I wonder how many other literary classics are just a story loosely wrapped around Author Insert Fetish Porn

@occasionalart7597

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, The Divine Comedy was basically a glorified self-insert fanfic

@starbomber

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think you'd be surprised...

@sineadthomas2024

4 жыл бұрын

Oedipus Rex

@RycoreXIII

4 жыл бұрын

@YourThoughtCriminal I mean 1984 is actually... good.

@jaxsocarin9397

4 жыл бұрын

Holy shiz JELLO??!!

I feel like Heinlein was writing a story about a super powered alien coming to earth and learning its customs but then he got distracted and started writing about his sexual fantasies.

@nymphrodellsalavin

3 жыл бұрын

That's about the reading experience, yeah

@stanleyjforrest

3 жыл бұрын

That is objectively true. I was such a devoted worshipper at the altar of Heinlein when I read this that I actually failed to recognize my own disappointment w/ the last half of the novel. Decades later, I can finally see what a bizarre, bigoted perv he was.

@sevencool2266

3 жыл бұрын

The story started out strong with a commentary about corrupt officials, likable characters and cool world building. But instead of paying attention to these interesting concepts, Heinlein makes turned the story into Charles Manson saves the world.

@trexlord1

3 жыл бұрын

It is rumored he started taking LSD when writing this book

@bobthegamingtaco6073

3 жыл бұрын

"Here I had my first draft of my deep, philosophical debate with a stranger from the stars, and here I had my personal kink story filled with massive amounts of naked women who all want me, but I accidentally sent them both to the publisher IN THE SAME ENVELOPE!" (Jk it was prolly intentional, but I like to live in a world where it isn't because it's funny, instead of DEAR GOODNESS WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT)

An alien who doesn't laugh laughing for the first time at the sight of the cycle of abuse is legitimately creepy

@stevetennispro

9 ай бұрын

The Three Stooges enters the chat. ;)

@donfunk6613

9 ай бұрын

Heinlein is legitimately creepy. Still in my top five favorite science-fiction writers.

@ZeAwesomeHobo

6 ай бұрын

Not just an alien, but also the actual incarnation of an archangel. Not alarming at all.

@TesIaNikola

5 ай бұрын

I feel like it makes sense in context. Also that one part was one of the only compelling observations. Mike could not laugh because he had been told that funny things were a “goodness”. His realization was that laughing is the goodness, which we do in response to wrongness. I haven’t thought of too many examples, but a lot of jokes off the top of my head boil down to some sort of wrongness. Often not overt moral wrongness, but stuff that just isn’t correct. The main problem I had with it is that this moment was when he claimed to fully grok being human and that he grokked love. Seems kinda nontrivial to me to go from monkeys hitting each other and laughing yo understanding love.

@AlexMunz-bg3bc

3 ай бұрын

@donfunk6613 He somehow manages to write really good fiction in the exact opposite genre he was going for.

This feels like a fanfic that switched writers halfway through.

@fandomcringebucket

Жыл бұрын

My Immortal?

@chenjohnson2787

Жыл бұрын

Part 1: Written on a good trip. Part 2: Written on meth.

@skem9622

Жыл бұрын

accurate

@theoctopus9994

Жыл бұрын

It got kinda silly after all the women kissed him and swooned. Am starting chapter 18

@guyinbluu

Жыл бұрын

IMO it's closer to seeing the train headlights slowly glow brighter against the school bus

“That’s not an old one, that’s a corpse nobody’s eaten yet.” Sentences I never expected to hear for 400

@waffogram7280

4 жыл бұрын

What is "incorrect HP Lovecraft quotes"?

@DeathnoteBB

4 жыл бұрын

Waffogram Correct! You win Jeapordy

@dem0nich0ursuwo60

4 жыл бұрын

Now I want to make jeopardy just with osp quotes

@DeathnoteBB

4 жыл бұрын

I’m tired B. That would actually be hilarious

@seraph8980

4 жыл бұрын

Hey a LA BB murder case reference!

First half: "wow, this could be a movie" Second half: "wow, this could be a *porn* movie"

@jeremyrossi2716

3 жыл бұрын

nome sobrenome or a smutty fanfic

@MarkiusFox

3 жыл бұрын

I think it should be...but only if done right. Speilberg won't touch it, high doubts about J.J. Abrams touching it, but absolutely NO ONE from the objectivist --films-- trainwrecks should come close to it.

@OsvaldoChannel1

3 жыл бұрын

Me: "so.... This could be an Anime?"

@elliotayden3944

3 жыл бұрын

This sucks: the homophobic cultist guide to being a prick

@jeremyrossi2716

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, but for real; take out the homophobia, sexism, and racism; this would be a cult classic anime

tl;dr: Heinlein wrote a book about a powerful alien coming to Earth and learning about humanity as an outsider, but unfortunately he only had one hand on the typewriter while he did it.

@laraschroeder5195

Жыл бұрын

OH EW 😆

@MeloraCarabas

9 ай бұрын

This comment is the best description of this book that I've ever read. This video is a close second

@wandab3843

8 ай бұрын

Yep

@JasonTheFavorite

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, he writes most of his books like that

@Tatianna1143

3 ай бұрын

Oh God I get it That's both hilarious and deeply troubling

It’s nice to see that in the book humans have evolved enough that the argument “Mike can’t own Mars because there’s already other people living there” is actually accepted, because historically, a place already being inhabited unfortunately hasn’t been enough to stop people from claiming that they own it anyway

@benduford3746

10 ай бұрын

The fact that martians can disappear things is probably a pretty strong deterrent.

@joshuasgameplays9850

9 ай бұрын

This is literally the only good message ever said in this entire book

@sentryogmixmaster

9 ай бұрын

it's called conquering....it's what people do.

@joshuasgameplays9850

9 ай бұрын

@@sentryogmixmaster ok and?

@geekgirl_luv4262

8 ай бұрын

@@sentryogmixmaster Just because people do it doesn’t make it not bad. Murder is also a thing that people do, and it is obviously still bad.

"This is never explained, I think it's just something Heinlein is into" literally the entire book

@CasualNotice

4 жыл бұрын

If you can't get the female members of your sex cult to enact the ultimate twin fantasy, then what's the point of even being a cult leader/archangel?

@powerthunfischdesdonners3086

4 жыл бұрын

@@CasualNotice its the "my oc is better than all, so am I !" thing

@roseofoulesfame

4 жыл бұрын

@@CasualNotice "TWINS, BASIL! TWINS!!!"

@alanivar2752

4 жыл бұрын

I mean...can ya blame him?

@blarg2429

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanivar2752 Yes.

"And then in the third act, he starts a sex cult." Zeus could never-

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231

4 жыл бұрын

At least he didn’t encourage his followers to do it veraciously. That is Aphrodites job

@siawsebastian9089

4 жыл бұрын

*Surprised Pikachu Face*

@FlfyDfy

4 жыл бұрын

Ngl I'd join that cult

@AROBASPARK

4 жыл бұрын

Well, to be fair, Zeus would be first in line to join. Will be drown in Demi Gods and Hera's personal vendettas on the little bastards for ages.

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231

4 жыл бұрын

@@FlfyDfy I already have

I’m officially an adult now and can watch this video without hurting Red’s conscience. Finally.

@concept5631

6 ай бұрын

Nice

@ivoryas1696

6 ай бұрын

@astoroidea6502 Huh. Now that I think about it, witnessing this video before the age of 🧓 would be pretty _strange,_ fr.

@DoriZuza

6 ай бұрын

Happy birthday

@hakulives2613

4 ай бұрын

Congrats! Was it everything you dreamed of?

@jajajasputin8927

4 ай бұрын

Was it worth it my newly eldered friend?

“THATS the story? That was just the authors barely concealed fetish”

@danthiel8623

11 ай бұрын

truth

@augustdice3914

10 ай бұрын

Oh yeah… he was a known nudist and big proponent of poly relationships….. dude was… super weird… and sexist. Important to remember how much of what he wrote had not been written like that before anywhere near the main stream… his ideas seem blasé to us now…. But that’s cause we built modern sci fi on him, Asimov, and Clarke. All three of whom were batshit insane academics…. The other two just knew how to not write so blatantly about how insanely horny they where at all times……

@gramfero

3 ай бұрын

barely concealed? really?

@xenon8927

Ай бұрын

Barely feels like an overstatement

@cryo1195

25 күн бұрын

What do you mean barely?!

Time for some deep thoughts with Heinlein: "Being gay... is gay... and that is not cool" This concludes deep thoughts with Heinlein.

@xXevilsmilesXx

4 жыл бұрын

lol, says the asexual. xD

@129das

4 жыл бұрын

Being a women is cool only if your hot and naked.

@valencia_mua20

4 жыл бұрын

129das that is definitely a title of a Panic at the Disco song

@holyinquisitor7003

4 жыл бұрын

Oof I was too late

@alisoncircus

4 жыл бұрын

Really tired of experts on Heinlein who have, at most, read one book once.

“Heterosexual love, the one thing unique to the human race” love that this implies all aliens are gay

@richmcgee434

4 жыл бұрын

Or that aliens have asexual reproductive systems. Or maybe aren't stuck in one sex their whole lives. Or that they don't breed at all during their lives but when they die they pump out a bunch of spores that combine with others to make the next generation. Or have lots and lots of sexes, and maybe get different results depending on which ones are involved in creating any given offspring. I remember a good short story about an entire ecosystem where everything was one species with a kajillion sexes, all with extreme polymorphism between them, and which things bred with what determined whether you got offspring that looked like bug-analogs, plant-analogs, beasties that carried other sessile sexes around, etc, etc. Terrestrial sex, gender, and reproductive options may seem complicated, but they're the tip of the iceberg in terms of potential. Dying to see what our machine-intelligence inheritors come up with - beyond "copy-paste" that is. :)

@jjthirteen9857

4 жыл бұрын

I ain't becoming an astronaut, cuz space is gay

@katemartin113

4 жыл бұрын

listen aliens are all non-binary pansexuals, valid

@theatergeekrevolution7177

4 жыл бұрын

J J thirteen that’s your loss

@theatergeekrevolution7177

4 жыл бұрын

Katie Martin you. you get it.

Red: "Which I'm sure real astrolagers would never do" The time-travelling goat-fish: ...

@luigiboi4244

Жыл бұрын

*There is no Time-Traveling Goat-Fish in Ba Sing Se*

@positivelink6961

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this joke. The cult of the time traveling goatfish appreciates your contribution

@adilrahman6881

9 ай бұрын

@@luigiboi4244 Why does this make me laugh so much? That's some talent you have.

@stevetennispro

9 ай бұрын

@@positivelink6961 That cult is the... G.O.A.T.! ;)

The way Red describes it, this book would actually work remarkably well as a dark comedy.

@Viewable11

Жыл бұрын

It is a dark comedy. It is a satire on the prude and religious and superstitious and intolerant US society of the 1950s.

@CortexNewsService

11 ай бұрын

That's pretty much what they did with Starship Troopers.

@donfunk6613

9 ай бұрын

I think the novel is a dark comedy.

@taylorfisher3944

7 ай бұрын

It is, most Heinlein is. Job a comedy of Justice is exactly that.

@MattMcIrvin

3 күн бұрын

It is supposed to be funny. The thing is, the laughs are supposed to come from your instinctive understanding that Robert Heinlein is right about everything and everyone opposed to his ideas is silly.

You skipped over the part where Jill says that its the victims fault when they are raped, so yeah consent really isn't a thing the book cares about.

@yasminafarih3681

4 жыл бұрын

..... .... ....... *WHAT??*

@falconJB

4 жыл бұрын

@@yasminafarih3681 When Jill becomes a stripper she tells Mike not to disappear any of the men no matter what they do because "9 times out of 10 when a woman gets raped it's partly her own fault," so the man hasn't done anything wrong.

@yasminafarih3681

4 жыл бұрын

@@falconJB //vomit noises

@Vassilinia

4 жыл бұрын

Is it time for another *DEEP THOUGHTS WITH HEINLEIN* ?

@uria3679

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine if this book was released during the second half of this decade

"So this is my religion." "Not interested." "It involves sex." *"I like your words, funny magic man."*

@airplanes_aren.t_real

3 жыл бұрын

No gay sex Pass

@nickcoffee4327

2 жыл бұрын

Nut

@kenthefele113

2 жыл бұрын

"You son of a bitch, I'm in."

@craytherlaygaming2852

2 жыл бұрын

Aliester? is that you?

I had a girlfriend whose favorite book was "Stranger in a Strange Land". She philosophically based a lot of her lifestyle around it. I didn't understand why our relationship was so one sided until I read it some years after we broke up.

@schrodingerscat3741

Жыл бұрын

Oh boy

@leonhardeuler7647

11 ай бұрын

I am scared to ask but what did she do?

@LuckySketches

11 ай бұрын

​@@leonhardeuler7647Start a cult, probably.

@aidanmargarson8910

9 ай бұрын

ok the key advice one should take from this .. if you have a girlfriend who has a favorite book etc., first thing read the book .. just saying

@sentientmustache8360

7 ай бұрын

@@leonhardeuler7647do you really wish to know?

She left out the part where the main female lead LITERALLY tells Mike not to kill r***sts because "9 out of 10 times when a woman gets r***d, it's at least partially her fault." That was the part where I put the book down.

@wuraolaolagunju

11 ай бұрын

Good lord!😬

@destroyerofturtles5024

10 ай бұрын

😳😳😳

@V1ncenz010

10 ай бұрын

You took to long to put the book down At the moment this started you should have known this is f*cked up

@szymonkozowski5241

10 ай бұрын

She mentioned that in thier podcast, she wanted to put it in, but didn’t, it’s explained why in the podcast and I’m not saying it now, because it deserves to have larger audience and you all should check it out. And also because I forgot. But mostly the first thing.

@cmarano

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for reminding me of this. I'd forgotten Bob's views of a LOT of topics were positively prehistoric. (That's code for he could be a real @hole sometimes).

“T-posing psychic nudist colony with rage-eyed Heinlein censor bars” is the most cursed thing I’ve seen all month.

@pathfindersavant3988

4 жыл бұрын

Cursed? Or blessed? Afterall, how can any T-pose be more dominant than this one considering it was great enough to show dominance against lovecraftian Martians?

@mjuzumaki

4 жыл бұрын

@Justin Bergeron you mean "blursed"?

@silverthered811

4 жыл бұрын

I might be wrong, but theyre also t posing on the fludd from halo so now its even more cursed

@aegisScale

4 жыл бұрын

This entire book is probably the most cursed classic I've experienced. No wonder such insane imagery came from it.

@zackdole6474

4 жыл бұрын

Bob the Monitor That is a sentence I thought I would never read

“Cannibalism good, homosexuality bad” -Heinlein; a very “”big brain boy””

@martinmarvinofsparta3656

4 жыл бұрын

Big Brain Time

@janfungusamon4926

4 жыл бұрын

@@dropdead234 citation? That sounds really interesting.

@ConstantlyDamaged

4 жыл бұрын

@@dropdead234 See, if it's a joke that nobody got, it's not actually a joke-it's just a poor attempt at humor.

@TheGribblesnitch

4 жыл бұрын

Are those quotations a typo? Why’re they there

@mistershadier8577

4 жыл бұрын

Darthane Still if it is true he made it as a joke I think it means the guy can’t write comedy

"This is never explained, I think it's just something Heinlein is into" A lot of it really was. A little known fact about Heinlein at the time was that his personal life was really really out there, even by 60’s standards, and he was getting old by then. Also his fortune was made by writing juvenile fiction which was mostly advertised by its insertion into school libraries which meant he had to suck up to librarian associations which were made up of the most prudish people on the planet. For most of his life he was in the closet in *so* many ways, almost oddly not including being gay. So Starship Troopers was Heinlein saying goodbye to the Juveniles, and Stranger was basically Heinlein coming out. As pretty much everything weird *except* gay.

@DDlambchop43

Жыл бұрын

I finally read the book, and I couldn't agree more. There's parts that are a bit cringey, but tbh it's not a bad scifi story. It's just a victim of the time period it was written.

@AdlaiArnold

Жыл бұрын

Considering he went on to write shit like Time Enough For Love, in which a dude goes back in time and knowingly and enthusiastically has sex with his own mother...yeah, that tracks.

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

​@@AdlaiArnold That's messed up. It makes Fry's "nasty in the past-y" moment seem perfectly innocent.

@Glittersword

11 ай бұрын

I saw no problem when you consider the Howards had a whole other definition of insest. The key was how many dangerous combinations the genes could have. Since they both had clean genetic strains they could not pass on bad mutations. They would consider two unrelated people who would not mix well to be incestuous. Interesting outlook. The whole concept behind the taboo is to prevent inbreeding. They eliminated the possibility totally beforehand.

@cmarano

10 ай бұрын

@@Glittersword Yeah, tell it to the Hapsburgs. What's considerated a 'bad' trait is debatable.

"And Ben, who IS saying No to a lot of this is being treated like he'll learn or come around" as an aro/ace I can relate

@lunaequinox7333

10 ай бұрын

Reasons it took me 18 years to realize I was asexual Reason #1: That quote

@thefrenchtaunter7916

3 ай бұрын

didnt ask

@just_unnamed

3 ай бұрын

@@thefrenchtaunter7916 then simply ignore my comment and move on with your life. It's not that hard

@thefrenchtaunter7916

Ай бұрын

@@just_unnamed no

@mariaindiasalvatierra2687

12 күн бұрын

​@@thefrenchtaunter7916 then it sounds like a you problem ngl.

This book is basically "They had us in the first half, not gonna lie" meme in novel form.

@AsdfAsdf-mi6ks

4 жыл бұрын

Chamily Vasquez-Mendez the first half was SO GOOD.

@AsdfAsdf-mi6ks

4 жыл бұрын

Chamily Vasquez-Mendez second half ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@SenorFluffy

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah who would want a cool sci-fi novel with good world building and an interesting outlook on human nature when we can have a sex cult on acid?

@Jobe-13

4 жыл бұрын

Chamily Vasquez-Mendez 😂

@m4sherman926

4 жыл бұрын

Asdf Asdf and the third half...

Jill: Dont be attractive to men. Be more masculine. Ancient Greece: Am I a joke to you?

@a-drewg1716

3 жыл бұрын

hey man it is more masculine because you are dominating another man, what is more masculine then that.

@derronmendel9650

3 жыл бұрын

Because, to quote Red, what's manlier than *TWO MEN*

@trolldrool

3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing Heinlein adhered to the belief that being a gay man must mean you're feminine and that by that logic gay men would only be attracted to feminine men.

@mackereltabbie

3 жыл бұрын

or, you know: Actual gays: are we a joke to you?

@timothymclean

3 жыл бұрын

@@trolldrool Or Heinlein assumed all men were attracted to feminine beauty, because that's just how men's minds work. Heinlein tried to be progressive, at least relative to his time, but he had some serious unexamined essentialism clogging up his brain drain.

for the first half I was like "huh, this is neat, maybe they have it in the school library", then I got to the 2nd half

@alexwork4829

Жыл бұрын

They had it at my High school library. That's where I read it.

@manfredvonrichthofen214

Жыл бұрын

@@alexwork4829 I did check mine but it wasn't there

@shadestained

10 ай бұрын

this was in my *elementary school* library. ...i'm very glad i got bored and put it back like, three pages in.

If I had the power to make a movie adaptation of any book, I'd make an extremely gay, extremely modern version of Stranger in a Strange Land with the purpose of making Heinlein spin in his grave so fast, he could power the Texas power grid.

@catbatrat1760

Жыл бұрын

"making Heinlein spin in his grave so fast, he could power the Texas power grid." This made me picture some straight-up Bethesda shit and made me laugh. Thank you for that.

@swordofstabbing

Жыл бұрын

@@catbatrat1760 Bethesda valve source creation engine

@REMSleep-kd3zv

Жыл бұрын

No no no this book deserves no attention, let die like a bad fire man

@xavi-kun

Жыл бұрын

I’m fuckin sorry but I lost it at “making Heinlein spin in his grave so fast he could power the Texas power grid”

@ProjectXA3

Жыл бұрын

lol lord knows they could use the backup supply, and what could be more quintessentially Texan than an independent power grid fuelled by incandescent homophobia

"There used to be a fifth planet between Earth and Jupiter that the Martians decided shouldn't exist anymore and that's why there's an asteroid belt instead." Okay but why couldn't the book have been about that That's a story in and of itself

@teogonzalez7957

3 жыл бұрын

I know right, that’s like a one sentence horror story.

@johnpooky84

3 жыл бұрын

Marvin's first test of the "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator".

@QuikVidGuy

3 жыл бұрын

mystery

@andythedishwasher1117

3 жыл бұрын

Try Spirit Science's The Sumerian Epic for better info on that whole debacle.

@jasonreed7522

3 жыл бұрын

Irl the asteroid belt is a failed planet, its just iirc jupiter moved too close messing up the orbits before moving back to its current position. But i agree a story centered on the destruction of that planet and subsequent asteroid belt formation would be more interesting.

Basically: “my fetishes and homophobia are totally normal and I understand women more than women do if you disagree you’re a poser prep- I mean, brainwashed”

@dylanchouinard6141

4 жыл бұрын

Do not compare the genius of Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way to this proto-boomer nonsense.

@iluan_

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe that's a libertarian thing? Ayn Rand does this exact same thing. Jay Naylor does almost the same thing, except without the homophobia because he is probably bisexual.

@robinchesterfield42

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylanchouinard6141 Yeah, weirdly enough I find My Immortal WAY more readable than this. I mean, put it this way: My Immortal at least makes me laugh. A LOT. THIS book made me struggle to get all the way through it and wonder what the beep was WRONG with sci-fi fans of the '60s...

@dylanchouinard6141

4 жыл бұрын

Robin Chesterfield At least content wise, even ignoring the grammar and spelling issues, I much prefer My Immortal to this. My Immortal was probably written by a child, someone with little experience in writing and who wanted to be what her subculture defines as cool, as many do around her age. Heinlein, in contrast, was 54 when he wrote Stranger in a Strange Land.

@adajanetta1

4 жыл бұрын

@@robinchesterfield42 Drugs mostly. If I recall correctly. But it was the 60s, so...

I like to think all the people Mike disappeared end up in another story somewhere. Like, imagine a story that has nothing to do with Stranger or Heinlein and these random people keep poofing out of nowhere, rambling about some naked Martian cannibal. 😂

@GSBarlev

9 ай бұрын

I'm sure he didn't originate the concept, but _The Cat Who Walked Through Walls_ was Heinlein going full Multiverse, so this checks out.

@Tom_Losh

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like something Philip José Farmer would write, as a series, uh, sort of like the "Riverworld" series ... 😉

@MGSchmahl

25 күн бұрын

​​​​@@GSBarlevI thought it was _Number of the Beast_ that had the weird mutliverse stuff.

@MattMcIrvin

3 күн бұрын

​"The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" has a similar kind of structure: the first half of it is a fairly entertaining sequel to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", then it goes *sproing* and is suddenly a metafictional sequel to "The Number of the Beast", with crossover appearances from Jubal Harshaw and Lazarus Long, and an incredibly creepy scene about how hot 14-year-old girls are.

I started reading the book and Gill’s introduction is not exaggerated in the video it literally says “GILLIAN BOARDMAN was a competent nurse and her hobby was men.” 😂

first act michael: soft boy, precious son. Protect Him. second act michael: [CENSORED]

@paultedtaotao4357

3 жыл бұрын

Third act Michael: murder spree

@theartisthasarrived

3 жыл бұрын

Fourth act michael: Angel Michael

@InsaneGreatsword

2 жыл бұрын

This comment reminds me of the Oversimplified joke with Rasputin [CENSORED][CENSORED][CENSORED]

@alubaludaplayz4989

2 жыл бұрын

5th act Michael: DeStRuCtIoNN

@vintheguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@InsaneGreatsword Yes, but this is actually good

Nobody: Heinlein: “Homosexuality is gay”

@arandomcomment1092

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Heinlein, and the water is indeed wet.

@someotherworldlybeing3167

3 жыл бұрын

Well most of it is

@shirley241

3 жыл бұрын

And people die when they are killed

@PudgyMoogle

3 жыл бұрын

@Mrimchaelson Water is moist. Fire is hot.

@valenluca3253

3 жыл бұрын

Ofoers You're mom is not hot.

I hate how this could've been such an interesting story about Michael learning about Earth and humanity learning about Mars and Mike learning to live with his superpowers but Heinlein had to make it about weird sex stuff

@j3ssthealien283

Жыл бұрын

Honestly that's why a pet project of mine is creating the martians and their culture whit a story of Michael growing up with them and having to adapt because he doesn't have the physical characteristics of a Martian.

@eugeniabukhman8533

5 ай бұрын

We were robbed by the story's own dang author

Can we appreciate how talented red is?!? Like she can sing, draw, I assume she’s the one who plays guitar at the end, and she’s also funny as hell

@j3ssthealien283

Жыл бұрын

She is I think in one of the April fools or a livestream she pulled out the guitar and played

@ivoryas1696

6 ай бұрын

@hannahmotley1863 -*Skilled-

@seeleunit2000

2 ай бұрын

Yep, she's amazing. 😊☮️

So according to this book, the meaning of life, the world, the universe and everything isn't 42. It's 69

@Vorloks

3 жыл бұрын

You genius bastard lmfao

@missizette7017

3 жыл бұрын

*Slow clapping*

@ericpraline

3 жыл бұрын

No towels then?

@eef1309

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericpraline Oh you always need a towel

@eef1309

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vorloks Why thank you internet stranger

"Maybe shes born with it" "Maybe is Hedonism" Has got to be some of the best background lines ever 😂

"This is never explained, I think it's just something Heinlein is into." That could be the cover blurb on pretty much every one of his novels. And to think, this one was written BEFORE he got into to his "weird old horndog" phase!

@violetbean8928

8 ай бұрын

BEFORE? what the hell did he write afterwards?

@yogore

8 ай бұрын

@@violetbean8928 If I say "time-travelling nudist polycule (with bonus self-insert fanfic)" or "man decides not to kill himself yet because he's horny for his mother," it sounds like I'm making it up on the spot, but those novels were published in 1980 and 1973, respectively...

@MattMcIrvin

3 күн бұрын

I think midway through this book is the exact moment Late Heinlein appears, fully formed. Now, after this he still wrote some things that were more like Early Heinlein (he isn't Late Heinlein full-time until 1970), but he clearly had Late Heinlein on call.

You know, this story actually has some cool ideas in it. It’s just everything else that screws it up. I will compliment Red for the attempt to make it hysterical rather than uncomfortable, but dang. Heinlein was one weird guy.

@willmcgonigle3107

Жыл бұрын

She over exagerates massively and skips the good parts, she focuses on 3 lines for a quarter of the video and does not cover anything the book was actually trying to say

@DonutCare564

10 ай бұрын

​@@willmcgonigle3107what was the book actually trying to say then lol

@augustdice3914

10 ай бұрын

@@DonutCare564a lot of shit… mostly that it’s author is insanely weird and somehow only slightly problematic for his time. What is skipped is how fascinating and fresh what he wrote was. This video covered how crazy he was, but now how prolific of a sci fi writer he was. This wasn’t awarded a Hugo award and became on of the greatest selling sci fi novels of all time because it was what she said it was, it did that in spite of it, or at least adjacent to it….. the book actually started as a modern and adult version of The Jungle Book, by Kipling. It gets crazier when you realize that this book did exceedingly well among those of the counter culture movement (beatniks and hippies)…. Honestly, this pre internet/post nuke era was batshit insane all around.

@ramblingwhitedog7346

9 ай бұрын

Crud, now y’all have gotten me to go read it. Good on you for inspiring me to broaden my mind.

@DDlambchop43

6 ай бұрын

@@willmcgonigle3107 she isn't exaggerating that much, and she hits the weirder points dead on. When was the last time YOU read the book?

Mike: is perfectly ok with gay people Everyone else: bUt WhY wOuLd yUo dO ThAt

@JimmehRulez

4 жыл бұрын

OoHHOH

@hp22h78

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously... The whole point is that this Martian is not bound by society and knows the truth of this world, yet even he initially didn't care about gay people til the society he's supposedly fighting against tell him he's wrong..!

@haru5257

4 жыл бұрын

Okay idea: rewrite the book but make it gay

@starsheep1140

4 жыл бұрын

@@haru5257 this would actually work bc the anti gay part doesn't affect anything in the narrative

@devonlee5298

4 жыл бұрын

@@hp22h78 When I read it I took the whole anti gay stuff was that even the people closest to Mike didn't fully understand that his teachings meant, that they were still holding onto their past way of life. Then I learned about the writer. :(

Every time theres a "Deep Thoughts with Heinlein" you slowly begin to understand and feel the pain of the bystanders listening to the philosopher with agonizing looks on their faces in that greek painting

@kidauggie

3 жыл бұрын

that's Socrates killing himself my man. Feel like that context only adds to "Deep Thoughts with Heinlein" portions.

@AnInsaneOstrich

3 жыл бұрын

@Corvus Morve I prefer the idea that it's actually Heinlein and everyone is in despair about his awful-I mean GREAT ideas on everything.

@FIRING_BLIND

3 жыл бұрын

That's a painting of Sokrates you uncultured swine. Don't you go insulting the OG philosopher

@thegamerzoologist2705

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sry bystanders this guy is f**k

@gilcesarpereira3171

3 жыл бұрын

@@microchip9982 this sentence is a grammatical disgust

Fun fact: Some people who liked this book went out and actually founded the Church of All Worlds. It is a real organization now that you can join. (I have no idea how true to the novel it is. I'm guessing they won't actually give you phenominal psionic powers.)

@markpashia7067

9 ай бұрын

No but they will try to screw it into you and claim the failure is you not committed to sharing yourself enough. Lots of divorces based upon the jealousy between couples who joined it with one embracing it more than the other.

the whole "I am God/thou art God"-thing becomes actually hilarious when you know that the name 'Michael' is a question, and the question is "who is like God?" But the question is rhetorical, bc no one is like God. ten bucks says Heinlein did that on purpose and if not, I'm going to throw things bc thats _even funnier_ Also Michael's other name being Valentine probably should have been a hint as to where this story was going-

@ReeveProductions

9 ай бұрын

According to the intro I read most of the important character names were chosen like that.

@lorierush6561

8 ай бұрын

​@@ReeveProductions I read that too. I was going to make that comment.

"Cannibalism is actually fine so long as that cannibalism is _never gay_ " This concludes Deep Thoughts with Heinlein

@raspberrycrowns9494

4 жыл бұрын

Is cannibalism gay? I mean you're basically eating a huMAN

@melvinmerkelhopper5752

4 жыл бұрын

@@raspberrycrowns9494 Look up Armin Miewes.

@batshineman174

4 жыл бұрын

The thing about Heinlein being homophobic is that I don't think he actually was or at least wasn't in the traditional sense. After becoming familiar with many of Heinleins books and short stories I seriously don't think that he views being gay as evil or a sin like most homophobic idiots and (I'm not joking) instead views it as being counterproductive to the survival of the human race since unlike most heterosexual love if left to it's own devices it won't most likely result in a human being born. We need to keep in mind that this was written during the 60's and that overpopulation wasn't nearly as big of an issue as it is today.

@Moonstar79

4 жыл бұрын

@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 Oh dang

@melvinmerkelhopper5752

4 жыл бұрын

@@Moonstar79 You looked it up didn't you?

The superpeople T-Posing on the Martians is the best thing I've ever seen.

@mistertea603

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't even question it but now I... Dammit...

@notthechosenjuan2413

4 жыл бұрын

T-pose for dominance

@Dot.17

4 жыл бұрын

Here's a like....

@felis1977

4 жыл бұрын

I must say I don't remember that part of the book. Must read again :)

@euansmith3699

4 жыл бұрын

I wondered if it was a reference to the Source Wall in Jack Kirby's "New Gods" Comics.

This book is actually a speculative dystopian vision of the future In which jared leto's cult grows in power

I’m unsure if this was purposeful but at 10:10, Michael is depicted with a traditional version of a Christian angelic halo, where in older art pieces halos weren’t any sort of rings but rather circles of holy bright light behind the head. If it was purposeful, insanely cool foreshadowing to Michael somehow being an archangel

Man, I bet asexuality would really grind Heinlein's gears.

@Skipmunk85

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly i think most reasonable things would grind his gears

@xenon8927

3 жыл бұрын

his gears are whetstones slapping together at random, all they do is grind

@jayce1850

3 жыл бұрын

Especially homoromantic asexuals.

@MrK00n

3 жыл бұрын

Probably not. He was a pretty chill dude.

@QuikVidGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 well your first problem is that those aren't what those words mean

“So in case you were questioning the morality of his actions, it’s fine because he was an Angel the whole time. WEEEE.” So was Satan and look how he turned out.

@falconJB

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but Mike goes back up to heaven to resume his angelic duties once he is done 'fixing' Earth.

@alanivar2752

4 жыл бұрын

Satan is Best Angel

@Scotch20

4 жыл бұрын

You do realize Heinlein has never actually associated a portrayal of heaven with objective good?

@blarg2429

4 жыл бұрын

@@Scotch20 I'd argue that Stranger In A Strange Land is an example of him doing exactly that.

@marcuswestphal4955

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanivar2752 mmmm ah you see tho.. you know what I'm gonna not say anything.

14:18 "They're just trying to show people the truth". If she meant the NAKED truth, then yeah they clearly succeded.

"He realises comedy is built on pain." Me who laughs at a deep fried picture of a lettuce if a reverberating voice calls it a cabbage instead: Am I pain?

Michael: “I learned some very important lessons from all of this” Everyone: “I’m guessing they’re all horrible distortions on the lessons you should have learned” Michael: “Death isn’t real and I’m basically god” Everyone: “Yeah that is so much worse”

@learnmore8771

4 жыл бұрын

@@ecrusar5216 I second this sentiment

@ProfessorFanatic

4 жыл бұрын

To Human Being: Glad to see another fan of the Door Monster. That was from "Self-Fulfilling Idiocy 3", wasn't it?

@yuristyrkas8001

4 жыл бұрын

Spectacular reference.

@TheWildmanden

4 жыл бұрын

This comment cannot be liked enough

@christianketterling7590

4 жыл бұрын

Can't like enough!

This feels like a hybrid between 60's ideals and a really weird anime.

@129das

4 жыл бұрын

Better say Hentai Anime is better then that. Hentai just does whatever.

@JoshSweetvale

4 жыл бұрын

That's Heinlein for ya.

@SeanFlynnNB

4 жыл бұрын

That's a bit backwards. _Stranger_ was published in 1961, so it's more like it *informed* 60's ideals and really weird anime. For all the reactionary stuff Red calls out, it was surprisingly popular among the hippies.

@redstreak1

4 жыл бұрын

I think that creepily, but astutely, sums it up!

@garrett8408

4 жыл бұрын

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave.

The fact that it's not framed as a horror story in a way makes it even more horrifying. Pity that wasn't on purpose.

8:36 can we all just, sit an appreciate how adorable this is? They don’t understand fully but still do it because it’s important to their lil space buddy 😭

@bloodhoundo9320

8 ай бұрын

this book really should've stuck to the theming of the beginning instead of going all sex cult

“Are you one of those females that they keep talking about?” “Can’t you teeeeeeellllll?” *he actually can’t*

@ninjabluefyre3815

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball?

@chocomuffin7433

3 жыл бұрын

NinjaBluefyre ?

@R0-83-RT

3 жыл бұрын

@@chocomuffin7433 In early DragonBall Goku couldn't tell the difference between boys and girls.

@PRGME7

3 жыл бұрын

Choco Chipzzz this reads like ASDFmovie

@chocomuffin7433

3 жыл бұрын

R0-83-RT oh

The artists depiction of Michael as a soft femboy martian really furthering the realization of how anime this plot is.

@orionriftclan2727

3 жыл бұрын

I'ma just take Michael real quick

@silvertam911

3 жыл бұрын

⁰00⁰0

@animequeen9711

3 жыл бұрын

Nah anime would be all for gay and bisexuality. couldn't be

@tiiimmmm__

3 жыл бұрын

@@animequeen9711 i mean not really?? there isn’t that much anime with LGBT characters-

@lolaby2

3 жыл бұрын

I was maybe, actually, rooting for our fantastical little jelly bean 🥺 well up until the sex cult dlc.

The absolutely best part of this video is "Deep Thoughts with Heinlein". The music, the visuals, the tone change! *(chef's kiss)* PERFECT!!!

The fact that they weren't able to create a horoscope because he was born on Mars is surprinsingly accurate. Since you need the date and time of birth as well as the location, since they are based on earth it would be nearly impossible to do an actual horoscope on someone born on a different planet.

“Deep Thoughts with Heinlein”- Gay stuff is illegal, but love freely

@crgrier

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in this book. You should read Time Enough for Love it's all about polyamoury; have sex with anyone who agrees without limits.

@user-xy4yr5hb1i

4 жыл бұрын

But no guy on guy butt stuff. That is Icky.

@nilspochat8665

4 жыл бұрын

I really don't grok that author.

@silverrivers

4 жыл бұрын

I would like this comment, but it’s at 69

@sibire8284

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget The Moon is a Harsh Mistress!

He really done ruined a perfectly fine panromantic asexual Martian just because he listened to Freud, which is never a good idea.

@Genesukt64

3 жыл бұрын

Panromantic asexual martian is my favorite combination of words now

@ZephLodwick

3 жыл бұрын

@@Genesukt64 What does 'panromantic' mean?

@ZephLodwick

3 жыл бұрын

He's not asexual. Mike lay with many people in the book!

@jillianrose2891

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZephLodwick Yeah, that’s the point I was trying to make. Before he got his little ‘upgrade’ he didn’t

@Stanzaawashere

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZephLodwick panromantic means you're attracted to people regardless of their gender. Pansexual is the same thing but horny

I read this when it first came out; his later books became increasingly strange. Near the end of his career, he had an early (forgotten procedure name) carotid artery reaming out, restoring blood flow to the brain. This may have explained some of the weirdness.

The fact that a Chick-fil-a ad ran right before the ‘unless it’s gay’ bit is terrifyingly hilarious

@melemon810

2 ай бұрын

SAME

“I love all the people a bonded over water with!” “Ok, but you shouldn’t love guys” “What’s a guy” “It’s what you are” “So I can’t love me?” “No just not other men” “What’s men” “... it’s the gender that you are” “What’s a gender.” “... its a... state of existence that defines your body” “Ah, right.” “Ok ok. Now, don’t be gay” “What’s gay?” “It’s when you love another person of your gender” “But why is that bad?” “ITS INHUMANE AND UNPURE!!” “Ahh, ok.” “So...” “I love all the people a bonded over water with!”

@JanusKastin

4 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to think that the author painted his own character into a rhetorical corner.

@DellDuckfan313

4 жыл бұрын

@@JanusKastin Now I kinda want to see a crossover between Heinlein and Ayn Rand. The ultimate pseudophilosophical libertarian self-insert fantasy.

@danieloceansmith3156

4 жыл бұрын

Big Mans it’s like who’s on first but with gayness...

@onemadhungrynomad

4 жыл бұрын

lol so much mental acrobatics. i mean, just the normal amount for a right wing american, but really quite a lot. did you know that jesus made a new covenant with his followers that replaced the old one? so yeah all the people who go back to lovidicus to justify hatred of 'the gays' are actually not following the word of their supposed savior jesus christ. being self consistent sure is hard.

@mkvenner2

4 жыл бұрын

JanusKastin no he did intentionally.

Top ten phrases spoken moments before unspeakable disaster: "Now it's time for some deep thoughts, with Heinlein"

@kelvinabambora9

4 жыл бұрын

I love how halfway through you can just tell when this line is about to come up

I read Stranger a long, long time ago. Through-out much of it, I kept thinking "this is a bunch of hippie crap." However there is one scene it in that has always stuck with me, it's the scene where they talk about truth, and they come across a barn, and ask what color the barn is. And someone says "red" but it's pointed out that you can't see the other side of the barn, so the other side might not be red. A statement of truth often comes with an acknowledgement of what is unknown.

'Deap thoughts with Heinlein' had me in stitches 😂

Heinlein was an uncomfortably bizarre writer. To convey that immense discomfort, I vote we get M. Night Shyamalan to direct an adaptation of this book that's portrayed entirely as a psychological horror, _without changing anything about the characters_

@lets-all-love-lain

3 жыл бұрын

I would buy that movie

@falconstudios146

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think that would almost be a good movie.

@danielchan1668

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated. Take this algorithm bump.

@somedudewithsomememes2035

3 жыл бұрын

it would be great but for the love of satan dont

@fiend-off-the-grid

3 жыл бұрын

@@somedudewithsomememes2035 "for the love of Satan" is not a phrase I expected to see today, but I'm happier you said it than the other thing

This sounds like a D & D session gone wrong Edit: I made this comment in 2019-2020 and now I've finally played d&d, y'all were right. That was just normal d&d, my character(an overpowered arsonist 8 year old) overthrew a kingdom just bc someone in the group told them not to do it.

@MissJukeBox8

4 жыл бұрын

TheTired Fangirl I did accidentally start a cult in D&D once where our goal was to save the world from aliens, the only big difference is sex wasn’t involved ...I dunno what would have happened if they gave us a few more sessions tho

@crimson8867

4 жыл бұрын

More like a session gone right

@eriklindbergs5017

4 жыл бұрын

@@crimson8867 Found the bard.

@talleywa5772

3 жыл бұрын

Depends how many bards are in the party.

@sdsmuseumoftheweirdstripex6489

3 жыл бұрын

In D&D, we started a “cult” in which we killed demons and were all like TIME FOR A FUCKING CRUSADE and terrorized Lucifer for fun. And we disintegrated Mars and Jupiter.

If anyone else has seen Dominic Noble’s video on The Midwitch Cuckoos/Village of the Damned - he notes that there’s a type of middle aged white man author whose writing style is less about the action, and more about what middle aged white men have to SAY about the action. (And has a main character who is almost definitely an author self insert)

I like how it started out actually pretty cool for a 60s sci fi and then became progressively (pun unintended but now that I think about it) more Reki Kawahara for the last two thirds

“Deep thoughts with Heinlein- Cannibalism is actually fine.”

@aquila4460

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, while I absolutely don't agree with the presentation. Why would it be ethically wrong to eat a dead person who completely consented to be eaten after their death and has not been killed for the purpose of cannibalism?

@donbionicle

4 жыл бұрын

@@aquila4460 Mainly because humans tend to become very ill when repeatedly consuming humans. While a little here and there may be physically OK, my social brainwashing rather puts me off the idea.

@carlosroo5460

4 жыл бұрын

@Aquila In the words of the Great Master Red (No, not that one, the author of this video) "Hell if I know!"

@carlosroo5460

4 жыл бұрын

Leaving Hannibal's true motivations aside, what I get from one of these is, that porn back then was made by man and man with fake breast.

@upg5147

4 жыл бұрын

Anything's fine with consent!

Deadass admitting that an actual arch-angel wouldn’t have seen anything wrong with being gay if humans didn’t tell him it was wrong. I love that for how self-owning it is.

@hazeltree7738

2 жыл бұрын

@@rblack1986 Okay... Why is it gross? And don't just cite the bible, give me an actual, logical reason it's a bad thing other than just "The bible says so and I'm not gay". It might be hard to give proper reasons because there _aren't any_ It's just two people loving each other. Just because they can't make a baby (Keep in mind they might not even want a baby, or sex at all) doesn't mean it's gross, it's just love

@Gearhead221

2 жыл бұрын

@@rblack1986 Tell me you know nothing about HIV infection without telling me you know nothing about HIV infection.

@Gearhead221

2 жыл бұрын

@@rblack1986 Also, you act like humans are the only species where same-sex relationships exist. Spoilers: WE AREN'T.

@Mel-qr5ob

2 жыл бұрын

@@rblack1986 where in the bible does it say that? cause as far as I remember the one and only line in the bible which mentions being gay, was a mistranslation of "pedophilia" from the original text. The irony of English Christian priests 'mistranslating' the Bible 'on accident' considering their reputation is hopefully not lost on you. If you don't get it you're too far gone. If you do get it you know you've mucked up and might need to retract some of the stuff you said.

@ycleptprof.5249

2 жыл бұрын

@@rblack1986 I'm picking up "13/50" readings from you. Like, I don't think you believe that necessarily, and I don't care either. Just... damn, your logic is flawed.

I was gonna complain about how sarcastic this synopsis was, then I saw the channel name. Nailed it

This book makes me feel better about my own writing

@therealuncleowen2588

Жыл бұрын

Ikr? No matter what one writes, it has to be superior to this mess of a novel.

@lunaequinox7333

10 ай бұрын

*Me looking at my half-finished DSMP shipping fanfics* Perhaps I treated you too harshly

@MrTigracho

10 ай бұрын

​@@lunaequinox7333dude, I feel like my writting is a bit forced sometimes, but after thinking about just people can be a bit...unique, I don't feel so bad anymore.

@MattMcIrvin

3 күн бұрын

@@therealuncleowen2588 The weird thing is, this book is often regarded as not just OK, but as Heinlein's masterpiece and one of the central classics of science fiction literature. I *like* a lot of Heinlein, for all his many many faults, but I've always found this one difficult to take. I think it just appeared at exactly the right time to become a strange 60s counterculture icon, though Heinlein probably hated most things about the 60s counterculture.

@Mordalon

22 сағат бұрын

The novel is highly acclaimed and award winning. Take it within its context.

"None of this is framed as horror" AU from the perspective of a random civilian watching a sex cult disappear people and amass political power when?

@redmadhatter03

4 жыл бұрын

I think you just described Midsommar

@guggelguggel7491

4 жыл бұрын

@@redmadhatter03 Not the holiday, right?

@narutohinataashgaara

4 жыл бұрын

@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 i think you just mean all politicians.

@deviousxen

4 жыл бұрын

It's not only a comedic line, but an informative and necessary one, LOL

"And then in the third act he starts a sex cult" Me, an innocent bab: "A-a what?!?”

@demonelf2094

4 жыл бұрын

you heard it.

@polasamierwahsh421

4 жыл бұрын

Me too brb bro me too

@JumaquiMamani

4 жыл бұрын

Reeeee

@LoverOfStuff

4 жыл бұрын

*Cover the child’s ears!*

@seikoseikogirl2758

4 жыл бұрын

Should have run away and continued to be innocent.

I would like to formally thank Red for giving us an easy and well explained video to point to whenever a Twitter user asks "why is the new AI thing called Grok." And giving us yet another reason to call Elon a fucking weirdo.

@ninjabluefyre3815

4 ай бұрын

Him liking this book explains a LOT

@Mordalon

22 сағат бұрын

Grok isn’t some obscure Elon thing. It’s been a reference in nerd circles for decades. And this video is extremely inaccurate and biased.

I was already a bit skeptical about whether the writer of Starship Troopers is qualified to tell me about empathy and compassion, but I got to the scene where he writes "9 times out of 10, if a woman gets raped, it's partly her fault" and now the book is just annoying me. Gonna push through to the end, because as the book says, you can't truly hate something unless you fully understand it. Great video though!

@DDlambchop43

Жыл бұрын

yeah. I'm trying to withhold my distaste til I actually read it. It's not easy, tho.

@michelmanno8244

Жыл бұрын

Isn't the movie basically a parody

@JamieCurrant

Жыл бұрын

@@michelmanno8244 Haven't seen it but yes from what I know it's just ripping the piss out of the book

@jacobwilliams1223

Жыл бұрын

@@michelmanno8244 The movie essentially satirizes the fascism that the book played 100% straight and is all the better for it.

@jamesharding3459

Жыл бұрын

@@JamieCurrant The movie satirizes the fuck out of the book and it’s great.

"He realizes comedy is built on pain. Humans laugh, because they can't do anything else." Wow, that caught me off guard

@crescenteon7619

2 жыл бұрын

I mean he’s not wrong

@Karak-_-

2 жыл бұрын

Comedy = Tragedy + Time Black Humor = (Tragedy + Time) - Time

@WizTroll

2 жыл бұрын

@@Karak-_- I thought Black Comedy was Kevin Hart?

@mech5670

2 жыл бұрын

@@WizTroll fuck that was good.

@HarshDude126

2 жыл бұрын

@@crescenteon7619 Yes, he is. Comedy has nothing to do with pain.

“Love should be free and without limit, *unless it’s gay of course*-“

@batshineman174

4 жыл бұрын

The thing about Heinlein and homophobia is I don't think he was that in the traditional sense. After becoming familiar with Heinleins books and short stories I seriously don't think he views being gay as evil or a sin like most homophobic idiots and (I'm not joking) instead views it as being counterproductive to the survival of the human race, since it unlike heterosexual love if left to it's own devices it won't most likely result in a human being born. We need to remember that this was written during the 60's when overpopulation wasn't nearly as much of a problem as it is today.

@advictoriamsshitposts8689

4 жыл бұрын

@@batshineman174 TL;DR: Basically Heinlein didn't like the gays because of reasons of homosexuality not producing kids.

@emonrd5472

4 жыл бұрын

@@advictoriamsshitposts8689 I think he's forgetting the hundreds of orphaned children and that gays could just adopt

@lovetrain5025

4 жыл бұрын

xxAsh playzxx its more that they wanted more kids back then, not a family.

@potatobastard9876

4 жыл бұрын

Eh In "Time Enough for Love" he seems all for gay stuff. That one's hella about pleasure too

Part 1: Actual sci fi Part 2: belongs on Wattpad

I think my favorite part is "That's not an old one that's just a corpse no one has eaten yet."😆😂🤣 HILARIOUS!!!

@markpashia7067

9 ай бұрын

Everyone is missing the point of the cannibalism. It is a punch on the concept of Communion in mainstream churches that branch from Catholicism. Communion is just symbolic cannibalism. This is my body, this is my blood. Wafer and wine symbolize ingesting the body of Christ. So not too far of a step to boiling a finger to make soup. Heinlein was rattling the cage of the Pope.

Love how Heinlein is like "Everything Mike does is Correct and Good because he's secretly the incarnation of the Archangel Michael. Except the pansexuality. We had to teach him not to do that. Encourage murder for inconvenience, discourage pansexuality."

@themoleman6806

4 жыл бұрын

It's _almost_ like the story is _supposed_ to be ridiculous.

@falconJB

4 жыл бұрын

@@themoleman6806 While the ideas Heinlein puts forth in is books are mostly so bad as to easily be mistaken for satire, if you read what he wrote outside his fiction you will fine that he seemed to believe them.

@themoleman6806

4 жыл бұрын

@@falconJB You're trying to say that the man that wrote _Job: a Comedy of Justice_ writing in all that stuff about heaven, complete with halos and angels, is being 100% serious and not taking the piss. Sure thing bud. And I have seen a lot of the work he wrote outside of fiction. About 90% of it is typical libertarian stuff so I don't know what you've been reading.

@lovetrain5025

4 жыл бұрын

Wow I can't believe that a book from the *1960s* Is not onboard with anything gay.

@lovetrain5025

4 жыл бұрын

Eadric Robertson that’s what I meant, it was the 60s, if you have anything gay in your book or anything with gay undertones it’s either best case not gonna sell well or worst case get burnt. However Heinlein still snuck in some gay undertones in the book anyways disguised as hate

Heinlein: "There's nothing inherently wrong with cannibalism. We only think it's disgusting because society says so." Also Heinlein" "Gay people are icky."

@batshineman174

4 жыл бұрын

The thing about Heinlein and homophobia is I don't think he was that in the traditional sense. After becoming familiar with Heinleins books and short stories I seriously don't think he views being gay as evil or a sin like most homophobic idiots and (I'm not joking) instead views it as being counterproductive to the survival of the human race, since it unlike heterosexual love if left to it's own devices it won't most likely result in a human being born. We need to remember that this was written during the 60's when overpopulation wasn't nearly as much of a problem as it is today.

@MasterHyperionMC

4 жыл бұрын

batshineman overpopulation isn’t a problem now either though

@Nazareadain

4 жыл бұрын

@@batshineman174 ah, well, so long as you take the time to rationalize your homophobia, I guess lol.

@batshineman174

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nazareadain How did I come across as homophobic? I was only explaining what I thought Robert A. Heinleins views on being gay could've possibly been. I even called those who are against being gay as homophobic idiots.

@falconJB

4 жыл бұрын

​@@batshineman174 Heinlein's homophobia my have been rationalize but it was still homophobia. It is even said it the book that that Mike would never trust a gay person because he would sense their inherent wrongness.

I just clicked on this video again and it started off where I had left off: "It's sex cult time baby"

Fun fact: grok is a common word in programmer culture. It’s usually used in reference to comprehending a complicated code base or how an otherwise large program works especially with the intent to modify it.

“And he may be the archangel Michael. Spoiler alert: He’s right.” WE ARE REACHING LEVELS OF HERESY THAT SHOULDNT EVEN BE POSSIBLE!

@HunterStiles651

4 жыл бұрын

THE CHURCH OF ALL WORLDS HAS TAKEN JERUSALEM! DEUS VULT!

@wakietrash2686

4 жыл бұрын

@@HunterStiles651 DEUS VULT

@NukaStick

4 жыл бұрын

BURN THEN IN HOLY FIRE BROTHA!

@wrathsosdovah1828

4 жыл бұрын

GATHER THE ORDER OF JERUSALEM, THE BROTHERS OF THE IMPERIUM OF MAN AND THE WRIGGLERS OF JOECRAP!!!! DEUS VULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@mashpotato3700

4 жыл бұрын

DEUS VULT! FOR THE GOD EMPEROR OF MAN KIND

The sad part is that this story would've been WAY better if Mike was presented as the villain. Seriously, 80% of the book's problems would've been fixed if Mike was the villain and somebody else became the hero in act three.

@shorewall

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, you could take it as a bad end, or whatever. I will say, I read and loved "Starship Troopers", so I heard about this book and tried it out. It gave me MAJOR Heebie Jeebies, and I didn't even get to the 2nd Half. :D I thought Jill in the beginning looking out for Michael was pretty cute though. She reminded me of the sexy gal who's a big sis type.

@theMoporter

3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I don't read him as being villainous, so much as extremely misguided. He wasn't trying to be evil.

@whiskeredwolf4861

3 жыл бұрын

Mike never comes off as a villain at any point though? He’s just extremely confused.

@donovanroundtree524

3 жыл бұрын

more act *PORN*

@AnimeWolf5193

3 жыл бұрын

Or even if it was presented as something pure being corrupted by society and others beliefs.

I love how the idea that "the people who already live somewhere have more claim to it than we as outsiders do" was completely ignored by everyone involved until it became a convenient way to protect Mike lmao

For how many times I gave watched OSP vids, and I just realized something. There are no noses, and I'm not disturbed by this. Red does amazing work.

“Can’t own Mars because it’s inhabited and he doesn’t own it and doesn’t even want to” That one Native American guy who was just a random person and was forced to sign a contract giving his tribal lands over to the English even though he couldn’t read the contract and he was in no position to have the right to sign it: 🧐

@justanotheronlineobserver3387

3 жыл бұрын

Martian can make you disappear at will if you piss them off, and anyone claiming ownership of their planet would defenetly piss them off.

@Zaire82

2 жыл бұрын

@@justanotheronlineobserver3387 Martians apparently don't have a concept of "ownership". You'd have to teach them the concept first, and then afterwards tell them _"All your base are belong to us"_

@williamwontiam3166

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, this is like the Native Americans having nukes.

@leohex8767

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I get it. It's sci-fi, space colonialism.

@rmsgrey

2 жыл бұрын

In the novel, Mike owning Mars is a political fiction based on the precedent that the lunar colonists own the Moon as the first people to live there (which goes back to a theory almost as old as agriculture - that the people who live on and work the land have a right of ownership to it) - though the idea that the colonists have the right to the entire Moon just from settling part of it seems like an over-extension of that ancient principle. The theory that Mike owns Mars as the first person to live there relies on a narrow definition of "people" as "humans" - but it gets replaced through some face-saving political theatre with the theory that Mike is the representative of the sovereign nation of Mars, populated and governed by the native Martian peoples. A combination of pointing out the realities and making a successful Fast Talk roll...

I absolutely love how in all the "deep thoughts with Heinlein" scenes... the guy holding the cup in the painting is pinching the bridge of his nose... head down... as though he's listening to Heinlein and just thinking "stop talking you idiot"

@laurenc5306

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO nice observation

@ominosentenzioso5100

3 жыл бұрын

The hemlock was to silence him

@Valery0p5

3 жыл бұрын

"someone euthanize him already please"

@sonorasgirl

3 жыл бұрын

I rewatched just to see that. You’re 100% - I started cackling on my floor. Pretty sure my daughter thinks I’m crazy now 😂

@comradewindowsill4253

3 жыл бұрын

theres also a guy facewalling which is very much my reaction.

16:45 poor red she has to clarify that it is not a horror and story and i think martian guy is bi i guess.

Every time I think of this video, I cannot help but think "Deep Thoughts From Heinlein," and it makes me very curious if we're ever going to get an episode about Ray "TV Bad" Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451°.

@ivoryas1696

6 ай бұрын

@jacobbohl192 Yo, good point!

"no women likes, watches, or even understands pornography" me, trying to convince my parents that I'm a good and pure christian girl and definitely NOT a horny lesbian

@starling1226

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t know according to this article if women ruled the internet porn wouldn’t exist (which is sad tbh, what’s the use of the internet if there is no porn?) Edit: why do my dumbest comments get the most attention?

@akuraproductions3550

4 жыл бұрын

@@starling1226 Knowledge? Entertainment? There's a lot of uses for the internet that isn't....18+ content.

@Sunaki1000

4 жыл бұрын

@@akuraproductions3550 The Internet is for Porn Meme kinda dyed out.

@firetarrasque4667

4 жыл бұрын

What makes you think those things are mutually exclusive? BIBLE NEVER MENTIONS LESBIANS WOO

@fairycat23

4 жыл бұрын

@@starling1226 I'll put forth the claim that if women ruled the Internet, a lot more porn would be written. Source: I am a woman and I don't wanna watch porn, but man do I read it. Other source: There seem to be a lot of women writing porn on the Internet.

This book is like when you hear the straight people who think lesbians are hot and think they can turn them straight. I want to clarify, most straight people are not creeps like that

@AskMia411

3 жыл бұрын

Omg, you're right, that's exactly the vibe this story gives. It's also the same vibe that people who think asexuals "Just haven't had good sex yet" give off. The belief that you can change someone's sexuality through sex. Heinlein was so freaking weird!

@202mc4

3 жыл бұрын

This comment is... Questionable. And I'm not even straight.

@sindrevangenrobberstad2889

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your wisdom, Sobek

@sugar-and-stardust

3 жыл бұрын

LUCKILY THEY AREN'T

@sobek6735

2 жыл бұрын

@@202mc4 could you clarify?

You’ve made me look at one of my favorite novels in a TOTALLY new light. 😮

@ninjabluefyre3815

8 ай бұрын

WHAT DID YOU THINK IT WAS ABOUT?!

I feel like this whole video is Red dunking on Heinlein. And that's pretty cool.