I hope the Babadook ISN'T a gay metaphor/allegory, seeing as how the movie ends with a concerned mother, motivated by the desire to defend her child, returning her life to mostly normalcy by scaring the Babadook back into a closet.

@46raulfull

8 ай бұрын

But tbf she does feed the babadook occasionally to not let it die :)

@llcdrdndgrbd

7 ай бұрын

In order to tame the babadook she has to confront it, and then she can live peacefully with it but can’t get rid of it. You could read the ending as a queer metaphor where one’s sexuality can be destructive if one doesn’t come to grips with it, and it’s something you can never get rid of, so you must learn how to live happily and peacefully as a queer person by embracing your sexuality. But this falls apart because it still relies on the babadook being an aspect of the mother in the story, and the mother in the story’s sexuality is barely touched upon, we know she was married and we know a nice guy tries to ask her out, that’s it.

@annoyingkid48

7 ай бұрын

I mean it clearly isn’t meant to be a queer allegory, but folks can read it that way if they want to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@FireMonkey9

Ай бұрын

@@llcdrdndgrbdwell the thing about that is that subtextual readings of any story, from any subtext, are not related to the specific events in the story at all, but are representative of the experience of the group for which you are reading. A great example is in beastars with how Legoshi’s attraction to a taboo species, creating a romantic predator-prey relationship, is characteristic of the trials gay people have to go through in a community where that is taboo. Keith Ballard made a great, 3 hour-long video essay breaking that down in which he also explained the difference between text and subtext.

"babadiscourse" fucking slayed me

"A troll is an anti-communicator, someone whose express goal is to jam a wad of gum into a sincere conversation" -The Morbid Zoo Best definition of an internet troll I've heard

“Geez, for someone who claims to be so much better than me, I sure do _bother you a lot_ .” Banger ending line and absolutely banger video, I am so glad you’re back.

The phrase "species of clown" is viscerally terrifying to me

It wasn't photoshop. Netflix really did list it under LGBTQ+ films. THAT is what started the meme.

"For someone who claims to be better than me I sure do bother you a lot" me when the universe conspires against me

While I normally absolutely love trolling people, keep in mind there's a logical problem with it. Just like 4chan's Pol was originally claiming to be nazis to troll, if you act like an idiot long enough eventually you'll be surrounded by legitimate idiots that think they're in good company. The biggest troll argument of today may end up picked up by some honest idiots tomorrow, at which point it's not really trolling anymore.

@marcospatricio8283

9 ай бұрын

There's a reason "it's satire, bro" is used to mock trolling, and you just put said reason on words. On top of that, the last line shows how trolling can be actively harmful: you think the people flabbergasted at the "the babadook is a gay man" take were straight conservatives? They were most likely allies. One's deadpan self-mockery can alienate it's allies and possible allies on the fringes, all to lightly bother their enemies. Of course, I'm not saying trolling - or any form of self-mockery, for that matter - is inherently good or evil. These things are tools, simply. But their effects might be different than what you expect.

@xanman2003

6 ай бұрын

If you have to keep telling people that it's satire, you're probably not doing satire very well

It is an actually good evening when Mariana posts.

@drewbiedubious1723

11 ай бұрын

Right?

@allermenchenaufder

11 ай бұрын

@@drewbiedubious1723more please. . .

shit like making the babadook gay is what i love most about my community lmfao

I recently played around with some Tolkien nerds, they are a fun lot. The old "Frodo and Sam are gay" troll bit, classic and still works!

@46raulfull

8 ай бұрын

they definitely are gay and they definitely kissed a lot on their journey

I was in a genuine confusion this entire video. Not because of your points, which you did an excellent job btw, I just subscribed after this video (I especially liked your analogy of trolls tangoing with unbeknownst dancers), but because I had no clue Gay Babadook discourse was a thing. Consider me babashook.

@limb-o7180

8 ай бұрын

*gay babadiscourse

"The right to disrupt. The right to be a problem." Oh fuck yeah! ✊🏳️‍🌈

I am finally defeated. After I heard Babadiscourse. There was nothing I could, beyond. YES LET US BE UGLY AND MESSY AND AWFUL AND RUDE. Queer art is suffocated from within and without by propriety. I'll never stop banging on about how brilliant [Helicopter Story] is and how much a a genuine tragedy what happened to Isabel Fall was.

@alejotinganell5653

7 ай бұрын

Poor woman got cancelled by bait posts only quoting its title, that, by itself is just a typical transphobic phrase, without actually reading the content, interpreting it or at least read a sinthezis of the text and who the author is 😭 So glad to read someone bringing this story up

@br1na332

7 ай бұрын

@@alejotinganell5653 100% truly a tragedy, as was the misinformation and hate campaign that came Neon Yang's way too (They definitely weren't great, but they absolutely weren't in first and leading a charge). I genuinely love the story and found it an absolute revelation as both an exploration and critique of gender, spec sci-fi, and authoritarian governments/ military exploiting all aspects of peoples, especially marginalised folx. TimeCapsule has a great video on the story (and their channel is definitely something I can see TMZ viewers enjoying) kzread.info/dash/bejne/oototK-aj7mWe7g.htmlsi=psoJE5GhuhzARbsS

Every time this happens: "I can't tell if you're being sarcastic." "We are not, we are being 100% serious." "...okay, that *can't* be sarcastic." Like, if telling you that it's a joke would make the joke less funny, why would anyone do it just because they were asked?

@rhyscooper3693

Ай бұрын

It's also complicated because even amongst a group of trolls there may be some who are sincere, who may communicate in ways almost indistinguishable from the trolls around them. I feel like this gets into the complex of neoplatonic media/communication theory of distinguishing representations from what they represent.

thank you for the definition of trolling. I was very confused and was probably doing it wrong. I was just sitting under a bridge waiting for people to pass by and ask them to pay my toll.

YES! Babadook, LGTB and trolls... What a molotov cocktail

man, why do we even need a video about this? It's obvious to anyone watching the movie that the Babadook is gay

This is surprisingly fascinating. As someone who heavily curates what they spend time on (as far as the Internet is concerned anyway) and who's probably too old to care much about getring involved in any Internet discourse, the gay Babadook thing completely passed me by. My daughter, on the other hand, absolutely knew that the Babadook was gay, despite not knowing what the Babadook was or even seeing the film. Interesting times indeed. Glad you're back and at least relatively sane, hope the dissertation is going well

I don’t know why, but I burst out laughing when I heard the word “babadiscourse” and had to pause this video for 2 minutes

Certified Banger

WAKE UP BABE MORBID ZOO POSTED (in this scenario, "babe" is a gay man)

So... the Babadook is camp

not the babadiscourse 💀

poggers gay babadookie :3

This is going to be the most autistic thing I've said in a while, but your speech pattern is unbelievably cool. Your tone of voice and inflection carry such intensity, but never in an offputting way; rather, in the way that lets the keen listener know the things which cannot be said and invites them to share the feeling. When impassioned, your plosives hammer every word into being so expressively. It's very rare that just a voice cam evoke in me something so raw that I have a strong physical sensation in my chest and gut which I cannot fully comprehend. In short, your voice is pretty cool. I'll fight the envy and instead consider you a source of vocal aspiration. Mine certainly isn't yet what I'd like it to be. Though I'm an anonymous commenter, please allow the illusory me that exists in your mind one moment of transfeminine admiration and one moment more of sapphic longing before letting my words wash from your thoughts and forgetting about me forever. Keep doing what you do, in both the big and the small. You're the best damn writer on this side of the internet.

@themorbidzoo

11 ай бұрын

This is my new all-time fav comment 💗

@sorahatumna1095

11 ай бұрын

@@themorbidzoo well I was worried I was posting cringe, but that's now been assuaged

Started with your The Thing video and now I'm here... new favorite channel! Love your analysis and humor and wit and delivery of communication! Very inspiring!

aaaayyy a new video holy shit. i was having a poopoo kinda day but i'm a bit happier now. thanks for the upload!

Babadiscourse xd

I’ve watched almost every single one of your videos just today…

How's the dissertation going?

@themorbidzoo

11 ай бұрын

Mediocre 🥲

babadook was categorized as lgbt movie for real. it was not photoshopped. i'm pretty sure it was one of the movies highlighted in netflix's pride month tab

3:44 Hol' up! That's from Assassin's Creed!

@TheRedBeardTalk

23 күн бұрын

I almost bolted upright like a sleeper agent when they said that

Weirdly entertaining, listening to Mariana talking about something that is a complete mystery to me and that i have zero interest in but she is so wonderfully eloquent and insightful . . . . . .

Only 1k likes? That’s bullshit, this is great analysis

If the Barbadook was gay, he would have called himself the Ooogaaabadook.

💀..Such a Beauty..(!!)

a little silliness is fine for me

What do you think about the right-wing co-opting and use of clowns or "clownworld" as a right wing dogwhistle?

@llcdrdndgrbd

7 ай бұрын

Clowns are funny and can mean many things, and the right can’t co-opt a huge ancient idea found in pretty much every culture

@br1na332

7 ай бұрын

I know you're not asking me, but I think it's a perfect distillation of how they don't understand anything and that parcelling that knowing nothing into little soundbites that equate to verbally putting your fingers in your ears and signing obnoxiously loudly helps them and others continue to not engage their brains. It's an example of a lot slogans, especially right wing, but everyone does it, that amount to AI generated call and response that all just translate to 'I'm in this group/ Not in that group'. RuPaul is a divisive figure, what with commercialising of Queerness, reducing the broad spectrum of drag to variations of one thing, and the whole having fracking ranches thing (he slays, he's my Queer sibling, but seriously, fuck that guy), but he's not wrong when he says, "We're all born naked and the rest is drag". Everything everyone does is a performance, regardless of how innate and true to the self it is. The fact that society insists that's not the case and all of the everything is cool and normal and good, actually, rather than monkeys playing pretend, is exactly why clowns exist. They are the mirror and mocking reminder, as Mariana talks about in another video. Queer people and anyone who doesn't fit society's expectations and demands are all clowns. And clowns, and the mirror, make these people incredibly uncomfortable because they refuse to ever recognise the LARP that is life. Those crazy kids just so happen to be so far from the point that they are actually right on the money!

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

You’re brilliant.

Oh so it's one of those memes that's made to troll people who don't know they are meme-ing?

Yay

The Babadook is one thick bih

Do you have a podcast? If so can you direct me to it? Thank you

The Bibadook

the babadorks

❤🐢

The horror community is even worse than the insufferable disney adults.

@themorbidzoo

11 ай бұрын

lol hard agree

how could anyone manage to relate lgbt with a movie like babadook it's like comparing pears and sand paper

@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382

11 ай бұрын

I think that's the point

@Mongolold

11 ай бұрын

I saw a video explaining this, let me try to find it

@cupiderstunt

11 ай бұрын

😑

@lorenzo1425

11 ай бұрын

If you're queer you can see literally anything from a queer pov. And I don't mean this in a demeaning way, I mean everyone brings their own experiences into their reading of a text

@varan04276

8 ай бұрын

​@moharak Art is meant to reflect the person watching it. If a piece is meant for mass consumption, but cannot reflect a significant portion of society, than it's failing on its point of mass appeal. The only reason a queer interpretation is viewed so differently than others is because of our heteronormative society. The queer interpretation does not invalidate others, it's merely a lens for us to consider the implications from this point of view.

The "Babadiscourse"!!! 😆😂🤣😭😭😭🫨🤯😵💀☠️🪦