus

@solemashi

Жыл бұрын

if you cant logically number the prize cards you cant logically draw them. how do you determine what is number one? the first prize card placed down ? the first prize card going from left to right? what if your left handed? what order do you place them in ? is the prize area 2x3 or 3x2? its more sus to think there is such a thing as a logical order for prize cards.

One way to describe why you like your prizes the same way is to reduce your cognitive load. When you play this game for hours at a time and at your high level - then keeping control of things keeps you from having to think about them. And that frees up your brain, or basically your resource of decision making, to focus even a little bit more on the game.

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

That’s a very good way to put it

I don't have a set way I choose prize cards. But if the card is lifted off the table you take it. Putting it back is very suspicious. But if it never leaves the table i wouldn't see an issue

If there’s no rule for “logical order” then I think that’s okay to pick cards out of order. I usually never pick up cards in “logical order” but I make sure I pick up the card I always move

one important thing i took from this video is that is quite important to shuffle your oponents cards after an heavy ball, which a lot of people skip

He lifted the card off the table he committed.

I think what we have learnt here is azul has ocd when playing the game😂

@SynthHunter

Жыл бұрын

What made you figure that out? Is it that he tends to repeat himself numerous times when making any point.

@tiongchiongjunn2011

Жыл бұрын

I just mean he does things more ritually. If it affects him mentally, i think it could be considered ocd.

Here I am enjoying the whimsy of flipping a big plastic coin before playing my children’s game, not realizing it makes my opponent angry 😭

About starting coin flip: that’s the reason why I’m a huge supporter of a high roll instead of calling odds or evens. A 20d does charms for this.

If he realized that his prizes weren’t shuffled by the judge, what should he do? If he mentions it after a few prizes later, what would be the game ruling?

If he knew the judge didn't shuffle his prizes he should've at least shuffled them himself.

I don’t understand why some people can’t wrap their heads around the fact that taking random prizes has the potential to make you look suspicious. Like it’s already random anyway, why do anything that someone could use down the line to say that you were manipulating the game in your favor? No, there’s no rule against it, and it doesn’t mean you’re cheating, but why do anything that doesn’t improve your odds of winning but absolutely does have the potential to affect a possible judge ruling and/or hurt your standing in the community?

@BlueBartowski

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why some of you can't wrap their head around the fact that it's a psychological thing. If it's already random, then why does it matter what prize card I go to pick up and from what direction and from how far I reach for it? Azul is trying to push a narrative that's non existent because HE doesn't like when other players pick random prize cards instead of going in a certain order like HE does. And this has nothing do with what Oliver did because what Oliver did deserved a DQ. But Azul is also talking in general and that's where the disconnect is coming from. Because Azul thinks something that general looks suspicious doesn't mean that it is, but some of ya'll can't think for yourselves.

@slugger4073

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueBartowski -I never said this had anything to do with Oliver’s DQ (which is unquestionably justified), it is an extension of the discussion involving how players select prize cards, which inevitably gets brought up every time something like this happens. -I had this same opinion long before I heard it from Azul. The only thing you do by taking your prize cards in a random order each time is invite scrutiny from any onlooking players/judges. For example, if you play on stream and take exactly what you need, when you need it, you invite accusations of peeking at them, marked sleeves, etc. It’s absolutely true that it doesn’t matter from a randomness perspective, but one way opens itself up, albeit only slightly in niche situations, to the possibility of scrutiny, while the other is a repeated pattern of behavior that no one can level an accusation at. -I don’t see how Azul is “pushing a narrative”. He’s not saying that you can’t do it however you want or that you’re cheating if you do, he’s just stating a fact that some people are going to wonder why you selected the prize card you did, especially if it seems to be oddly in your favor. Taking them in a sensible order is just as random as taking them in a different order every game, but the difference is that even other people seeing you play for the first time can’t reasonably accuse you of cheating. People love to jump to conclusions and accuse others of cheating, even when there isn’t a real basis for it, so making this small adjustment insulates you from those accusations. -This part is my personal opinion, but the only thing that selecting your prizes yourself is good for is 1: When you’ve laid out your cards with Peonia, which can be an important aspect of some decks, such as Gardevoir/Mewtwo VUnion (Perfectly legitimate time to do so) or 2: when you’ve somehow stacked your prizes in your favor, such as through marked sleeves, insufficiently shuffling after Hisuian Heavy Ball (which coincidentally is featured in Oliver’s breakdown of his DQ) or some other means of judging which card you’re going to get before you take it out of your prizes, such as looking at its reflection in the glass of the prize cam on regional stream games. Does this mean every player that takes prizes randomly is cheating? Absolutely not. But the reverse is true, that every player who IS cheating through prize manipulation will be taking them in random order, because they’ve established some way to identify them. I admit this is an extremely small matter that is likely to never come up for any normal player even over the course of their entire career, but it’s still a small optimization you can make to help insulate yourself from possible misunderstandings. TL;DR - If it’s all random anyway, why take prizes in a way that can look like cheating when you can take them in a way that doesn’t?

Not discussing the actual incident because from footage looked a deserved dq. But azul suggesting there is a specific order to take them surprises me. I've always taken from bottom-upwards. But azul takes one step further and there is a left or right precedent also? Both are an easy grab on a normal board set up...

I personally always draw the prizes in a snake pattern.

I'm new to this game, and I do it the same way i learnt in PTCGL into practise IRL. It lets me choose randomly, so i chose randomly IRL as well. Of course, my playmat isn't reflective

@JeffJubilant

Жыл бұрын

There is no point to do that IRL though because your prizes are already randomized.

@BeyfighterFaris

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffJubilant that is 100% true, while I understood that PTCGL emulates IRL games and allow random pickings of prize. Perhaps, PTCGL should also not allow random picking of prize?

@JeffJubilant

Жыл бұрын

@@BeyfighterFaris The choice shouldn't be made to always be random because some cards like Peonia let you manipulate the location of prize cards. But if you haven't played such a card, there is really no point to further randomize your prize cards with a random selection.

@BeyfighterFaris

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffJubilant understood

probably saw the colress in the reflection on the table

I used to draw prize cards in a sig-zag pattern

I was so ready to type up that he's not cheating by taking cards out of "order" it literally doesn't matter but then I saw the footage 😂 nah you picked it and lifted it off the glass

What happened with Eder?

Next time i go to a local, I'll be sure to ask my opponent which prize i should take. Can't be reaponsible for a decision i didn't make.

I get nervous and make misplays / mistakes as well during games. Sometimes its just anxiety that causes carelessness. Idk if that's a factor here but yeah.

How did I know who was the cheater at the start of the video just by the way they looked?

great video! whether or not he was deliberately cheating or not, it's good to bring it to people's awareness for an effort to make it a more healthy community.

Fully understand the “clean playing” way. But, there is no rule where it says you have to take your prizes in a certain order. You just choose. Thats life.

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

Sure but then you also look sus

@Mulisha0071

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man i can definitely see why. Ive heard of marked sleeves so theres players out there trying things on. Thanks for the content azul 🤙

I know some people are joking about the prize cards and coin flip thing, but for those who aren't, it's not superstitious. It's a way of getting your brain in a certain state or keeping it there when you do certain things over and over. These things are sometimes called rituals in sports. Most basketball players, for example, will do the same ritual before they shoot a free throw. Same number of bounces each time, same number of deep breaths before lifting up to shoot. It's really common.

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

So ur saying I'm a pro basketball player?

I feel like if you're struggling to take a card from prizes, I would give up and take the other one instead. I see that he does fumble with the card to begin with, which I believe is genuine, but I do think that he also got a quick glance once he got it up and decided he wanted the other one.

I never draw prize cards in any order. They are random and so you should.pick them at random surely

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

They're already random it doesn't matter The only potential advantage of taking ur prize cards out of order is that you know what they are which is cheating so why do something that gives you 0 advantage if ur not cheating but would still make you look sus

@chriswilliams6613

Жыл бұрын

@AzulGG but why would you not just take them randomly? I have played so many games where if i had gone in order, it would have cost me the game. Yes, it's random. Yes, it probably makes no mathematical sense, but for some reason, it makes a difference. Try it.

@chriswilliams6613

Жыл бұрын

@AzulGG also love your content ❤️ 😍

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

@@chriswilliams6613 it doesn't make a difference this isn't an opinion it's just a fact so the reason to not do it is because it looks sus You will lose/win the same amount of games by hitting a card you would need of your prize cards if you draw them in order or at random so why draw them in a way that makes you look sus

@chriswilliams6613

Жыл бұрын

@AzulGG I can't explain it, and i know the maths dont add up. Im just saying when your playing your next games, try it.

But for it to be sus wouldn’t there have to be some type of order in which you have to draw cards, and since there is not. Does that make it sus, or just something people don’t like

Watching grown men cheat at a children’s card game…

@indypitman3678

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@chriswilliams6613

Жыл бұрын

This is the way

@valentinlopez-ruiz

Жыл бұрын

Watching a grown man saying “Sus”, that’s a “word” made by kids

I don't even play this game but I'll draw my prize cards in whatever order I want

@AzulGG

7 күн бұрын

That’s fine no one said you couldn’t

I lay my deck east-west so I know what you mean about getting throwed off.

I always take the middle prize to the right first

(not talking about oliver) but wait , you can draw prizes in any way you like , if u took prizes completely random why i should get banned or get a game loss? there is no rule who said u have to take prizes in that order or another

@AzulGG

28 күн бұрын

there isn't and I never said you should

superstition is a thin my gf never draws prizes in order but yes Oliver Barnet did it in a very sus way

The prize mechanic the way it's currently implemented feels like it has a lot of cheating potential. Why isn't it stacked and you draw off the top? Clarity in remaining prizes? Anyway, feel like this guy discerned that one card was more likely to be Klara because of the non shuffled, he shouldn't have that information and didn't wanna fully admit that's why he felt the cards weren't a 50/50. In magic at least, that would still be considered cheating.

I wouldn't say it looks like cheating if I was to choose prize cards not in order it would be because its just a feeling but yes him putting the card back is 100% suss af touching a prize card technically pulling it out, the prize card you grab is the one you get no if ands or buts.

I take prizes furthest away top to bottom but I did it every game

Dude definitely cheated

I normally take the top cards first

@boxkid759

7 ай бұрын

Sus

Is it illegal to draw your prize cards in any way you like? I don't draw in order and I pick my prize cards the way I like too. I'm never going to take prize cards in logical order now. This man got a well-deserved penalty for looking at his cards but this video is stupid and so is his argument. I was literally signed up for training and now I'm cancelling. I don't need a petty cry baby teaching me to play. This dude got caught cheating and Azul got caught being a cry baby

Bro I can pick up my prizes however tf I want, wtf are you talking about

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

No one said you couldn't

The thing that gets me is "I know it looks bad, but I PROMISE I didn't cheat" then proceeds to say he's quitting the game entirely due to the incident. Like if you genuinely did not cheat, why are you A - going forth with throwing the judges under the bus for something and B - outright quitting the game. It makes you look super guilty.

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

would you want to keep playing if everyone thought u were a cheater? Also the game as a whole night not be that big of a deal to them

@treymadison4592

Жыл бұрын

@AzulGG honestly, if I knew I wasn't a cheater I'd continue playing the game I love to play, yes. As you said yourself in the video, there were a lot of red flags. Both in his actions on stream and in the "apology" letter itself. It seems more like, they are trying to garner sympathy with the quitting response.

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

@@treymadison4592 Yea I could see it

Bruh..."drawing your prize cards out of logical order makes it look like your cheating"...I and so many others I know for a fact take prize cards randomly and in different order every time. This is the most asinine logic I've ever heard.

@BlueBartowski

Жыл бұрын

It's flawed logic and because someone of Azul's status THINKS it looks suspicious then of course the rest of the sheep will too. He doesn't like it, so they don't like it.

@vadersnemesis

Ай бұрын

Y’all are crazy, I played back in 2012 and it was considered sus then. It’s not an “Azul narrative” lmao 😂

as someone who loves picking random prize cards, i defend this guy.

@boxkid759

7 ай бұрын

Cringe.

I always take prize cards in different ways every game. I don't think that's sus actually, what makes it sus is when you start grabbing a prize and then return it and take another one. If you are already taking one keep at it and that's it.

@boxkid759

Жыл бұрын

Idk. Imo if you're at a regional playing against players you don't know and don't know how you play. Taking out of order prizes is certainly sus.

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

Nah that’s sus but it doesn’t mean ur cheating

Is it illegal to draw your prize cards in any way you like? I don't draw in order and I pick my prize cards the way I like too. I'm never going to take prize cards in logical order now. This man got a well-deserved penalty for looking at his cards but this video is stupid and so is his argument. I was literally signed up for training and now I'm cancelling. I don't need a petty cry baby teaching me to play. This dude got caught cheating and Azul got caught being a cry baby

@AzulGG

Жыл бұрын

Drawing your prize cards out of order looks sus it doesn't mean ur cheating and it's not illegal but it's just a bad look so I don't see the reason to do it and this is me telling people my take/giving my opinion on why they shouldn't do it I never said I didn't think he cheated but for me there wasn't enough there to for sure say he did cheat you seem very bent out of shape about my opinion but it's really not that serious you can draw your prize cards out of order if you want... edit* I'm pretty sure you didn't sign up for any "training" so that just seems like some weirdo slander..

@PKS_BLAZE

Жыл бұрын

He probably couldn't keep up training with you anyway. Bad take Alan