Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJyaz6mGZsvZp6w.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Roger Gracie is a legendary jiu jitsu competitor and MMA fighter.

What an interesting conversation with a genuine legend. Humble and truthful. No evasion of questions, no dissembling. Thank you.

Roger is so honest in his opinion and statements. It’s doesn’t even come off as cocky because you can feel that guys belief in himself. What a Legend!

@diogo082

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah.

@jamiepaugh2841

Жыл бұрын

I don't find it cocky because Roger has lived everything he's saying.

Was cool how Roger took ownership of not doing everything needed to be the very best at mma , the way he did jiu-jitsu. That self honesty and attitude is one of many reasons why he is such a bad-ass

Brutally honest the differences between BJJ and MMA. Refreshing to hear a BJJ expert honest about this.

Roger pretty much confirmed all my suspicions. The Main guards for MMA are "Full" guard, half guard and butterfly guard. And the biggest threat to Jiu Jitsu is space in MMA. If you want further examples of this, you can look at Ryan Hall and Garry Tonon getting KOd in recent history. I was a bit surprised they didn't talk more about what Jiu Jitsu lacks which is wrestling, you must ask yourself, how are you going to get the fight to the ground for your submission game?

@blazingheartproductions

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Jiu-Jitsu is about controlling distance, & namely disallowing the opponent the ability to create necessary space to strike. That's never been a mystery, its integral to the art. Also, there's plenty of effective takedowns in JJ. Don't mistake sport JJ for all Jiu-Jitsu!

@xmanc5687

Жыл бұрын

The other part that puts BJJ in disadvantage is the time clock. A great guy like Roger relaxes and takes his time, but the time limit doesnt allow u to do that, since the more aggresive guy would get the decision. Thats why wrestlers hv such a great advantage. Their game is fast paced from the beginning. Its easier for wrestlers to transition into MMA.

Tim Kennedy escaping his back control is still amazing

@MistaJayLJ

Жыл бұрын

I believe danahar studied this fight and came up with bits of this to help back escapes for his team

@iamthelizardking6239

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Tim is a criminally underrated grappler, he may be annoying at times but dude is a monster. Man went toe to toe with roger, Yoel and mauled Bisping who’s no slouch on the ground.

@fcz

Жыл бұрын

I believe Roger had an absolutely horrible weight cut for that fight. I'm not sure the outcome would be the same if he didn't cut such an extreme amount of weight

@iamthelizardking6239

Жыл бұрын

@@fcz I mean Tim cuts from 230 down to 185 so not like he’s not cutting a ton of weight too.

@fcz

Жыл бұрын

@@iamthelizardking6239 different body types. Roger is a big man. 84kg at 6 feet 4 it a ridiculous weight. Tim 5'11. But yeah, I get your point that Tim also cuts. I just know that Rogers cut was fairly rough

This guy is the most Likeable Gracie.

@MrMrbrianbechtel

Жыл бұрын

Rener, Ruron, Relson and Renzo are very good people

BJJ will always have a place in MMA but it will be a tool to win rather than a solution.

@Figgs101

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY

This man is like The Warrior Spirit in the flesh. When he speaks about passion and love, you know he's honest. When he speaks about duty, that's another level...It's like Moses bringing down the the Tablets of the Law from the very hands of God up there in Mount Sinai... It sounds like Truth. From Scotland to the Amazonian Forest, true clansman blood runs through his veins.

Very honest man. Would love to see BJJ evolve with just punches to the body, no gloves feel it would really improve the self defense aspect.

@tomboyce1857

Жыл бұрын

Combat bjj has striking

@skarhead7597

Жыл бұрын

We already have Combat Jiu-Jitsu...slaps to the face are even better than body punches

@edboss36

Жыл бұрын

@@skarhead7597 yes exactly, a technique mastered by the Ottoman Turks. Imagine seeking a guy getting killed by slaps you'd not want to fight him hahaha

@anonanon1879

Жыл бұрын

@@skarhead7597 not when it comes to brain damage

Roger is the greatest - a soft spoken stud.

Please get Marcelo Garca on!

Peace and love out of France 🏕️

Why is Roger acting like he's being deposed at a child support hearing?

@LarsAndersenFrihed

Жыл бұрын

😄

@guilhermekermentzferrazcos5652

Жыл бұрын

I mean, lex does look like a lawyer...

Lol lex throwing shade

Otherwise it's impossible it's extremely difficult. Thank you and God bless you in Jesus Christ name Amen

For a police officer would you guys recommend doing bjj only or a mma class that involves bjj, boxing, wrestling etc.

@mukane

9 ай бұрын

MMA but focus on grappling more. I would say using BJJ as a base is perfect, But you need to have all facets of unarmed combat down

@Anthony-nd7ld

5 ай бұрын

Definitely MMA without doubt if someone punch you kick you, you need to be able to protect yourself and control him down therefore it would be more easy with mma

When u have the danger of being knocked unconscious u breathe and move different there is no question about it.

@uncircumcisedcircus

Жыл бұрын

The emotions are VERY different for sure.

Never understood why he dropped weight classes in MMA.

I feel like people who sit an only train sport BJJ can't mentally grasp the effects striking has on your ground game.. Like look at lex, it's almost like he didn't believe anything Roger was saying about BJJ being totally different in MMA.. Your 5'6 and 140lb.. Try putting someone in a triangle while they are throwing bombs at you, unless you've trained pro in MMA you're getting your ass beat, facts... Sport BJJ people literally dont have chins cause they've never felt a hit from another man on their jaw.

@nomasmedia2053

Жыл бұрын

Your exactly right. That’s why bjj guys should train boxing enough just to get used to sparring and getting hit, and the intensity. A lot of bjj guys aren’t used to that level of agggression.

@rico14

Жыл бұрын

It’s a completely different world. There’s purple belts that sub me in less than a minute in bjj. However in mma I can comfortably control them. Bjj guys also underestimate getting punched in the face.

@abyss5883

Жыл бұрын

It goes both ways that's the beauty of MMA. You see BJJ guys get squashed and you see BJJ guys pull off miracle submissions

@rico14

Жыл бұрын

@@abyss5883 it’s so rare though. Ryan hall couldn’t even make it works once he fought the best.

@Mr_Sh1tcoin

Жыл бұрын

​@@rico14 Ryan hall's jiu jitsu doesn't carry over well for MMA, same as Gordon Ryan. Buchecha's top heavy, aggressive pressure is much more suited. You can see it in his fights, much better crossover.

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"There's no attacks from the closed guard," says the guy who has clearly never grappled with someone 10" taller than him 😂

@JamesIanGilliam

Жыл бұрын

meaning when you're in someone's closed guard, you have very few attacks, which is true.

@dyonesios

Жыл бұрын

@James Ian Gilliam then how do 6'1 guys keep choking my 5'4" ass from inside my closed guard 😂 I think what closed guard players forget is that the main defense of the closed guard is distance, and if their arms are longer than your legs, it kind of stops working 😅

@joaopaulocataldi

Жыл бұрын

@@dyonesios it sounds like you are giving them easy ezekiels.

Good stuff. MMA is closer to an actual fight than sport jiu jitsu.

@rochahouse4883

Жыл бұрын

Lmao no shit 🤣

@paralleluniverse99

Жыл бұрын

Wow, what an insight.

@nenaddabic7994

Жыл бұрын

I thik WWE is even closer

@peterprochilo4555

Жыл бұрын

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...except the current enthusiasm for sports jiu jitsu and its growth and development might suggest otherwise. I would agree with Roger that many of these skillsets do not translate into "real fights" (although the practitioners would probably fare well against a random guy on the street, it's questionable whether the sport approach would find success in a more "fight"-like environment...which was where the art originated from).

@peterprochilo4555

Жыл бұрын

I've see remarks from older school jiu jiteiros to the effect that modern jiu jitsu has gotten more effective. Which is almost certainly true, given the dynamics of sport competition That said, and given the original context of jiu jitsu was "fight situations" you would think that would translate into greater domination in the ring (i.e. more-like-a-real-fight situations). But that doesn't seem to be what's happening. Beyond the basic skillset needed for entry (guard play), the sports, as they separately evolve, seem to be diverging. Old school jiu jitsu at least retained the "fight" context. So yeah, although said facetiously, in some ways WWE is more like a real fight than sports jiu jitsu. Raising the question, at least to me: why practice it, if it's not necessarily going to translate to actual fighting?

He is brazilian but have a european accents.

@sinatracann1591

Жыл бұрын

he lives in london

MMA fighters can hold their own in jiu jitsu. Brendan Schaub came into a BJJ tournament and shut down Cyborg.

@omardiangeloarteaga4875

Жыл бұрын

Run From cyborg

Out of the three main fighting disciplines striking, wrestling and bjj. Bjj has the least amount of carry over, and needs to be altered the most to work in mma.

@danielfrancisco9469

8 ай бұрын

Ehh, there’s more BJJ base champs in MMA than striking base champions (all time). Because of the early UFCs it can be argued that BJJ is THE base art of mma. Every fighter knows some of it. Every single one. Even the most pure strikers (Adesanya, Mcgregor, Silva, etc) are all high level BJJ belts. This is simply because you basically can’t be an MMA fighter without BJJ. You can be one without great striking, and without great wrestling, but you need to know a decent amount of BJJ to survive in the cage. The only exception is other grappling arts that teach much of the same concepts (Sambo, Judo), but you can’t be a successful MMA fighter without those concepts

I think of Roger's generation had more no gi jujitsu his mma career would have been a little more successful. A lot og Gi techniques are gone when you are wearing nothing but shorts. Also he should have trained his rnc woth gloves on. Rolling with mma gloves is a different beast.

This is why I don’t do Gi jj…. Too slow. No Gi BJJ is faster, harder to pin people more skill and challenge.. Avoid the Gi

@LarsAndersenFrihed

Жыл бұрын

Because you'd never have to fight a guy wearing pants and a jacket. Right...

@elijah8970

Жыл бұрын

Dude is that what he said? He’s training for street fights? No, he just said which one he prefers.

@kgill99

Жыл бұрын

@@LarsAndersenFrihed the vast majority of people you meet the vast majority of time aren't wearing jackets

@outofmytr3317

Жыл бұрын

@@kgill99 I used to think this until I changed the city I lived in. In Melbourne the majority of people are wearing jackets 9 months of the year. If you want to be well rounded you need to train for all reasonable scenarios.

@LarsAndersenFrihed

Жыл бұрын

@@kgill99 ppl are not wearing jackets and clothing that can be gripped? Come visit Denmark and take a look.

The problem with BJJ is that its just not the greatest for MMA and a real fight.

@realtruth1448

11 ай бұрын

@dnomyarakunawik38a wrestler or judoka who learns kickboxing will be more dangerous than BJJ guy who learns kickboxing, BJJ submissions are extremely hard to pull off when there’s striking involved, especially if they can defend well against you, it’s literally useless

@vaterpolistzg

9 ай бұрын

​@@realtruth1448i would say Judo throw is even harder to do in mma.Wrwstling is far more usefull on MMA than Judo.

@realtruth1448

9 ай бұрын

@@vaterpolistzg that’s true, trying to hit a no gi judo throw on someone who’s trying to punch kick knee & elbow you is going to be really hard, mma is the perfect example of what to use in a self defense situation for hand to hand combat Double & single legs Trips & sweeps That’s it, judo vs wrestling, judo is better, but when striking comes into play, the simplicity of wrestling shines, and judo dims For self defense MMA all day, but if you only want to train grappling for self defense then judo takes the cake, in particular sambo, because sambo is literally real judo

@realtruth1448

9 ай бұрын

@@vaterpolistzg you must remember judo is basically gi wrestling, sport judo took away the double & single leg takedowns, sambo is the original judo where it is shirt wrestling, but to keep things simple a single leg takedown is one of the best things you can do in mma, because you can fake the takedown and t off

I like lex but some obvious questions.. what is the difference in mma Ju Jitsu?… uhhh other guy pinching you in the face makes it a little different

@intrepidrants7643

Жыл бұрын

calm down m8. Obviously not everyone is a know it all like you.

@00000000mb

Жыл бұрын

Of course there are obvious differences, but someone who’s done both at a high level is likely going to have some insights about it that regular people won’t. This was a perfectly reasonable question.

@gurneymcbuzzin

Жыл бұрын

The pinching isn't that bad but it's the punching that hurt.

@WARHIGH15

Жыл бұрын

lol ur just hating

@rochahouse4883

Жыл бұрын

Pinching? That must be annoying. 🤭😂

Lexus called Rodgers closed guard smug.

Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth

The fact is BJJ can help against an untrained attacker without a doubt, but MMA changes everything. Roger talks about his guard, but I would never think of guard in MMA, top position always, if I find myself on the bottom I think like a wrestler, getting back on top is my goal. Saying that, if I had a guard like Roger, then maybe it would be different. This is not a disrespect to Roger or BJJ, I think that it is great and he is great too,