Of all of the cheaters I've heard about, this may actually be the most surprising. Massive thanks to GMG Performance Glasses for supporting me and the channel. Go grab a pair for 40% off at go.gmg-performance.com/karl-jobst

@ogedeh

Жыл бұрын

What happen?

@Djuncle

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely disgusting that someone so trustworthy would do something like this.

@HermannTheGreat

Жыл бұрын

The secret is, they're all cheaters, or nearly all who do things that seem impossible or unbelievable. The money and or status is too much for these people.

@ericdanielski4802

Жыл бұрын

@@HermannTheGreat Maybe.

@KDKEVlN

Жыл бұрын

Did you repost this video? Posting this comments right after the sponsor. It's the village chests that get him right? Or did someone else post this weeks ago? Weirdest sense of deja vu.

This reminds me of a funny incident that happened a couple of years ago: A TV program was going to give a prize to the oldest person alive of the country. But after tracking that person, they realized she had been dead for several years, but their family didn't notify her death to keep receiving the government pay. Then they decided to move to the next oldest person alive, but it turned out it was dead as well. And so on and so forth. By the time they got finished they uncovered 8 more cases of social security fraud...

@moctezumita

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@Tina.Di.Napoli

Жыл бұрын

Wow, irony of fate lol

@obiwancannoli1920

Жыл бұрын

That was in Japan, right?

@Petal316

Жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAAH Oh my god that’s hilarious

@kikosawa

Жыл бұрын

well, that doesn't seem very harmful

"Minecraft speedrun scientist" is one of those combinations of words that feels like it should be sarcastic, but is completely serious and genuine.

@hodolski

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of one Korean prosecutor who investigated the worst match fixing in the country's Brood War pro scene. He proved the anomalies in the accused rigged matches as himself being a competent StarCraft player, the best in the prosecutor's office.

@rompevuevitos222

Жыл бұрын

The difference between science and messing around is noting stuff down

@HarambaeXelonmuskfans

Жыл бұрын

It’s a similar title to “discord moderator” and “reddit admin”

@Astra3yt

Жыл бұрын

Well don't forget about the papers that were written during the Dream scandal. Those were proper high math stuff.

@jacksonlefteye

Жыл бұрын

uhhhh yeah i'm thinking "minecraft speedrun scientist" is goin on the 'ol resume lmfao

"It takes one to know one" is honestly why I believe that moderators should be deeply familiar with cheating themselves so they can recognise others more easily. Like a serial killer becoming a detective.

@Cscuile

Жыл бұрын

Next up: Head Mod of Speedrunning MC found cheating with their profound technical knowledge of MC!

@henrik1743

Жыл бұрын

"Like a serial killer becoming a detective." like this has ever happened lmfao

@TheOfficialBasedEgg

Жыл бұрын

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@ignaz-one7430

Жыл бұрын

While it isn't the best example, a lot of cyber criminals like hackers and scammers get themselves jobs in Police Departments due to their experience in the job allowing them to detect other ones of their kind.

@lovethisvelvetry

Жыл бұрын

@@henrik1743 well you wouldn't know, would u?

This is like these scenes in cartoons where the main characters are exposed for cheating and yet its revealed EVERYONE in the whole contest was cheating so the trophy goes to the person in last place who happened to be the only one that wasnt cheating.

@alvianekka80

Ай бұрын

That dancing competition episode in Spongebob where Patrick is the winner.

Something Karl didn't mention is that MinecrAvenger has a twin brother who is also a top Minecraft speedrunner however his brother is seemingly a completely legitimate player who has no oddities in his runs. When MinecrAvenger was first submitting times to the leader board his times just coincidentally happened to be slightly faster than his brothers, he wasn't just cheating and fooling the community he was also cheating to get a better time than his brother just so he could feel superior to him. A very sad man indeed.

@k1rkpad

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit

@MartKencuda

Жыл бұрын

That's something I've never thought about. Twins being competitive with eachother. It does have to feel weird to be the worse than someone that share your DNA. Any twins wanna weigh in on this?

@JamesV1

Жыл бұрын

I bet the twin feels amazing now

@Retzmag

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about that, I'd rather imagine his twin feels pretty shit living under the same roof as someone like MinecrAvenger

@Mate_Antal_Zoltan

Жыл бұрын

@@MartKencuda "It does have to feel weird to be the worse than someone that share your DNA" literally MGS1

I was in Brisbane recently and I saw that Netherworld was collecting funds for your legal fees. Really cool for a bar/arcade to do that for a local

@JohnSmith-cz9bd

Жыл бұрын

That's so nice !!

@robertmosley1188

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome, will need to plan a night out there. Pretty cool place

@lancepage1914

Жыл бұрын

I have heard about that place but never been there. Need to check it out.

@BirnieMac1

Жыл бұрын

I hadn’t heard of netherworld, is it in the valley or city?

@The_Dinosaur_Heretic

Жыл бұрын

@@BirnieMac1 It’s in the valley

I feel like the act of finding cheaters has become it's own sort of game. I wonder if at some point people start competing in it. Someone posts a deliberate video of a cheated speed run and people compete in finding the most amount of proof as fast as possible.

@blueturret5596

Жыл бұрын

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if something like this was already happening.

@Dolphin002

Жыл бұрын

Find cheater any% wr (0:27.047)

@pa-pa-plasma

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking this xD having a "cheat as subtly as possible" category would be really funny imo, it being more like Twilight Princess Low% than Any%, like whoever does the craziest cheats without "getting caught" gets WR rather than the speediest runner. might even help mods get a list of cheating tells & techniques at the same time. call it Cheat%

@MisunderstoodAmnesia

Жыл бұрын

Catching a speedrunning cheater speedrun any%

@twitzmixx8374

Жыл бұрын

Future video: it had been proved that [insert cheat debunker] had scripted his cheating debunk video. 💀

Exposing someone else from cheating probably is to gain the trust from the community, make people think he is one of the "good guys" that takes care of the integrity of the game.

@rdrrr

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he just wanted to ensure his run stayed the fastest. He couldn't be beaten by a legit player, but he _could_ be beaten by another cheater.

@Nontoxicz

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't take away from dream cheating

@thepsychicflame

Жыл бұрын

@@rdrrr or maybe it’s a combination of these with other things as well

@opo3628

Жыл бұрын

I definitely think that was part of it. I believe that he also wanted to eliminate some competition.

@thepsychicflame

Жыл бұрын

@@opo3628 I’m sure that was a factor

Him exposing dream is the perfect example of "Takes one to know one"

@ThatsTypical

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@Fiemus9

Жыл бұрын

Hahah lol! But what an L as well, at least Dream has basically banned himself from speedrunning and makes entertaining content.

@machinronii

Жыл бұрын

Karma at its finest

@MorbidFayde

Жыл бұрын

@@machinronii it's not karma, but ironic

@Kaimax61

Жыл бұрын

like they always say, people who's quick to accuse is usually virtue signalling.

When Karl revealed that it was in fact HIM wearing those glasses...Well my whole goddamn world collapsed around me.

@tiedomi80

Жыл бұрын

It's like Clark Kent and Superman were the same person *all along*

@prla5400

Жыл бұрын

Like seriously. Most Epic Karl Jobst Moments of All Time | Watchmojo

@thenonexistinghero

Жыл бұрын

It is ironic how a channel about exposing cheaters is trying to scam you into buying useless glasses with lies.

@suspectxxxl2980

Жыл бұрын

@@thenonexistinghero source? Or are you just gonna say baseless shit without providing proof

@XboxFunkyWonky

Жыл бұрын

@@thenonexistinghero ratio

It’s like studying a bank heist, calling the police on the criminals and then being caught robbing the same bank years later. It’s almost as if he studied the mistakes so he wouldn’t make them, but ended up having the same fate as the ones he studied.

Maybe he felt more secure after he exposed Dream. Like, if everyone knew him as the guy who exposed cheaters, then they would be less likely to think of him as one.

@realinfinity620

5 ай бұрын

Basically in Among Us when The impostor votes their teammate out to appear less suspicious

@ZachAttack6089

5 ай бұрын

​@@realinfinity620Exactly lol, he was probably hoping that throwing Dream under the bus would give him some protection if people got suspicious of him as well.

The audacity to call out someone for what you’re doing yourself is peak level.

@swysux6217

Жыл бұрын

What did Karl do?

@bananamonkeygaming14

Жыл бұрын

They're talking about the cheater

@Graknorke

Жыл бұрын

hypocrisy doesn't make you wrong it just means you don't live up to your own advice

@thetruth45678

Жыл бұрын

Actually, that's fairly typical human behavior.

@Whiteythereaper

Жыл бұрын

Literally Trump accusing the Democrats of using Fraudulent votes and fake news to get elected

It's amazing how far cheat detection has come. Huge W for the speedrunning comminity.

@RobVespa

Жыл бұрын

Until it turns out that everyone has cheated.

@carcinogeneticist378

Жыл бұрын

I thought that said “dedication,” lmao.

@ZiggityZeke

Жыл бұрын

Still feels like an L...

@william_.575

Жыл бұрын

you poor soul

@EddyNordica

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't have been possible without those cheaters!

I'm trying to imagine an alternate version of this story, where MinecrAvenger uses his knowledge of cheating to expose Dream, but admits that he knows it because he too is cheating. Burning down in flames with a bit of class.

I don't think there's any doubt that a lot of top rank speedrunners cheated their records and just haven't been caught yet because there hasn't been quite enough scrutiny to pick up on their method

@fnutek3720

Жыл бұрын

Thats a very cynical world view

@tomothybahamothy

8 ай бұрын

​@@fnutek3720or a realistic view

Its kinda funny knowing that if he didn't expose Dream, he wouldn't have been caught as easily. It was because of Dream that people started getting suspicious of 'good luck'.

@paulhallas9649

Жыл бұрын

I apparently won a prize, but nothing has yet come of it. May be a scam.

@shadowhuntergmd7059

Жыл бұрын

@@paulhallas9649 if it doesn’t have his name in it, it’s a scam, nothing mentioned in the video either

@paulhallas9649

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowhuntergmd7059 i see his name, KarlJobst

@shadowhuntergmd7059

Жыл бұрын

@@paulhallas9649 but a bunch of words before, it’s a scam, and creators have a different highlight when they reply

@paulhallas9649

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowhuntergmd7059 gotcha, 👍

What bothers me the most is the fact Minecravenger made so many of his runs a tiny bit faster than his brother’s. That's some next level pettiness I haven't seen before.

@snyder_fine_art

Жыл бұрын

Petty? Yes, but it seems like more than that. Some people just dominate their siblings in seemingly all competition they take part in. That can wear on the deficient competitor and be the spark for cheating behavior, especially when that sibling gloats about their victories. I'm not condoning it, but I understand it. The need to shut that person up becomes everything, and cheating at that point can be rationalized. It's wrong, so ban him from the competition community in which the cheating took place, for trust is lost, but it's not as crazy or sad as some believe it is in my opinion.

@diegomo1413

Жыл бұрын

@@snyder_fine_artwhat? This is still crazy and sad 🤨

@HarambaeXelonmuskfans

Жыл бұрын

@@snyder_fine_art Armchair psychologist here

@DyoKasparov

Жыл бұрын

@@snyder_fine_art yeah, but that's definitely not always the case. So you can't prove shit xd Take it from someone who used to cheat

@snyder_fine_art

Жыл бұрын

@@DyoKasparov Can you spot where I said this is always the case? I was simply opening myself up for a situation where someone rationalizes their cheating and I've determined that this behavior doesn't deserve the mob-like ire from everyone who consumes these videos. It goes too far.

The fact that I can hear the phrase "Minecraft Scientist" and not break a rib from laughing is a hell of a statement on where we are as a species. Not sure if it's a good or a bad one, but it's a hell of one either way

He was so jealous that another cheater broke his record that he forgot the hypocrisy 💀 Bro was heated Also imagine suing someone over a video game cheating accusation 😭

The dragon had probably started in 2nd gear to be able to get such a fast perch. What a talented runner!!

@ferociousfeind8538

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhh, the human element

@ZorotheGallade

Жыл бұрын

Didn't even need to pop the entire clutch, just the single egg.

@ChrisLeigh

Жыл бұрын

XD

@migueldelmazo5244

Жыл бұрын

@@ZorotheGallade thumbs up for the pun.

@onikoneko

Жыл бұрын

You can tell it wasn't a truly random seed by the girder fingers visible on the nether fortress transition scenes, that run was done on emulated hardware

I used to feel annoyed about the cheaters, but as a bystander I am -- more and more -- enjoying this cat and mouse game between the cheaters and the guardians of integrity

@ben6993

Жыл бұрын

“Cheaters and the Guardians of Integrity” would make a great title for a documentary 😂

@bunksoup8137

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Starting to agree.

@amarujuancoiz4287

Жыл бұрын

_between the cheaters_ *and* _the guardians of integrity and other cheaters_

@S4NSE

Жыл бұрын

that's how the governments feels like when civilians clash with the police lmao

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

There are no guardians of integrity. They are just other cheaters that are exposing other cheaters so their undetected cheats can make them the best. If cheaters are all in the top spot, it proves you have to cheat to get the edge (obviously), and so many cheaters do it that being at the top necessarily implies you are cheating. And we have literal cheaters exposing cheaters; how is that 'guardians of integrity?

It's strange to me that people cheat in the first place like even if you pull it off eventually top players will want to rewatch the clip in order to learn your strategy.. so someone is going to catch it at some point

There is a great video by Upper Echelon where he claims that the gamming community is much better at self moderating than the scientific community. This is a great example of that, it's amazing how people that play videogames can gather and use both the will and the means to expose corruption within the community while more important communities like the scientific community most times refuse to investigate possible corruption from within

@starmantheta2028

Жыл бұрын

That's not really surprising. Calling out someone for cheating in a speedrun risks at most being blown up on KZread or Twitter. Calling out corruption in science could be the end of your career. Plus you can't (usually) get cash and kickbacks for cheating or being complicit in it regarding speedrunning

The old saying rings true here “a thief thinks like a thief and locks everything”. He caught Dream because he was thinking like a cheater.

@rompevuevitos222

Жыл бұрын

White hat hackers are good for this reason, they know the trade and use it for good It is not uncommon for security companies to hire hackers

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, this is why normal people lock their house and cars; because they are thieves. So fcking stupid

@toceeno874

Жыл бұрын

does that saying also apply to houses

@Rahkoi

Жыл бұрын

@@toceeno874 It's a very dumb saying lol

@vanclyde

Жыл бұрын

@@Rahkoi Ya, i think "Takes one to know one" was a better fit.

This is going to just be a never ending cycle. First Drem gets exposed by Dream, and MinecrAvenger exposes him, and now he gets caught cheating. Whoever exposed MinecrAvenger for cheating, please don't be part of the speedrunning community so the cycle could finally break.

@Smitology

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist: Drem exposed MinecrAvenger

@durgun8247

Жыл бұрын

Amon has approved this comment

@IHaveBeenDoingTaxFraud

Жыл бұрын

Ooga not know what u say Ooga is cheats in spedrun!1

@juanignaciosala9414

Жыл бұрын

We must be better

@Dios_of_Autumn-1999

Жыл бұрын

@@juanignaciosala9414 No! We are cheaters. We never change.

0:22 Breaks gravel, gets flint in the 1st try. Enough said.

Wow what a shame. I'm glad that people in the community provide checks and balances to expose the cheaters. Love your channel Karl. Been subbed for years.

The fact he had the audacity to call out dream while doing the same goddamned thing is hilarious.

@prestongehrig2824

Жыл бұрын

except Karl and a shit ton of other people cheated on old video games just so they can get on a magazine. all of Karl's 007 WRs are real

@UltimaJC

Жыл бұрын

@@prestongehrig2824 I'm not talking about Karl, genius.

@projectjavelin5948

Жыл бұрын

He(Avenger) just didn’t want the competition, I’m guessing.

@jis11

Жыл бұрын

Takes one to know one

@brunoslybruno

Жыл бұрын

@@UltimaJC that reply the guy gave was so un-attached to what you said that i thought it was a bot before realizing the person totally misunderstood who you were talking about

The RNG in Minecraft speedrunning must be unbelievably frustrating to top runners for this many people to have been exposed for cheating inappropriately.

@fusrosandvich3738

Жыл бұрын

Every block can be randomly generated, so the RNG is probably the worst it could ever be in any game. Anything and everything could go wrong. That said, they should just run a more consistent category instead of cheating. If you dont like the RNG, pick a run with less RNG to worry about. Set seeds on specific versions for most consistency. Don't be an ass and cheat just cause you weren't able to get good enough RNG.

@realtimestatic

Жыл бұрын

@@jaade9485 Don’t don’t speedrun 1.14 or 1.15

@mastermewtwo5503

Жыл бұрын

Minecraft is one of the games built around random generation, so it surprises me so many people are wanting to run the game to begin with. Especially not the category for an optimal world either. It's going to take so many attempts to get optimal RNG, it's sure way more convenient to use mods or something to cut the grinding time down.

@josephwodarczyk977

Жыл бұрын

In addition to what other people have said, this was a big criticism of piglins in the nether being able to give ender pearls. Like that seems perfectly harmless, but this is the fastest way to get ender pearls now, it takes many tries to work out in your favor, and it's late enough in a run to waste more time on bad runs. And you'll never know how much gold you'll need (what the piglins give you for the gold is random), so good luck mining enough, while not wasting run time on too much. Compare that to villager chests, which are always the same if you prepick your seed. Unfortunately, mojang can never really fix this, because the world records with piglins bartering don't go away if they remove the mechanic.

@rompevuevitos222

Жыл бұрын

I imagine that runners do not really care about setting records, but rather just being fast Because even if they set one, it would be mostly luck

At this point, hearing the word "luck" when it comes to MC speedruns puts a pit in my stomach

the mass effect map music caught me off guard ! You truly are a man of culture, doubled with a great narration technique. Thank you for the work you put into your videos

I love a good Minecraft cheating controversy because the sheer lengths that cheaters go to to get ahead and the equally audacious lengths people go to to bust them defies belief

@Thund3rDrag0n12

Жыл бұрын

Fr. I'd give a lot to be this passionate and driven about anything lol

Now the person that exposed him needs to be under a 24/7 camera surveillance

If you account for Dream's MASSIVE cheating scandal, this is probably one of the biggest "takes one to know one" instances of all time

This reminds me of my old counter strike 1.6 server i used to run for years with my friends, we had a strict no second chances for cheaters policy but we secretly knew which of our admins were former cheaters and funnily enough it was always those who used to cheat themselves that were the best at spotting cheaters and getting rid of them in creative ways, takes one to know one i guess

@cyphi474

Жыл бұрын

Nah. I never cheated in 1.6, but i can see cheater in CS from miles away. If you know game well enough, you can see sus behaviour quite easilly. It doesnt mean its necessary cheating, but its usually first clue something is amiss. Strict no second chances is counter productive. I had rights on server, where we had second chance buy out and it worked pretty well. Also helped to pay for server, so it was win - win scenario. There was no third chance, so cheater thought twice to do it again...and we had very good admin team of experienced players to catch them, so server was very popular and always full over day.

@KiLLJoYYouTube

Жыл бұрын

oh 100%. When you cheat you know exactly how they work.

@KiLLJoYYouTube

Жыл бұрын

@@cyphi474 No, you really don't know how cheaters work, nor would it be "quite easy" for you. No one really cares enough, it's just a game.

@thelol6802

Жыл бұрын

@@KiLLJoYKZread if you are good at the FPS game then spotting a cheater won't be hard, and a lot of cheaters are usually non skilled at the game and don't know what is natural and what's not. Spotting cheaters that are good at the game is a lot harder but still won't be too hard.

@KiLLJoYYouTube

Жыл бұрын

@@thelol6802 you don’t know what you’re talking about

"You Can't Hustle a Hustler" The idea of that applying to cheaters as well sounds pretty fitting

as someone who was befriended with a speedrunner who later turned out to have cheated, I notice that people like to do theories on why and most of the time its completly wrong. People always overthink when the reasons are usually simple.

speedrunning cheaters being outed is more entertaining than actual speedruns

That's so wild that he was caught from that and not the splice. Shoutout to the community for checking the chest odds! Need passionate people behind these communities

You are an absolute legend for using the mass effect map theme in the background

Man got this video into a KZread ad, bravo

ProTip: Never expose one of the most popular gamers on the entire internet for cheating when you're cheating in almost the exact same fashion. It's not a good look.

@VeganKebabDoRuky

Жыл бұрын

Pro Tip: Ignore the aforementioned pro tip and do it anyways so you can help getting caught yourself later 👍

@zebefreod871

Жыл бұрын

@@VeganKebabDoRuky pro pro tip: just don't cheat.

@VeganKebabDoRuky

Жыл бұрын

@@zebefreod871 That's a very good pro pro tip, too bad cheaters are just pro's and not pro pro's, the real G's

@ivantheterrible7696

Жыл бұрын

@@zebefreod871 pro pro pro tip: cheat blatantly so you can't get exposed.

@IsaacHND

Жыл бұрын

@@zebefreod871 pro pro pro tip: go outside

He harnessed the power of the greatest video gamer of all time billy mitchell

@GoofyPoptart

Жыл бұрын

Without Billy we'd all be nothing

@awsomebot1

Жыл бұрын

SUED

@TheNathanKania

Жыл бұрын

Karl about to get sued again for ❤‘ing this comment.

@Sir_Psych

Жыл бұрын

Whoa whoa. He's "Gamer of the Century", let's not give him more credit than he's earned.

@greenpegatrix3773

Жыл бұрын

Careful. He will sue you.

I suddenly want karl to make a spinoff series called making a fake run in which he attempts to make a cheated run in games he is unfamiliar with to see what he can come up with

“Dolphins are also random” This sentence tickles me for some reason.

Perhaps he spoke out against other cheaters to make his runs look less suspicious. One becomes more trusted when exposing other cheaters.

@Murasame13

Жыл бұрын

Probably.

@chrom-manandrobin7983

Жыл бұрын

I feel like putting yourself into the spotlight of cheating scandals kind of puts you in the crosshairs as well

@howling_starr

Жыл бұрын

The guy basically self-reported. It's kinda hilarious.

I can't believe it's been two years since the Dream cheating case.

@fellaoncesaid6629

Жыл бұрын

No… no way

@matthewjamesguillen7163

Жыл бұрын

I'm old 👴

Hey Karl! I just wanted to say thank you. I ordered a GMG Oranos from your sponsor and I have to say. I can feel the difference. I work as an IT Admin and in the evenings I play 3 hours as well. So I am constantly using a monitor. After a few days, I can already feel that my eyes are not that tired at the end of the day and I sleep better as well. Thank you for the sponsorship / info. It definietly helped me and the prices are totally in the normal range as well. Keep up the good work!

I'd like to point out that '1 in 28 billion' probability is less likely than a rogue white dwarf crashing into the sun.

@TheAechBomb

21 күн бұрын

that... isn't reassuring

I'm so glad not every speed game can be easily modified in such hard to notice ways. Like imagine if in SM64 we had to worry about people speeding up Mario's rollouts by x1.01 and fixing coin spawning RNG to be 10% more favorable.

@steam-powereddolphin5449

Жыл бұрын

Persona 4 Golden and 5 Royal were once in the same boat due to their exclusivity and non-prevalence(?) of working emulators for their respective consoles. Now that they're available on Steam, it's entirely possible to use subtle cheats/mods for an unfair advantage. (I'm still not certain if skill change manipulation is legitimate or not)...

@poudink5791

Жыл бұрын

@@steam-powereddolphin5449 modding a Vita is easy. modding a PS4 is easy too. cheating was easily possible long before the PC ports.

@steam-powereddolphin5449

Жыл бұрын

@@poudink5791 I still don't believe that mods on those are as accessible as on PC; don't you need to jailbreak consoles in order to modify anything?

@dscimforjack

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't something like coin rng cheating be possible though? Especially on VC

@Ocarinist_Drew

Жыл бұрын

@@dscimforjack Yes, it would be. There are ways to mod every version of SM64 I believe. It comes down to accessibility though. Modding PC games is far more accessible than modding console games.

Dont play minecraft and dont speedrun except very casually in games I really really like for a personal challenge (so not a competitive speedrun at all) but I still love to watch this channel. Thanks for the great content Karl.

Imagine being the guy he supposedly beat. How relieving it probably felt to know about this.

I misread the title and thought it was about the biggest cheater in MineSWEEPER history. I'm at 7:59 and after reading the title again I only just now am understanding why you kept talking about Minecraft so much. I was actively wondering how this guy was gonna parley his Minecraft fame into a fake Minesweeper record. This whole video is gonna be a different experience now. Looking forward to it and now wondering if there's ever been a Minesweeper cheating scandal.

@karljobst

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@NanoElite666

Жыл бұрын

That's okay, I was looking at the video on my sub page and was wondering why the thumbnail had a Minesweeper board in it when the title mentioned Minecraft. Then the rest of my brain caught up and I felt a bit silly.

@SiggyT827

Жыл бұрын

bruh...i browse the comments at the beginnings and i only realised it after reading your comment...i also read it as minesweeper 😂 i think the thumbnail and lack of sleep made it look like a minesweeper field to me

@Santti1989

Жыл бұрын

It was probably the thumbnail that did the trick. It does look a bit like minesweeper.

I'm starting to think that the long hours of grinding the intense RNG of minecraft speedruns just cooks a certain kind of person's brain after a while.

@ObservationofLimits

Жыл бұрын

Yea lazy people with no morals

@inevitable48

Жыл бұрын

It takes a special kind of person to ever start these runs. They are all on a list somewhere.

@brunoslybruno

Жыл бұрын

sadly so, and as karl once said in the past, people that are very good at the game can end up cheating because they feel its unfair the rng isnt letting their skill shine and looking at those runs the guy seems pretty good honestly

@GeorgisTrying

Жыл бұрын

That's the thing about minecraft speed running and any heavy RNG game, it's INCREDIBLY flawed that you have to repeat the same thing 100 times, not because you messed up your execution, but just because a random number not in your control screwed you

This makes you wonder about how many other top speedrunners may be cheating as well, but successfully got away with it

This is absolutely crazy. Hats off to all minecraft geniuses out there. Thank you for making this video, my mind is blown

I remember watching a show back in the mid 2000s called it takes a thief where 2 ex theifs were exposing holes in peoples house security. This story reminds me of that because of the whole cheater exposes a cheater only to get caught cheating. But it does make since how he would know what to look for in order to expose Dream.

Every time this happens, I can't help but think, who else is cheating right now but yet to be caught?

@rubixtheslime

Жыл бұрын

I need to confess. I don't have any legitimate runs on the minecraft leaderboard. All of them are fake. None of them are real. If you think you see a minecraft run from me you're imagining things because I even faked submitting the runs.

@Sharpless2

Жыл бұрын

@@rubixtheslime i dont even know who you are but you had me in the first half ngl

@jayst

Жыл бұрын

I need to confess too. When I was playing Halo 2 split-screen 1vs1 with my cousin in 2007, I actually was cheating by looking at his screen to find where he was easily. I’m sorry

@animeking1357

Жыл бұрын

@@jayst I think we've all done that. When I was a kid and my friends and I would play 007 Goldeneye multiplayer we would all screen peek despite telling each other we couldn't.

@JakeCWolf

Жыл бұрын

If the pattern continues then one of people who busted Minecrvenger will be next.

I love competitive gaming of all kinds, but no group knows their games like speed runners

I love probability, because even with all these insanely small numbers it was still possible that he wasn't cheating. Good that these "minecraft scientists" got concrete proofs though, I hate cheaters.

I find it absolutely hilarious that the person that exposed Dream, straight up cheated multiple runs either before or after he exposed him, it's also ironic that he got caught for the same reason as Dream

@Nightcaat

Жыл бұрын

Takes one to know one, and it also took some attention off him

@ElectrifyyHD

Жыл бұрын

Makes you wonder how many people are cheating in the games we play everyday lol it’s sad

@nicerhabara

Жыл бұрын

Well, cheaters know what they need to look for after all to expose a cheater lol

@Hack_The_Planet_

Жыл бұрын

He was literally the best suited person for all of those situations

@revillus8173

Жыл бұрын

@@Nightcaat It's a legit tactic that works, if you play Phantom Forces on roblox then you'll eventually see a cheater use that tactic to deflect attention from their cheating onto someone else to make themselves look innocent

Cheaters are really good at spotting other people cheating because they know better what to look for and notice familiar patterns that they themselves might have attempted or thought about. Also the ego factor in cheaters makes them more likely to challenge the authenticity of other people's achievements which is probably how he noticed Dream was cheating too and got mad that someone else was beating his record the same way he was beating everyone else's.

@zoutewand

Жыл бұрын

Me and mates are great at spotting people cheating at card games. Because we constantly cheat during them when playing against each other (all in good fun tho)

@elcaponeholyemperorofnj1169

Жыл бұрын

This reminds me, back in the old days, many former criminals became very successful cops because they were once criminals, so catching one is child’s play.

@flyingstonemon3564

Жыл бұрын

If only those cheaters didn't submit scores and acted as simple cheater busters for scoreboards... Their help could have been invaluable!

@helizteil2625

Жыл бұрын

@@flyingstonemon3564 Imagine being an active and known cheater who just goes around pointing out everyone's mistakes

@flyingstonemon3564

Жыл бұрын

@@helizteil2625 So based... At least It's not cheating if you're not in a competition and just screwing around for fun

Does Karl line up the black fade outs with adverts? Because I genuinely love it if it’s intentional? Makes content really easy to watch!

You ever have KZread mobile force you to add videos to the wrong playlist? Yeah, now this video is in my private playlist, "Breaking Chad"

For the fact they put effort into making a tool for scanning all possible loot chests is truly amazing, kudos to everyone involved!

@rompevuevitos222

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how hard it must have been, you would need to take the game's algorithm, run it with each possible seed sequentially and report if it found a match It may have taken some hours or days

@HarambaeXelonmuskfans

Жыл бұрын

It’d be impressive if it weren’t so sad and pathetic. Someone sat down and did the calculations for all these variables. For a fucking videogame. I cannot imagine a better waste of my time.

@Gramini

Жыл бұрын

@@HarambaeXelonmuskfans No no. Nobody did the calculation themselves. They made a program that did that. The calculation itself can be automated and even be parallelized onto multiple computers. The algorithm for that can be easily orientated from the original game. Doing trillions of calculations by hand would be insane, might take some decades and is very error prone.

@Ange1ofD4rkness

Жыл бұрын

Right? I wanna see this tool, and how they developed it. Build and Running long computation applications is actually a lot of fun!

Thanks so much for what you do. Not the critical exposes or reviewing speedruns… but for putting Mass Effect music in the background.

@hotcosby4249

Жыл бұрын

Spitting facts

@Chronicoverburn

Жыл бұрын

Can't belive u picked that up

@dimwarlock

Жыл бұрын

I just pictured that scene from the Simpsons where they get Homer to finally join the cult... by using the batman song. Can you hear the pied piper?

Just imagine how many cheaters are out there not being caught...

Unexplainable glitches in software that can’t be repeated are probably due to space rays. Multiple space rays in one run is pretty suspicious…

@mmcblk05studio

Жыл бұрын

all speedruns should be played with ECC memory on space-grade tri-processor setup

@MasterOfKnowledge.

Жыл бұрын

Congrats for making me look up the term "space rays"

@Xnoob545

Жыл бұрын

@@MasterOfKnowledge. cosmic rays is the more widely used term

@Meitti

Жыл бұрын

Multiple space rays in one run is possible if the cosmic event lasts longer than an eyeblink. Multiple space rays in multiple different speedruns are however cheating.

@Aikisbest

Жыл бұрын

Haha, in my days it was the new age quacks that blamed their failures on vaguely described space stuff, now it is video game cheaters who do it XD (at least new agers and similar blaming things on planets not being aligned properly or some other crap was at least somewhat thematically relevant to the bluff >_

I get that top players are almost always the ones who end up cheating, and it makes sense why, but exposing other cheaters after you've cheated records yourself seems crazy. Like that's the absolute textbook definition of "tempting fate".

@flyingstonemon3564

Жыл бұрын

To me It seems like mindgames or I guess a classic game of among us or werewolf

@massgunner4152

Жыл бұрын

On the other hand this guy was such a master of tricks he wasn't going to get caught throught the means he used to expose others.

@Voskos

Жыл бұрын

They are projecting

Whenever something like this happens, the same fraud detection methods should be applied to the entire top ten of the game in question.

@Twitch_Fox

Жыл бұрын

And for any caught cheating removed from the list, repeat on the players taking that new top ten slot.

@rompevuevitos222

Жыл бұрын

Well, the tool has been created, altho i imagine that checking each of the trillions of seeds would take a ehile

@HarambaeXelonmuskfans

Жыл бұрын

@@rompevuevitos222 They’re speedrun moderators they have nothing better to do

@THICCTHICCTHICC

Жыл бұрын

Lance Armstrong steroid moment

@kingofgrim4761

Жыл бұрын

@@HarambaeXelonmuskfans 🤣🤣

This man could be the Frank Abagnale of minecraft if he accepted his mistakes and became an expert in detecting other cheaters

This almost makes me put an asterisk beside every minecraft record I see from now on.

WOW im so proud of everyone here for helping karl out with the lawsuits, warms my heart to see

@TomGibson.

Жыл бұрын

I hope karl get out of it alright, and I hope he gets all of his money back and more from billy and his constant harassment

@KnoxCarbon

Жыл бұрын

Billy Mitchell is a pathetic, thin-skinned hack.

In 2 years: “How ExeRSolver was caught cheating in a Minecraft speedrun.” 9:20

This is a really reminiscent of "You were my brother, Anakin!" Minecravenger was a massive, well respected speedrunner that ultimately betrayed the entire community.

Just ordered a pair of the glasses, thanks!

I remember seeing the spread sheet for this. Its beyond insane how they caught him.

Saw this come up elsewhere and it's crazy. Glad to see Karl cover it too; I really like the way he puts his videos together and always speaks clearly and directly on the matter.

@johnathanclayton2887

Жыл бұрын

I think it was lowest percent? The video sounded familiar.

@gorgeouszan

Жыл бұрын

@@johnathanclayton2887 could be. I feel a bit bad not remembering it. Came up as a random suggestion and not a channel I normally watch.

@SkorchRabbitz

Жыл бұрын

@@gorgeouszan Yeah, lowest percent released a video on this two weeks ago

@gorgeouszan

Жыл бұрын

@@SkorchRabbitz gotcha was probably that then

This whole situation is basically Spiderman pointing at eachother

Running Micravenger’s chests against the trillions of possibilities … the speed running community is on a whole other plane of existence

This is why it's important to take the opinions of other cheaters accusing others seriously. Tons of cheating scandals in COD have happened in the last two years, but the community is so toxic it won't even listen to other cheaters laying out, in detail why a lot of the big cod streamers are cheating. I get it, they're cheaters - but, they have more experience with cheating than most other people and are worth listening to.

@eymed2023

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Cheaters know what they're talking about when they talk about cheating, since they have 1st hand experience with it.

@juniperrodley9843

10 ай бұрын

I remember a time in a Text RP group when I accused someone else's character of being overpowered, at which point I was dogpiled for having my own OP character and my take was disregarded. Years later, after the departure of the person I'd accused, it was near-universally agreed that his character was absolutely broken. I remember this vividly specifically because it was the moment I stopped caring so much about hypocrisy. More people need to recognize that a correct criticism being hypocritical *doesn't make it any less right.*

I almost want to thank all the cheaters for giving Karl the justification to do these amazing videos, thank you so much you legends

@eba56

Жыл бұрын

Absolute legends

@alilweeb7684

Жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTE legends*

@FalseRadiation

Жыл бұрын

Absolute legends

@tianqi5008

Жыл бұрын

Absolute leg-ends

@Nobbie248

Жыл бұрын

Absolute Drongos

"Youou absolute LEGENDS..." is literarally the best in and outro on YT 😄 The intonation is so funny, like you want to say something like 'you absolute a-holes', but then it becomes LEGENDS with a bassy voice 😂🤣

He should hire a Harvard astrophysicist to prove that it's possible for him to get that good obsidian rng

Each time a new person is discovered to have cheated, I wonder how long itll be before we hear Karl himself has been caught in a major cheating scandal. My heart cant take it

@surzhyk1392

Жыл бұрын

he was innocent, the entire video is fake

@Zoova

Жыл бұрын

@@surzhyk1392 The first stage of grief is denial

@Zoova

Жыл бұрын

@@surzhyk1392 The first stage of grief is denial

@lawless7512

7 ай бұрын

​@@surzhyk1392what you mean?

@kevinamundsen6983

6 ай бұрын

@@surzhyk1392Yeah, what DO you mean?

Was he also exposed for listening to the song “Dupe - International “ ??

Him "i know he cheated. I use that cheat"

1:03 I doubt anyone who sees this will understand, but 1541 is an iconic number in a community I'm in, and seeing it appear in a seemingly random place is crazy considering how small said community is (300-400 members). And given how specific the number is, there's a very low chance it appears randomly so when it does, that's really an "Oh my god, wow!!!!" moment.

I’m waiting for a “Karl Jobst cheating scandal exposed” video. I really hope one never gets made. Please don’t break our hearts you absolute legend

@nekdonikde5317

Жыл бұрын

He already made one himself.

@byLags

Жыл бұрын

Literally exists right now lol

@ephwurd2yurMother

Жыл бұрын

Well you better start putting your heart back together lol

@HieronymousLex

Жыл бұрын

Kinda seems like a lot of the speedrunning community cheats when guys who expose others for cheating are getting outed for cheating. Even Karl himself had to get out in front admitting to scores he cheated in the past, however insignificant, and whether or not he framed it sarcastically.

@eymed2023

Жыл бұрын

Karl actually DID expose himself for cheating on a magazine competition decades ago when he was a teenager.

13:20 actually that did happen to me once - my world somehow got deleted and when I created a new world, the same world appeared (with the chest contents and all that)

They didn't just have to run his chests against the full 2ish billion possible ones, they had to generate an exhaustive list of them first! This took months of computing on its own.

@Veltrosstho

Жыл бұрын

Not really months, you just take a list of the chest patterns and then run simulations for matching loot seeds, as it runs through the sims it crosschecks itself with the ones taken from stream, once they are confirmed as possible it's taken out, increasing the speed of checks. Computers are really really good at crunching numbers. I can't see this taking more than a month, faster if the work was split across multiple computers.

@proxima_fish

Жыл бұрын

In a different video, Matthew Bolan said they used GPUs to do it in a few hours

@nnnik3595

Жыл бұрын

@@Veltrosstho there are no fixed patterns

@nnnik3595

Жыл бұрын

@@proxima_fish they used maths to reverse the formula. They didn't generate all trillions of chests and then checked if they got a match. They asked which seed do I need to get this specific layout. Given that numbers aren't random but just complicated formulas that seem random there is probably only a few million possible seeds.

@proxima_fish

Жыл бұрын

@@nnnik3595 This is false, if you saw the Lowest Percent video about this topic (video was made by an actual minecraft runner) then you’d know better Edit: Also your approach won’t even work because the entire point is that this chest is not possible - there is no seed that generates it. And there are indeed 2^48 possible different loot seeds, this is just a known fact at this point.

1:13 welp i can only say only cheater can find a cheater

If Minecravenger being a cheater helping expose other cheaters isn’t the textbook definition of a hypocrite, then I don’t know what is.

Why don't we just have an any %UseAnyCheatsNecessary category just to see who's the best at cheating?

@bobbob1876

Жыл бұрын

Ohh, I like this idea.

He was my inspiration too. His 2:56 1.14 SSG was what got me to where I am now. Kinda sad that I was watching a cheated run

@Kayzeelh

Жыл бұрын

same :/

@TheOfficialBasedEgg

Жыл бұрын

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@sbhnk

Жыл бұрын

it’s just a game you will be fine

@CoalWurld

Жыл бұрын

@@sbhnkThanks for the obvious.

@DefgirRZawa

Жыл бұрын

If it is a consolation, you can at least say you did better then him :)

I never really looked into minecraft speedruns but there's a seed called "stronghold below" that spawns you in a village above a stronghold I bet that would be a good one

In my opinion it's the players that expose others that you need to be the most suspicious of. In-depth knowledge of catching players gives you a big advantage in knowing how not to get caught. Also exposing cheaters puts you in high standing with the community so no one expects it anyway.

Seeing this makes me worry a lot about how many WR speedruns from other games were also cheated. I mean, people were able to detect this particular case thanks to Minecraft being literally the most popular and played game of all time, and the build-up experience and knowledge coming from that fact is unfathomable. But the vast majority of other games aren't so "lucky".

@riffbw

Жыл бұрын

I got my start following speed running watching ZeroMaster. If he's ever outed as a cheater, I'll likely lose interest forever. I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of his runs whatsoever, but the more cheating that gets uncovered in the hobby/sport as a whole, the more you begin to question everyone that is just a bit too successful.

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

Virtually all of them are cheaters. That is the open secret

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

@@riffbw It is the norm, trust me. But people only 'analyze' if suspicious arises, and good cheaters can blatantly cheat without arising suspicion. Thus, what needs to happen is that we randomly 'analyze' people blindly in order to find a 'cheating rate.' If we blindly analyze 100 speedrunners that are in the top 10, and we get a rate above 10%, we know that virtually every 1st place in all speedruns was achieved via cheating ( this is because if you are cheating at a 1 in 10 rate, and we look at the top 10, the odds of the cheating being #1 are obviously higher; unless the cheater sucks so much his cheating only gets him to #10-2 ) You can do a further layer analysis to determine this (just look at all the top 10's and see who cheats

@swagar

Жыл бұрын

@@pyropulseIXXI Virtually every WR is cheated? You watch too much KZread.