Finally a drawer style that is not over complicated and not taking up a whole wall

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

right? Thanks!

Actually loving the industrial look of the exposed structure without front plates!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Check back next week to see the final look. It turned out pretty good I think.

@Sembazuru

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Well, that is the beauty of your design. Those of us who choose to print it can decide on our own how to dress the front of the drawers. I haven't decided if I'll print these, but if I did I'd probably design a front to the drawer that holds filament swatches of what is in the drawer, covering only the bottom part of the drawer. I think I would like the look of seeing the top half of the first spool.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@Sembazuru For sure, it's a bit strange not actually SEEING any of the spools, but I'm getting used to it. I think having filament samples inside the faceplate would be really cool, that was one of my original ideas ,but I'm not disciplined enough to actually print the swatches :-)

May I suggest adding a way to place filament sample chips to the drawer front to identify what's in the draw.

@3dhavok

3 ай бұрын

Nice idea! I was going to suggest optimal print profile slots for each filament with their names printed on slips, but having a visual sample sounds better.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

The drawer pulls have an integrated label holder ;-)

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I like the idea and considered it, but I swap around filament a LOT and I know it would be outdated after a week or two.

I really like the drawer system you've designed!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

thanks!

this is brilliant and much needed for your fellow makers! thank you for sharing this incredible design!!!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

You are so welcome!

very nicely done. It's heartwarming to see a well designed solution ( as always from you Robert)

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

you're welcome!

I love that you have provided STEP files of the model so we can modify it according to our hardware specifications. you earned the subscription!

Wow, this is a really unique and interesting system. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the next video to see the more details.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

It's coming next week, I promise. It turned out really nice.

Thanks for sharing your requirements and the design process, Looks like a good system

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I'm loving it so far.

Brilliant! My hat is off to you for your engineering prowess! 🙂

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

This system looks amazing. Thanks for sharing this.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Glad you like it!

What a brilliant idea! (I say as I sit on about 5 sets of drawer slides I bought for a project that never came to fruition)

Great video. Only problem with open storage of hygroscopic filament is that it's a 2 part problem. Yes, absolutely dry the filament before and during printing, however that's only half the problem. The longer that hygroscopic filament stays wet, the more permanent and non-reversible molecular damage is done, I usually find that at least least for hygroscopic filament, if I've stored it open, by the time it's been on the shelf 2 years the damage is usually sufficient such that no amount of drying prior to printing will fix it.

@UloPe

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, this really is the Achilles heel of this otherwise amazing design … It’s probably possible to come up with a completely enclosed version of this.

That's a genius arrangement! Thanks for sharing!

@RobertCowanDIY

Ай бұрын

Thanks!

You made my heart skip a beat and check what weekday it was!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Ha! sorry about that.

It's the best project I've seen so far!! Only detail, I would close the open parts (left, right and rear) to reduce dust and humidity

@RobertCowanDIY

16 күн бұрын

Sure, but think of the amount of material needed to close them off! It's significant.

amazing concept! I will do this and already thinking of ideas for dessicant.

Love the design. I’d been thinking about how I’d store my stacks of filament and this is really nice. I’d considered a book case, and as you said, but would only have linear space. I’ve got a desk with space above and below that I can take advantage of with your design. Nice work!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! With this design, you can go as deep as you need.

Concise and well thought out as usual.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Great design! Thanks for sharing!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Glad you like it!

Great design, thank you for sharing.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Glad you like it!

Super nice! I really like the industrial-but-still-pretty look of it. I think this would go nicely with a digital inventory system so you can see what you have without having to go through each drawer, and so you know where each spool is when you need it and where to put it back when you're done. I keep my filament in boxes of 8 spools and each spool is in a vacuum bag. I built my own inventory system with Airtable. I really like these no-code databases for things like that. I can track each spool back to when I ordered it and know which box it's in, along with loads of other info.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

That's not a bad idea, but I have a LOT of things to track in the shop, the 3d printer and filament is just one of them. I should track my end mills, metal stock, etc, etc. I generally have a good idea of what I have on hand. There are some filaments I just always keep on hand and the others are just leftovers from specific projects or stuff I thought looked cool.

personally for me the issue of being open is less about moisture because as you said getting this to seal and stay at a low enough humidity is basically impossible with reasonable effort, what is how ever important for me is keeping dust out. but overall with this design you can easily add side pieces that provide a decent dust cover.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I get that. The moisture issue is really difficult to tackle. BUT, the way it's positioned in my shelving unit, I could easily just 'skin' that section of the shelf and it would be effectively air tight. It just needs a left and right panel really.

@Sembazuru

3 ай бұрын

For dust prevention, this design looks like it would take wrapping with a poly film of some sort. Use truss-head screws or similar to tack it on to the outside of the frame using the existing holes. Doesn't need to be drum tight.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@Sembazuru Oh, absolutely. I didn't mention it, but I wanted to keep the outside smooth so that was an option. For my application, I could just 'seal' off the cavity in the shelving unit.

Pretty cool. Makes me think of a filament filing cabinet.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Right? That's basically the concept I was thinking of.

Very well thought out design!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

Great design! I really like it. 😍

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Scrolled through my home feed, ran across this video, played it, and said outloud, " ooh, I like this guy." I think that means you've earned the subscribe. 😅

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

ha, thanks!

Definitely liking this idea. Think I may have to see if this will work in my cabinet below my printer, since I just have have filament stacked in it.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I was doing that for awhile too! This is much easier to see what you have for sure.

@GeedsGarage

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY well I have the first frame piece printing on my qidi x-plus 3. It just fits on that bed lol.

Not sure why I've never thought to combine 3D printed parts with drawer slides... I use them all the time in my wood and aluminum-based fixtures. Pretty nice little system!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Brilliant. Thank you for sharing

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

thanks for watching!

Was able to load the video yesterday and watch it. Also made a copy for safe keeping. I was not sure why it became private. Glad to see it posted! Great video

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Ha, nice. Yeah, I messed up the release schedule and had it set to public before it was ready.

I like your attention to details.

@JonathanRansom

3 ай бұрын

I know you probably already have this project completed. But I really like using the black metal business cards from Amazon as laser engraved labels, they look sharp and are durable.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, they're SUPER cheap and engrave really well. They should make pretty cool labels.

Absolutely genious!!!! Thank you!!!

@RobertCowanDIY

Ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

Nice work Robert!! I have some rails laying around. Will check if it’s compatible

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Let me know, I wasn't going to go out and buy a bunch of slides to see how universal the hole patterns were. BUT, I included the STEP files on printables, so it should be pretty easy to modify.

I love this design! I want to remix this for normal office storage drawers.

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

go for it!

@originalpo10c

2 ай бұрын

Wow. I appreciate you replying to everyone! Thank you. This design is really great!

That is awesome. I have the same rack, I might have to take on this project.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

It's pretty much a perfect fit, I highly recommend it. It's a bit of work, but I'm loving it so far.

YES IVE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THIS

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

IT'S HERE!

Awesome design!!!👍

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

This is an AWESOME system, love the look, build quality, practicality. Unless you're running a print farm and turning these filaments over pretty quick, I don't really see the point of drying. That's a lot of extra energy to remove moisture from a filament roll that you might not use until months from now. I think you have the right idea to just dry it when you need it. Or worst case, build a separate 3 to 9 roll dryer for commonly used filaments that you want to have ready to go.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Yep, that's exactly what I'm thinking. Dry as needed.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@GeorgeGraves I would disagree with you. I actually made a whole video about this. A viewer (such as yourself) said this and had filament that was just shattering into pieces when you bent it. He mailed it to me and I dried it for 24 hours and it went back to normal. Other than with UV exposure, filament doesn't 'go bad' from moisture alone. I've had 5+ year old rolls of filament that get VERY brittle easily recovered by 24 hours in a dryer. kzread.info/dash/bejne/loiLxLuTpKm2dbg.html

@GeorgeGraves

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY I deleted my post since it's falling on deaf ears - google ad hominem (since you've deleted your personal attack)

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@GeorgeGraves It's not falling on deaf ears at all. I dry all my filament ahead of using it and I have yet to have an unrecoverable spool. But that's simply my experience. It sound like you've had a different experience. That's OK. We can disagree on this. Civil disagreement is possible.

Absolutely genius!🎉

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

thanks!

Hi there, I love your drawer system! Thank you for making it free for all to replicate ;) May I suggest to store the filaments in ikea largest zip bags ? These are great for holding the material and you just need to remove as much as as possible with a little vacuum 😉 saves a lot of headaches!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I did consider that, but putting the filament in bags makes them not really fit as well. I still think keeping 100+ rolls of filament dry and ready to go is a bit impractical, as you'll need to dry them during use anyway. It's also a LOT of extra bags and time to keep them all sealed.

brilliant! thanks for sharing

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

This system looks awesome man, great job. The big question though, I get the power constraints and form factors, along with the different filaments as well, but…solid state dehumidifiers? The seems like it might have a great place here on the face of the drawer. High cost for the units, I know, but power wise that seems like a good fit. No, it’s not as fast as a dryer of course, but for storage purposes like this, I think it might be killer. Just need to seal the body of each drawer though. When I get my XL in, I definitely plan on trying this. LOVE your channel, keep up the good work.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I saw that video too ;-) I thought about it, but for me, the biggest issue is drying WHILE printing. Getting the humidity down initially is important, but I've noticed through longer prints the quality can degrade as the print goes along. Also, when I was printing my speakers, I needed to print about a week's worth of parts and it just makes sense to dry WHILE printing. So in general, I'm going to print from the dryer for anything critical anyway. It was a compromise I made, and I'm OK with it. I thought about sealing each drawer, but I go 'shopping' a lot with filament, so I'd be constantly opening up the drawers, making any air tight seal pointless.

Very nice design

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot

Nicely done

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

You might be able to get a tighter pack with a hexagon design. The project looks amazing!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

MAYBE, but there still needs to be room for the slides. Plus, hexagons don't fit into rectangles well, so you'd just end up with a tighter pattern, but a lot of empty space in the corners.

Drying is definitely faster at the correct temperature for each filament but all filaments will give up a bit of their moisture when the ambient moisture is low enough. I love the idea, i would still spend the extra effort to enclose them all and keep the humidity as low as possible (you can get sub 5% rh with some diy designs) It would also decrease the re-drying time from taking a spool that was previously dried but stored for a day out of the dryer.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Oh, I really debated this over and over. But I have some spools I've had for years. Once you get 100+ rolls of filament, they're gonna sit for awhile. Unless you dry each roll, then seal it with desiccant and store it that way, you really should just dry it before use. I'm not disciplined enough to go through that much effort every time I use a single roll.

@Sembazuru

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Even if the spool is dried and bagged before storage, even the thick plastic bags will pass moisture if left in storage long enough. IMHO, if you can see through the bag (i.e. not metalized), water can eventually get through the bag. Even knowing this, I still store my spools in a resalable vacuum bag (I got a ton of them from Eibos for cheap when they were doing a kickstarter) with desiccant and a paper humidity strip. For my more hygroscopic filaments I still dry them before printing (I don't have a drier for during printing yet...). My gut feeling is by doing it this way, even the old spools start out a little drier when I pop them into the dehydrator. No evidence, just a gut feeling. Even PLA I'll dry if the paper humidity strip indicated a high enough humidity.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@Sembazuru Yeah, we're on the same page. I have just gotten into the habit of deciding what filament I need ahead of time, putting it in the dryer and keeping it there until the project is done. For the actual drawers, I was printing for ~2 weeks. There's no way the filament would have stayed dry the whole time, so it just lived in the dryer. Usually when I need to print something, it's not just a single part for a couple hours, it's usually prototyping and such over the course of a few days, so it might as well live in a dryer.

Very elegant and beautiful design. However, desiccant does keep filament dry, and will pull moisture out of filament over a long enough period, if the container is sealed and air tight. I don't see a good way to do that with this design though, at least easily, as it would require non-porous plastic sides and gasket seals at the opening. I guess I would need to find a drying system that I actually like to use this drawer system, as currently most seem to have flaws in their design, at least with purchasable products.

Nice, but I'd really need to have those enclosed. We operate SLS in the same room. Btw I love your rack!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I would have liked it to be enclosed, but it just wasn't in the cards. I might just 'skin' around it though, as it would be fairly easy to close off that cavity in the rack.

solid design

This is awesome!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Very cool, one question. Where did you get the rack? I’ve been looking for something for my x1c and that looks really nice.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

You can get something like that at home depot or lowes, they each have a version. I have more details in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3mF1sd6f9zgirg.html

Nice project

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks

Just Awesome

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

thanks!

Wow, great setup and design. Did you cover the front dimensions, I didn't notice it here or on Printables. "height & width?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah. The dimensions are 225mm tall by 260mm wide. I'll add that to printables.

Love the design of this. Did you consider using EMT conduit instead of PVC? EMT would probably add a lot more strength and rigidity without altering the BOM cost much.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I wanted PVC since it's just easier to work with. There are several holes into the PVC and EMT would have been a bit trickier to deal with for most people. Also cutting and sourcing. With all the fasteners in the right spots, I don't think EMT would significantly increase rigidity, but it would increase the overall weight. BUT, the design would be really easy to convert to EMT, you'd just need to adjust a couple dimensions and the STEP files are included ;-)

This has the penitential to be designed for other uses too. Like a traditional drawer.

Brilliant!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

thanks!

I was just planning on something like this but full floor unit I guess either ill scrap the project or integrate your idea

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Nice! That would be really cool. With this, I'd go much higher in-fill if you're gonna stack more than 3-4 high. But once everything gets assembled together, it starts to get pretty sturdy.

Awesome solution! I was wondering, any reason for the rounded outside corners on the frame? Except for aesthetics ofcourse.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Just for aesthetics really. Also, it allows faster print times since it doesn't have to slow down in the corners. ALSO, the original design used these clips to attach modules at the corners, but it didn't end up working, but I kept the corner radius.

Hey @Robert, looks like the prinables link is broken. This looks like a very smart solution!

@brian2k1

3 ай бұрын

it is not on his models list either, maybe he had to hide it temporarily or just didn't make it public yet. his username on printables is RCDIY_187541

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Huh, try it again, it's working for me, and it's getting a lot of traction on Printables, so maybe it's just you?

A variant that would be printable on a X1C or P1S would really increase its popularity. I think it's a great design. But about 10mm too wide for a X1C/P1S

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I REALLY tried, but there was no way to make it smaller without doing something different. I started the design with a sketch of a spool, added clearances for the slides and the minimum wall thickness and that's about as small as I could get it unfortunately. A 300x300mm printer does just fine though. But that was one of my biggest compromises with the design, it can't be printed on standard-sized printers.

@infamy4k

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Yeah, and i can see how splitting the ring would ruin its strength. Trying to figure out if there is a way to make it work. (even if increase print time/plastic) I think it would be possible but would ruin the ability to stack them reliably. I wonder if printing them at a slide incline in the printer would work.. layer lines would be stronger that way as well. say with a 30 degree tilt?

@jajordan2515251

3 ай бұрын

Let's Just hope Bambu Lab comes out with there large format printer soon. Enough with this A1 stuff =P Also, great design Robert. I'm really liking your attention to details. You have earned a sub here.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@infamy4k Yeah, it might work. I might look into trying to make it a bit smaller, it might be possible with angling the drawer slides. We'll see...

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@jajordan2515251 I've heard from them SOMETHING is coming. I've been told to 'stay tuned'.

Thank you for this insightful video and the impressive design shared! I have two queries regarding the statements made in the video: 1. You mentioned that "20% is way too much humidity for filament". Could you share the data or studies that this recommendation is based on? I've been targeting below 25% humidity for my filament storage (but for Nylon and the likes that I try to keep under 10%)and, based on observations rather than scientific evidence, I am noticing little to no difference in print quality under 30% humidity. I'm keen to understand if there's a specific humidity threshold supported by data that I should aim for. 2. You mentioned that 'Desiccant packs will not actively remove moisture from the filament.', I believe there might be a misunderstanding. Silica gel desiccants will absorb moisture, thereby reducing the humidity in the environment. This reduction in environmental humidity would, if lower than the humidity in the filament, cause the filament to release moisture to reach equilibrium with its surroundings. If possible, could you elaborate on the context of your statement? I appreciate your expertise and look forward to any further insights you or others might offer on this.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I'll start by saying most of my 'research' is just anecdotal, like your own. I'm referring to the percentages I see from my dyers and other humidity sensors nearby. 1) this is just anecdotal, that's what I've found works best for me and tends to be as low as it dips. At 20%, there's still more moisture left in there, so if I see it at 20%, I'll usually let it go for a little longer. I've never had an issue printing below 20%, but I've seen issues above it, so that's just my own rule of thumb. 2) CNC Kitchen has a nice video about this, but in short, desiccant packs are really good at absorbing moisture, but they can't actively draw it OUT of filament. So they can maintain low humidity levels and prevent further moisture ingress, but they really don't do much to draw out moisture from filament, actively heating filament is really the only way to do this.

Informative as always! Are you able to get down to 10% relative humidity with the Sunlu? Mine sort of flattens out at 19% no matter how long I dry for.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I think about 13-15% is the best I tend to get. You gotta 'burp' it from time to time. The heat will make the moisture leave the filament, but then it needs to escape. Also, thanks!

@EirikBrandalf

3 ай бұрын

​@@RobertCowanDIYI generally let it dry with the lid slightly open during the entire process. Maybe that's where I go wrong!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@EirikBrandalf I start with it closed, let it get up to temp, then open it a bit, let it sit like that for awhile, then close it back up.

Excellent design! I love the innovative use of the PVC pipe! Just did a quick slice and it looks like 1 roll of 1kg filament will do 2 drawers? That would run about $40 CAD in filament for decent ASA up here in the north. Where as just making the internals would yield 5 drawers worth per roll (maybe 6) and use the remaining $80 for some plywood to make an outside two drawers high with banks?? Just thinking out loud is all and wondering about cost effectiveness in my local area (I already have a full woodworking shop with a CNC so might as well make this a full makers setup) I love your videos and would subscribe twice if I could!!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I'll go into more details in my next video, but at least for me filament was cheaper than using plywood. Also, plywood ended up being less dense and much heavier. You can use ABS though, which is MUCH cheaper. But yes, 1KG gets you to modules.

You don't need to dry your filament in the storage. The store just needs to keep already dry filament from getting wet. Any sealed box with some dessicant will do that job just fine. Heating is only needed to dry the filament either before putting into storage or before printing.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Correct. Dry before and during use is what I do.

I really like the design however like many I don't have a large format printer. I wonder if the frame could be quartered with dovetails so that it could be printed by those of us with smaller printers.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

There are a couple remixes, but I'm working on a smaller version.

Gave a like just for that nice jade-scaled benchmade knife. I see you, closet knife nerd.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

aaaah, nice eyes! Benchmade Osbourne with g10 scales. One of my faves.

You mentioned you wanted to make it as slim as possible. Since you are 3D printing things, do you think you could take the drawer slides, move them down and inward a bit, and angle them so they are actually what is holding the spools? This would free up a bit of width. Though I think to get them to slide out you would need to flip which side of the drawer slide is in and out.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I kinda toyed with that, but it's hard to explain all the issues with that. In the next video, I can post a screenshot of the sketch I used in solidworks. I basically started with a sketch of the spool, clearance for the spool, and all the necessary wall thicknesses, etc. This is about as small as I can get it. If it was square, the drawer slides would have to be in the bottom corners, which MIGHT work. I might look into seeing how that could work, but I was worried about getting the slides too far away from the center of mass.

@KaletheQuick

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Nice! That's super neat. Keep making great stuff! :D

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@KaletheQuick Oh, I plan on it!

Hey there Robert - I see around 7 seconds into the video there are several spools of gold / brass filaments. The one on the right looks like an awesome shade or combination of the 2. May I ask which brand are they?

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

The good one is a Filamentum Extrafill bronze I think. The other is one of those fancy dual filaments, but I don't recommend it, it prints terribly.

@MichaelLamas1

2 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Thank you for the information. Excellent work!

nice is god work!!!

It's a very nice design and I love the story how to .my xl arrived and the first problem I had .oke what about the filament storage and how to identify them now they arre all in a bag what is not practical. So I now how you came to the idea I. Neeed a solution for my rools of filament

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Nice! Having drawers with labels is a game changer for me. I used to look for a roll and get excited when I thought I found the perfect thing, only to find out it was the wrong type. How I can just decide what type I need to use and see what I currently have.

I love the look of it, but how much filament did you say it needs to make?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Each 'module' is around 400-450 grams of material, depending on your slicing settings. So you can get 2 modules from a 1kg roll.

Do you have to bolt it down? Seems like the upper shelf already kind of fulfills that task (counteracting torque from the drawers). Unless you're planning to open all drawers at once :D

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

In the frame section, I talk about how it's probably best to bolt it down. I have the whole thing assembled and loaded up right now and it's NOT bolted down yet. There's no chance it's tipping unless I open half of the drawers. BUT, it does feel more secure when bolted down. It depends on how many spools you have, how deep the whole thing is and how many modules you have connected. The more modules, the more secure it will be.

So you print out of the sunlu? Not the bambulab AMS?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Correct, the AMS doesn't have active drying.

really nice. but i do have 1 question, are those slides not the push to open kind? I have a set just like that, and you push it and it comes out a bit before you pull it.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

These are not push to open slides. They are traditional drawer slides, but they do fully extend (which is pretty critical) and have a soft-close feature. The push-to-open was just an extra cost I didn't feel was necessary.

@bogdanghita5033

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY super, as i said, mine look the same and it seemed like you needed to pull on them a bit, but that would be good since you want them to stay closed. :) anyways nice design

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@bogdanghita5033 Thanks!

Great idea! Looking forward to the next video! Friendly suggestion: watch the use of the word "basically". It's a filler word and adds nothing. Thanks!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Ha, I know. It's my curse. I've been doing videos for over a decade and still haven't been able to break the habit.

Not sure of your regional conditions. Where I'm from, humidity in the garage would be a huge problem for those exposed rolls.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

ANY humidity is a problem. That's why for anything critical, the filament gets put into a dryer before and during printing. Usually I'll have multiple parts to make or am prototyping a design. For instance, the ASA parts for these drawers took ~2 weeks to print in total. Even if it was dry beforehand, after 2 weeks of being out in the open, it won't be. So I just transfer to a dryer when I need to use it.

Black shelving w/ white decking (surface). Pained plywood, special product? Thanks!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

It's a modified shelving unit from home depot or lowes. Check out the full video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3mF1sd6f9zgirg.html

Really tempted to do this. Do you know if this would work with any cheaper drawer hinges?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Look at the quantity discounts. They get a LOT cheaper when you buy more than one at a time. Also, the 22" version is much cheaper, most people won't have the space for the 24" since it even extends a bit past my shelving unit even.

@MicheleFattoruso

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY i just have 24 inch on my shelf. But just realized it won't print on my 250x250 printer. 😢

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@MicheleFattorusoGotcha. Check out the printables link, someone made a remix of the frames that splits them into two pieces. I'm also working on a smaller version for 250x250mm printers.

@MicheleFattoruso

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY awesome. I'll wait. I saw there were couple remix, but they don't seem to have been tested yet. Might hold on a bit into it. But overall, I love the design. This is going g to save me so much space. I have like 200 spools trata keep crawling in every possible surface

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@MicheleFattoruso Cool, stay tuned! If you're not subscribed, maybe consider doing that so you can get updated when I come out with the slimmer version ;-)

Do all the parts need to be ABS? Itis mostly important for the frame? How about the side supports or the front and back?

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

Ideally. You could probably get by with something else for the front/rear and supports. The frame NEEDS to be something rigid that won't creep under load though.

Question... would 10 to 12" drawer slides mounted front to back on the side panels allowing for the drawer to come out the front instead of the side so that you can see the filaments better and be horizontally wall mounted be viable? I expect like you have them mounted 2 x 7 you can't see what color is in the lower row without pulling out the drawers.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I'm not really sure what you mean. If you want to see what's inside, just open the drawer. I'm making a little filament swatch thing so you can just look at the drawers to see what's inside.

@Alien3D

3 ай бұрын

@RobertCowanDIY just a use case I was thinking about while watching the video. I have hundreds of rolls and am looking for better storage options than a shoe rack or repracks. While 24" slide rails are $30, 10" are $13... so was thinking instead of the drawer pulling out the length of the rack, instead could pull out the short side that could be cheaper and give a better view of what's inside... but I do like the swatches idea as well.

How do you dry your filament when using the AMS?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I don't use the AMS for anything that needs active drying while printing.

Definitely making these Edit. Oh god you're using inches :/ Guess I'll design one from scratch

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

They were designed for metric, BUT fasteners and other hardware is really only available in inches in the US. They could EASILY be converted to fully metric if you don't have access to the hardware. In the US, you can only get PVC pipe in imperial. What would you want changed?

Just a thought, would EMT conduit have been less problematic than pvc? Less flex?

@deeply999

3 ай бұрын

You mean such as Repkord system?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Even at 24", it's more rigid than I thought it would be. The middle supports help a LOT. Fully loaded there's no flex. There's very little clearance underneath the drawer and it sags maybe 1mm max with 9 rolls.

@forestbirdoriginals4917

3 ай бұрын

@@deeply999 no. That’s an open system with the filament being stored along the length of a wall.

@forestbirdoriginals4917

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY that’s pretty good!

Does it only work with the Lanton brand drawer slides? OR will it work with cheaper options? Also, if it's unique to those drawer slides, can you provide a link?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

It MIGHT work with others, but you'd have to just look at the files and see what other options work. The Lontans are cheaper in quantity. All the links are on the printables page. I included links to ALL the hardware.

@gregs9492

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Thanks. I'll check it out, but right now, I'm just starting in 3d printing and so I don't have need for more than 1 of these units to start. I just figured with the modular nature of it, I could start with it and as my filament collection grew, I could expand.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@gregs9492For sure, that's the intention behind the design. Even after several years, I still feel the need for expansion.

nice video , love the design , to bad my printer is to small to make it 😅

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I'm going to look into trying to redesign it to be smaller, but that was the goal from the start and it just didn't work out. But I have some new ideas.

@TurtleStylez

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY awesome Very excited to see what u come up with , i HATE the wall mount holders and other 'drawer' systems waste to much space

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@TurtleStylez Thanks! Yeah, in my workshop, wall space is PREMIUM. It seemed like a waste to use so much of it for filament, and it would just be caked in dust after a few weeks. For me, this was the best solution.

@TurtleStylez

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY yeah i rent a small appartement atm so drilling in my wall is not a option , i do need to make a workspace for my printing stuff so i would add ur design to the build to store my filament below my printer

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@TurtleStylezNice, that's a good application. I was originally going to use this in a closet in my office.

Could 1x1 lumber be used in place of the pvc pipe? It would make the drawers a bit more rigid, and maybe solve the issue with smaller spools.

@xandersnyder7214

3 ай бұрын

Could use EMT conduit as well.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

It's surprisingly rigid when all the supports are in place. And I'm a guy that likes stuff VERY strudy. If it wasn't solid, I would have looked for another solution. At 24" and two middle supports each side, it's as solid as it needs to be. For smaller spools, I was just going to design little clips that go on the rails to reduce the diameter. I just don't have any smaller spools right now.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I did think about doing something like that, but I was worried about weight. As it stands, this whole thing is over 300 pounds. I think going to EMT would add a bit more weight AND it would be harder to drill/screw the bottom supports in place.

@jasondilts510

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY these will be a welcome addition to the workbench my K1 and K1 Max are on. Thank you for sharing the design files!

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@jasondilts510Of course, I'm really excited to see how people modify it and see some 'makes' show up on printables!

i think you should have 100% squared off the corners so it could be either be enclosed or open.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that would work. I included the STEP files, so it would be really easy to square off the frames.

260 MM Size requirement on the frame pieces for anyone wondering. Would have been nice to be able to keep that under 256 so they could be printed on more machines. being 260 will limit the printability to only people that have large frame machines.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was bummed by this. I tried making it smaller, but it was too many compromises. I have to machines over 300mm, so I just decided to design for a larger printer. I MIGHT look into trying to make a smaller version.

@JATdesign

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY either way I downloaded it and ordered the parts to make it. Love the design. I also have a couple large printers.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@JATdesignNice! I'm loving it so far. It's of course a trade-off not having everything immediately visible and not having it sealed, but it's MUCH nicer to decide what filament TYPE you need and just opening the right drawer. Too many times I would find one that I liked only to realize it was the wrong type, etc. And I can easily see when I get low on certain types.

Does this work for other drawer slides if we want to go longer?

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

It should. The middle supports do a pretty good job at keeping the PVC rigid, since you're relying on the actual drawer slide for support. 24" if perfectly solid.

@bpindel

2 ай бұрын

@RobertCowanDIY most drawer slides have the same profile right? To fit in the grooves of the face plate holder and the back?

@RobertCowanDIY

2 ай бұрын

@@bpindel Probably...

I'm curious what your educational background is to come up with this. Would you mind sharing?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I have a BA in Psychology. I've always found that necessity and clearly defined goals are life's best teacher. Figure out what you're looking to accomplish, break it down into pieces. Separate the pieces into things you know how to do and things you need to learn.

@farmcat3198

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Thank you for sharing. When I see channels like this, I often wonder if people come from a design background. Most of the time they don't.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@farmcat3198 For sure. I have a very informal background. That being said, I have professionally designed products and been in the electronics manufacturing industry for some time. I have no real educational background, but this is what I used to do professionally, before I became 'the man'.

I'd like to see a test proving that desiccant can't remove moisture from filament (over a long enough period of time)

👍👍

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

What do you use for a filament dryer?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I use Sunlu dryers, the ones WITHOUT the fan. I hate the fan.

@bagellord

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY I actually just started watching your video about the Sunlu S2 (which I already have in my "shop"). Thanks for the quick answer! I am queuing up your filament drying videos now.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@bagellordNice! Let me know if you have any questions!

@bagellord

3 ай бұрын

​@@RobertCowanDIY how many of them do you have/use? I currently have one, but I am thinking of getting another one and/or building an add-on for my food dehydrator that I already use for another hobby (it never gets used for food)

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@bagellordI have 3 Sunlu V2s.

If I have to dry every filament while I print, I can't use an AMS

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

How do you handle it now? Just using desiccant doesn't actually 'dry' anything, it just prevents additional moisture. Even brand new spools can have moisture. I've had many failed prints over the years trusting 'sealed' spools. If it's critical to have dry filament, I dry ahead of printing.

What kind of shelf do you have it sitting on?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

It's a modified shelving unit from home depot or lowes. Check out the full video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3mF1sd6f9zgirg.html

@jacory1980

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY thanks love your work

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@jacory1980 awww, thank you.

how did you print that out of asa so that it doesn't warp?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

I made a whole video on that a couple weeks ago. Check it out and consider subscribing ;-) kzread.info/dash/bejne/maOGmK2bmszPmJs.htmlsi=LPXJBrqf58qN1kv8

@donald1792

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIYgot my sub, thanks

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@donald1792I appreciate it!

Does petg printing hold up?

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately not. PETG is WAY too flexible. You need something that's both rigid that won't creep. If you check out this video I did on ASA, in the second chapter, you can see how flexible the PETG frames are. With this much weight, it would just buckle: kzread.info/dash/bejne/maOGmK2bmszPmJs.htmlsi=2wZAI9DicXOc7A95

@Yonbii91

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY Unfortunately I have an open printer.

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@Yonbii91 I printed all of these on a Prusa XL, which is open. I used a $4 shower curtain, check out the video. You can absolutely hack something together that will work: kzread.info/dash/bejne/maOGmK2bmszPmJs.html You might want to consider subscribing so you don't miss any content ;-) Thanks for the comment!

@Yonbii91

3 ай бұрын

@@RobertCowanDIY I'm more worried about toxicity

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

@@Yonbii91Yeah, fair point. I wish there was a good alternative to ABS or ASA, but if you need structural rigidity, it's really the best option right now.

I keep the rolls in bags, I don’t think they would fit here

@RobertCowanDIY

3 ай бұрын

Correct. I did consider that, but that's a LOT of plastic bags. I STILL actively dry while printing, so the bag is just extra plastic and hassle. but that's just me!