Hi, Chadi! Nice video! Do you know Fadda Jiu Jitsu? They are older than the gracies. Its creator Luiz França learned judô from 3 masters in 1916: Soichiro Satake, Mitsuyo Maeda and Gae Omori. The Fadda family taught jiu-jitsu for the poor people in Rio de Janeiro. The Gracies taught only for very rich people. There's a good brazillian documentary about Fadda Jiu-Jitsu.

@profegaitero

7 ай бұрын

Esos son los que conocen un amplio repertorio de sometimientos de tobillos.

@chrisgeorge7809

7 ай бұрын

I've been interested in Fadda's school ever since reading about it. Do you know the name of the documentary and if there are English (or Spanish even) subtitles by chance?

@NoControle17

7 ай бұрын

Luiz França trained Jiu Jitsu with Carlos Gracie, then went to teach at the Navy, where he taught Jiu Jitsu to Oswaldo Fadda.

@filipealvespereirabento4499

7 ай бұрын

@@NoControle17 sim, pelo que vi, ele e Carlos aprenderam juntos com o Maeda.

@marcelodiaz5006

3 ай бұрын

Love Fadda lineage! They were the prime of the leg locks in their time, now it evolved in the modern game! Pretty underrated lineage, and should be more known in martial arts history

Old Helio not just invented the bottom game and leverage but he also invented Japan and the samurai class.

@niccolacastagnino9639

7 ай бұрын

😅😅😅

@silkplayer9

6 ай бұрын

He also raised the sun to create Japan itself.

@jleano609

3 ай бұрын

And the telephone, years before Alexander Graham Bell. Born afterwards you say? Helio invented a working time machine also.

It's crazy how so many people are still saying that Helio created the guard and leverage. I used to say the same thing when I started BJJ because that's what I was taught but I know better now. I can't speak for others who are still saying such things about Helio.

@rangelo8908

7 ай бұрын

Helio problably did not even create his own email address.

@jesselowe9374

7 ай бұрын

@@rangelo8908 LOL

@scarred10

7 ай бұрын

Who the hell would believe he created the guard and only a halfwit would think he invented leverage I grappling.

@JEFFMAN90

6 ай бұрын

Just like Kano did not create anything. He just took a bunch of techniques from Japanese Ju Jutsu

@rangelo8908

6 ай бұрын

@@JEFFMAN90 He never claimed to invent anything but he did put together a structured that was the biggest influence in martial arts history. Helio? Just took credit for things he never did.

Chadi came hard with the indisputable historical facts once again. Chadi is creating the greatest Jiujitsu & Judo historical video library on earth

1:30-2:01 By that logic, any TKD/Karate practitioner who utilize knee strikes and elbows is automatically a Muay Thai practitioner..even though the Okinawan books from pre-1945 show they already had similar methods. Wow, copyright in martial arts is out of control.

A lot of people do not research and assume everything is new. Which is extremely odd when close combat was somewhat more the norm than today. With the exception of throwing objects and arrows etc.

Thanks for sharing. You also review and remind the basics in this video

Very interesting! I love the old footage. They used to tie their belts like an old belt sash tie, tucking the tails back into the knot. Sometimes, in other film I've seen, it even seems like they all tied them sideways or ran th tails down through the top of the knot.

Tarow Ty Hayashi-Ito came from The Japanese internment camp martial school. The older men in the camps some who had been in the United States most of their lives taught the younger generation their arts. The U.S. guards would let them train and also box and grapple the incarcerated Japanese in a type of cross cultural bonding through combat.

“during March and April 1904, Roosevelt practiced judo three afternoons a week, using a ground floor office in the White House as his workout space. Then, for the rest of the summer, he practiced occasionally. He stopped training during the elections, and there is no record showing that he resumed his studies afterward. The President’s training partners included his sons, his private secretary, the Japanese naval attache, Secretary of War William Howard Taft, and Secretary of the Interior Gifford Pinchot. When these people were unavailable, then Roosevelt tried his tricks on husky young visitors.” He was taught by Yamashita Yoshiaki, the pioneer of Judo in The US, and a direct student of Jigaro Kano. President Roosevelt trained jiu-jitsu to lose 20 pounds prior to an election Yamashita went to the White House to meet President Theodore Roosevelt. Roosevelt practiced wrestling and boxing while in the White House, and he had received jujutsu jackets from William Sturgis Bigelow and jujutsu lessons from J. J. O’Brien, a Philadelphia police officer who had studied jujutsu while living in Nagasaki. Roosevelt was impressed with Yamashita’s skill, and during March and April 1904, Yamashita gave judo lessons to the President and interested family and staff in a room at the White House. Subsequently, at other locations, Yamashita and his wife Fude gave lessons to prominent American women, to include Martha Blow Wadsworth (sister of Kindergarten pioneer Susan Blow), Hallie Elkins (wife of US Senator Stephen Benton Elkins), and Grace Davis Lee (Hallie Elkins’ sister), and their children.

@CoelhoSports

7 ай бұрын

Roosevelt didn't just become interested in grappling upon arrival in the white house. He started boxing as a young kid, boxed in intramural tournaments at harvard, had military training in the national guard and rough riders that included some hand to hand, boxed several times a week and trained with former world greco roman champ (later chair of NYSAC) bill muldoon as governor of ny, trained in catch with top grapplers, and had a boxing ring in the white house basement as well as wrestling matts. frank gotch was at the white house twice and grappled one of roosevelt's japanese jits guys one of those times. another time roosevelt said "if i wasn't president of the united states, i would like to be george hackenschmidt". roosevelt appointed tom jenkins as instructor at west point in 1905, a job he kept until 1942, and roosevelt also trained with naval academy wrestling coach tom graft. roosevelt was surrounded by top catch guys.

@pastlast158

7 ай бұрын

Bill Clinton also practiced some grappling/wrestling in the White House 🤩🤩

❤ Thank you for this video.

Bjj is just judo. Judo is just wrestling with a jacket. So is Westmoreland, Georgian chidaoba, Mongolia ln bokh. No one invented anything, it's been around 1000's of years.

Hawaii was full of Jujutsu in the early 1900 Master Yashimatsu Tanaka taught many there including the founder of Kodenkan Danzan Ryu Jujitsu Professor Seishiro Okazaki. Danzan Ryu Jujtisu was founded in the 1920s. Okazaki also went to Japan and got lessons from Kano in Judo. This Jujitsu style was not highly known for grappling like BJJ it's more of a throwing art but still has the Shime list of ground techniques.

Chadi! Você conhece os livros de Marcial Serrano, publicados no Brasil?

Indeed, BJJ is Judo with a different emphasis and rules.

I agree the bjj creation myth needs to be updated. The only point of yours I disagree with is that new things aren’t created. There is a drastic difference between judo today and the start of judo. Same with bjj today vs Helio. The meta game and systemization of each sport both of these sports have evolved. I would like to see a merging of the sports and I think it’s going that direction. The new arms race in bjj is takedowns. And in judo there seems to be more refs that are allowing more time on the newaza game.

@jordanleonard6540

7 ай бұрын

They wouldn't need to merge anything. It's all judo just rebranded and modified. After having done jiu jitsu, I can say it just seems like they decided to teach it backwards. Teaching ground game first and takedowns later. I would rather just find a judo gym to go to unless they decide to quit the takedown arms race as you say and just teach judo takedowns.

@vids595

7 ай бұрын

jiujitsu came long before judo. And whet we do today had lots of wrestling mixed in as well.

@jaredmackey4511

7 ай бұрын

@@jordanleonard6540It’s all just different expressions of jujutsu within different sports.

@chcknpie04

7 ай бұрын

@@vids595”jiujitsu” (as in BJJ) and “Jujutsu” (as in the Japanese predecessor to Judo) Are VERY different animals, and I am simplifying a little bit as there were at times hundreds of different schools of ‘Jujutsu’ prior to the Meiji restoration and up to the creation of Judo. I can speak with some authority as I currently train in BJJ, and have trained Judo and Sosuishi-Ryu Jujutsu, with a particular interest in the history of all three

@christophervelez1561

7 ай бұрын

@@jordanleonard6540 depends on the school a lot of the competition bjj schools in the US for instance starts rolls from the feet.

@Chadi Would it be wrong to say that Judo and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu are different expressions of Japanese JuJutsu?

Olá Chadi ,acabei de assistir o vídeo e tenho uma coisa para te passar , tenho uma revista de 1986 ,de Judô Brasileiro, nessa época eram os maiores nomes do judô ,Aurelio Miguel ,Ana Ichi ,Walter Carona e outros ,essa revista só trás técnicas de solo ,todas as técnicas que eu aprendi quando comecei no jiu-jitsu lá no Carson Gracie em 1995

@sergiosapori

7 ай бұрын

Jiu jitsu brasileiro? Judo adaptado para briga de rua. Tudo a mesma coisa. Veja o Flavio Canto.

@marciobm7810

7 ай бұрын

Bacana, Marcio. Acho que me lembro dessa revista. Tinha também o Luís Onmura e outros que integraram a seleção olímpica de 1984 e trouxeram algumas medalhas de lá (Los Angeles).

@ricardokerscher

7 ай бұрын

Até 1984 eram 21 técnicas de solo. Em 1985 foi para 29. Isso oficiais do Kodokan Judo. Inúmeros livros em japonês já traziam inúmeras técnicas de newaza incluindo ataques por cima, por baixo, raspagens, guardas etc MUITO antes dessa revista... Então uma revista brasileira não define nada, não é?

@marciotanuz9494

7 ай бұрын

@@marciobm7810 sim ,isso mesmo aliás , vc também é Márcio e qual o seu sobre nome pois conheço um Márcio que é judoca e deve ser 4 dan

@marciobm7810

7 ай бұрын

Marcio Lustosa, peguei a faixa preta em 1992 em Brasília aos 16 para 17 anos. No entanto não segui me graduando. Sou da mesma geração do Carlos Honorato. Fui Campeão Brasileiro Juvenil em 1991 em Curitiba no peso médio, Honorato foi no meio pesado. Lembro que as semi finais e finais foram gravadas. Ao entrar em contato com a Federação de Judô do Paraná, fui informado que tudo se perdeu em um incêndio. Uma pena não poder rever e mostrar para as netinhas.

O cerne dessa discussão é qual afinal? Não consegui compreender ao certo o que, do ponto de vista histórico, se quer demonstrar.

Mas qual a novidade ? Todos sabem que o Helio Gracie adaptou esse tipo de ju jutsu precário, e criou o jiu jitsu brasileiro, a inveja acaba com os americanos

The Gracie Jiu Jitsu system really focuses on ground work without time limits. Where being Gracies know how to penetrate, clinch, then take down, they're taking you inside their home which has several rooms.

And next, we will discuss how Bruce Lee was "the father of MMA". I'm being facetious of course but as this is "the internet", I must clarify that I'm being facetious. 😀

Guys, BRAZILIAN jiu jitsu was only marketed with this name in the US, in brazil, they only referred to it as Ju Jitsu (jiu jitsu is just a misspelling). It was all a marketing move. Edit: removed unecessary out of tone words.

@vids595

7 ай бұрын

And even though some Americans had heard of it before UFC 1, it was certainly UFC that deserves the credit for introdicing it

@jaredmackey4511

7 ай бұрын

When I trained in Japan it was referred to as BJJ. Most people today know that the sport is derived from Japanese martial arts.

@ricardokerscher

7 ай бұрын

​@@jaredmackey4511derived from JUDO.

@ricardokerscher

7 ай бұрын

and the brazilian people are wrong. bjj has NOTHING to do with jūjutsu.

@jaredmackey4511

7 ай бұрын

@@ricardokerscher Judo itself is derived from other forms of jujutsu. It was often referred to as Kano’s jujutsu/jiu jitsu in its early days. They’re both just different expressions of jujutsu.

Vocês precisam conhecer o Mestre Fada .o jiu jitsu Brasileiro tem duas ramificações! Hélio Grécia ,os Fadas.

holy crap I knew bjj grew out of judo but they basically got a copy of the game of jujitsu and textbook of jujitsu and said "I invented this"

All the basic of"bjj ground game"are in Feldenkrais book of 1951

"Helio Gracie created the guard" 17th century Jujutsu manuals: Hi have we met 🤣

soooo what you’re saying is helio crated the gaurd

The title of the video should be ‘Helio did not invent the guard.” Then you could post examples of people saying that. As it is, who is saying that Gracie invented the guard? It is well established that he was taught Ju jitsu / Judo. And the Gracie family applied their own philosophies and spread it across the world.

@silkplayer9

6 ай бұрын

What “philosophies” that they applied? ?

0:00 Yo Chadi you look different.

If vale tudo (or MMA) was fought on concrete or even dirt you would see the dominance of the throw rather than ground fighting for sure.

Chadi brought receipts! I'm starting to dislike the Gracies more and more...

Os Fadas eram especialistas em chaves de pé, chaves da cintura para baixo.

Chão do judô é bem diferente do chão do jiu-jitsu a gente pode observar isso nas lutas, faz uma experiência assistir lutas de judô e de jiu-jitsu vai ver claramente a diferença , embora no judô tem técnicas que também possuem no jiu-jitsu mas com nomes diferentes eu pratico as duas judô e jiu-jitsu no judô você tem 20 segundos para desenvolver seu chão caso isso não aconteça a luta retoma em pé no jiu-jitsu a luta continua mesmo passando os 20 segundos .no judô tem punição se você ficar muito tempo com a pegada na faixa ou se você fizer uma pegadas erras no judoguir já no jiu-jitsu não possui esse tipo de coisa resumindo não ficou boa em projeção a outra ficou boa no chão para mim ambas se completam caso você queira treinar as duas o show do judô não é bom mas o chão do jiu-jitsu é excelente as projeções do jiu-jitsu são boas mas em contrapartida eles não são bons no chão casar são irmãs e tomaram rumos diferentes resumindo o que eu tô dizendo aqui gosto muito das duas ambas me ensinaram bons valores incluindo judô que me ensinou ateme wasa que e a defesa pessoal que eu não vejo nenhuma academia de jiu-jitsu em ensinar foram poucas até hoje que eu observe.

All grappling are the same it only slightly changes depending on the culture

BJJ is Judo. yes. And Judo is Jiujitsu, ultimately. Mr Jigoro Kano created his style of martial arts from many styles of Jiujitsu. He decided to call his style of Jiujitsu.... Judo. So it's just semantics really. It's all Jiujitsu... Kano style Jiujitsu.

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President Theodore Roosevelt had a Japanese man teaching him Judo in the White house in the early 1900s !!!!

@zonansg4212

7 ай бұрын

*Kano jiu jitsu as it was known in those days

Keenan is trolling, at least in part, he's done it a lot in the past on youtube and reddit. He's also gone to this specific well in the past, he made a youtube video claiming that his "American" jiujitsu was always around only for him to be linking people to pdfs of random old judo and jiujitsu books written by Americans. Keenan's lineage is bjj, he has no link to any of the people he's citing but he markets his school as ajj or American jiujitsu. It's marketing and games to him. And maybe some genuine patriotism but it's hard to tell. And honestly I wouldn't be suprised if some of the silly or ignorant comments are people just jumping in to add fuel to the fire that is his post. Some bjj spaces online are full of trolling and it's known that Keenan messes with people, him making that post is like throwing chum in the water even if unintentionally. Especially given how Brazilians, Gracies and their people can sometimes react to this kind of stuff.

They're all jujitsu including judo, they're not all judo. There's an important distinction there.

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Hi Chadi!! Are you a histirian? Where do you get most of this pirce of information?

Hahahahahah😅 people are so brainwashed 😅 with bjj lies 😅 It was good marketing by the graices. I've trained bjj for 6 years . And some of the stuff that gets said is really sick .

Brazilian JJ is Newaza but in general, dropped that aspect and focused on takedowns in the mid-20th century give or take while Brazilians did the opposite while introducing wrestling takedowns probably through Rolls Gracie in the 70's. Modern Judokas in general had to re-learn newaza from BJJ

Nobody with a brain has ever said that,every i telligent grapplee who has studied history knows that bjj was originally just basic judo

@silkplayer9

6 ай бұрын

Kron said that and there is a video

@scarred10

6 ай бұрын

@@silkplayer9 I said anybody with a brai,not kron who also is on the record as believing eath is flat,no shit,its on joe Rogan.

The Gracies did not invent anything new, but they raised the bar of how to train and fight with what they learned.

lacking the study of history is the fruit of the ignorant

You're right. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is just judo. Period. It's not jiu jitsu at all. Every technique in BJJ is what I learned at my judo club in the 70's in the US. The only difference is major emphasis on matwork. In every judo tournament I competed in, if you took someone down and didn't make something happen right away, the referees would stop the match and restart.

I'm surprised that you didn't mention that Judo was taught at the US Naval Academy as a direct result of Teddy Roosevelt training under Yoshitsugu, and before that, under J.J. O'Brian. Your videos are so thoughtfully put together, Chadi, but don't you think you're spinning your wheels rebutting people who are on the Gracie train? Since the beginning they've tried to claim the art as their own, or at the very least they took what Maeda brought and "improved" it with their self-proclaimed stamp or alleged genius. Don't you feel you're wasting time presenting history, facts, and data to those already confirmation-biased to their position? Do you think they're going to change and say, "Oh...I drank the kool-aid, I didn't know the evidence, but now I understand"?

@Chadi

7 ай бұрын

I mentioned specifically 1905 Detroit press and the naval academy. To answer your question, I personally feel it’s no problem because there are many who actually are open minded and do want to learn, I came a long way, and many like me want to learn.

@chipsebastian8657

7 ай бұрын

@@Chadi I heard the part about the Naval Academy...my point was that Judo made national news in America because Roosevelt became a Judoka some time before he made it compulsory for the military. The fact that he was training under one of the "Guardians," someone with much more clout than Maeda, says something as well. "Open-minded and want to learn..." I agree, and I'm there with you. You said yourself in your video a few times you were having to go back over old ground. C'est la vie.

BUT he introduced Judo to the Gracie family, and THAT is the key point. The Gracie family made a Revolution of the old sport of JUDO

@nickelmanful

7 ай бұрын

No they didn't

@ronielaledo4521

7 ай бұрын

@@nickelmanful So Gracie Jujitsu does not exists thanks to the Gracie family???

@sergiosapori

7 ай бұрын

Gracie family kept the budo spirit. Today Judo is a sport. Gracie Jiu Jitsu is Judo for street self defense. Just it.@@nickelmanful

@rangelo8908

7 ай бұрын

No he did not. Maeda NEVER taught them. He did not have time. He was working for the Brazilian immigration in helping his countrymen. The Gracies are liars. They did not revolutionize anything. Kosen Judo was way more advanded than the lie Helio was spreading. Kosen had 50/50, De la Riva, Berimbolo, shin on shin etc. Helio did not do anything of that.

@fourtysecondWZRD

7 ай бұрын

@@nickelmanful so what is bjj today? Lol