Download and play V-Rising now: store.steampowered.com/app/1604030/V_Rising/?

@_lun4r_

Жыл бұрын

No Don't pin comments

@brincz3785

Жыл бұрын

I played V-Rising with a friend of mine, it is similar to Valheim but a top down version. We played on our own server that I hosted (which gives your IP address out lol) and it was fun to play together. Definitely a game that is good with a friend group or someone who likes playing hard(ish) solo games (maybe like Elden Ring/Dark Souls in general). At many points, things became tedious so I just enabled the admin console and it would help us to get point A to B, especially being a duo it made it harder for boss fights.

@FredsRandomFinds

Жыл бұрын

If you try Eve you need to do so with a group of friends. Solo you'll be bored off of your tits in less than a day. With a group of friends it can be one of the best out there..

@megitsune714

Жыл бұрын

you arent even sponsored :D soon there will be a massive update you should go talk with the devs for a sponsored video

@dez_7425

Жыл бұрын

@@_lun4r_ Are you really telling someone how to run their channel? Fuck off

and now we know why a community driven tier list has never been done before

@Danilocked

Жыл бұрын

Call me hater or whatever, but putting FF14 at the top of all the other MMOs is a shame. Don't get me wrong, it is good, but just not as glorious as people say it is.

@roxlul

Жыл бұрын

It reflects the problem that we have pretty good, we have a lot of good mmorpgs but we dont have a very good one.

@Yami69

Жыл бұрын

@@Danilocked your opinion ofc

@animepug8159

Жыл бұрын

I mean, if majority of the people speaks volume about FF14 I don't think its a shame honestly.

@cw9624

Жыл бұрын

@@Danilocked no matter what ff14 easily deserves to be somewhere in A tier looking at all those non A tier games.

The fact over 30% of people didn't vote Diablo Immortal an F concerns me and shows me why games are like they are nowadays.

@Oaky

Жыл бұрын

tbh, gameplay and graphics are good. Story was decent. I had fun without needing to P2W to enjoy the game

@alispeed5095

Жыл бұрын

@@Oaky the bar has lowered so much

@TheOneGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@Oaky If you eat around shit you are still endorsing it. That's only going to make it worse.

@vincentdarkrosrayne

Жыл бұрын

because some people just enjoy games. so many people will insta hate games for just one single reason without looking at anything else the game has to offer. and i can guarantee that the majority of people that voted it into F haven't even touched the game.

@sunnun9203

Жыл бұрын

only 5k voted

It's almost hard to accept that these are the best MMOs on the market today. The options are incredibly underwhelming considering we live in an age that, one would imagine, is ideal for developing and successfully marketing MMOs.

@MyName-Jeff

9 ай бұрын

New World was supposed to be exactly what everyone hoped for, and then they pooped the bed on literally everything. Inflation went insane, glitches were everywhere, QoL was terrible, griefing was rampant (using glitches too so no way to fight back). I think the gaming industry is in a terrible state right now. Just look at how amped everyone is for Baldurs gate when that quality of game should literally be the norm.

@padarousou

7 ай бұрын

The problem is so much has been done already its hard to innovate while also making the game cohesive and compelling

@maxxvii2037

7 ай бұрын

Any game that can be fully played by just one person is not ideal in the current market

@maxxvii2037

7 ай бұрын

@@MyName-Jeff That level of quality wasn't the norm 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. There has always been trash around, every decade. People just have selective memory

@MyName-Jeff

7 ай бұрын

@@maxxvii2037 oh no I totally agree this situation isn't unique. Its just disappointing.

i love that osrs was so high, people often just instantly shut it down due to the graphics but the game itself is actually very good and has all the qualities a good mmo needs

I think many underestimate the greatness that is Guild Wars 1. Newer mmos could learn from its systems. Namely the skill system and heroes system

@KineticCalvaria

Жыл бұрын

My all time favourite. I love GW2 as well but it just doesn't compare to GW1. I was thoroughly invested in the story and lore, and the build customisation was crazy good.

@heartoffire5902

Жыл бұрын

@@KineticCalvaria Yeah, I was hooked on GW1 for a very long time because of the incredible build customization. GW2 just couldn't keep me. The limitations of the more restrictive system just don't interest me.

@mortalhordewarrior9285

Жыл бұрын

Want to play? It's on steam if you didn't know and people do play it, very healthy population.

@jakeberry8882

Жыл бұрын

Guildwars 1 gets my vote as my enjoyed mmo of all time I love the structured PvP where you could make an instantly viable PvP character from the get go.

@Naeidea

Жыл бұрын

@@mortalhordewarrior9285 sweet i might grab it.

Hey Peon, thanks for the video. I think it might be a good idea for any potential future videos like this to calculate the average of people's votes, rather than using the most popular answer. To give an over the top example, if there is an mmo that got 40% of the votes in the F tier, 30% in the A tier and 30% in the S tier, it would be put into the F tier, even though 60% of the community (the majority) love it. So I think the average would give us a more accurate result.

@TheLazyPeon

Жыл бұрын

Yeah good idea, I’ll need to figure out something like that next time for sure

@b-id5wq

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLazyPeon can you just redo the video with this methodology? Your current approach is totally wrong and totally skews the results. If you want me to crunch the numbers I can do so

@alexgamer8965

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLazyPeon i hope Asmongold will react to this Tier List as before

@roxlul

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLazyPeon we need also more votes, I didnt even know about the poll and I followed you for years.

@sambaquero

Жыл бұрын

@@b-id5wq this guy LMAO

Great content! I suggest making a new tier list, not based on what has the most %, but instead move the bar higher or lower on the list based on the + or - rating. For example, if a game has 50% of S tier and 50% f tier, then place it in the middle, a B tier. Or if a game has lots of S and lots of B, put in A tier. Something like that. Just a suggestion :)

Wow, happy to see that GW2 is still kicking! What an amazing game, an ever-changing event world with so much to give. V Rising is a really good game too, highly recommending it if anyone hasn't tried it out yet.

@vastorogis

Жыл бұрын

he knows nothing about games tbh

@mixuaquela123

Жыл бұрын

I think GW2 has easily the most fun/skill based PvP combat of all MMOs. It has some balancing issues but still.

@GrippeeTV

Жыл бұрын

GW2 is the only MMO on the market that still FEELS like an MMO imo, and that’s why I love it. The gameplay just incentivizes socializing and group content everywhere. Where games like WoW, FFXIV have kinda drifted away towards instanced group content rather than open world group content like partying up for quests and the like.

@Anevlo

Жыл бұрын

I think that's my favourite MMO, especially considering the amazing community it has!

@xe11d

Жыл бұрын

It also is the easiest reccomendation for casual players who wants to dabble into MMOs.

Congrats to my fellow GW2 enjoyers - we’ve made it into A tier with the big hitters 😎

@ImmortalityV

Жыл бұрын

Weird to see you in the comments and up on my second monitor going over the upcoming changes xD Keep up the good work! :D

@gygaxx69

Жыл бұрын

Should be s tier

@charlesdobronxcharlesdobro4660

Жыл бұрын

Dragon flight is dead so idk how he can rank it so high… the content doesn’t last more then a month

@ImmortalityV

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesdobronxcharlesdobro4660 Just because the content doesn't last you long enough doesn't mean it's not popular.

@Deviantloverable

Жыл бұрын

Well we all know gw2 players dont care where is our game on these tear-lists, but it is nice to know other people see the value of gw2.

I was genuinely anxious to see where GW2 came, was relieved when it was A tier as its truly one of my favourite games of all time.

@RedNuii

Жыл бұрын

From Peon’s list at the end, he ranked it as #1

@sisqomisqo2019

Жыл бұрын

GW2 is a joke, no challenging contents and repetitive boring ass Meta events for no reward worth doing whatsoever

@Naeidea

Жыл бұрын

@@sisqomisqo2019 try a different game would be my suggestion.

@dabo150

Жыл бұрын

@@sisqomisqo2019 Sounds like a you problem and a shitty opinion.

@nightmarecorn

Жыл бұрын

@@sisqomisqo2019 we do have challneging content. End of dragons strikes first 1 and 3 is easiest 2 is second hardest and harvest temple is the hardest of the all and not that many have cleared it

FF11 was my first mmo. I think if it was f2p people would've voted it higher but as it stands an F seems appropriate. I think it was really a "you had to be there" mmo. Anyone who played ff11 at peak has truly unique memories of the game. Things you could never experience in the games current form... but the game's sountrack is 100% S tier.

One thing I loved about Lineage 2 was the clans I stay loyal to my clan we had a great clan leader she and her other half where great; the events where awesome talking to them before hand and choosing a side of the story we wanted to progress on the server and then doing quests together then also partaking in Clan battles for zones was just fun being part getting a discount if we won and helped the major clan defend or defeat the other clan was neat also. Wow will always be my go to MMO; I played a lot of the other MMOs but the max about 1/2months with my ex she liked them but would always go back to wow. I guess once you've invested into one MMO its hard to reinvest into another. Edit. The biggest problem with MMO is that the players normally don't have a direct line of commutation to the Dev team to change the world towards something everyone can invest into.

@DiaGall

3 ай бұрын

Lineage 2 (old chronicles) is all about PvP and its best game ever in this case

I would've loved to see a tierlist based not on majority votes, but based on average placement. I feel like that would've given a more accurate depiction of where the community as a whole believes a game should go within the list on average. Otherwise great video. Here's how the tierlist would look if it were based on average ranking: _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ S: A: Final Fantasy XIV (4.48) Guild Wars 2 (4.32) World of Warcraft: Dragon Flight (4.08) B: Old School Runescape (3.74) World of Warcraft: WotLK Classic (3.69) Elder Scrolls Online (3.56), New World (3.42) Lost Ark (3.29) V Rising (3.24) Albion Online (3.12) Star Wars the Old Republic (3.06) Black Desert Online (3.02) C: Guild Wars 1 (2.84) Runescape 3 (2.69) Lord of the Rings Online (2.66) EVE Online (2.59) Maplestory (2.49) Warhammer Online RoR (2.31) Final Fantasy XI (2.27) Neverwinter (2.13) Dungeons & Dragons Online (2.07) Lineage 2 (2.05) Archeage (2.05) D: PSO2 New Genesis (1.93) Tower of Fantasy (1.91) Blade & Soul (1.9) Project: Gorgon (1.9) RIFT (1.86) Conquerors Blade (1.78) AION (1.73) Vindictus (1.61) DC Universe Online (1.66) The Secret World(1.61) Mortal Online 2 (1.56) Undecember (1.56) Adventure Quest 3D (1.53) Embers Adrift (1.33) Sword of Legends Online (1.33) Allods Online (1.28) Skyforge (1.26) Metin 2 (1.22) Riders of Icarus (1.18) F: Bless Unleashed (0.96) Diablo Immortal (0.81) League of Angels 4 (0.76) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Method used: ((F⋅0+D⋅1+C⋅2+B⋅3+A⋅4+S⋅5)÷5)⋅6 S = 5-6 A = 4-5 B = 3-4 C = 2-3 D = 1-2 F = 0-1 Some of the results might be very slightly off due to a lack of exact % numbers on some of the voted tiers, though it wouldn't be enough to change the tier itself, at most impacting only the ranking within the tier in some cases (which even then would probably be off by only about 0.01 for most of those cases).

@fullstackweebdev4855

Жыл бұрын

You put more effort into this list than Blizzard put into Diablo Immortal

@elijahbrooks6887

Жыл бұрын

Holy s*** you are smart

@brdg4276

Жыл бұрын

Glad I saw this, LazyPeons methodology was way off

@SamuSayo

Жыл бұрын

Wow how did this come into your mind

@hellvanfrost69

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking something similar, but it looks like I was beaten to the punch lmao

I just got into Guild Wars 2 and for the first time in years I feel like a child discovering games again :D it's so beautiful and magical, I love it!

@sicfkinfactory

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way and I've been playing it for 3+ years

@Healsloth

Жыл бұрын

i wish i could play gw2 with these emotions again

@user-yx6jm3xx8u

Жыл бұрын

I m a newly too, so much thing to explore

@antoinegezod

Жыл бұрын

Its too easy, absolutely zero challenge in levelling

@TheMissileHappy

Жыл бұрын

@@antoinegezod That's not why I play games :) at the end of the day I need something relaxing to unwind and just exploring a beautiful world is perfect for me

DCUO was my life when it was popping, absolutely love that game to bits. Its kinda sad to see the community doesn't like it.

To this day I think Rift had the potential to be S tier with a big playerbase, but they just dropped the ball on so many aspects and weren't able to keep up with the competition at the time. Really is a shame that there's no chance for a comeback either once Gamigo gets is paws on a game

@H4ymaker

Жыл бұрын

I loved RIFT, amazing game. But quit after not being able to beat Greenscale

@bradyvilhauer4445

Жыл бұрын

It’s super sad how true this is about so many games. So many people have this same viewpoint about their fave expected game. I think every developer should take notes from Fortnite - that game blew up not just because of Ninja but because they updated SO OFTEN… stayed so flipping culturally relevant (which not all games need to do but it proved their reaction speed was legendary), released new weapons and modes… just very genius “reaction design” I might call it. Dragonflight has been similar from what I’ve read, updating fairly often, and adjusting broken classes and the like. You have to stay so proactive with your design, it’s possibly the only way to keep your game alive, and certainly to keep your game rising to the top!

@andrijanastic1480

9 ай бұрын

​@@bradyvilhauer4445yeah but their updates were usually small things like skins and I can't agree because some genres do not need things like skins for update but smth big instead And smth big can't be rushed as we saw with Destiny 2 Lightfall

@bradyvilhauer4445

9 ай бұрын

@@andrijanastic1480 I see what you're saying, not at all saying every game needs to do exactly what fortnite did. I think skins are actually pretty powerful; a huge part of gaming is people making things that look cool to them, so options help. But skins cost money to design, as do expansions. I think there are such thing as bad ideas as well. But it seems to me that games that cease to update SOMETHING in a great way, fairly often, tend to fall by the wayside. And I think a lot of "show me the money" financial people and parent companies simply do not realize why people game. They get too stuck on the business and fall behind.

I've picked op guildwars 2 again recently after a few years and I'm having a blast. The amount of content is insane and the horizontal progression system is amazing. Also, it has by far the best and most friendly community

@SheaSyz

Жыл бұрын

i dont think most friendly on gw2, i think its of FFXIV i play gw2 a lot and got really toxic people on city especially on raid and fractal thing while in FFXIV i dont find anyone insult in game at all

@LuriTV

Жыл бұрын

I play both GW2 and FFXIV at the time now and sorry to say it, but FFXIV's community is better. Not by much but it is.

@ylethyrbrekan5993

Жыл бұрын

for instanced contant ffxiv might have a friendlier community, however GW2's community is less cringe/ more chill overall alot more casual players

@yatjathepict

Жыл бұрын

@@ylethyrbrekan5993 cringe is the best description of the FFXIV community. I was almost thankful of how instanced and single player orientated the game was but then the mind numbingly boring story and gameplay just switched me off from the game completely. If I ever return I'll be buying story skips I think

@Arlong1776

Жыл бұрын

@@SheaSyz FF14 is full of overly sensitive people. GW2 has people with thick skins that also help you and dont report everyone at the drop of a hat.

I feel like this should have been made as a median value of the votes, rather than the largest group to get a more accurate representation. Luckily the data is available so one can make such a list on their own. Thanks for the video! :)

@ArgumentumAdHominem

Жыл бұрын

Sounds good in theory. In practice, 99% of games will land in C-D tier, and the list would be somewhat boring

@ilikeanimals5015

Жыл бұрын

Albion deserves an S

@njnjco

Жыл бұрын

@@ArgumentumAdHominem C is an average score and most mmo are, in fact, average. Most things are actually average. That's why it's average. I don't think a video like that would be boring. It would probably be.... average. How many times can I say average?? averageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverage.... A lot.

@ohnoitisnt666

Жыл бұрын

Take a shot every time you read average.

@Primafaveo

Жыл бұрын

@@njnjco Might we call the amount of averages, above average? Then I mean above average amounts of averages, the word average that is....in a quite averaged sentence? and the sentence is indeed average in length.

I check your channel once or twice a year, and holy shit you changed! Must have been a lot of hard work getting yourself in shape like that. You are unrecognizable.

i like your list as i feel we have the same taste for mmos following your channel. thanks for helping me pick a new mmo to play! do more thailand updates as i've been thinking myself of moving countries to start a new life and thailand has been on my top of the list.

GW2 has really shown its value as a game over time. Love it

@scottmartin7914

Жыл бұрын

Consistently underwhelming

@iskyss3

Жыл бұрын

I want to start, but I don't know if I should. Do you think it's worth starting to play? I'm talking about whether it's normal to play as a beginner and whether it will be supported in the coming years

@coops1234

Жыл бұрын

@@iskyss3 yep it’s easy to start and get involved in. Almost all content is accessible once max level which isn’t hard to get to.

@Aereton

Жыл бұрын

@@iskyss3 plenty of new players coming in recently so you are not alone and the player base is pretty nice and helpful so don't you worry about "sticking out as a noob" somewhere; according to devs, the next expac is already in production and they are recently talking often about making gw2 future proof so it's fair to say it'll probably be supported for a while

@nawnomadnan9874

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Taimi is my favorite NPC.

I really like the Community vs Personal Opinion format. Very well done, as always. Keep up the good work!

I personally think Tera had the best combat of any MMO I've ever played.

@bryannguyen6836

Жыл бұрын

I miss Stronghold...

@addictedtoRS

Жыл бұрын

Black Desert has the best combat of any MMORPG, no question. Nothing else even comes close. But, is it a good game? That's up for debate.

@MrFrosts

Жыл бұрын

Well should have tried Vindictus

@MB-em9ek

8 ай бұрын

@@addictedtoRS That's your own opinion. My pov is that Tera's action combat system was superior to BDO's.

@addictedtoRS

8 ай бұрын

@@MB-em9ek Are you serious? Tera? Lol. Alrighty then.

It surprises me to this day that not a single mmo list I have seen includes Dark age of camelot, i mean everquest and such was also skipped but Dark of camelot still has people playing and I still believe it has one of the best PvP elements to in comparision to even mmos to date. Maybe its niche idk but would love someone to atleast mention it.

Hey Peon I've been watching you since the early days of when you were making wow content. I love your work and its great to see you grow over the years. Keep up the good work !

Great video! I think a 1-10 rating system where you the result is the average rating from all the survey results might be more accurate than doing a first past the post tier rating

I think if people dedicated enough time for runescape 3 and properly observed pvm mechanics and quests they would easily rank it as at least A tier. Some stories there are really amazing. For pvming the issue is that high end pvm is locked behind lots and lots of hours to entry and many more until you master it and most do not get to see how awesome fighting a boss can feel. Casuals stop after trying out 4-5 bosses which are decades old . Intricate mechanics, having a particular spell save you from a gigantic boss that you are 1v1-ing, seeing how smooth it is and realizing how nice of a flow there is for fighting bosses is a thing that a lot of people miss.

@beeverino

9 ай бұрын

Almost all MMOs suffer from the "The show gets good on episode 200" thing. Just the nature of the genre. I'm glad it brings joy to folks who made it to episode 200, but it's definitely not something myself nor most will enjoy.

@juliozimmerman1433

5 ай бұрын

If they'd found another way to monetize the game without having to infest it with MTX, it would easily be A tier.

@phenetiik

5 ай бұрын

MTX is the only thing that keeps rs3 from been a high A mmo. It has thousands of hours of varied, traceable, non buyable completions content. A unique skilling system, with great depth.

I’ve been playing psongs for about 2 months and I think it’s a great game. Probably my favorite combat system of any other mmo I’ve played. However, it does lack a lot in content. I think if they continue to add more content over the next few years it could get way better.

@am14476

10 ай бұрын

Which game is that?

@UnexpiredROM

10 ай бұрын

@@am14476 Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis

Sadly that Aion and Tera went downhill that bad, they started out so beautiful and i have so many memories with them.

@henrikmonkee

Жыл бұрын

My favorite game Wildstar would've made it to tier A or at the very least B, i miss that game so much.

@Jason-993

Жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting for a western style mmorpg with tera combat. The RNG pray to the gods enchanting that was needed to progress with grind to grind to grind some more really really really killed the game. But to this day I still can't play any mmorpg without missing it's combat.

@tomaszproblem4875

Жыл бұрын

Almost every game what have Gamefoge in "Publishers" are VERY GOOD and after some time get to "trash" section. Is sad.

@Ademarr32

Жыл бұрын

man i really miss the time i had with TERA, the only game ever that made being a healer actually fun

I think it would be nice to show the community votes as a bar graph so you can see the distribution of votes. Then you can actually compare votes horizontally to see which A tier was leaning towards S tier and put them in order in each tier.

@Frost_Saber

Жыл бұрын

I think averaging out the votes to get the rank would make more sense, should a game really be considered A tier if most of the total votes were in the lower categories for example?

@gergokerekes4550

Жыл бұрын

@@Frost_Saber then that would be too easy to pull down. like a few reatrds who F any game they do not like will drag that down real fast.

@Frost_Saber

Жыл бұрын

@@gergokerekes4550 So you'd invalidate peoples votes just because you don't agree with them? All the votes together create the whole picture of how the game stands.

@gergokerekes4550

Жыл бұрын

@@Frost_Saber my man, you are insane if you think there would not be quite a big bunch of people who have never played a certain game yet would vote it 0 becouse it is not "their" game. just look at elden rings reviews when it got the award over gow, tons of 0 points, yes it is an opinion but it is worthless and meaningless.

@OMGPeppi

Жыл бұрын

@@Frost_Saber this is the most weird one here. if 40% vote F tier. but 30%S tier and 30% A-tier, then he would present it as F tier? very very weird ranking.

I started playing Secret World Legends a few months ago, and I've been thoroughly enjoying it. It's different from most MMOs, even if the community is practically dead. As someone who has played a lot of irritatingly similar MMOs, I find SWL's uniqueness to be refreshing.

@moohypunter6177

Жыл бұрын

Where did you find the link to the game? It's very hard to find it.

@DizzyWolf

Жыл бұрын

@@moohypunter6177 It's on Steam.

Project Gorgon does have a husband/wife combo that started it up. Both worked on Asheron's Call which is my favorite MMO.

@BangGotcha

Жыл бұрын

I miss the AC community!

Fiesta online was my first MMO back when it was run by outspark instead of gamigo, looking back it’s not great compared to other MMOs but I still have a lot of nostalgia for it. I remember my 12 year old self loving the experiences.

@lighty805

Жыл бұрын

Same here man and the music was great.

@skjarall

Жыл бұрын

I remember fiesta under outspark....it was amazing and I was about the same age maybe younger. the art and graphics were pretty cool wish i could go back to those days

I think it'd be interesting to see the average scores determine the tier list. Sure something may have the most C-Tier votes, but additional A B votes should push that score up.

@Ben-vi5ig

Жыл бұрын

Funny you say that, I just wasted way too much time using the stats from his video to do exactly that lol. Here are the results in case you're still interested: _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ S: A: Final Fantasy XIV (4.48), Guild Wars 2 (4.32), World of Warcraft: Dragon Flight (4.08) B: Old School Runescape (3.74), World of Warcraft: WotLK Classic (3.69), Elder Scrolls Online (3.56), New World (3.42), Lost Ark (3.29), V Rising (3.24), Albion Online (3.12), Star Wars the Old Republic (3.06), Black Desert Online (3.02) C: Guild Wars 1 (2.84), Runescape 3 (2.69), Lord of the Rings Online (2.66), EVE Online (2.59), Maplestory (2.49), Warhammer Online RoR (2.31), Final Fantasy XI (2.27), Neverwinter (2.13), Dungeons & Dragons Online (2.07), Lineage 2 (2.05), Archeage (2.05) D: PSO2 New Genesis (1.93), Tower of Fantasy (1.91), Blade & Soul (1.9), Project: Gorgon (1.9), RIFT (1.86), Conquerors Blade (1.78), AION (1.73), Vindictus (1.61), DC Universe Online (1.66), The Secret World(1.61), Mortal Online 2 (1.56), Undecember (1.56), Adventure Quest 3D (1.53), Embers Adrift (1.33), Sword of Legends Online (1.33), Allods Online (1.28), Skyforge (1.26), Metin 2 (1.22), Riders of Icarus (1.18) F: Bless Unleashed (0.96), Diablo Immortal (0.81), League of Angels 4 (0.76) _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Method used: ((F*0+D*1+C*2+B*3+A*4+S*5)/5)*6 S = 5-6 A = 4-5 B = 3-4 C = 2-3 D = 1-2

@blueballs11

Жыл бұрын

so c+

If we had it in 2011 I would say that Tera Online would be A or B because when it launched, this game was incredible. PS: you put the diablo immortal garbage and forgot about the pathof exile!

Great video and I've played near all of the mmo's on this list and the game that has been keeping me playing mmo's surprisingly is guild wars 2. I actually hated guild wars 2 back when it was a new game but after revisiting it and seeing how much content they have to offer and few of my friends play it daily with an active guild of cool folks. I give it a 6/10 due to graphics starting to feel a bit dated. However the amount of fun I have is easily a 9/10 for gw2 exploration, dynamic events, strikes and wvw. The world feels like it's alive and breathing during events and world bosses which is rare in most mmo's tbh. Specially old starting zones.

GW2 could easly get S tier once Arenanet(the devs) rework the World vs World game mode. There is a lot of potential in there, and if they play their cards right, gw2 could explode in popularity.

I gave EVE online a healthy run in 2019, with about 500 hours played when the Triglavian update happened. It was like Mythic+ dungeons being added to the game for those that wanted a challenge. At the end of each 10-minute run you got to enter a pvp pocket of space and if you wanted to stick around for a few minutes, could wait for a challenger to appear. 1v1 only, and only one ship gets to leave alive. Good fun. Overall, EVE is perfect as a game to hole up in your corner of the galaxy and either welcome or shoot-on-sight visitors into your home. You can choose to join a guild (corporation) to do this on a larger scale. As a solo player, you’ll find the most fun doing exploration into wormholes, which puts you deep into random quadrants of space where you can then go treasure hunting, or hunt other players. Best thing about eve is latency doesn’t matter. So everyone around the world plays together on one server.

@Salmon_Toastie

Жыл бұрын

Man wormhole space and relic data hacking made me feel cool as fuck on eve, it was the first time I put so much effort into a video game learning about game systems. Most games I go straight for pvp but in eve i fucking suck at it no idea why.

@bradyvilhauer4445

Жыл бұрын

Cool summary!! Eve always intrigued me and had such an insanely strong playerbase. It is so niche and seemingly complex. I’m happy for it & its community

@paulsd9255

Жыл бұрын

They’ve since moved that PVP area to its own thing, the Proving Grounds, though I am not sure if they’re still running those every weekend anymore.

@darkcrowsin666

8 ай бұрын

albion online is just like eve but with swords and magic but it have the same guilds drama pvp full loot fights ganking zvz wars all in one server and a lot of other things

Awesome review - I love the teasing moving the games up and down until you dropped them.. nice tension and anticipation.

You should have stated that only people who played each game can vote. Lotro and Swtor both deserve an A tier if anything for the IP and world building in a still going official mmo. Also you skipped over everquest, everquest project 1999, and SW Galaxy emu private server.

It would be nice to add a comparison screenshot of last years tier list at the end to see where games have moved to and rankings of new games as well.

@aetherealv2051

Жыл бұрын

^

Glad to see GW2 placed where it belongs in both lists, especially with everything they've teased recently.

@MateusMeurer

Жыл бұрын

what have they teased recently?

@Nihilq

Жыл бұрын

​@@MateusMeurer idk

I loved Aion so much, because is one of the few games where if you die, it hurts a lot, the adrenaline of not beeign killed in high rank to get better gear I have never experienced in any other game. However, any recomendation for a new pvp experience?

Community tier list for mmos went exactly how I would expect. I wish more of the video would have been your opinion over community.

It's cool to see by votes what mmo's are voted the best. I'm surprised Vindictus was voted so low but also surprised it's known enough to be on this list. Vindictus is my favorite game of all time. There are a lot of games I play on this list weather I've played them for an hour or a hundred hours. Keep up the good work

It's overwhelming for me to see GW2 that high! I used to learn reading by playing it back in 2012... It's been a long time and it still holds the most precious memories for me

@veo16

Жыл бұрын

GW2 is much different than 2012. I played back then myself. The new game is fun. Try it out if you are still gaming these days.

@ilovemanhwa9295

Жыл бұрын

Meaning of GW2😅?

@CheckThreeTimes

Жыл бұрын

​@@ilovemanhwa9295 guild wars

@ozbezarius922

Жыл бұрын

@@veo16 You can consider it one of the best mmo only after bying all dlc. Without dlc its just sad. No dlc means no mounts , no interesting and strong classes and a lot more.

@vox43

Жыл бұрын

For me GW2 was nothing more than Aion. I would put them in the same tier. Personally they didn't bring anything different from one another. Both just as bad

I agree with your Tier List way more than the communities, like astoundingly more, with a few exceptions. AQ3D I probably would have switched it with ToF, while AQ3D is really basic, it still had its classic AQ charm, personality and humor which was great for a decent 1 off adventure, but it really wasnt good for any more than that. and I woulda put ToF in F tier because really, there was just nothing that stood out to me. GW1 and LotRO I prolly would have put in the B Tier, while they are old and their age is apparent sometimes they are still a very enjoyable experience with LotRO still receiving updates, I regard LotRO because they really nailed the atmosphere and feel for adventure like hardly anything else. For me GW1 has always stuck by me, growing up playing it, so some of my bias may show in my fondness of the game, however with that said, I have started getting back into it(to finish getting the cosmetics for GW2) it still holds up really well with a healthy player base in spite of its age. I do have to knock it down a little cause it isnt technically an MMO though other than that, I feel like your personal Tier list is VERY accurate to how I feel as well (edit) looking back you added NW and ESO to A tier... personally I was a little disappointed by ESO however, I feel like it was a solid B tier, it was that bad, but there also wasnt a lot that put it up there on my list, with games like GW2, FF14 or even Albion. and New World... It was pretty bad, but the harvesting and crafting was satisfying and combat had a bit of weight to it, but it kinda lacked any thing else, Solid C tier at best tbh. and then recently, a buddy of mine convinced me to try it out again "because of the improvements". I did, and was appalled, the crafting that I actually kinda enjoyed was broken -_- that sapped all of my enjoyment from the game for the rest of my time and honestly I wouldnt play it again, while not as bad as diablo immortal I have a hard time believing D tier in the state it was in. When I looked up what was happening at the time, apparently several(almost 6 months prior) there was a bug, where sometimes your model would not face the crafting table and if this were the case, every crafting attempt always failed. well, they fixed this, so now your model no longer faced away from the table when you crafted... instead sometimes you would just no longer be able to craft, you would never know when this was going to happen anymore and the only way to know if your crafting was broken was to craft. the only solution I could find online was to just leave and come back until it worked... yeah... that sapped the hell out of what enjoyment I was getting and I quit... again. Sorry if that New World bit was a bit of a rant, I just couldn't let that disrespect slide (edit 2) I also noticed lost ark, I probably would put that in B Tier personally it was visually good and felt good, I just couldn't get into it, myself.

best tier list video Ive seen. love the community and Peon version. I kinda agree with Peon mostly....great video. well done. much respect. just add star citizen. it actually has a really robust community playing it. I am and actually love it

I really like this format/approach. Well done. I personally agree more with your list. But we’ll done on taking the communities input. Love it!

Gw1 was my best gaming experience I've ever had. I wish it was still popular.

@mycelialturtle643

Жыл бұрын

Same. I didn't play all that much, but that was my favourite PC game by far

@bdawg2592

Жыл бұрын

My favorite game of all time. I still log in and no-life it for about a month every 2 years or so

@thebigbucktheory5488

Жыл бұрын

@@bdawg2592 I tried to log into a few years back and do RA which was a favorite of mine but it was dead . The MAT was half bots and half real people which was awesome. Obs mode was really before it's time. It's similar to twitch. And the gvg has some striking similarities to a MOBA. I think alot of people get that same experience in a moba game without the grind but my fondest memories were pveing together with my guild and then pvping with me as well. I think this is missing. Gw2 also did nothing for me personally which is sad. I'm glad I'm not alone in my praise for gw1 though

@gregjross852

Жыл бұрын

I love GW2 but GW1 was just different. I really wish GW2 was more like GW1 but I wish I could have both😂

@mikemo599

Жыл бұрын

Preach

seeing this list i'm glad i play some of these games it's pretty scary that the old ones keep so high and newer ones are trying but just lack what people want lol

I remember watching a friend of mine playing what I think was a MMORPG. But I can't remember what the name of it was. I remember he could create several characters, and I remember that there was a spell thing at the bottom middle of the screen (one or two rows, I don't fully remember). Also this was in like 2012, 2013, 2014, or 2015 iirc. (Also it wasn't space, etc, it was some fantasy thing, also I remember some gigant bird iirc) I hope I can one day find it, and that it's still online.

As a GW2 main, I always love seeing the outpouring of love and passion our XIV cousins have for their game; sure, we have our own as well, but you guys from XIV have a really unique and wonderful way of showing it and it is just really wonderful to see.

@shine6783

Жыл бұрын

Well as someone that is currently playing some b tier mmos xD i gotta say even if community wasnt this passionate game is just really good.

@PLazz257

Жыл бұрын

Yaas.. we stan gw2!

@sorinnoctis652

Жыл бұрын

and as someone who primarily plays ffxiv, im really looking forward to joining GW2 fans. out of all the mmos i think its my lowkey favorite. just gotta convince my friends to try it.

@w2earthsouba464

Жыл бұрын

after i read you're comment i tried GW2 and i have to say, its a solide game yeah the free trial is not my taste but its the same with our free trial in XIV maybe i will buy the extention one days to fully play the game

@michaelmorton6566

Жыл бұрын

i need to give that game a try again

I find it really interesting that even though the community tends to be very vocal about combat systems and how important they are, that this poll of the community didnt place any significant weight on action combat systems.

@Freestyle80

Жыл бұрын

this 'community' is the vocal community as you can see by the FF14 overpraises

I'm really excited about the DGaaS model. I think it's the future of gaming and I'm glad to see that The Legends of Bezogia is at the forefront of this innovation.

It looks pretty accurate to me. I would've put GW2, WoW and FFXIV in the S tier just to create some distance between them and all others, and maybe moved up Aion to the C tier, but yeah pretty accurate.

Such a good vid man - perfect mix of your opinion and community opinion. The effort you put into these vids is very apparent and you're an asset to the community.

I agree that doing a community to your list is good. What I don't like about tier lists is the ambiguous rating system. My encouragement would be create a new rating system instead of s through f

I wonder where one of my favourite old MMOs, Dark Age of Camelot, would have rated. I haven't played the game in many many years and I'm not even sure if it still has a player base but my goodness it was fantastic.

@Trukkerkeps

Жыл бұрын

DAoC is still alive and kicking. It's a tad stale, but still pretty good.

Looking to get into playing an MMORPG. I had never played one before. I was thinking of either Runescape ( not the old-school Runescape cant deal with those graphics) or World of Warcraft. Also, looking for the game to be free or very cheap don't want to spend a lot of money on the game, and I'm not looking to pay for any in-game purchases. I also don't want it to be super complex. Any Recommendations?

Everquest/Everquest 2 and Dark Age of Camelot should be on those lists as they have larger communities then half of these games still.

@izikiel

Жыл бұрын

This ^

@absolute8342

Жыл бұрын

You could make an argument to say that none of the games in the list would even exist without EQ and DAoC. They are that influential and important. Everyone knows about EQ, even if you havent played it

@lovathon6365

Жыл бұрын

the main issue with either one is - you need to pay to actually enjoy the games otherwise you're painfully stuck in f2p (id say the worst being eq2) - THOUGH the one benefit to paying is you get 4 game subs for 1 price...

I love Old School RuneScape, the childhood memories keeps on returning while playing it, not to mention a lot of new contents as well

@ramencakes5196

Жыл бұрын

Osrs should be High A or S I feel like the only reason final fantasy won is because majority of his fans are weebs so they will vote for FF

@jonny7444

Жыл бұрын

Should be S

@user-np6ol2vw4q

Жыл бұрын

@@jonny7444 we arent 30, nobody young is playing osrs

@colonian83

Жыл бұрын

@@user-np6ol2vw4q im 19, love osrs but not sure why i've poured over a thousand hours into it. something about the progression, charm and obstacles of the game

@KingM119

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-np6ol2vw4q wrongo bucko

that oldschool WoW ambience music played in background bring backs memories

I feel like warhammer should be at the same tier as Albion, they kind of serve the same purpose with both being the secondary mmo you play on the side. Also warhammer has an active massive pvp scene that is rare to see nowadays even with new world being around.

If anyone is curious I did a Quick and Dirty averaging of scores. Took ~1 hour manually without access to raw data, so this could be cool for next time! Also setting a cutoff for minimum votes would be a good idea, as well as pushing to get a larger sample size. Just for fun though, 3k+ votes per game is pretty good. Estimating the outlier percentages since they're not usually shown (scores with complete information have 3 digits). Take a 0 to 5 (F to S) rating scale, multiply percentage by points, add up, then divide by 100. As it's an averaged score, and considering the sampling bias of MMORPG content fans, top and bottom tiers are impossible with raw score alone (A 4.60 requires 70% S, 20% A, 10% B minimum; inverse grades for an F). Adjusted category scores within the true raw score range are how I'll categorize since the list would be boring without a more even distribution. There are other adjustments to the data you could make, such as weighing plurality score or majority score more heavily to reflect community consensus. I'm no stats king, so I didn't go that far for a YT comment. Raw Scores: Adjusted Scores: 0.5 - 0.9 = Trash 0.0 - 0.5 = F 1.0 - 1.4 = F 0.6 - 1.5 = D 1.5 - 1.9 = D 1.6 - 2.5 = C 2.0 - 2.4 = C 2.6 - 3.5 = B 2.5 - 2.9 = B 3.6 - 4.5 = A 3.0 - 3.5 = A 4.6 - 5.0 = S 3.6 - 4.0 = S Trash League of Angels 4 = 0.5 Diablo Immortal = 0.6 Bless Unleashed = 0.8 F Allods = 1.0 Riders of Icarus = 1.0 Skyforge = 1.0 Swords of Legends = 1.0 Embers Adrift = 1.0 Metin 2 = 1.0 AQ3D = 1.2 The Secret World = 1.2 Vindictus = 1.2 Undecember = 1.3 Mortal Online 2 = 1.3 Rift = 1.4 Aion = 1.4 DCU = 1.4 D Blade and Soul = 1.5 Conqueror's Blade = 1.5 Tower of Fantasy = 1.6 Archeage = 1.6 PSO2 = 1.6 Project: Gorgon = 1.6 Neverwinter = 1.7 D&DO = 1.7 Lineage II = 1.7 Warhammer = 1.9 FFXI = 1.90 C Maplestory = 2.07 EvE = 2.1 LotRO = 2.1 RS3 = 2.2 Guild Wars = 2.37 B Albion = 2.5 BDO = 2.51 SWTOR = 2.55 V Rising = 2.70 LostArk = 2.74 New World = 2.85 A ESO = 2.96 WoW WotLK Classic = 3.07 OSRS = 3.11 WoW Dragonflight = 3.40 S GW2 = 3.60 FFXIV = 3.7 [Edits because math fixes]

@kaleb5926

Жыл бұрын

new world the newest here. in a year with good updates it could very well be s tier

@revanth4184

Жыл бұрын

This tier list is accurate, It makes sense Gw2 and WoW DF are the top.

@ArgentavisMagnificens

Жыл бұрын

fellow We Lost the Sea fan?

BDO has surprisingly improved a lot over the year of 2022, so many quality of life updates. Excited to see the new zone, apparently there will be boss type grind zones instead of mindlessly killing monsters in circles. If it's well made, it can go a long way for the game's future.

@baal8938

Жыл бұрын

Hope they develop the endgame before 2030

@nevolence

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really think they've started to find a good direction with the game now. Considering the sheer number of good changes they've put out recently I think BDO's potential is higher than ever.

@TimberlyPL

Жыл бұрын

Too bad that they have no idea about balancing and seem to make changes randomly, lahn striker and berserk have been top tier pve for years now and lets look at sage, he gets buffed to actually decent 2 weeks pass and hes getting nerfed

@biged7530

Жыл бұрын

@@TimberlyPL i dunno if im playing a different game... but imo BDO it's '' pretty '' balanced. For sure there are some classes that do bigger numbers just due to their kit.... for exmaple im a Tamer main since 3 years.... i put almsot the same numbers as my GM wich is a zerk main ober 3 years too... in side PvE all classes are near to eachother... just enjoy the thing you have fun with... and i forgot to mention ... i know maegu and woosa came out and they a bit overtuned especially maegu but they gonna nerf her anyways and it will be balanced... in my opinion the really going into the perfect direction ... they changed it so much into good with all thee changes compared to a year or two ago

@pigslayer275

Жыл бұрын

helo yes buff awakening wizard ty ily

personally i apply simple bell distribution to the teirlists. forces tough choices instead of shoving everything in the same teir

I am surprised Secret World Legends didn't even make it to the list. I know its not one of the most played, liked, or known MMOs but Id think it would still be better ranked than a lot of those that were mentioned. Compared to the list you have I think it would fit in the D or even C category.

Cool idea using the community to vote, it seemed a lot more accurate than I thought it would be. I agree with your list as well. Though I think the ratings of MMOs aren't so relevant to those niche audiences who are looking for once specific thing. Perhaps an idea you could do is an MMO flow chart, like if you want pay to win, then you go down the line with BDO league of angels or w/e, if you want gear grind down the FF14 and WoW line, horizontal progression then GW2.

@jinejujutsu3714

Жыл бұрын

I quite like the idea to be honest. Does such a flow chart exist? If yes, could you link it?

@Vallun

Жыл бұрын

@@jinejujutsu3714 it does not, it requires quite an experienced person to do so, which is why I thought peon would be the one to do it

@spaaaaace8952

Жыл бұрын

Don't be retarded. BDO is not nearly as P2W as other games in this list. Definitely not as P2W as Lost Ark or Albion, which Peon keeps simping for.

@Vallun

Жыл бұрын

@@spaaaaace8952 sorry im not making distinctions between mmos i dont know much about? But getting offended someone says BDO is pay to win is maybe not it man

@MMOStein

Жыл бұрын

A lot more accurate??? Bitch everything was in F tier lmao

"An expansion that people seem to be reviewing very positively early on." Could be used to describe almost every WoW Expansion. I think Cata is the only one I can think of that people immediately hated lol.

@GRIMHOOD99

Жыл бұрын

People were bashing MoP before it was even released but it was pretty good expansion.

@dabo150

Жыл бұрын

The last couple expansions have all been shit talked before they even came out, for good reasons. Dragonflight is the first good expansion since Legion.

@Chris____.

Жыл бұрын

@@dabo150 Bro stop lying, the vast mayority of WoW players love the first 3 months of a new expansion release and always talk good stuff (literally dicksuck blizzard) about it as if it was the best expansion ever. Then they either quit the game for 2 years or start bitching about all the problems of the expansion on the 3th month. This has happened with **Every single WoW expansion.**

@georgeallison6528

Жыл бұрын

@@GRIMHOOD99 It was probably the top 3 overall even, and some can argue MOP was the best pve expansion.

@tjtower

Жыл бұрын

People hated it, but now they look back and go “ehhh, it wasn’t really that bad” - mostly because it just kept getting worse for years I personally loved cata

good format for lists 🔥

I feel like to get an accurate judge of where the rankings belong, you would have needed to average out the ratings and compare them against each other. But I acknowledge that would be a lot more work on your part.

Extra comment supporting GW2 c: Hoping it can continue to rise to become S tier. Went through so many MMO's over the years trying to find the right one. Constantly always came back to GW2 and have found its now the one I enjoy the most and will always have space in my heart for. I do struggle with it as a solo player sometimes, as being in a guild helps tremendously for endgame content and getting other things completed faster. However it definitely is playable solo, just need to find the right parties to join for endgame content.

@wingnutmcspazatron3957

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah dude! I am the same way, always coming back.. Best MMO in my humble opinion.

@Pivotwrath

Жыл бұрын

If only the game was better optimized and not so single core cpu driven, the fps drops are huge

@ToukaGontier

Жыл бұрын

@@Pivotwrath Yeh definitely in larger player areas. Though it is pretty friendly at least with what specs you need to join with on low graphics. I play with integrated graphics maxing out both my GPU and CPU but I still play with minimal lag, just low fps (about 30 at best in mistlock). Though my PC black screens trying to run DX11 in anything that isnt windowed mode sadly :c

So glad I hopped on GW2 like a month ago. This video made me feel good haha

Only played 11 out of those MMOs but the overall ranking in both the community vote and your personal vote are pretty fair. What people might forget is that everyone has different interests in an MMO. For some the content has the highest importance. Some put high standards on the visuals and some need a flawless action combat system. I personally value visuals and combat the most which is why Lost Ark is currently the best MMO for me. It has limited weekly-restricted content which might be a negative for many people but I don't mind it. BnS was just amazing at launch and the content of WoW is simply amazing. Just a little sad to see Metin2, my childhood game, to be F Tier but I can see why. It's just hardcore p2w and very very old which makes it unplayable nowadays if you're not an old fan of it.

@numb9867

Жыл бұрын

can relate i would love to play like a remake of metin2, now there are only people that spend money on itemshop or bots . I remeber gold times of metin there were so many shops on main channel that your pc was lagging hah

@tangomilano4503

Жыл бұрын

metin2 private servers tho?

i want to find an MMO most similar to Riders of Icarus because i’m very interested in collecting different mounts. any recommendations?

As a former Neverwinter player Im surprised it reached C tier, Id probably vote for D or F with all the crappy changes and monetization that keeps creeping in. After NW I migrated to FF14 and Im so happy to see it so close to S tier, Id definitely wouldve voted for S as well. My experience in the game has been great. I miss my guildies in NW but I cant with how shit the game became, when I migrated to FF14 the difference was night and day and it reinforced my decision. I only wish that NW got better, I wouldnt mind paying a monthly sub if it meant getting quality game play and design like in FF14.

@Demandrer539

Жыл бұрын

Neverwinter was always something I wanted to play but graphics looked poor etc. Was the pvp any good in it?

@meow-wv9yc

Жыл бұрын

i tried to get into ff14 but its so slow and fetchy

@shirophoenix01

Жыл бұрын

@@Demandrer539 never played pvp but my guildies always complained about how dead pvp was. Its been a major complaint and as far as ive heard it hasnt received any updates that are meaningful. Its been a while since i payed any attention to updates tho so i could be wrong.

@shirophoenix01

Жыл бұрын

@@meow-wv9yc it indeed can get fetchy. The quests are slow too. I just like the rest of it, its what makes me look past the tediousness of the never ending fetch quests. I do get that its not for everyone tho and thats cool too :)

I have almost 1,500 hours in GW2 and can't imagine playing another MMO this much and enjoying it the whole time.

@GsxrNYX

Жыл бұрын

I never could get into it it looks amazing but I guess just not having friends who play it is probably the biggest reason it never held

@DragneelXL

Жыл бұрын

@@GsxrNYX I have played more than 1000h too and the 80% solo. Im a lone wolf. I have friends that have the game too but they barely play. The community is too good and people will join you to help on whatever you need. If it looks amazing to you, give it a try, it is really better than it looks and you would enjoy playing solo a lot. (sry for my english)

@mixuaquela123

Жыл бұрын

I have 14k hours on OSRS and still enjoying it XD.

@kobeworld

Жыл бұрын

saying u have 1500 hours in a mmorpg equal to say u are a HUGE NOOB

@TheTanakaMiyuki

Жыл бұрын

@@kobeworld lmao I have 4k hours in ff xiv, what does that make me then?

personally i love and will always love DCUO, i quit 2-2nd a half years ago but it holds a special place in my heart. If the devs got rid of p2w and actually worked on their game/pvp they'd have a ton of players come back. its just most players have quit coz of lack luster updates, p2w shop for everything, broken pvp, and a grind that feels so long for so little. imo not and F tier game, since you can play it for free and still enjoy somewhat the gameplay it has to offer. D tier seems a good fit till it gets some love for the devs

Everybody forgets about Dungeons and Dragons Online, fantastic free to play MMORPG with a large diversity of classes, even at that you can go into other classes and being different start such as a cleric and be mixed with monk and archer etc.., races, and even reincarnations with a past life ability from previous class

Very Nice video P ! personally I play Guild War 2and Lost Ark but mainly GW2 cause i found the best pvp experience in Arena and in the open, the possibility of creating your own classe with a great variety of builds and weapons make it a unique game. The Pve is good too, the mount systeme is maybe the best out there... Lost Ark in the other part have the most hard core donjon out there that s why i still playing it XD

I 100% agree with YOUR tier list. The community has so much emotion behind their game of choice and I understand that. I just feel like you’ve always had an unbiased take on MMOs.

@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it

Жыл бұрын

unbiased? he put wow in A tier. classic and retail in A fking tier. mediocre overhyped nostalgia driven games. dragonflight is overrated and ppl are praising it bcuiz they had 3 terrible expansions before it. gw2, swtor and ff14 mops the floor with wow retail and classic. and all the normies and neckbeards saying otherwise just live in denial for 10+ years.

@johnaldjensen4617

Жыл бұрын

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it WoW is in A tier because it's the most popular game simple as, chud,but yeah, you're totally not in denial yourself LOL. A 14 year old re-release *alone* windmill dunks on FF - Naxxramas having 1.5x more raidlogs than the entirety of every single FF encounter tells you all you need to know, not even including Retail here. 😂🙂

@CrypticElements

Жыл бұрын

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it LOL

@aarondrivesabus

Жыл бұрын

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it as he said, community has so much emotion lmfao

@mattsonepiece-

Жыл бұрын

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it cry harder

I think Guild Wars 2 is a really amazing game(my personal favorite), but whenever I mention it irl to people who also play videogames, they usually haven't even heard of Guild Wars 2. I feel like the main reason for this is that Arenanet sucks with marketing, they do practically none and it's probably the one area I want them to work the most on so they can attract new players. I've noticed that Gw2's playerbase consists of a lot more veterans compared to other games(even those who played Gw1, there's a surprising number), and on one hand that's good because it means that a lot of the people that play are staying and not just never looking back at the game again, but it also means that the game is getting an unhealthy lack of fresh blood. Because veterans can't sustain a game forever, they get a family or get otherwise too busy, get tired of it, maybe even die etc. The point is that those veterans don't last forever. The future of a game is determined by new players, so I think if they marketed more, then the game would become a lot more well known and gain a LOT more players

Loved this well done!

If you're looking to try out Eve Online some helpful suggestions: Each part of the game has its own dynamics etc: Hi-Sec, LoSec, Nullsec and Wormholes. If new, be sure to join a corp/alliance with newbie classes, I went through Eve Uni and they got me to stick around.

@bobar84c

Жыл бұрын

Eve online is on another lvl... cant compare it to themepark mmos. I dont recommend it at all🤣. When I said to my friend that I was at eve uni and had classes with powerpoint slides it was immediate turn off.

I'd have averaged out each of the votes to determine the tier the game ended up on, rather than on whichever tier got the most votes. Either way, really interesting how the list ended up - not sure I agree with a lot of votes. 😅

Was really surprised to see the community put Trove in F tier. It's not the greatest MMO but F tier is crazy

@lilsnipertc4513

Жыл бұрын

Ture i enjoy the game I believe at the moment its a C tier game for me personally it also can have some good Potential if the devs gave the game things the community wanted but its good for now

@bugboy9915

7 ай бұрын

trove was fun but the game was so easy to flythrough and its gameplay was decent but the recycled enemies and repetition got old fast played it for a week and all that changed was enemies health steadily going up until it became a chore to kill a single enemy. its no minecraft because you only build in a tiny plot to make a sort of house and thats it it lacked alot of things other mmos do better i would say trove deserves a c at least its good for young audiences and it had fun moments but i would reserve trove for kids theres not enough depth to engage in for older audiences

I cant choose between archeage or guild wars 2, as i am also into building. Im a starting player. Any reccommandation?

I can't believe how oblivious most players in the west are to Ragnarok online. The game was launched earlier than WoW and still has a lot of aspect to it that is better than most of the games in this list. It was an MMO ahead of its time.

@tjtower

Жыл бұрын

A lot of good older games were omitted or just thrown in D/F because this community has never played them. I loved RO back in the day

I personally would put ONLY Old School Runescape in the S tier because it still captures the heart of what an MMORPG is. Right now a MMOs define an MMORPG by certain features, namely: leveling zones with linear quests to progress to the "real game" which is raids and dungeons. However, I do not think features define an MMORPG and you get into rather limiting game design if you do. This is true for FFXIV as well, which in my opinion has a horrible leveling experience that is veiled by a legitimately good story. However, this is not the case for Old School Runescape as it emphasizes the "RPG" part of MMORPG and has fantastic storylines as well (although definitely not as emotional). That being said, the monotony of the grind, the graphics, and gameplay of combat (especially for earlier content) can definitely steer people away from the game which is a justified reason to put it in A tier.

@ramencakes5196

Жыл бұрын

So true I think it only lost because his veiwer base is majority weebs so they voted for FF more.

Great video. I agree with your final assessment.

I still play FF11 and is so much fun now. Very different from other mmorpg's. I would give it a A or B tier in my opinion because you need to Google most of the msq. Old school lv 75 era would have been in D or F tier since it was very slow to lv.

@Microverse1

11 ай бұрын

Back during Chains it was God tier. IMO the best MMO ever. I don't play anymore though. In its current state it doesn't do much for me. They tried to WOW-ify it to increase its popularity and make it more solo friendly. Which destroyed the soul of the game IMO.

2022 had been a very strong year for GW2-that is compared to its previous years anyway. But it really needs to keep up the momentum and release actual, new content. There's been some QoL changes, class balance changes and some form of revitalization of old content like Living World S1, as well as the alliance betas for WvW, all of which are great. I hope that the new LW chapter is solid and high quality so that we know they are committed to giving us quality new content going forward. The latest expansion is decent, but Heart of Thorns and Path of Fire amazed me in various ways that End of Dragon didn't. That's something I'd like to see changed, even if it comes from the LW episodes.

@realcolormusic

Жыл бұрын

GW2 is a great game, but the colors make me blind. Every time I started it I felt like after looking at a flashbang in counterstrike. But I can fully recommend it for the content. I was beta tester back then, and it was the only MMO I played till the end, because I don't got bored.

@charlesdesbrosses9931

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully they let us turn vfx from other players down someday...

@pinnacull

Жыл бұрын

@@realcolormusic the colors can be quite bright, however you can make them significantly darker by going into settings>graphics> and turn off postprocessing.

@procerator

Жыл бұрын

@@realcolormusic stop playing mesmer :D

@MrFearlesskiller

Жыл бұрын

i tried it and it was boring af

Fun format! If you're mathematically inclined, it would be interesting to use a weighting system (%Svotes * 6 + %Avotes * 5 +...). It could better classify games that have say 30% voting C, 29% voting D, and 29% voting F, where the most people did vote C, but overall sentiment seems to lean more as a D. Of course, the score boxes would have to shift a bit toward the center since people can't vote higher than an S or lower than an F (S wouldn't be able to be just 5.5-6 with A as 4.5-5.5, etc)

After playing WoW, GW2, FF14, Black Desert, Albion, Trove, TES Online. And Neverwinter Online is my favourite still, with WoW and GW2 sharing the second place

Just got back into gw2 and man it’s good

FFXI in F tier is a crime

@vagiasthanasis

Жыл бұрын

Truth. Clearly not many people have played this game but still voted

@triple1

Жыл бұрын

Is it an MMORPG ?

@vagiasthanasis

Жыл бұрын

@@triple1 yes

@tjtower

Жыл бұрын

So many of these comments keep coming up - I really wish one of these MMO KZreadrs would jump in and try the game out. It has like 99% of what they all ask for besides action combat and PvP

@Ephremjlm1

Жыл бұрын

@@tjtower Its funny because out of all people Ninja stated streaming a classic server of it a few years ago and he was still getting like 2k-3k viewers during his stream. A bunch of people tried it and found that the game was actually really good. Yeah its an older game so its gonna be a little foreign but surprisingly a lot of new people got into it.

Wow can't believe trove and conqueror's blade were both put in F tier, both mmo were unique with amazing identity.

@bradyvilhauer4445

Жыл бұрын

Trove was pretty dope. It was so hack n slash plus a bit of adventure. I’ve always loved games where you can plop your home down in common areas like trove. Super cool concept, very very friend-driven (as in, playing with friends was aeons better than alone, imo)

my favorite mmo is still eso because theres alot more than just raids and dungeons i like following along the stories and quests i find some of them interesting and relates to elderscrolls lore and the feel each zone has is very realistic from morrowwind with slavery and chitinous creatures to valenwood with the nature and wood elfs to to arid desert of alikir dessert and craglorn. it also has custom housing which makes you feel a part of the world eso is one of the most mmorpg feeling games out there because it feels like a roleplaying game like morrowind, oblivion and skyrim even though skyrim isnt really a rpg more like an action adventure game with rpg ellements but truth be told eso has somthing for everyone.