Luther correcting Grace's "I'm the reason she's dead" with "No, she's the reason you're still alive" really sealed my theory that Ilsa's still alive somehow.

@genericreference6969

10 ай бұрын

Yup

@vincentseidle954

10 ай бұрын

She has to be. No way can they kill her off like that. At this point she is vital to the team

@evanbelisle8464

10 ай бұрын

@@vincentseidle954she’s way too cute to go.

@az9345

10 ай бұрын

She's listed in the credits at IMDB for Part 2.... hope it's not a flashback scene.

@martynabowanko902

10 ай бұрын

​@@az9345 in my book it could as well be a flashback. they did Ilsa dirty in this film

Ilsa's death really confused and frustrated me to the point where I actually felt less invested in the movie after that point. The addition of Grace feels like a blatant swap for Ilsa which really does injustice to Ilsa's character development over the last 8 years. I'm still hoping that they've tricked us and she's still alive but my gut tells me that she's really gone. Very perplexing end to the second best character of the franchise.

@ajwaddanwarr3409

10 ай бұрын

Yeah this movie was amazing uptill that point honestly

@GABISNAIL

10 ай бұрын

Completely agree I stopped caring after that and couldn’t bring myself to like grace at all (and before the film I had really wanted to)

@williammora88

10 ай бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt that way

@oompie815

10 ай бұрын

Ilsa was more important to Ethan than Grace. Even though Ethan cares for everyone, Ilsa was more emotional attached to him. If you kill Grace then the emotion isn't there. I hope she is dead, or else the rest won't matter. She died and Grace joined the IMF. And if she is alive, this movie will turn into a Fast and Furious sequel. I don't wish her dead, but for the story line, I hope she stays dead.

@dhruvPatel-qg2nm

10 ай бұрын

Now that scene has literally made me come to a shocker point now I am waiting for part 2 and they better show her faking her death

Imagine the theater blowing up with cheers when Ilsa is revealed in part two. She'll probably save Grace's life out of nowhere.

@FullFatVideos

10 ай бұрын

I would jump out of my seat if I spend a year thinking she’s dead

@Danny1420

10 ай бұрын

that would be EPIC

@TheDududu44

9 ай бұрын

My bet is that she will probably save Ethan.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

@@Danny1420 more epic if she kills Grace...lamest female in the saga, just makes me miss Julia lol And she should just probably kill ethan too: she was hot af, super skilled and reliable, saved his ass from certain death four times, cared for him more than everyone else ever and was never let into the IMF, while Grace was? WTF man. Characters are gone villain for far less.

Honestly, I think she might be alive, and this might just be a ruse to get her underground in order to evade the Entity and Gabriel. The way she died was too unceremonious. Why spent 2 movies developing Ilsa and her relationship with Ethan only to kill her off in such an underwhelming way? The team didn't even mourn her. Ethan didn't seem all that cut up. Fall Out made it clear that Ilsa and Julia are the two most important women in Ethan's life. If they'd indeed planned to kill Ilsa for real, McQ is more than capable of giving her a glorious exit and proper sendoff. Out of the main 4, only she is McQ's brainchild and Ilsa remains one of the fan favorites. It seems wildly out of character for McQ to fridge such an important character.

@hartthorn

10 ай бұрын

I've had similar thoughts since seeing it.

@j0j01192

10 ай бұрын

100% no way do they kill her this way.

@fashion_fckyou

10 ай бұрын

Man now I see the twist from a mile away but I love MI movies they are fun films she will be back at end of part 2 her death was so weird and Rush I agree with your take because Rebecca she is on IMDb list cast of part 2 so stupid 😂👍.

@Kirss2506

10 ай бұрын

I really hope you’re right 🙏

@aghilesl.4040

10 ай бұрын

I dont think that they would do yet another fake out death woth Ilsa it would get quite comical tbh

Ilsa’s death jerked me right out of that film. Not because they killed off a beloved character, but because she was killed in such a meh way. First of all, the series established what a skilled and resourceful agent she was, yet she lost a sword fight when she was the only one with a sword? There was no mention of her anymore outside of Luther’s little talk with Grace. And the worst part was that I felt they just got rid of Rebecca Ferguson simply because they didn’t want two female leads and so they replaced her with Hayley Atwell. What a terrible send off for one of the best characters in this series.

after Ilsa died i just couldn't pay much attention to the rest of the movie. I just wanted to get on phone and check if she's really dead. she was such a great addition to the team, able to carry her weight and had a great action sequences. hope she's really not dead.

@martinweale9595

10 ай бұрын

You and me both 😢

@aiyaaab1719

10 ай бұрын

Me too…😢

@heruchandra9036

10 ай бұрын

Same feeling

@vanle3828

10 ай бұрын

I actually got on the phone to check, but quickyl realised I was watching early release and no one had an opinion yet

@Pearlem

10 ай бұрын

@@alimanouchehri1950wanted to≠did. The asshole here is you

The fight on the bridge & Ilsa's fate really struck me by surprise. Not only did the choreography feel disconnected & not as thrilling as MI normally, but realistically Isla's range advantage (sword) should've been Gabriel's death sentence (knives).

@wolfshield2499

6 ай бұрын

Agree, so I'm not the only one that felt so many odd about this sequel, especially Ilsa bridge fight.

I don't think she's dead. After the airport scene, when Ethan realized he was dealing not only with the AI entity but also Gabriel and various agencies trying to kill him, he decided to disappear Ilsa permanently, and that's why they were both acting so weird in Venice. In MI3, when Lindsey died, Ethan held her corpse, but felt absolutely nothing about Ilsa's death? Yeah, I'm not buying it. And this wouldn't be the first time he disappeared a woman he loves. Also, Gabriel has already murdered someone Ethan cared for, and that explains why Ethan came so close to killing him on the train.

@09fungh

10 ай бұрын

I agree. I think you’re on to something. The lack of grief and paying respects to Ilsa feels out of place compared to other team deaths in the series. My guess would also be that Ethan and the team is acting as if Ilsa is dead for the sake of making Gabriel and the Entity thinking that it is really the case, only for her to return in the finale sequence of MI8. Just hoping this is really what they are planning. Would hate for the most interesting character in the series to be killed off so loosely

@ArmanZaidi

10 ай бұрын

@@09funghagreed

@TRKPurgatos

10 ай бұрын

Ethan also came very close to killing him on the train TO distract him at the moment so he can steal the key.

@jerome007ify

10 ай бұрын

Nonsensical how Ethan raced to the desert to save Ilsa but didn’t seem too upset and made no reference to her death. Is it correct that Pt1 & 2 were filmed back to back? If so I’m strongly hoping my favourite character is still alive. Ethan and Ilsa will ride off into the sunset together.

@user-ce4ml8rd7b

10 ай бұрын

@@jerome007ify No, 1&2 were not filmed b2b. A week ago in an interview McQ said that about 40% of part 2 was filmed, and that after the promo tour they're gonna continue.

Ilsa is still alive. Remember, Luther was out of the picture at the last act of the film? She is with Luther. They are going to have a separate task in part 2. I think.

@ComedyBros5

10 ай бұрын

That’s what I really banking on! Either way, I’m ticked with how lazily this was handled

@makofett7404

10 ай бұрын

I think its a diversion for us and the Entity. It was faked. It changes the stakes. Remember the chess in 4D comments.

@melwinthomas4382

9 ай бұрын

i really hope so too!!!

@NotQuiteFirst

9 ай бұрын

If she is "with Luther", why did Luther give Ethan a private, heart-to-heart talk about not letting revenge get in the way of the mission? Even though Ethan was literally holding her dead body on the bridge, somehow Luther has resurrected her and is keeping it a secret? The amount of cope here is off the charts.

@ComedyBros5

9 ай бұрын

@@NotQuiteFirst he couldn’t technically just been talking about his lady from way back when that Gabriel killed

I was honestly surprised that Benji wasn't the one who was killed. In the airport scene, where Benji was solving the riddles, he was asked about his fear of death which felt like a clear foreshadowing of his death to me. Then towards the second half of the movie, when their comms stop working and Benji goes out on the boat looking for Ethan, it seemed like the perfect setup for his death. It makes sense: you take away the guy in the chair's ability to communicate and bring him out in the field to fight the bad guy hand to hand which is his clear weakness and take him out of the equation. But instead, they chose to kill Ilsa in the lamest way possible by some random character tied to Ethan's past that we just now learn about after 7 movies. This may sound harsh but killing Benji felt like the logical step in the franchise. He was easily the most light-hearted character in the franchise and his death would have made the movie a lot darker in tone and raised the stakes. Furthermore, The IMF team already has Luther who functions as the brains and can be the guy in the chair for Ethan so it wouldn't feel like we have a big chunk of the puzzle missing when it comes to the overall team.

@eddysandland58

10 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I thought too! It was Set Up/Foreshadowed that Benji would Die when He goes off on the Boat to find Hunt! Ilsa also Defo deserved A Better Death or At least go out fighting!? Like She did in Fallout against A Badaas (can't remember his name) n She Beats Him & Saved Benji! Whilst being tied up!

@nont18411

10 ай бұрын

@@eddysandland58is name is Solomon Lane. Fallout was peak MI. It has TWO great villains in the same movie. Meanwhile, Gabriel and Entity are shit villains.

@ericpeeters3400

10 ай бұрын

@nont18411 : I hope Solomon Lane comes back in part 2,as a possible new ally of The Etity now that Paris is very likely to side with the IMF or as a villain on his own who wants to control The Etity for his evil purposes.Ethan and his allies taking on only Gabriel physically all the way through the movie,would be a bit pathetic honestly.Or John Lark would also be great option.Even though that seems impossible but then again it is a Mission imbosible movie for a reason and if he survived Falout anyway,where would Ilsa with less severe injuries not be able to do it then🤔

@mk6rfc1

10 ай бұрын

before watching it i was saying luther or benji should have died instead of ilsa but after watching it i do realise they probably couldnt have done that cos they do have this theme the gabriel brings up where the women in ethan's life end up getting killed or life destroyed

@manavbhalla2861

10 ай бұрын

I had the exact same thoughts

The treatment of Ilsa's character, in this film, is insulting, and totally undoes the strength of her character. The comments made about her, by Ethan's boss, were not even challenged by Hunt. Pisses me off. She deserved so much better.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

It just feels they stopped to consider her as a character at all. She was just an old thing waiting to be written off. She doesnt even seem herself: she took out the bone doctor, knives specialist, in a knife vs knife fight, but was unable to survive a minute against a middle age ex-flamenco dancer while carrying a sword against a pocket knife. Not only that: she sacrifices for Grace without even a shadow of reason to do so (her only role in the movie is to slow down Ethan with idiotic moves: if i had Grace and Hitler and two shots i would shot her twice, just to tell how much she's annoying, i wouldnt risk my life to save hers even if they offered me a billion to do so) and has no role in the movie: every scene she's in she just sits there silent and bored (and even seems just pissed off at some point) waiting to be killed. I really hope Rebecca Ferguson killed Tom Cruise's dog or something, otherwise it's just dementia starting to bite.

I’m 95% sure after watching it again today, they didn’t kill her off. It was only meant to look that way so that Hayley Atwells character would do the pickpocket job on the train and have an agent that the entity no longer knows about so it won’t be able to predict when she shows up again in the next movie. He says to her in the beginning of the movie, “you’re dead. Stay that way”. It’s meant to throw us off at the time that he’s talking about the governments tracking her down but he’s talking about the entity cause it could even find her in that remote desert but not if it thinks she’s dead. Next, the scene before the party, Luther talks about playing 4D chess with the entity. And Ethan doesn’t want to bring everyone along cause he knows the entity will use his friends against him. They also talk in the same scene specifically about the entity intercepting digital equipment and changing voices right before that scene as well. Which is how the bounty hunters found Ilsa. At the party, when Gabriel says Grace or her have to die before tomorrow for the key to wind up in his hands, the camera does a close up on Ilsa and she does a brief smile. When Luther is talking, Grace after Ilsa dies says “She died because of me.” And then Luther replies “No, you’re alive because of her”. LASTLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the shot immediately after she dies back at the safe house we see Benji walking away from ANALOG equipment that we never see them use! There’s an old headset there and bunch of dials on an old timey radio. So that is like pretty much a confirmation that Ethan wasn’t actually tricked by the Entity based on the conversation they have right before and that shot right after. If they have analog equipment, thered be no reason why Ethan wouldn’t be expecting him to be mislead on comms. All of this makes me almost positive that she’ll turn up in the next movie since MI is practically known for fakeouts and it’s a clever way to write her off till they need her so Rebecca Ferguson can focus on other projects.

@ArmanZaidi

10 ай бұрын

i love this

@gutzz1519

10 ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@tonydaily2593

10 ай бұрын

I agree. As someone who watched it twice, I'm pretty sure that Ilsa's death is a fakeout and a move Ethan Hunt makes to outsmart the Entity. One detail I noticed is that Ilsa and Paris are both stabbed by Gabriel with a knife in a position close to the heart, Paris seemingly being stabbed in a position even closer to the heart than Ilsa. However, Paris still has the strength to make it to a falling freight car and save Ethan and Grace and "has a pulse". So, Ilsa is very likely still alive so that she can assist Ethan underground without the Entity knowing. It's probably the big step Ethan takes to outsmart the Entity on a larger scale than in the end of Part One.

@doctorpd1959

10 ай бұрын

​@@tonydaily2593Did Ethan know about the Entity and its capability at the dessert scene to create a plan to fake her death with Gabriel?

@tonydaily2593

10 ай бұрын

@@doctorpd1959 Well, you made a point. But after some thinking based on Ethan's character, I think that since he heard that the bounty hunters found her even she was in a remote desert, he believed that there was a watchful eye up there capable of seeing all and knowing all, making him believe that the only way Ilsa can be safe from that "eye" is to stay dead to it, so he said to her before she rode off the desert, "They think you're dead. Stay that way." She listened. There are multiple moments in the party scene hinting at the fact that she's ready to accept "death". Gabriel, as far as this movie concerns, serves as a perfect extension of the Entity. He killed Ilsa, so the Entity assumed that she was dead and would not stay in its way. I'm pretty sure that the two did more than sharing a loving hug and conversation on that balcony. Ethan probably told her about a plan to play the 4D chess with the Entity, and she listened. This is also the proof that Ethan was listening to his friend Luther, to think like an algorithm. Also, I noticed that Rebecca Ferguson's face was slightly twitching in the scene which featured her "death".

I was worried for most of the movie leading up to her fight with Gabriel and I literally grabbed my skull and yelled 'No!' when she died. I also sat through the entire credits hoping for a stinger where it shows her not being dead, I was disappointed. If Grace is slotted in as a romantic partner for Ethan in part 2, I will not be happy.

@ericpeeters3400

10 ай бұрын

If Ethan and Grace become a couple at the end of the sequel,stop for me future M.I.movies after DR 2 because that would be the wackiest thing the 2 movies have produced and really so disrespectful to Ilsa and her sacrifice.

@nont18411

10 ай бұрын

Grace should stay platonic or just be a sidekick.

@UnknownUser_10

10 ай бұрын

True. I still don‘t buy Ilsa‘s death, but if she really is dead, Grace should never be in a romantic relationship with Ethan. That would not make any sense after losing Ilsa in his life to replace her with a random thief he met some days ago. But it’s so obvious, I think the writers are aware of it. It probably will be like a relationship to a little sister.

@beckcorona

10 ай бұрын

I see Grace as the Protege to Ethan (what Lindsay back in MI3 was supposed to be) a reliable team member who can help run IMF so Hunt can finally have a happy life with Ilsa (who’s not dead)

@Teaspooncat

10 ай бұрын

​@@beckcoronaWasn't it implied that he slept with Lindsay though?? Definitely don't want that for him and Grace..

SPOILERS: Just saw it for a second time. There is a lot of groundwork laid to set up that Ilsa is not dead. Specifically the quick focus on the knife that Ilsa grabs just before it is used to stab her. Also, Ethan says he cannot accept any of the team being sacrificed. That's when Luther says Ethan needs to think like a cold calculating computer. He knows based on the airport scene that the Entity knows his friends are most important to him. Then Ilsa points out how Gabriel will kill the people close to Ethan. And he says, it's not the killing he likes, but the suffering he creates. So, knowing this, I think the team has accounted for this. I don't know how, or why yet, but I don't see her being dead. Also, it's unclear as of yet, but I have zero doubts Benji sabotaged the mask machine. Cannot wait to see how it turns out and Kitrich gets screwed! Edit: One final point...why would Ethan's last words to Ilsa be: "Run, far as you can."??

@samueltorres9417

10 ай бұрын

when did bengi sabotage the mask machines?

@wiggywan1832

10 ай бұрын

@samueltorres9417 Ethan is talking to Luthir about not killing Gabriel. Then Benji makes some commotion, and Ethan and Luther find Benji standing over a smoking mask machine stating it's fried. The mask for Ethan cannot be made. Ethan inquires about what happened, and Benji just reiterates it's fried, and there's no way to fix it. If it were any other franchise I'd accept it at face value. But in the past, the series always has setup and payoff regarding hardware failing in the field. This seemed to come from nowhere. Could be nothing, but I think it's relevant

@LuisSierra42

10 ай бұрын

In the next part, Ethan will remove his mask and it turns out it was Ilsa all along

@ScooseMcGoose

10 ай бұрын

​@wiggywan1832 Sorry that I'm not following you, but what does the mask machine being sabotaged say about Ilsa faking her death? And is Ethan being kept in the dark about it by his team, when they know that it might have a negative impact on the mission?

@wiggywan1832

10 ай бұрын

@@ScooseMcGoose I think the team is in on Ilsa faking her death. But Grace is not. We don't yet know why they'd have "sabotaged" the original plan amd send Grace alone. I could be conjecturing out my ass. But I just thought it was weird. That whole section of the movie has a lot of weird dialog and events happening upon rewatch.

I'm not ready to lay into the movie too much about Ilsa Faust's fate until after I've seen part 2. There's still too much that we don't know...

I couldn’t agree more. Ilsa was by far my favorite character and it did feel kind of gross the way the movie decided to “swap her out” for someone else.

@austincarlson9270

10 ай бұрын

Hopefully it was a second fakeout and she's alive in part 2.

@xOogieBoogie3x

10 ай бұрын

She's signed on for a Dune franchise. That basically had to sail her off.

@austincarlson9270

10 ай бұрын

@xOogieBoogie3x no not really. She has plenty of time to film those. Dune also isn't really much of a franchise. At most, they make one more movie after dune part 2.

@fashion_fckyou

10 ай бұрын

​@@austincarlson9270no the movie dune will have 3 part now I think she living because of it and the silo show S2 or just some twist with masks and she will back in dead reckoning part 2 I hope so 🤞

@YoBoostMobile

10 ай бұрын

Same!! She was amazing in Rogue Nation and easily my favorite part and new character. I wish she had more of a role in Fallout but the way they handled her in here was so sad.

On the positive, I did like the moment they had on the balcony. That said, I needed more Ilsa. I didnt like that she died but how she died was worse.

@tylerolsonfilms

10 ай бұрын

It was so brief and ended abruptly. She’s like “this is my first time here” “Me too” And SCENE I was like…that’s it???

@lukewilliam3601

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was a great scene.

@___beyondhorizon4664

10 ай бұрын

Did anyone notice that Ilsa in the Venice balcony looked just like Katie Holmes???

Your conflict about Dead Reckoning perfectly articulates my response to the movie. The way that Ilsa was written out annoyed me in a way that no other Mission Impossible movie has, and it detracted from the overall experience. (I still recognize it was a very well-crafted movie, don't get me wrong.) It wouldn't have been as disappointing if the movie had at least let her go out like a badass. But her death felt meaningless. She (apparently) couldn't even fight off one guy (a guy who finds it necessary to travel with his own hitwoman). And then when she was gone, the amount of respect the movie paid her was on par with the acknowledgment given over the death of a minor character (like Alec Baldwin in MI6), not the death of someone who has become a central character. It was also pretty blatant that she was being replaced merely because they wanted to introduce a new female lead. Even though Ilsa felt fully fleshed-out in the previous movies, here, it's like McQuarrie only saw her as a romantic partner to Ethan. And since Grace was being introduced, I guess Ilsa was completely disposable. It's strange too, because McQuarrie did such a good job writing for Ilsa (and even Julia) in past movies. Also weird was how the bad guy gave Ethan a choice between the two ladies, and Ethan acted like Grace was the most important person ever. It was like we as the audience were supposed to care as much about Grace, even though we barely knew her. I know some would scoff that it's silly to care about writing or characters in an action movie, but the writing and characters are a big reason why I like Mission Impossible. If I just wanted mindless action, I'd watch a Steven Seagal movie.

@murphyc97

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was really strange that the film treated Grace and Ilsa as equally important to Ethan

@nont18411

10 ай бұрын

Remember that flashback scene about how women in Ethan’s life always got in danger or killed? The flashback should have been Ilsa, Julia (his ex wife who got in danger so many times thanks to him) and Lindsay (his protégé who got killed in the beginning of MI3). Instead we got a woman we have never seen before or care about, Ilsa and Grace (whom Ethan just met like yesterday). Like, why Grace? She has no significance in Ethan’s life. And at that time she still didn’t do anything that benefits him (for example, even when she was just a sexy mysterious femme fatale, Ilsa still performed CPR to save Ethan from drowning and after that Ilsa helped him a lot as a girlfriend. Julia also brought him back from death in MI3 even though she just murdered him beforehand by his command). Also why is it only matter when women who got involved with Ethan died? What about men? There are so many male associates who died in a same mission as Ethan yet Ethan doesn’t seem to think about it.

@Zoogi.e

10 ай бұрын

@@nont18411I agree that your idea of the sequence where he’s thinking before he makes the jump is much better than the one in the movie. I mean I would’ve just had him think about Ilsa and Julia if I’m being honest (and maybe Marie?), since the 3rd girl you mentioned was his protege, not his lover. I think it’s understandable that he would think about Ilsa and Julia before all the men in his life (even tho he cares for them too). With all that being said, I think he thinks about Grace because he doesn’t want to fail her like he failed Ilsa and Marie.

@14ElmStreet28

10 ай бұрын

I agree with most of this except the idea that Ethan caring for Grace equally is a bad thing, it makes his character more likeable to know that he values every innocent person equally

@GABISNAIL

10 ай бұрын

Completely agree, 100%

I fully believe that Ilsa is still alive and I think there are several clues that point to this. Her first scene was her and Ethan faking her death. Later in the group meeting they talked about needing to think like an AI in order to outsmart it but they don't tell us the plan. Then after it was revealed that one of the girls needs to die, Ilsa and Ethan exchange a look and she smiles. Also Ilsa "dies" on a bridge which could be a reference to Jon Voight faking his death on bridge in the first film. Now that the entity thinks Ilsa dead she can more effectively help Ethan work against it.

@crunchyb0nes

9 ай бұрын

Oh!!! I like your bridge theory! Makes a lot of sense. Good one!!

I thought it was really weird to do a fake out death for Ilsa prior to doing an actual death

@FullFatVideos

10 ай бұрын

I thought that was so that you’d feel safe in the knowledge she wouldn’t die after that. But it was odd

@DarthHomercles

10 ай бұрын

When rumors got out about Spock dying in STAR TREK II, they did the same thing so audiences wouldn't be expecting it when it really happened later in the movie.

@ompatel5570

10 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos It was meant to add suspense

@tonytlwu

10 ай бұрын

I think it’s even weirder to do a fake out death and then another fake out death. If she appears again in Part 2, knowing that there were 2 fake deaths back to back just feels cheap. As much as I love Ilsa, I think she’s gone for real. Would’ve been good if Ethan showed a little emotion - unless he had already moved on to Grace by then lol

@tomsonjohnny9945

10 ай бұрын

​@@tonytlwubringing her back would be a cheap move but not cheaper than what they really did, killing off an equally capable and important female character after such a build up in the last few movies like she was some NPC, not giving her a closure, or to say goodbye to ethan, no emotions were shown by any of her friends or ethan especially after luther literally said to ilsa in fallout that she's one of the two woman in ethans life that he is serious about just to bring grace in next movie to replace ilsa and start a love interest with ethan and making ethan showing so much care towards her literally ruins the build up of fallout and what luther said, so let's not deny that this movie already has plenty of cheap shots so can't complain if they bring ilsa back, it wouldn't be so bad then what they have already done, trust me

I do agree that Ilsa's death felt somewhat forced. This idea that it was caused just so that Ethan would be pushed to kill Gabriel and cut the info trail to the sub also felt unwarranted. However, I understand that her and Ethan are forces to be reckoned with to a point where the IMF maybe needed to be nerfed. All in all, she was one of if not my favourite character of the franchise and it is a shame that she was let go in such a way.

@djdoc06

10 ай бұрын

It’s a part 1. And a Mission Impossible movie. Why would you think she’s dead? They fake deaths and fake identities all the time.

@WastedPo

10 ай бұрын

@@djdoc06 - True. But in every past movie when they've tricked the audience, the payoff/reveal happened within the same movie, usually in the same scene. If they suddenly said that she was alive in the next movie it wouldn't really fit into the type of storytelling they've done before.

@lhazarus7188

10 ай бұрын

@@djdoc06 To be honest, and as much as I love the character, resurrecting her for the next one would be an incredibly cheap move and make this choice in part 1 even worse in retrospect.

@elck3

10 ай бұрын

Holy crap, just put a Spoilers!!

@austincarlson9270

10 ай бұрын

​@elck3 this is a spoiler video bruh

I wonder if anyone else would be fine if her death was just faked again... just me?

@GortonIma

10 ай бұрын

Part of me almost thinks the fake death at the beginning is a hint that she doesn't actually die later.

@ericpeeters3400

10 ай бұрын

No,you are certainly not alone in this,I also suspect that her death was staged with the knowledge of the Ethan and his team.As if they went to that meeting that night so unprepared,knowing how dangerous The Etity and Gabriel were.This way Ilsa is protected from them and she is a secret extra ally in their fight against those 2 great enemies of theirs.

@emilyatkinson6170

10 ай бұрын

Yea idk Ilsa is too iconic to die like that. Girl was an amazing fighter and I don’t buy that it was that easy to killer off. And yea it does kinda feel like a fake out death

@Solanalin

10 ай бұрын

Honestly it would be the only thing that would save this movie

@joshualoyola8679

10 ай бұрын

I feel like the only person who completely expected her to die (didn’t want her to die but it just made sense to me when it happened)

Killing Ilsa is the worst misstep of the series to date. I am so frustrated with that decision. And it's not just because she is one of my favorite characters in the series, but because it didn't have to happen.

@FullFatVideos

9 ай бұрын

I couldn’t agree more. It really kills the movie for me everytime I think about it

@johnw.3636

9 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos As you stated, I hope it was more that the actress chose to leave the franchise than it was a creative decision. That would be an easier pill to swallow.

@WingItMan217

8 ай бұрын

@@johnw.3636as far as we know it wasn’t. Over the years she never indicated that she wanted to leave. I mean, she agreed to come back for a two parter. In fact, I remember someone made a timeline of her schedule back from way back in 2020 when they began shooting 7. Turns out she was in the clear. All of the projects she’s in this year didn’t happen until later on. Scheduling conflict and/or the actress not wanting to be in them anymore aren’t an excuse for whatever happened in dead reckoning

@johnw.3636

8 ай бұрын

@WingItMan217 Gotcha. Then it was a very stupid creative decision.

@WingItMan217

8 ай бұрын

@@johnw.3636 the thing that’s been getting me is what the director’s been saying about her character behind the scenes. Some serious backwards logic, contradictions and a clear lack of understanding for certain points made about what happened. It’s like he forgot his own character

I can't agree more. Ilsa's death is a HUGE disappointment. Honestly, I kinda checked out once I realized she was actually gone. By far my favorite character in the Mission Impossible series - total badass, effective as hell, and it was SO refreshing that a romantic angle wasn't forced on her and Ethan. I could totally do without the new lady Grace - I didn't really care for the character and can't see her carrying the weight that Ilsa did. Salute to Rebecca Ferguson. Word.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Man i watched RN when I was 14 so I didnt really remember much about Ilsa when I watched the movie. Despite that i hated Grace as very few movie characters in my life: she's so dumb and average looking, so stupid, unskilled and useless, so out of place in the spy world, so ridicolous and yet unfunny, so cliché (perfect incarnation of a damsell in distress, only difference is she's not even hot), so irritating and still so forced in every scene she became unbearable to me even before the venice scene. Ilsa immediately started to look like some character out of Homer or Shakespeare in comparision, even if in this movie she is not even the shadow of her fromer self but a totally different character than the one she was. But Ilsa dying in such an easy and unrealistic way (i could remember she was in other movies of the saga so she wasnt exactly the last of side guys) and being replaced in two minutes as she was never even there (this was even highlighted by the director: in two minutes we switch from Venice dark and tragic tone to the Grace-on-train plain and unfunny action comedy tone) was sickening and disgusting on a human level even before than on a narrative one. Only after that i rewatched Rogue Nation and understood what a great character Ilsa was (not just skilled, her character depth is out of scale compared to every character in the saga, except maybe Lane, and makes her the best supporting female character ever in spy-action), so this movie is now just the worst in the saga to me. And I wouldnt say there wasnt a romantic angle: just it was an original one; it was not Ilsa being a love interest to Ethan but Ethan being a love interest for Ilsa: Ilsa love for Ethan is seriously by far the most subtle, original, heartbreaking and tragic take on love i've ever seen in a spy-action movie, even better and deeper than most romantic movies are able to do. That aside, this movie sucked on every level (Gabriel was another character i couldnt stand: he looks like a stupid mix of some middle age flamenco dancer and an argentinian soap opera pimp; the terminator glasses and his Nostradamus attitudr while being constantly fooled like a moron just made him the flattest villain ever: even after he killed ilsa i really couldnt give a shit about him) and for sure i'm not going to spend money on the second part of this crap.

I think this ignores that Ilsa *chose* to save Grace. Ethan told her to run, then the AI challenges Ilsa and said Ethan won't make it to the bridge to save Grace, but Ilsa can, and she chose to save someone else over herself. That's why she came back after Ethan told her to stay dead, she is the other side of the same coin to Ethan. She will also value saving one person as much as saving millions and more than saving herself, that's why the AI knew she would come. I'm definitely sad that Rebecca Ferguson is potentially out of the series, she is so talented and Ilsa is a great character, but she did make a choice.

@duckman9327

10 ай бұрын

Fr

@Teaspooncat

10 ай бұрын

We still don't have to like it. There was no need to kill off Ilsa and then replace her with a lesser character... it's a disgrace

@___beyondhorizon4664

10 ай бұрын

​@@Teaspooncat after the first part of the movie, when Ilsa suddenly got killed, I watched the second half of the movie, just flashed back to the previous MI with Max on Eurostar and they also had fight scenes on fast moving trains. I was surprised they repeated the concept because MI always brings new ideas for plots.

@Teaspooncat

10 ай бұрын

@@___beyondhorizon4664 Those things that seemed to have been done before in the franchise were recreated intentionally; like a callback

@witchofbuswick

9 ай бұрын

it's not necessarily that her character died that people don't like but it's about the technical execution of her death. Everything that lead to her death is a series of tropes (damsel in distress, choice between two women, fridging,) and then after her death is the blatant trading of two characters. It felt weird and borderline insulting for the fans to see the character death written as such.

Pretty sure she's still alive, because a couple of months ago Rebecca Ferguson posted on her social media she was on set filming part 2. I think they faked her death to make the AI believe that it got what it wanted (an outcome in the choice between Ilsa and Grace). Now Ilsa can go completely offline / underground, because it's the only way to beat the AI.

Ilsa deserved SO MUCH BETTER.

@FullFatVideos

10 ай бұрын

Hard Agree

I am so so happy I am not alone. Ilsa's death completely took me out of the rest of the movie to some degree or another. The lead up with the alley fight, him running, hearing her scream and the music was AWESOME... Then he sees her, has little to no reaction and then we move on. Even the team afterward is basically like "Nah don't worry Grace! We loved her in our own way. Oh and hey, do you wanna replace her?" Not to mention McQ's comments on the Spoilers Podcast where he straight up says they wanted no romance between the her and Ethan. NONE. Which BLOWS my mind.... I mean Rogue Nation, Fallout, and the beginnings of this movie tell us Ilsa and Ethan love each other. They hold hands, hold each other, etc etc. Even Julia basically passing the torch to Ilsa, telling Ethan she is ok and happy and essentially giving him "permission" to move on to Ilsa AND the cut kissing scene between the two. But no, Isla falls into a BS "can't stay away from the spy life!" pattern even though SHE wanted Ethan to come with her after Rogue Nation and always found her way back to him and vis versa. Ethan and Isla had romance. They were in love, three movies show us this clear as day. And this franchise used every opportunity to pull them apart just to bring them back together using the same bs formula. AND in the end, Ethan was barely shaken up by it and got real tender towards Grace during the train sequences. Now sure, could we say he saw Ilsa in Grace and/or refused to lose another person and his grief was pushing him towards her? Sure! But the movie never TELLS us this. We have to guess (more like assume?) and fill in gaps because the movie doesn't do it for us. Ethan belonged on the war path. He loved Isla and she was taken from him. THAT is the second half of the movie we needed to see. And in nearly every discussion I've seen on subs, Reddit and comments, many many people are saying the same. Her death and reaction, or lack thereof, took people out of this movie. It was cheap, easy to call and did not belong in this movie. As for the theories she's alive, I will wait and see and refuse to go all "Marvel" on it. But the ground work is laid from cast and crew making cryptic comments, trying to make it seem like the things we have clearly seen and known, didn't or wouldn't happen and the movie nodding to it. This is a series of fake outs so it would totally make sense Ethan and the team planned it. I do hope she's alive and hope Ethan was in on it so it can somehow justify this train wreck of a writing decision. That said, if she comes back as bad guy Ethan has to take down in the finale to the series in part two.... I will officially say Fallout is the final movie and nothing happens after besides happy ending for the two. It essentially boils down to McQ either trying to trick us or hope his audience is stupid enough to forget the last two movies ever happened. I could truly go on and on, but I digress. Just glad this appears to be the consensus of fans.

@___beyondhorizon4664

10 ай бұрын

Update We as fans can only hope for the latest developments in Hollywood, The strikes The boxoffice number is showing that the latest episode didn't live up to FALLOUT. It turns out to be the second worst boxoffice number in all of the MI history. The director can't just swap Ilsa out out of nowhere, after fans started to fall in love with Ilsa from the last 3 MI. With these factors, Tom and director will reconsider the plots. After all, they & the studio want to sell tickets. Replacing a no skill Grace doesn't goes well with the fans. Did you notice that the introduction of Ilsa was so unforgettable, the golden dress jumping down from the Vienna Opera house opening? Compared to the introduction of Grace with her waiter outfit to the Venice party? Did the costume designers subconsciously disapproved replacing Ilsa? I pay too much attention to detail 😊

@melwinthomas4382

9 ай бұрын

@@___beyondhorizon4664 You are correct. That introduction of her's was just chefs kiss!!

@sanai97

9 ай бұрын

Ilsa was a lesbian. Thats why Cruise killed her.

Rebecca Ferguson is the definition of class. Hayley Atwell as Grace is great and perfectly cast, but Rebecca Ferguson's Ilsa not only out-classes her, but she has much more depth and you believe that she has her heart in it.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Atwell is the most average and dumb looking top tier actress i've seen recently (perfect casting tho: she is a truly spot on embodiement of Grace dumbness). Pom Klementieff and Vanessa Kirby are both way better looking and more charming. Rebecca Ferguson is not just on a different floor and not even in a different building, but totally in another city and maybe even in a different country.

Justice for ilsa

I refuse to believe she is actually dead. No way they just swapped her for someone else. Btw if you are a Rebecca Ferguson fan, there is a very underrated, completely awesome movie called ‘Reminicence’ w/ Hugh Jackman.

@Huntress59

10 ай бұрын

Great review. I too loved the movie, I liked Hayley Atwell, but hated Ilsas death and agree that she at least deserved a better fight and reaction from Ethan . Hopefully she is not dead.

@melissajackson7836

10 ай бұрын

I loved Reminiscence..great movie..she was awesome in Doctor Sleep as well

I honestly think she is not dead and it will be a plot twist in the 2nd part since we really didn't get a proper ''death scene'' for this amazing character, we even didn't see Ethan react all that much to her death which is why I think she isn't dead BCS it's somehow a part of the plan... IDK Im probably going nuts but I refuse to believe she died like that!

@trekuhl3966

10 ай бұрын

Agreed, me too!

@genericreference6969

10 ай бұрын

This plot twist goes all the way back to the opening scenes of the first movie. Remember Jim Phelps?

@ComedyBros5

10 ай бұрын

I don’t know which I’d be more ticked about: this just being a fakeout only for her to return in Part 2, or her to really have died that way.

@TheRockandroy

10 ай бұрын

@@ComedyBros5 By how things were shown (a very unambiguos "open eyed - knife to the chest - lying inert on the floor" scene that lingered for the audience, stating a fact by all accounts), I'd be more ticked by the ruse

@ishansharma7420

10 ай бұрын

​@@trekuhl3966she's dead and the movie socks hard . PERIOD.

Not gonna lie, Ilsa's death really soured me on the movie. I loved it until that point, but afterwards I just kinda felt sad about the whole thing. I wouldn't mind her dying if 1) her death was well done and 2) if it was meaningful, but it felt like it was neither. She doesn't really DO much in this movie - she supposedly got one half of the key... off screen, and then she reunites with Ethan, goes to the party and dies to save a new girl that they both knew for one day. And the fight scene didn't sell her death either, you're telling me this elite assassin just lost a swordfight to a dude with a knife? In Rogue Nation she's pretty much Ethan's equal, and gets the upper hand over him several times, two movies later she's useless and he's just telling her to run or pretend to be dead to be safe. She doesn't listen, tries to do something and dies for nothing. And then everyone just kinda moves on. It doesn't feel like it affects anyone all that much, and Luther has to basically TELL the audience that Ethan might snap and kill Gabriel - other than that, her death is not even given the time or the gravity it deserved.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

This movie just sucks. Easily the worst in the saga if it wasnt for the second.

I totally agree, Ilsa is my girl. My favorite addition to the team.

@tylerolsonfilms

10 ай бұрын

Nah bro ilsas my girl all day

I’m glad to see I’m not the only one trying to cope by hoping she’s not really dead lol

@melwinthomas4382

9 ай бұрын

you and me both!!

@NotQuiteFirst

9 ай бұрын

The amount of cope in this comment section is astonishing. She's obviously dead dead. She got stabbed through the heart by the main villain, and the entire sequence was given a massive buildup with dramatic music and Ethan being trapped running through the alleyways and not being able to reach her in time, and then holding her dead body in his arms. Then a private conversation with Luther in which Luther specifically tells him to keep to the mission and not let revenge get in the way. The weird "one of these women must die and you must choose" plot device was so central to the second act, and to undo it in Part 2 would be to shit all over Part 1 just for the sake of a cheap twist, akin to the classic trope of "it was all a dream!" Decent action film, but Ilsa's character over the past couple of films was the one thing that gave the films a more human dimension and raised them above being just epic-action-set-piece movies. Killing her off just to give Ethan some vengeance motivation was a terrible choice, they really shit the bed with that one.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

@@NotQuiteFirst this movie has the worst writing i've seen in the saga: they came up with the flattest most moron villain ever and ilsa's death was the only way they could make him look dangerous lol. And the Grace character is probably the worst female of a saga that didnt really shine under that aspect (Ilsa excluded), even Julia looks great compared to her. Useless to say the entity is the biggest sci fi crap i've ever seen.

Her death was handled so awkwardly it has made me straight up conspiratorial. Are Tom and McQ mad at her? Did she need to go shoot Dune and they decided to kill her before COVID? Alternatively, there’s the fake out option…in the movie, it *felt* like a fake out because they switched to Grace’s POV and you never get the main team guys confirming it through dialogue (or through extreme emotion…) but it also feels like Grace was absolutely a romantic lead replacement, just watching how she and Ethan interact. So the movie feels like it’s one foot in, one foot out as far as committing to it as a real development. Personally, I’m in denial and have decided that Ethan converted Paris way earlier than we thought, and she somehow took Ilsa’s place. My evidence? They…uh, both know how to sword fight?

@agesilaustr

10 ай бұрын

Hmm Im not buying that Paris theory, not least bc by the end she's a gonner too. But I entirely agree with you on the rest. It feels like something is off. We'll eventually learn more abt it -- hopefully when Ilsa comes back in Pt 2!

@thewishfulthinker

10 ай бұрын

@@agesilaustr She’s not dead at the end, though! The CIA guy finds a pulse. It still doesn’t really make sense because Paris has an arc of her own, though.

@xOogieBoogie3x

10 ай бұрын

She's signed on for a handful of B2B Dune movies. I think it's an availability thing.

@thewishfulthinker

10 ай бұрын

@@xOogieBoogie3x Yeah, I kind of figure that's the case. Felt like a really odd tonal fumble for McQuarrie, though--he's normally really good at figuring out the way such developments land emotionally on an audience. It feels like the movie commits to her death about...2/3 of the way, which is enough to make it hurt, but not quite enough to make it feel right or appropriate.

@NoBigWhoop

10 ай бұрын

@@xOogieBoogie3xand her hit Apple TV series Silo…

I was so distracted by her death that during the train scene I was half hoping and expecting that Grace/Elena was actually the one that got drugged by Ilsa in an mask as Grace

I totally agree that Ilsa was one of the best supporting characters, worthy of a spin off, but what upset me the most is how casually she was discarded. They barely honored her except to refocus on Hayley.

My favorite MI goes back n forth between Rogue Nation and Fallout. 100% agree, the death of Ilsa is extremely disappointing, she’s an amazing character and great antagonist / protagonist to Ethan, plus the chemistry between Rebecca and Tom is off the charts. Ilsa is also an amazing and strong character that could’ve continued to develop. Plus, her demise at the hands of Gabriel was unbelievable, as she kicked as in Rogue Nation and Fallout. And Ethan cares deeply about Ilsa so his reaction was underwhelming. Oh and I’m equally disappointed about her demise. Additionally, there’s no tie back to Fallout, their blossoming romance and what happened between then and MI7. I can only hope she’s really not dead. Her demise really brought down the whole film, as much as I did enjoy it. I was really thinking Ethan and Ilsa would walk off together after MI8. It’ll be very lame if a walk off ends up being Grace.

@ericpeeters3400

10 ай бұрын

Hayley Atwel and her Grace did earn their place in the franschise but not as a replacement for Ilsa as a love interest for Ethan.For me, would be the biggest disappointment of the whole series and make me defenitively drop out for M.I. movies from issue 9 and more.I really hope Ilsa's death was fake and we see her again in part 2,even if for the last time possible because Rebecca and Ilsa deserve a better ending than this.

@nont18411

10 ай бұрын

Ilsa survived diving into a highly pressurized sea, a feisty motorbike chase scene in a desert, a time bomb, a car crash, a fight with a psychopath and a shootout against bounty hunters in another desert. There’s no way she gonna die by a quick stab from a shit villain like Gabriel. And if she’s really gone, it’s a huge damn shame.

@trekuhl3966

10 ай бұрын

@@nont18411 100% spot on!

@beckcorona

10 ай бұрын

@@nont18411 Dang right! Nobody survives her Killer Thigh Moves either lol. She absolutely wrecked The Bone Doctor in Rogue Nation, who literally made his living, killing people with Knives. But Gabriel, who needs a Hitwoman with him, gets the upper hand? NAH. Also, someone pointed out earlier that the camera focuses in on the Knife Elsa had that "somehow" Gabriel takes from her, & that is the one he stabs her with. That Knife could be an IMF one that makes it look like he killed her, plus with the outfit she was wearing, it was the perfect one to hide something underneath that could help shield a blow... the best reveal in Part Two is that she is alive & Gabriel & The Entity were completely fooled.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

@@ericpeeters3400 grace is the worst female of the franchise. Even Julia is better looking, less annoying and less dumb than her come on. Jane Carter is way better.

I agree, Isla’s death was done cheaply. Also, the movie was making it out to be Ethan’s choice between her and Grace, but he wasn’t actually involved in it. Finally, the fight choreography leading to Ilsa’s death wasn’t very tight. Several times she’s in a position to kill Gabriel and just stands there until his next move of the choreography.

When Ilsa died it took me out of the movie because that's all I could think about.

Killing off Ilsa is a huge disappointment! Doing it in such a poor and unimaginative way is unforgivable!!!

Honestly i wouldn't be upset at all if they sprinkled some magic fairy dust and resurrected her. She is like one of my favorite characters.

I dislike Dead Reckoning because they killed Ilsa. She was my favourite character.

@FullFatVideos

10 ай бұрын

It’s a real sting if you loved Ilsa

@ajassimanwar

10 ай бұрын

​@@FullFatVideostrue

@garychartier8365

10 ай бұрын

Once I learned that this had happened, I decided not to see a movie I had been quite looking forward to.

I agree with your comments about the death of Ilse Faust. In addition I couldn't understand how someone of her physical capabiliies, as demonstrated in the two previous films, could lose, when armed with a sword, against someone who did not seem to be in the first rank of physical fighters and armed only with a knife. The whole fight looked to be the most contrived of any in the series. As she was one of my favourite characters in the franchise my enjoyment of the rest of the movie was somewhat muted.

I completely agree with the fact that Ilsa’s story is very disappointing. That was my only major issue with this movie and it really frustrated me after that scene happened.

I felt the same way! Too many plot lines were being introduced at the same time making the movie convoluted. The character of Ilsa is mishandled and underdeveloped (not furthering developing her relationship with Ethan) in favor for the development of her potential replacement in the character of Grace. By skipping important emotional beats between Ilsa and Ethan, the movie struggles to deliver a poignant and emotional engaging second and third act.

@TheRockandroy

10 ай бұрын

Replacement? Those characters fill very different roles. Or you are seeing them simply as "strong female" and think they can only have one at a time.

@ernievc3021

10 ай бұрын

@@TheRockandroy Don't start with that "strong female character" bullsh!t. I was referring to those characters as female characters only who have a flirty connection with Ethan. After all, I wouldn't say Grace is a strong female in physical or emotional strength. She is a smart thief and sometimes resourceful, but she is not strong, not like Ilsa. Ilsa physically skilled, she is a trained special agent, and she is resilient as she has been put up with the abuse of MI6 and other organizations for the grater good. Also, if you are misinterpreting my critique, you are being blind and ignoring the fact that so far there has only been ONE girl in the Mission Impossible team since the first movie (in which they kill a female agent so Ethan only has to interact with one). So, I don't "think they can only have one at a time," I KNOW they have always had one female lead at a time in these movies. I don't have a problem with multiple female character, but with the fact that they insist in only having one, and with the poor execution of Ilsa & Ethan's relationship in this movie, especially when they were planning on killing Ilsa.

@___beyondhorizon4664

10 ай бұрын

​@@ernievc3021well said. The franchise has enough budget to keep Ilsa. We can only hope Rebecca values that MI launched her career in Hollywood and she can adjust her commitments accordingly

After watching the scenes again and reading some comments and this video...Ilsa and Ethan always had a close relationship, but in this movie they definitely seemed strangely close, and they definitely gave each other interesting subtle acknowledgements in the final act. As if she knew what she was signing up for or putting on a show for the bad guys. Which makes me think she's still alive or at least knowingly sacrificed herself.

I’m absolutely gutted about Ilsa’s death. She was one of the best characters in the franchise and her death is so unserved, that I can’t help but feel there has to be some revelation waiting in Part 2.

I watched Dead Reckoning with friends and after that, we all marathon'd the entire movies together (with the exception of 2 lol) and went back to watch Dead Reckoning again. What went through our minds when Ilsa dies in the first viewing was really just glanced over leaving us to believe that she's not dead. After watching all the movies, we pretty much came to a consensus that Phelps "dying" on the bridge in M.I. is the same thing as Ilsa dying on the bridge (she's not dead). The best call back was the mask and henchman from M.I. reappearing in Ghost Protocol before Ethan meets up with Bogda.

@thegreypath1777

9 ай бұрын

M:I 2 is a good movie; I don’t understand all of the hate. I think there are a lot of people that don’t understand how viruses work.

Yeah, Ilsa's death is THE cardinal sin of Dead Reckoning. Badly prepared, badly justified, badly executed, and the aftermath was weakly handled.

I agree on all points. The action was phenomenal. The story was a bit convoluted. And Rebecca Ferguson deserved a better exit. I was so amped to see her again and she went out with a whimper. I like Hayley Atwell, but she's not worth losing Rebecca for. I'd prefer to keep them both and see them play off each other in DR2. Oh well.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Phenomenal is not the word i would use for the action in this movie. Train wreck is the only decent but we got way better in the last chapters. Others action scenes are honestly too absurd to be believed, too long and slow to really keep you on the edge of your seat (especially airport scene and car chase), pretty average on a cinematic level, and most of all they have a shitty action comedy tone that brings away all the epicness you could live in Fallout.

Second, the love interest flattening: this is not just intelligent, but completely genius. Everyone can tell Ilsa was never just a love interest to Ethan, but I would go further and say she was never a love interest to him at all, strange as it may seem for a woman that hot. Actually the centre of their relationship is not Ilsa being a love interest to Ethan, but Ethan being a love interest to Ilsa (total twist which gets tragically important when you fully understand Ilsa's depth as a character) - just look how much more scared for him she looks than him for her. And the reason is not Ethan being the fascinating alpha male, but lies deeps down in Ilsa's past (another thing i loved is how all of this remains between the lines: Ilsa has not an explicit origin story as Jane Carter - only thing i found cringe about her, whom i consider the second best female character of the franchise - to highlight her motivations and conflicts; all we know about her is she is an MI6 spy turned rogue agent, who chose the deadly mission of infiltrating the syndacate to be reintegrated, and this gives her a lot of mistery and ambiguity: why was she expelled? What lies in her past? We dont know...i've always found these characters to be the hardest to write but by far the most intriguing to watch, since the dark knight Joker: one of the first villains without an origin story in superhero movies and, not a coincidence, probably the most iconic villain ever): here comes the part a lot of people seem to miss about Ilsa, despite being what makes her truly great, and i hope my words can express it well enough to make it fully understandable. Before accepting chief Atlee extortion (she uses her to cover up his responsibilities in exchange for reintegration, even if she doesnt know how much Atlee is trying to fool anyone) she has lived for months and maybe years the desperate life of the rogue agent: always alone, with no cause to fight for or hope to believe in, always hiding in fear just to preserve a life that isnt worth living, basically not even being a human person anymore but just an hunted animal (no surprise many in her situation turned to the syndacate just to have a place to belong and feel reasonably safe again); after being betrayed by Atlee the only way to survive is going rogue again, going back to the life that emotionally broke her (it's impossible not to see in her sad eyes the scars of something: you may think it's just some generic grief from the past, maybe linked to the reason of her expulsion we never got to know about, but i say it's at the same time much simpler and much deeper: just an enormously tragic, heartbreaking loneliness; the thing you immediately notice about Ilsa is that, unlike Ethan, she has not a team, she's always isolated physically and emotionally...it's borderline genius writing not falling into the trap of making her the typical "sigma lone wolf" - which still would be a pretty fresh take for a female character compared to other tropes - but instead an incredibly emotional and frail woman who suffers hell because of it (even if she is a trained spy so you never see her actually breaking down, her eyes speak so loud it would have been unneded - and that's the main reasons no one could have played the role better than Rebecca Ferguson: everything one can think about her as an actress i've rarely seen eyes so beautiful and expressive): just look at how heartwarming her smile is while preparing the Morocco heist with Benji and Ethan compared to her usual worried, sad and cautious face, and this just for the possibility to feel as part of something again..Ilsa (toghether with Julia, just because she is ethan's wife) is the only female in MI that actually couldnt be turned into a male without losing the spirit of the character, because even if men suffer loneliness as much as women do, they are much more socially structured to bear it or at least to suppress the pain it brings): that's why Ethan is so important to Ilsa, that's why she loves him of the purest love (while i wouldnt say Ethan loves Ilsa, at least in Rogue Nation and probably not even in Fallout, i think he just connects to her desperation and understands her: after all him too has often gone rogue, and most of all Ilsa's love for him is the perfect counterpart of one of his main traits, the struggle caused by the impossibility to love and have a normal life, which here is finally embodied by a woman who, despite being much more romantically tragic than Julia, has actual agency and is not just a flat damsell in distress), because he's not just the only person showing her comprehension, trust and friendship in years, but also the only chance she has to go back to her old life without going crazy: he's the only person who could survive alongside her as a fugitive, the only chance she has to live with someone to love and trust, someone who could basically just make her feel a person again. Once you fully understand how deep her character is under that aspect (so deep is not really up to everyone to fully understand her, so out of scale she is for a spy-action commercial movie: but everyone who has ever been lonely will certainly relate to her) it's impossible not to feel heartbroken together with her when she's forced to betray Ethan just after saving him, when she desperately asks him to escape together (easily the highest dramatic peak of the saga to me, only one coming somehow close is Brandt's guilt in Ghost Protocol), when she hugs him at the end (look out: it's her hugging him, not viceversa, and she doesnt kiss him: that just goes to show without need for words the nature of her love: not fascination or sexual interest, but just an helpless need for human warmth; it has nothing in common with the typical unexplained cinematic love, it's more like the kind of devastating, blind love a stray dog would give to the person who rescued it). And i also loved a thing some people seemed not to like about her in Fallout: her showing some sign of jealously towards Julia; this is so coherent with her character it hurts. Nowadays everyone is telling us jealously is a sign of the patriarchy, but that's just dull: jealously is a sign of loneliness; it's always the lonely people who are more jealous of their loved ones, cause they are the only thing they have, the last barrier against the abyss of isolation. All that said, it's clear how revolutionary and not just superb Ilsa was as a character for the whole genre. You can clearly tell the man who created her won an oscar for best screenplay: not everyone can come up with such a superbly written character (and as i said i dont love Tom but his intuition was able to do what entire overpaid casting crews are often not able to do: deliver the most spot on casting choice ever in the saga, maybe just alongside the legendary Simon Pegg as Benji, who is personally too much fun to not be my favourite character, even if on an objective level i value Ilsa above him). What's impossible to tell is what kind of crack this same man was smoking while writing Dead Reckoning. Not just the movie sucks under every level, but it totally throws out of the window the huge step forward Ilsa made on a female depiction level: not only Grace is the total opposite of her (drops the only thing you didint need to drop, an hot actress and her iconic sexualization, to re-embrace the damsell in distress trope and the love interest flattening: the last one is in my opinion not so evident, even if you can definitely seeing them trying to sell us some mutual attraction, just because Grace is so little attractive audience just cant relate to that and also because Ilsa being dead by two minutes they couldnt force the thing too much without making it ridicolous and disgusting - but they did it too much already for me), but Ilsa too is turned in the total opposite of her former self: not only she doesnt show any emotion or interest (she's literally just standing there bored waiting to be killed) and she doesnt seem to have a shadow of the skills she used to, but even worse she is turned into the stereotypical love interest the hero cant protect and the flat bad guy is gonna kill so that Ethan and the public can hate him (but Gabriel is so flat and moron that even after Ilsa's death i really could feel not even a shade of aversion towards him; the only person i really would have killed if i found him outside the theatre was Mc Quarrie). The funny thing is you didnt even need so much to close her character arc in a decent way: the most obvious thing was her to sacrifice for the team (not Ethan, she had already shown she could do that), showing she was finally really part of something worth living and dying for, so the Venice scene could have been perfect with very few changes: first of all put it at the end of the movie (even an idiot could see that: putting it in the middle the movie just moves on as nothing happened, and this takes away all the emotional gravity of her death, which was the only moment of the movie to not feel like a bad written action comedy), give Gabriel a sword too (or Ilsa a knife), make the battle longer and most of all dont introduce Grace at all, put Benji at her place on the bridge and in rome car chase and Ilsa at her place on the train (how much more powerful the train wreck scene would have been with the fear for Ilsa's life, and how less idiotic the part before would have looked). Then the movie would still be far from good (Gabriel would still be a flat moron, the entity a sci fi crap, the plot too plain and simple and full of holes, the dialogues often boring and there would still be too much action and too little deception), but at least you would have fixed the main problem and saved the best character of the saga from being screwed forever. Made this way Ilsa's death would have been so emotionally powerfull it could bring you to forget the other problems, not be the worst of them.

Thank you for saying this. I was really looking forward to seeing Ethan and Ilsa "together" as partners, lovers, whatever you cl it 'coz they kinda led us to believe that in Fallout. They just had to end the Julia story. I know Mission is not about romance, but killing off a well-developed character, an absoultely femme fatale over the past two movies, is totally absurd. I will be missing her. 😢 She's the reason I loved the franchise. 'will miss her killer thigh moves. 💔💔 I don't mean harm to the newly-introduced character but she's no Ilsa. (not referring to the actor). She is such a damsel in distress in this movie. All in all. It was one helluvah ride! 'will still watch MI:DR2. 'will just see Reb Ferguson on Dune 2 and Silo 2. 💕🥺 (Or maybe on DR2, too. Maybe she's still alive)

@tylerolsonfilms

10 ай бұрын

YESS!!👏👏👏👏👏

I am SO GLAD this video was made and what was said here! Thank you, couldnt agree more!! I’m devastated over Ilsa’s death !! It’s like, really? Against Gabriel? He’s fine… but like you said not set up to have been trained in any sort of capacity that she is. He’s more fascinating when he speaks - we’ve had way better villains in Philip Seymour Hoffmann as Owen or Henry Cavill!! And now we’re going to get TWO movies with Gabriel?!! Also, Grace should not replace her! I want Ilsa back!

It made no sense to me why someone so tactically adept as Ilsa would move within Gabriel’s stabbing range when she had complete advantage. If it had taken place within the alleyway like the Ethan/Paris fight, fair enough, but it seemed so out of character.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

It's just like if you have an automatic rifle and could shoot a guy totally uncovered in the middle of the road, but you start running to him and try to kill him using the rifle as a stick instead. And even if it's hard to believe this isnt even the most senseless thing of the movie lol.

As much as I didn't think it was a good choice to kill her off, the real problem with doing it is that there were no consequences. It could have worked if Isla being killed led to Ethan killing Gabriel and therefore sacrificing the main mission which is to stop the AI. But he didn't kill Gabriel. He tried...and then was prevented from doing so by the agents. So the end result was simply that Gabriel evaded capture. It was set up by Luther's speech to Ethan that he needs to make sure he doesn't get clouded by revenge, and to take Gabriel alive, as killing Gabriel means the AI wins. It would have been a great twist if Ethan actually did kill Gabriel in the end, therefore getting his revenge for Ilsa, but meaning they lose their chance to stop the AI. Then DR Part 2 would be all about them trying to stop the AI, but it's all because Ethan took revenge against Gabriel. In that case, Ilsa's death would have actually meant something and had serious consequences. As it stands, the only consequence of her dying is that Ethan felt a bit down for a while.

You gained 100% credibility the moment you acknowledged Rogue Nation as the best

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Rn is just out of scale, doesnt even seem a MI movie because of how good it is. Everyone who doesnt put it first doesnt even know what cinema is.

This is one of the rare occasions where I'd be happy for them to do the "Oh no, it wasn't really here, it was some guy in a mask" fakeout

I’m of two minds about it. On one hand, I think it’s more for death to be a consistent thing to this franchise as fun and sometimes light hearted as it can be. We’ve seen his team killed(first one) We saw Lindsey(MI3) killed. We saw Hunley(Fallout) killed. It’s the best way to get at Ethan and in many ways it’s supposed to hurt and having it be a big player as opposed to minor character makes it more impactful. Having Ilsa killed creates tension because it leads you to believe anyone is expendable. It also gives Ethan more motivation to kill Gabriel and stop the entity. However did Ethan really need more motivation? We’re gonna kill not only the best female character of the franchise, but one of the best characters of the franchise in general. Ilsa was that secret sauce. That extra ingredient the franchise needed. What is it not possible to have 2 strong women on the team at a given time? She feels like she got replaced with Grace. They could have at least given her a worthy fight. I don’t want to get to hung up because outside some clunky exposition and okay villain, there was plenty to like here and this continues to be one of the best franchises out there, but yea I’m starting to see the seams of McQuarrie and Cruise’s approach to making these flicks. I’d like to learn more about Ferguson’s exit and if it also had to do with other obligations, but I wish McQuarrie had just saved her for part 2 or just not use her period.

I will keep hoping Ilsa faked her death until we see part 2. She's the best female character, this was a huge mistake.

Ilsa was my favorite new MI character, very cool without any of that cocky attitude we see in other female action characters. Ilsa’s completely unnecessary death took me right out of the movie and out of this franchise. So let down by the way her character was handled.

@WingItMan217

8 ай бұрын

Honestly. It’s not often you get a character like her these days. I’ll never understand the kind of thinking that goes into these kinds of decisions. Killing off your most interesting character is just bizarre. I’m not against character death, far from it. But everything about what happened just doesn’t feel right

I think she's the 'rogue' element to defeat the AI in part 2, the death seemed to easy, and the response after too muted.

Another thing to add is that it made absolutely 0 sense that both Ilsa and Grace showed up at the same bridge that Gabriel was just waiting at, and neither turned around to run away from the man who literally just prophesized their death minutes earlier. The movie gave no explanation at all as to their motives so the whole time Ilsa was fighting and dying, I was just left confused and felt like it was completely preventable.

Ilsas death sucks man. She somehow loses a fight to Gabriel despite having the element of surprise and a sword while he only has a knife. I genuinely don't know how you lose that especially given how ludicrously competent Ilsa is, why did she even let him know she was coming? SO dumb.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Just feels Mc Quarrie forgot about the character he has written.

My guess, is that Ilsa didn't really die, but is considered "officially" deceased. In Dead Reckoning Part 2, maybe Ethan will also die, but his death will also be faked. It would full circle back to MI:4 Ghost Protocol and MI:5 Rogue Nation where they went against the Syndicate where they went against former government agents who were considered "officially" deceased. Now that they're both "officially" deceased, no one would be looking for them. It's also similar to the same method Ethan used to protect Julia when he faked her death in Croatia (which even fooled William Brandt). I'm wondering if they'll do that to Ethan's other teammates like Benji and Luther... which would then also circle back to MI:1 where his team was killed, but this time, their deaths would all be faked in order to protect them.

@fhnasr

10 ай бұрын

Ooooh! Love it! That is super clever of you to think of. Thanks for sharing!!! It cheers me up!

I believe that Ilsa will return. Perhaps it was a plan for the team all along to fake her death to trick the entity. Or so they could convince Grace to join the team. Anyway, we'll have to wait for part 2. Fingers crossed. Great movie!

I’d hazard a guess that I’m more bummed out, once they killed Ilsa (the best character of the franchise) in that way and just acted as though it hadn’t happened and didn’t affect anyone, I was mentally checked out. I agree that it’s a great action film, objectively speaking, but after that point I couldn’t force myself to care about Grace or even the story in general tbh. I did leave the cinema disappointed and extremely angry that McQ could be so careless with a character that was so well established only to be replaced in the space of an hour with another female character, and just expect us to care about her the same way. I completely agree that it feels like the method of figuring out a storyline as they go might have finally come to bite them on the arse, maybe if they’d thought about a script before they started shooting they would have had the chance to realize what a mistake that was.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Even on an action level this movie is less than average. The absurdity and dumbness of it is Fast and Furious level, far far away even from Fallout, who was by far the most absurd to date: it looks like a mid action comedy all along except for Venice part, which on the other hand looks totally disconnected with the others on a plot, tone and style level. And even on pure action shooting it is just average, we've seen far better in the franchise.

Strong agree! I absolutely hate that they killed off Ilsa, and that they did it in such a milquetoast way, all while "replacing" her immediately with Grace who, annoyingly, is the reason everything kept going to shit. In my opinion, MI number 4 and number 6 were the best movies so far, and that was largely in part to the emotional resonance of Ethan Hunt to his wife. For Ilsa to step in as the logical follow-up to that relationship was palpable and I'm offended that she was removed so blithely. Also strong agree on the convoluted plot. I love the heart and work that go into these movies, but this one felt like a letdown so far. Crossing my fingers that part two will elevate the story and send it out on a more satisfying note.

Absolutely great review! what he say's about Faust is 1000% correct. This women was a trained Mi6 Assassin who was in deep cover with the Syndicate. She was an expert in firearms, knives, hand to hand & martial arts she could her breath underwater for nearly 3 minutes, excellent rider on a motor bike she was the flipside of Ethan Hunt. How many times did she save not only Ethan but Benji? You see her in R.N help Ethan defeat 6 men, then see her beat a bigger stronger assassin who was a former soviet Agent himself in the finale. In Fallout she fights Lane to the death while also saving Benji at the same time. Your telling me a dude in a white tuxedo jacket, formal shirt with an ascot, wearing formal pants & shoes could beat her when all these other more talented folks couldn't? Why would she even care about Grace? she didn't know her so why fight for her she was a thief! what was even more ridiculous was Grace holding her own vs Gabriel HOW? especially if u have him killing Faust who is 100 times better than Grace in that skillset. Like he said after the desert scene she could have just sat MI7 out returned in part 2. She appears in Rome with Benji & Luther in the van after the car chase. WHY? She had a 500,000 bounty on her as a disavowed Agent her death was staged so she could disappear leave it there..

I get the impression Rebecca Ferguson herself didnt want to keep doing these films. it just doesnt seem like a writer decision, or even a stunt-based choice. In the last film she was pregnant, she has more options now. It definitely felt forced. Her character felt very 2D in this one, no more pathos or indecision, she's just in Ethan support and violence mode until she's gone

I couldn’t agree more with this video! M:I Rogue Nation has always been my favorite film of the franchise, a major reason for that is Rebecca Ferguson as Ilsa. She’s so incredibly badass in that film and I feel like after that they didn’t know what to do with her. In Fallout, they kind of place her in a similar position as the last film, which I felt was underwhelming for her character. Then in Dead Reckoning part 1, she’s barely in it. When I noticed that, I had a good idea they were gonna kill her off. It’s a shame because she totally could have become a part of the team but they kept her at arms length only for her to die like this. I totally thought she would be endgame too.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Ilsa is the best character of the franchise by miles. Her and Solomon Lane are just out of scale characters for a commercial action movie, and you could clearly see she started to look out of place when the saga started to shift from an intriguing and intelligent spy-plot (GP but most of all RN) to a dumb flat shitload of absurd action (Fallout and most of all Dead Reckoning). Just the same for Benji, who is not more than a cameo in this movie.

Yeahh, I'm with you. I totally hate the way they killed Ilsa off and the manner which they do it, and the disservice they're doing to her character. Actually there are 2 things that piss me off: 1. Ilsa's death 2. The transformation of white widow's character from being such a bad ass, tough and classy agent, straight into the opposite!!! Both of the above are totally unacceptable

Ilsa faust was the best character to ever joined the team.i also hope there is a comeback of ilsa in a great way to reprise her role..the lost of ilsa was the most emotional..

Ilsa pushed the button on the knife hilt to retract the blade. With my four comments I think I covered all the possible outcomes and can say ‘I knew it!’ regardless of the outcome in the sequel.

IIsa is one the most incredible action heroines we've gotten on screen in years. Her "death" in M:I:7 absolutely crushed me and I literally felt my anxiety spike as she was fighting Gabriel cause I kept begging nothing bad would happen to her. I want to hope that Cruise and the writers wouldn't kill off such a fantastic character, it just did not feel right to me. However, if they did perma kill her, I understand how it was used as a method of showing people "no one is safe"... but I really really hated her being killed off (if this is actually the case). I also note that Ferguson is in high demand doing part 2 to Dune and also the lead in Apple's Silo series so maybe she needed to drop out of M:I due to filming conflicts.

MI:5 Rogue Nation is definately my favourite of the series, with Ilsa probably being my favourite character, so yeah Ilsa's death definately soured the experience of the rest of the Dead Reckoning Part One for me. It definately came across as a text book case of fridging. However... Ilsa's roles in the previous two movies has always been that of the 'wild card'. Her motives and who she is working for are not always clear so it's kind of hard to predict what she's going to do. At the start of MI:7 she is set up that way again, but then when she joins Ethan's crew her part in the rest of the film became more straight forward and predictable.. until she suddenly dies. It's also significant because the Entity had predicted it would happen. But what if they have tricked the entity? By faking her own death they've beaten the algorithm. Now with Ilsa off the table she will no longer factor into the Entity's calculations. Ilsa is once again, the wild card. Ethan's secret ace in the hole that will throw all of the Entity's plans out of whack. At least that's what I hope.

I concur with this on just about every point. I don't understand why the writers feel that Ethan requires a new leading lady to have to chase. Ilsa would have been great pay off to Ethan and she was the one person Ethan didn't have to protect and they lived the same lifestyle so he didn't have to hide who he was. Grace could've joined the team AND Ilsa survived and had a "Happy Ending" with Ethan.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Grace just needs to die. I've always hated Julia and thought no one could beat her level of dumbness and annoying flatness, but she managed to.

the fact that they immediately used the supposed death to guilt trip grace to go on the train tells me Ilsa is not dead. No way they use the death of a dear friend like that after saying the most important thing in the whole world is their friends in the same movie

If I’m honest, this one really disappointed me, particularly in how it portrayed the team dynamic. Part of what made the previous MI movies (especially 4-6) so fun was watching the team work together and play off of each other to get out of sticky situations. But in this one, Benji, Luther and Ilsa get pretty unceremoniously sidelined in favour of pushing Grace as the new female lead and allowing Ethan to singlehandedly solve every problem himself without a hitch. I know he’s often the easy target of these kinds of jokes, but this was the first MI film that felt entirely driven by Tom Cruise’s ego.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

EXACTLY

There might be a possibility she’s still alive.

@marvindasprtan

10 ай бұрын

She is listed as part of the cast for the next one so I guess that's something

What if the rabbits foot is a base version of the entity… Macquarie is a god tier writer and he brought back kitteridge and directed Dutch angles like Bryan daPalmer in dead reckoning so he’s going back on the old films could he have picked up on tying up a loose end.

@FullFatVideos

10 ай бұрын

I did think parts of benjis speech in mi3 could have set up the entity…

@CallOfCutie69

10 ай бұрын

Rabbit’s foot had the biohazard symbol on it, it was enough to me to have general idea what threat this was. Also the fact that’s it looks like a container for some substance, not as a hard drive or SSD.

I swear ill go one day late and check for spoilers in MI8 I refuse to watch a MI movie without my favorite character not making a return

@Giovanni-dd6kq

5 ай бұрын

Me too. Tom Cruise deserves to flop miserably in everything he does. Never seen anyone have so little respect for other characters and actors: Jeremy Renner, Rebecca Ferguson and Alec Baldwin (with their respective characters) literally transformed Mission Impossible from Bond's dumb cousin into the most anticipated spy-action saga, but they were all written off dumbly just because he cant manage some schedule conflict: working this way you will forever have an awful cast of actors no one else wants, like Atwell and Morales, both visually average, dumb looking and very bad at fighting and acting. This movie is just three hours of senseless not at all exciting Tom Cruise stunts, plot and characters just being a very bad written excuse for them.

I didn’t love grace as a character at all, so I was also pretty bummed to see her essentially get swapped in for Ilsa. I joked with my wife that when Ethan were told he had to choose which one died, that it should’ve been an easy choice (other than the fact that he’s a hero and doesn’t want anybody to die). Let me see, the romantic interest that I’ve worked with multiple times over the years, or this thief that keeps causing me issues over the last couple days that I just met. It kinda makes me think that she won’t actually be dead, but idk

@catelynstark9883

8 ай бұрын

I think she’ll be a villain again in Part 2 only by then IMF molded her into a bigger fighter or just a anti villain now we know what the Entity is capable of; like Ethan will witness her kill Gabriel in full revenge mode for Ilsa or whoever else he kills that died in her watch in which she feels responsible for since she has a very pure survivor’s guilt before Ethan could becoming the new Gabriel allowing Ethan to destroy the entity

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

​@@catelynstark9883if any character has at all some reason to become a villain (Grace was never a villain, just a moron caught up in something bigger by chance) it would be Ilsa; just imagine she fakes her death to test Ethan or for other reasons and sees Ethan and the team seemingly not giving a damn and even letting Grace into the team, which they never did for her (this was one of the biggest wtf of the movie: Grace is literally just met two days before, she's too moron to be a villain but for what ethan knows she could be, she is totally dumb and useless on a skill level so idk what they think of doing with her, she has no bond with the members of the team and is not even attractive). Combined with how much she loves Ethan, this is literally one the biggest and most realistic reason to become a villain i've ever seen. Would be great if Gabriel was Ilsa with a mask all along (the guy is just too flat and moron to be a real character).

@catelynstark9883

6 ай бұрын

@@marcobeltrami4093 that would be some serious Game of Thrones season 8 quality shit then again that’s what I dread the writing is already going in that direction

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

@@catelynstark9883 shit but entertaining at least. DR1 is by far the worst written MI together with the second, but to me it wasnt even able to entertain. Gabriel is just the same as Momoa in Fast X, and even the movies are similar: just a few hours of unrealistic, incoherent, stupid action shitload, plot and characters being just a bad written excuse for Tom Cruise to do some stunts And all aside this is at least a much more coherent way of ending Ilsa than her stupid and useless two minutes death no one seems to give a shit about in DR1. And while a super trained assassin who survived as a Rogue Agent for more than five years is killed like a moron (sword vs knife is so insulting to audience intelligence i feel bad for people who found nothing wrong with it) Grace (a real moron who can do literally nothing and would die every ten minutes if it wasnt for Ethan constantly running after her like a nanny) is constantly saved by absurd deus ex machina. I'm waiting spoilers for DR2: if Grace doesnt die an horrible death i'm not going to watch it.

@Onlygodforgives-sp1gx

16 күн бұрын

Agreed. It's an easy choice to anyone with eyes, but i guess charm and charisma are no more the number one factors of choice. Hard to imagine what the factors are honestly.

I think it might have actually had more impact if they had Luther be the one who died. Keep the whole setup, but have this also be the first instance of the Entity not 100% calling their shot. Have Luther be the one who gets on the boat instead of Benji, out searching for Ethan and Ilsa. Have Luther fight Gabriel but be clearly out matched. And then Luther has to silent direct Ilsa to rescue Grace (Because why would Gabriel leave her alive?) instead of joining in to take out Gabriel. Maybe have Grace take a bad hit and need immediate assistance or have some kind of poison, some kind of ticking clock. Because Luther has been with us for the ENTIRE film series, his death has automatic increased weight. It makes narrative sense that he could A: figure out where to go and B: not take Gabriel in a fight but not be a push-over. And it also has in universe stakes, since we'd established Luther was one of the few who could handle the code side of the Entity dilemma. All that said, I'm also in the camp of thinking Ilsa might not be COMPLETELY dead. They never really did anything with her fake out death in the desert, so maybe it has a planting/payoff role to play here.

I am literally so happy more people think she could still be alive. I’ve been clinging onto shreds of hope since it came out

This is the most agreeable video about the whole Mission Impossible series I've ever watched.

While I understand people's frustrations with Ilsa's death, I dont think it was a case of fridging to push Ethan's character forward, or Grace just being a replacement for her. While you could say that the fight between Ilsa and Gabriel was underwhelming, I personally enjoyed it and her death fit with the themes of the movie. One of the biggest themes of the movie is choice. The fact that there is this rogue AI loose that can predict any move you make, thereby theoretically rendering choices moot, so what do you do? In the scene before the confrontation with the White Widow, Ilsa, Luther and Benji all confront Ethan with the fact that in order to go up against the Entity, an algorithm operating on cold, unfeeling logic, they in turn have to think like it, and that the scale of the threat means that they have to put the mission above their lives, which Ethan refuses to accept. Then the confrontation with Gabriel and the Widow happens, where Gabriel reveals the Entity's prediction, that Ethan has to make a choice between Grace and Ilsa. However, that was bullshit as the following sequence revealed that the Entity manipulated Ethan into a trap to keep him from getting to Grace, but Ilsa can reach her in time, so right now, the choice is in Ilsa's hands. She could walk away alive, or confront Gabriel to save Grace with the very real possibility of her death. She chooses to go after Gabriel because, like Ethan, she wouldnt be able to live with herself if she could have saved someone and chose not to. I actually liked the fight between her and Gabriel, it showed that they were on equal footing and there were times where Ilsa nearly got him, but in the end, Gabriel was the one with the lucky break. The choice got her killed, but it saved Grace's life. In the aftermath, the entire team, not just Ethan, are shown to be torn up about it and you can see it from the performances. Luther and Benji are also taking it hard, but they know that the mission needs to come first, as that is what Ilsa would have wanted. Also, I really love the interplay between Grace and Luther, where Grace says "Im sorry, she's dead because of me" and Luther responds with "No. You're alive because of her." And Benji and Ethan are shown agreeing with him, understanding that Ilsa chose to save Grace and that she shouldnt disrespect and waste her choice by wallowing in self pity. And that theme of choice plays out in the third act of the movie, with Grace choosing not to hand the key to Kittridge, Ethan not killing Gabriel, the two agents trailing Ethan choosing to trust him to save lives, and Paris choosing to save Ethan after he made the choice to spare her even though she may have cost him from saving Ilsa. The only person who isnt using the power of choice is Gabriel, as he is letting the Entity choose for him, by following its predictions by killing Cary Elwes' character and attempting to kill Paris based on the algorithmic prediction that doing so would prevent Ethan from getting the information he needs. The result of all of this is that Ethan gets the key and the information he needs, defying the predictions of the Entity, and showing that the choices we make, even if the options are terrible, do matter and do make a difference, as their choices put them in a better position than the enemy by the end, setting Part 2 up brilliantly. I dont think that judgement on Ilsa's death can be made before watching Part 2, as characters can still have presence in a story even after their death, and Ilsa was McQuarrie's creation, not one of previous MI writers, so I have faith that he will make her presence felt in Part 2 even after her death. I could be wrong, but we will have to wait until Part 2, which I am very excited for.

@marka8124

10 ай бұрын

Ilsa beat the bone Dr, no way she loses to Gabriel.

@kurtwagner350

10 ай бұрын

Very well said, however part of me thinks there’s a solid chance she faked her death and will return in part 2

@sharksfan232

10 ай бұрын

@@kurtwagner350 After thinking about it, there is a chance you are right, because when Gabriel stabbed Paris, she was framed in a similar way to Ilsa after she was stabbed, and at the end of the movie, they specifically say that Paris still has a pulse, meaning she isn't dead, so there is a chance that Ilsa will be revealed to be alive in Part 2. However, for the context of Part 1 alone, I think Ilsa's death works really well and if it was meant to be a fakeout, saving the reveal for Part 2 was the correct option.

@kurtwagner350

10 ай бұрын

@@sharksfan232 totally agree, and again well said

@acaciopoliveira

10 ай бұрын

Great argument... Human choice indeed

Faust was the most interesting character so far in the franchise and Rogue Nation is also my favourite, in part because of her involvement in the story but also how well McQuarrie balances the spectacle of big sequences (plane stunt, underwater stunt, bike chase) with the more espionage elements of spycraft and ambiguous motives of the characters (Opera scene, Prime Minister scene). I could easily watch an entire movie just focused on her and Kittridge. Hunt's daring and determination is admirable and leads to some thrilling stunt sequences but you are just watching Cruise do his thing and Hunt as a fleshed out character is not that interesting in my view after 7 films. That's why I keep coming back to Bond even though the films are less consistent, you still have an interesting character even when he's not involved in any missions or action. I would love to have seen more of the Ethan Hunt we had in the 1st Mission Impossible, he felt like more of a nuanced character and my favourite set piece of the entire franchise is still that Langley heist.

@kitano0

10 ай бұрын

One of my favorite cinematic moments is Rebecca Ferguson in that yellow dress, pointing that rifle. That whole set piece is fantastic...reminds me of Hitchcock!

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Hunt is an iconic and charming character, but he's always been pretty much flat (and in last two movies he lost a lot of his charm too). Until Ghost Protocol the saga wasnt able to produce characters with actual depth, then the great William Brandt showed up. But Rogue Nation was the game changer and tbe paramount peak of the saga on every level: action is great and realistic (plane scene excluded, but it's just an opening scene placed fot spectacular purposes only), you can cut tension with a knife (some scenes still give me shivers: especially the "we are the syndacate" scene and every scene Ilsa interacts with Lane: when the key reveals to be empty and he grabs her face saying "i'm curious to see who you are gonna blame this time" with THAT voice it's impossible not to be scared...and also the line "only reason i have not killed you is because i believe in your potential" is terrific when you fully understand what it means: Lane, as every monster who is not crazy (he is fully rational), fights to suppress the feeling of how miserable he is, and is obsessed with the idea everyone would be like him in his conditions (the desperate and lonely life of the rogue agent, with no place to belong on earth), and that's why he's so obsessed with Ilsa: she's a strong but almost emotionally broken by loneliness and lack of purpose woman, filled with disillusion and bitterness, but she just cant betray her extremely good-hearted nature, so good she risks her life and mission (which for her is the only chance to go back to a human life) to save an unknown innocent like Ethan...he cant stand that, he wants her to be broken and turn bad as him - maybe even to break the heartbreaking isolation he live in, just like Ilsa - to realise her "potential", a fate he deep down personally knows to be way worse than death: when he understands Ethan is a light of hope for her he forces her to kill him with the bomb idea, so she will be lost forever like him), plot is amazing and just seems a geometrical theorem for how good and coherent it is, but most of all almist every character is deep: Benji is for once serious, his fears and relationship with Ethan are explored very well; Brandt is great, his hesitance towards ethan methods combined with his great faith in the man is admirable; Atlee is the greatest disgusting basta**d with 5 minutes of screentime in spy-action history; even the bone doctor is a freaking legend; Lane and Ilsa have a depth that is just out of scale not just for the saga but for the genre. Going from that to this last movie, where plot and characters are just a stupid and bad written excuse for Tom Cruise to do some stunts, is one of the worst downgrade i've ever seen (possibly even worse than going from Skyfall to No Time To Die: they even have in common the useless cringe humiliating death of one of the most memorable characters in the genre history). A well-written, deep and articulated character like Ilsa was totally out of place in this unrealistic, plain and unfunny action comedy shitload, no wonder they wrote her off (not really a coincidence the Venice part dominated by Ilsa (even in this silent and bored version that is not even the shadow of her former self) seems a different movie put into it by chance: the sudden switch from its dark and tragic tone to the Grace-on-train unfunny and annoying comedy tone is just disturbing to watch for anyone with even a shadow of aesthetic taste): but making her disappear without explaination would have been better than the bullshit they came up with. I can write a better story than this and i'm not kidding. The whole movie was awful and incredibly dull, but screwing Ilsa (she doesnt even seem the same character she was), by miles the best female character in spy-action genre ever, for a flat, dumb, useless, unattractive and just annoying damsell in distress was really the point of no return for me: not gonna watch any movie of the saga ever again. I hope for their own dignity the next one is gonna be the last. Ps. My favourite piece of action is Vienna Opera House: realistic af but gorgeous on a cinematic level and able to deliver more tension than all the absurd action shitload MI usually comes up with.

15:10 exactly my thoughts during the fight. It just doesn't fit her character, that she fights so "stupidly" with her sword, getting so close etc. This makes it seem like, it is kind of her fault that she looses and dies. If she needed to be killed because of the actress or other reasons, she would have deserved a much more honorable death

Really enjoyed this breakdown. I felt exactly the same about Ilsa. Such a waste of a really strong character.

We have to remember that this is a part one! For that reason it’s amazing. Because it does everything it’s supposed to do, while also feeling like a pretty complete experience. I was satisfied by the end, while still feeling strong anticipation for what’s coming next. As a stand-alone film it’s great but you definitely feel like it’s just one part of a larger story! Classic filmmaking at its finest!

I am kinda split about Ilsa, First of all yeah, they killed her to replace her with Grace... And even if I enjoyed Ilsa she was more or less a badass spy like Ethan. They could more or less do the same things, great driving skills, combat skill etc. So in a way it is more fun to follow Grace, fish out of water, get to see her grow. However they didn't need to kill Ilsa, they could send her away like it seems Luther was.

@TheJadedJames

10 ай бұрын

Ilsa didn’t need to die or even be removed from the action for Grace to exist. The IMF team was comprised of 4 core members. It wasn’t crowded. IIsa could have just been in the car with Benji in the last act and nothing big would change.

I have to agree that Ilsa being killed is whack, (especially if it’s true). I’ve always wondered why the women in these movies keep getting replaced and there can only be one female team member at a time. I have always missed Maggie Q and Paula Patton’s characters. What makes it worse is that for 20 years they’ve had Luther & Benji facilitate the same role in the team simply because they’re likable characters, but that’s not enough for any other character. Every Mission Impossible movie that includes more than 1 female protagonist kills off at least one of them if not all of them.

@marcobeltrami4093

6 ай бұрын

Every character that is not a comic relief is always written off ridicolously. Jane Carter and all the characters before her were not that big loss honestly, but William Brandt and Ilsa were the best and deepest characters of the saga together with Solomon Lane, writing them off just goes to show this saga is not a place for serious and well written characters: they can work for a movie or two, then Tom Cruise's ego claims back his flat centrality; articulate characters and plots are an obstacle for his stunts.

I’m gonna miss Ilsa. She was awesome, and one of the best characters the franchise has introduced imo. She might be alive somehow, but that just might be wishful thinking on my part. I just really loved her, and I don’t wanna see her go.

They shouldn’t have killed her off, she was the greatest female character in the entire franchise

Watched this last night...popcorn gold, best instalment so far. Only negative being ilsa's untimely death and ethans equally pulse dead response to it. Seriously hoping this is due to the fact she's still with us..its an injustice to let the queen of badass go out in such an anticlimactic way.

I don’t think she’s dead. The scene before they arrived at the club, they were arguing about it being unsafe to all show up together while thinking of ways to “outsmart” the AI. That scene ended kind of abruptly without resolution to their plan. Before she left the club with the sword, Tom nodded to her. There was very little emotional reaction to her death. I think they planned to fake her death to keep both her and Grace alive. If they were really to kill Ilsa off, they would have made it much more impactful. Just felt emotionally off were it to be true.

@bobtheskutterbot

10 ай бұрын

Though I agree a lot with this comment and all comments pointing out the possibility of Ilsa's death being a fake-out, it doesn't change the fact that the film lost me, and many other commenters, by doing this. Bad film making regardless of intent.

@moneyball32

10 ай бұрын

@@bobtheskutterbot That's your opinion. The story isn't finished and we won't know the reason (if the death was faked) until part 2. Hard to judge if something is poor film making if you only have 1/2 of the story.

Agree, Ilsa's death was trite and shallow. For Ethan to just shake it off and move on to the next side kick didn't do his or Ilsa's characters justice.

You didn’t like Ilsa‘s death because she didn’t die. Ethan believes she died, that was essential to create moral. Wait to Ethan’s story but she gave a little nod, indicating she faked her death in order to protect Grace, and she will make a glorious return and save the day or who knows she might even replace Ethan as the lead character.