The most astounding thing about this video is that Fit went two minutes 28 seconds without saying "the oldest anarchy server in minecraft"

@Dude-vq3oe

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@awfulwaffles8490

Жыл бұрын

He was actually cutting it really close here, if he goes 2 minutes 30 seconds without saying "the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft" he flatlines immediately

@newlineschannel

Жыл бұрын

True lol

@kyanite16

Жыл бұрын

fr

@Somebodythatiusedtoknoww

Жыл бұрын

I know when he went more than 5 minutes without saying “the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft”

I feel like people should have an option to enable reporting on their own hosted server, and not globally across all servers

@10_points

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@mishizhere7075

Жыл бұрын

Just like vac-bans on steam

@PlasmaOne

Жыл бұрын

This should stay as a community effort. MCBans used to be a thing. Lets not try to do this again

@TheSanctuaryMCServer

Жыл бұрын

This, no one else should be allowed to decide whats against the rules on my own Server. (Illegal and Lawbreaking stuff aside.)

@JustJoshtified

Жыл бұрын

O as

This whole entire thing reminds me of something an old person once told me - It's legal to shit in the woods, but shit enough of the woods and someone's gonna try and stop you.

@le_fancy_squid

Жыл бұрын

That's actually a really good point. The reason that a lot of laws exists is because it may not have been so much of an issue at some point, but if it begins to become a reoccurring problem then as time goes on you have to do something.

@jdtyy

10 ай бұрын

This just became twitter 2.0 with all the keyboard warriors and the owner being involved 😂

If they were only griefing on anarchy or pvp servers then I'd say mojang is being stupid. But these guys made a piece of software specifically to target random peoples servers. So the bans were justified in my eyes. That being said I also fear this is going to lead to more extreme bannings.

@BabyKnxckz

11 ай бұрын

yeah the harrasing banns are kinda justified, but not the rest also whats not justified is the banning of innocent people that got connected to the group years ago in a video...

@HelloIbeMatt

9 ай бұрын

Mojang is in the process of making the game 10 and under. I wish I was joking. They are currently targeting mods that don't even have violent aspects. If it's too difficult? Mojang says no. Too complex of an idea? Nope. That's the real problem here. As for the griefers? Honestly, gtf over it. If you're playing on an unwhitelisted server or a server without greif protection, you deserve it. It's a block game. We really gonna cry about our sandcastle getting knocked over? Y'all too sensitive. Maybe you should try stardew valley. It's a great safe game where mean people can't break your stuff.

@markdsm-5157

9 ай бұрын

@@HelloIbeMatt Get tired of that 'just a game' argument. It's just a game to you. Others invest more time and thought into it. and for some kids, it's an escape from shitty lives. Though, it does teach these kids they need to learn more about securing a server and such. It's also hilarious that the same people that are grieving other servers also yell at Hause "This is suppose to be anarchy, not tyranny!" every time he changes something on the server and start protesting, just to go off and be tyrannical to little kids that don't know all the coolest exploits.

@andrek6920

9 ай бұрын

@@HelloIbeMatt If youre griefing random peoples servers and you get banned, you deserve it. Its a block game. We really gonna cry about getting banned for being an annoying piece of shit? Y'all too sensitive. Maybe you should try single player. Its a great safe place to grief where mean developers can't ban you.

@markdsm-5157

9 ай бұрын

@GodNotReal because a lot of these little kids are innocent and don't know any better. Just to have someone come along and destroy 'all their hard work' and tell them it's their fault for not protecting their server better. We're talking about Griefers here. it's what they do. This is just another excuse to go grief something, while trying to look righteous about it.

Banning griefers for 12 years is basically like telling them to grow up.

@Teh_Random_Canadian

Жыл бұрын

Good

@michaelquaid9656

Жыл бұрын

While being 12 yourself

@testgamer571

Жыл бұрын

if you can’t handle losing your work ( have multiple times for year-long worlds) or want someone to get banned for cyber harassment (it has happened to me too), YOU’RE the one who needs to grow up.

@6-dpegasus425

Жыл бұрын

​@TestGamer it's not whether the victim can handle it, it's just more preventative measures.

@phaseaken2230

Жыл бұрын

@@6-dpegasus425🙁

I like how Fit is slowly moving away from only covering 2B2T and also talks about Minecraft stuff in general.

@andrejosue98

Жыл бұрын

Well this affects 2b2t, doesn't it?

@mostlyharmfulll2103

Жыл бұрын

@@andrejosue98 Yes, but 2B2T is not the only server affected. Most of his past videos are only about 2B2T and nothing else.

@thespooner3906

Жыл бұрын

Seems like a lot of people are getting away from 2b2t these days. Im not sure why really, maybe theres not a lot to cover thats been done already, or people might be getting bored

@mr.voidroy6869

Жыл бұрын

@Doctor_Who it can. He said that if they take video evidence and act on it. Techinally all content uploaded from 2b2t with hacks could get everyone banned

@latergator9622

Жыл бұрын

Well the group did originate from 2b2t right? So it's technically still 2b2t content

6:00 just a sidenote: this part is talking about how you're not allowed to distribute minecraft's copyrighted code. Basically a normal mod doesn't contain any of minecraft's code, rather the modloader "patches" the mod inside your existing minecraft installation. This is because minecraft's code is copyrighted and legally if you'd send a download link of a full minecraft client with a mod added in it'd be piracy

@refficial

Жыл бұрын

basically meaning don’t distribute MCP mods

@The_Dr_Fate

Жыл бұрын

​@@refficialwhat do u mean

@thewhitefalcon8539

4 ай бұрын

It's dumb because you can download a full copy of Minecraft from Mojang's server without logging in.

@_abzy

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@thewhitefalcon8539It's not a full copy, it's just the launcher. When you open a game version version for the first time, it downloads it at that point.

@RawbLV

4 ай бұрын

@@thewhitefalcon8539 That doesn't cancel the copyright.

Just an FYI, customer service is rarely talking between themselves so responses can be different. But they got banned for the indexing mods and the mass griefing of worlds. That's it. The in-game messages could be a behind the scenes change

@HeadsDisplay

Жыл бұрын

yes but because of the change in why they were ban as well other who did not take part in it that could have been ban from a edit video could and will open Microsoft to a lawsuit. but we will have to wait and see

@atlesifeyst2185

Жыл бұрын

nah harassment is harassment. they want to do that kind of content, even for views OR cash.

I think the focus is on the "cause harm to other players" part rather than "hacked client". Mojang can't afford to ban mods and they know it.

@thealientree3821

Жыл бұрын

Nintendo banning mods for their entire lifespan:

@Windows__2000

Жыл бұрын

@@thealientree3821 yh bcs nintendo games are so good they can get away being complete dckheads.

@thealientree3821

Жыл бұрын

@@Windows__2000 So should Microsoft, in fact probably more so because they own an entire computer software, so what would be the difference?

@Windows__2000

Жыл бұрын

@@thealientree3821 Mojang isn't Microsoft

@Miko_Hanamori

Жыл бұрын

@@thealientree3821 That's because they strictly enforce it, and it's only a small part of their community that mods their games. Minecraft is a sandbox game, and the devs have made it explicitly clear they will not punish modding, and even encourage it, so changing that fact suddenly would cause an uproar.

Remember when Mojang used to be like "Play Multi-player servers at your own risk" 😂

@shadowdragon9490

Жыл бұрын

I do. How the times have changed 💀

@SMCwasTaken

Жыл бұрын

I mildly dislike you

@freewyvern707

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that doesn't cut it for the game Minecraft is now

@TheSanctuaryMCServer

Жыл бұрын

Its weird. I always laughed at Disclaimers on Games where they tell you that Playing on Private Servers the Dev is not Responsible, (as that is common sense). Apparently not anymore, really weird.

@ockertoustesizem1234

Жыл бұрын

the good old days

Its funny how the griefers live to really upset people then when they get banned they start crying and getting butthurt

@ChisSorinYT

4 ай бұрын

L

@MonkeyMod

3 ай бұрын

Frrrr

@blazingender4400

3 ай бұрын

Yeee

@jeremydale4548

3 ай бұрын

Serves those assholes right

@Staringstar5

3 ай бұрын

Lmao

Support staff likely don't even have the full story behind the ban so shouldn't be read into very deeply. These accounts are clearly harassing people and frankly should have been banned the moment they targeted individual accounts. It's hard to even argue griefing itself isn't harassment but targeting individuals clearly is.

@kodeytheneko

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, I don't think you *should* be able to be banned from all third party servers. it's a third party server, moderation should be up to them.

@rush9800

Жыл бұрын

That’s a shitty response if your griefing people your not constantly playing on the same same server the only way to get punished is my mc

@wandereringshadow8658

Жыл бұрын

Moderation should be left up to servers, but I do agree that if someone is attacking the 'Greater Minecraft Community' as a whole, then upper moderation should take over.

@Moe_Posting_Chad

Жыл бұрын

@@wandereringshadow8658 Attacking what? Public servers? By doing what? Entering the game and digging a hole? Stop being unreasonable. This is the modern age, and if you're unwilling to be tech literate. You're going to get robbed and cheated by others. Minecraft is a perfectly safe place to learn this lesson, because its learned in play. Its the most natural way for humans to learn survival lessons. Like... Locking your front door.

@KevinLGlory

Жыл бұрын

@@wandereringshadow8658 Oh, how about this, as a member of the "Greater Minecraft Community", I can say I've acknowledged that this is only a game and believe banning people from the entire game for destroying blocks is silly. What's the value of building something great if it's going to last forever and can't be destroyed anyways, already proves the only opinion you care about is your own.

I think mojang mentioning “using hack clients to harm other players” is an interesting slip up. The word harm could imply “bullying or harassment”, but it awkward that it’s not directly punishable in the rules

@sefisab

Жыл бұрын

Griefing does not harm Dont cry over minecraft and get backups

@forwenein2669

Жыл бұрын

@@sefisab says the guy who's crying over getting banned in minecraft, lmao

@kniazjarema8587

Жыл бұрын

@@forwenein2669 But they don't even let you play single player, so what is this?

@katkit6817

Жыл бұрын

​@@sefisab It may not litereally physically harm, but it does inlfict mental stress on the victims. My friend groups treasure our server very much. I also think its silly to victim blame and say they should have a backup. There were a lot of niche naive communities hosting these servers, like churches, families, and friends. They're the last ones expecting to have their private games destroyed by strangers. This shouldn't have to be a problem the average Joe worries about. Also if griefing didn't harm there would probably be no reason to grief. There's gratification in destroying what others have worked so hard to create. If there was no sense of permanency I'm sure there would be less motives and griefers overall.

@eliescobis9922

Жыл бұрын

@@sefisab says the guy who is crying because they banned him in a block game XDXDXD pathetic

Fun fact: when he showed time at 3:59 The 4166 days ban count is a reference to the time since Minecraft's release. At the time of the ban, Minecraft released 4166 days earlier.

@Garviel_Loken.

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate Mojang sense of humour 😂

@Mikustan39

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ it’s been over that long already. Thanks for making me realize that.

@GrahamboPC

Жыл бұрын

let’s see Minecraft in that time

@bldshrerwok7121

Жыл бұрын

​@@Garviel_Loken. It seems to me that there are two jokes here: the griefer will have to wait 12 years, and also this griefer can come out after Minecraft turns 24 years old.

@hades1890

Жыл бұрын

@@bldshrerwok7121 Do you honestly think they don't have more than one account?

This exact situation is happening on bedrock and MOJANG is hardly acknowledged it. There are discord bots that can take down entire realms

@orangecampfire

Жыл бұрын

How is that happening if realms are invite only?

@redcap5343

10 ай бұрын

@@orangecampfirethey aren’t. There is a thing called a realm code which is basically a server ip. And the bots look for realm codes posted anywhere on the internet.

This is the epitome of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Rest in peace every 2b2t player 🪦

@excalibur493

Жыл бұрын

>burns a naturally generated mansion >banned h u h

@midleno8364

Жыл бұрын

finally they get to wipe that scum off the earth

@Thegamecheats

Жыл бұрын

Griefing on 2B2T is a lot different than scanning every IP address to stalk and harass individuals.

@warmike

Жыл бұрын

imagine 2b2t becoming a pirate server

@Sensoooo

Жыл бұрын

@@clexo2155 can't wait to play 1piece1treasure

Honestly it would have been more funny to make a Herobrine bot based off of Baritone. It watches streamers from a distance until the streamer begins approaching at which point it then runs. If the player gets too close it logs. That would have been some good trolling.

@Preinstallable

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@Praecantetia

Жыл бұрын

We can still do that

@Teh_Random_Canadian

Жыл бұрын

That would have been funny and non destructive trolling. What they did is essentially hack to find these servers that were vulnerable and destroy them... really got nothing better to do?

@Gaster601

Жыл бұрын

Now imagine a group of like 20 baritone accounts doing that :D

@supermasterfighter

Жыл бұрын

@@Teh_Random_Canadian It's not even hacking, they literally just used some skid port scanner and scanned random ip addresses in a certain port range, hardly "ground breaking technology", you can even make a bash script of it easily with very little experience (though you may need a beefier cpu to do it effectively that way)

Now here's the thing: I agree that this has already passed the line of harassment and bullying. They LITERALLY searched for and targeted players on servers based on their usernames, if that isn't deliberate harassment, I wouldn't even be able to define the word to you. However, if this problem extends to things like anarchy servers, servers which explicitly allow griefing, or harmless pranks like filling a base with chickens, then there is a huge problem. Mojang needs to allow servers to moderate their own communities for some of these subjects

@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox

10 ай бұрын

Sometimes a grief is justified if the world is full of hate symbols and imagery, but otherwise its just unnecassary and only done to cause grief to innocent people. And the fact people put their coding knowledge into writing scripts meant to grief some poor kid's Minecraft world? Get a goddamn life and stop making literal children cry if ya do that.

@samsonsoturian6013

10 ай бұрын

The griefers I dealt with were always bored teenaged buffoons. Personally I say we just nerf/remove TNT to make griefing not fun.

@GameJam230

10 ай бұрын

@@samsonsoturian6013 or, how about instead of asking Mojang to remove decently major features of the game because a handful of people have had bad experiences with them, you just use your big boy decision making powers to only play on servers that disable TNT damage and other common griefing methods..? Nah, you're right. Surely we should give Microsoft even MORE control over what we are and aren't allowed to do on privately owned and run servers for a literal sandbox game.

@samsonsoturian6013

10 ай бұрын

@@GameJam230 You act like you're personally threatened by nerfing griefing materials

@GameJam230

10 ай бұрын

@@samsonsoturian6013 No, but TNT is extremely useful for technical players for many automatic farms, and I'm an extremely technical player who loves testing the limits of the game's mechanics. I don't want MY experience with the game to be ruined because you don't have the ability to choose to play on servers with anti-griefing tools

My opinion on this is similar to my opinion on the reporting feature. Server owners and moderators should have the final say on what is and isn't allowed on their servers. Anarchy servers should be allowed to exist. The 5th Collum members 100% earned their ban. They went too far.

What TeamAvolition was doing 10-12 years ago was trolling and griefing in it's purest form; going to popular minecraft servers, oftentimes hosted by subreddits, forums & big internet communities and wrecking enough havoc to be noticed. That, i'd consider punching up Scanning the world wide web for vulnerable, amateur hosted minecraft servers for the sole purpose of effortlessly griefing, using as many hacked clients & nuke mods to ease the job, without any soul behind it is just punching down at the most innocent of people. It's outright deplorable, and i believe they deserve their twelve year ban

@kapsaysin

Жыл бұрын

Same. They absolutely deserve the ban and I don't feel bad at all.

@millionsmustdie

Жыл бұрын

Or just yk put a password on the server…..

@aadarshroy3216

Жыл бұрын

@@millionsmustdie Imagine having to tell 20 people in your friends group what the server password is for every time they want to log on to play

@consumerofbepsi5254

Жыл бұрын

​@@millionsmustdie if you forget to lock your door does that give me free reign to go in your house and break everything?

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

​@@millionsmustdie yes. Let us blame rhe server owners instead of the people doing it. That's like defending burglars by saying that homeowners should have bought better locks

Griefing on a server you play on is one thing. Going out of your way to find servers to destroy is another. Griefing is not harassment, but what those users did was.

@GameMaker3_5

Жыл бұрын

I think I agree with that, many of the people in these comments come across as saying "They deserve EVERYTHING that happened to them because they didn't set their servers to whitelist, make world save states, or hire moderators. They were ASKING for this to happen!!!!" Some people might just want to welcome new people who they've never met before, or just don't have anyone else to play with... But, to be fair, Mojang DID take a really heavy handed approach to their handling of these griefers, even banning people who weren't directly involved because their name appeared in a CHATLOG of a video made long ago that one of the griefers had on their KZread channel. They're setting up a very slippery slope that can open the door to more egregious abuses of power in the near future... Hey, the griefers weren't the saints they claim to be, but neither is Mojang to an extent.

@William_E

Жыл бұрын

​@@GameMaker3_5 I've walked many broken worlds. The sadness is aweful. Never wish ruin on another, no mater how much your dissatisfied.

@Jane-qh2yd

Жыл бұрын

A non whitelisted server is basically a public one. That's like getting banned from hacking on Hypixel. It's stupid.

@samsonsoturian6013

Жыл бұрын

No, it's just game breaking buffoonery.

@Piipperi800

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I think these bans are 100% justified when you’re targetting certain players across servers, and destroying random servers where 1. griefing is not allowed and 2. you aren’t really invited to in the first place. I’ve ran small servers and I have enabled whitelisting on all of them just because of this. But let me tell you, when the server owner (me) is from Europe and new players join often trying to join from the US when I’m sleeping, it’s not easy to manage. Or just generally when I or some other mods are not at the computer to whitelist a new player at that time. Everyone just doesn’t have the time or knowledge to manage whitelists.

My initial reaction was "Hell no let servers handle that internally" but given that there's a real person at the helm doing this, I think it's okay for exceptions to be made in extreme cases like what the 5th column was doing. As a compromise maybe Mojang could instead add a server property that's on by default that prevents flagged accounts from joining servers, that would protect random kids and servers with explicit anti-griefing and hacking rules but still allow these guys to play on servers like 2bt2, the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft' -and just their friends servers or something.

@Infiny92

9 ай бұрын

If they want to play on anarchy servers, too bad for them, they’ll have to buy another account.

@HobNob-tr1nm

8 ай бұрын

they should just make whitelist on by default in all servers

@itap8880

4 ай бұрын

Problem is, we're talking private, mainly "non-premium" servers. If a "non-premium" server has a whitelist, all the griefers need to get in is change nickname. Literally the only thing protecting those servers from being destroyed is the non-disclosure of server IP. Therefore, banning them from the game is not about protecting random servers. It's about punishing those who break the unwritten laws just because it's not explicitly stated illegal.

I think mojang didn't mean that using "hacked clients" are the problem. The problem is that they are using the hacked clients to grief which makes the griefing more efficient and destructive. In my opinion there is of course no problem with griefing on 2b2t. But using the knowledge and experience they have, to destroy minecraft servers of streamers just to get attention or ruining a stream, is just trash. Even if they don't use hateful speech in any way, destroying the game for others is even worse.

@gstupaluss7941

3 ай бұрын

I 100% agree!

In my opinion, it's just to slippery of a slope to go down... I get they did something wrong, but the way they were banned was not fitting. Can people be banned for tweeting something bad, or saying something bad in a stream on in Discord? It's just not a good idea.

@melon_water

Жыл бұрын

Yea

@orsondmc

Жыл бұрын

We agree

@rippoking8297

Жыл бұрын

Here before your comment blows up

@luckyy5845

Жыл бұрын

Betting this comment getting at least 200 likes

@pixeldubsofficial

Жыл бұрын

On an SMP I play on, it's semi anarchy, there is rules and stuff and rep system with market, but greifing is allowed out of spawn, but now you can't even play the game your way if greifing is allowed on a server.

Basic griefing should be a more server by server case by the people that run the servers. But when it comes to literally setting up a database to target specific people like that, then it definitely crosses the line hard with how they literally could have been tampering with the livelihood of the streamers and content creators. And the retroactive bans are a bit sketchy, especially for those that probably were not even part of the group anymore when the going too far happened.

@gamesgamesgamesgay4847

Жыл бұрын

I wonder to what degree they are opening themselves up to civil suit, given they are impacting the livelihood of streamers. I doubt we'd ever see that actually happen, but I am curious from a hypothetical perspective.

@kojitakamura2522

Жыл бұрын

At the same time, it's the streamer or server operator's fault for not doing proper backups of their worlds at the minimum. at the same time, mojang has never gone much further than whitelisting for server protections.

@queuedjar4578

Жыл бұрын

What if someone's playing a server where griefing is an intended mechanic, such as a towny or factions server with base raiding as a feature? Now people are going to be banned for playing a server in its expected way?

@JesusChrist42000

Жыл бұрын

@@queuedjar4578 is that what happened?

@JesusChrist42000

Жыл бұрын

@@kojitakamura2522 yes blame the victims they should have known it was possible to join the server without the IP of said server. They should have expected that a group would create a database and grief the world

Malicious griefers clutching their pearls over consequences is just too precious for words.

12 years bans are permanent bans, it's likely the timer will increase once it hit 12 years. Rockstar used to give this and it's usually extended once it's close to the date.

I think it's safe to say that we all knew this would happen the moment Mojang accounced that Microsoft accounts would be mandatory in Java Edition.

@ptitjo2920

Жыл бұрын

People were warned

@timbo303official9

Жыл бұрын

@Ptitjo like we had any option wish we could sue. You practically either lose access to a purchase or be forced to play a worst product.

@highway_roadkill

Жыл бұрын

@@timbo303official9 how has the product worsened with the migration to Microsoft accounts? literally nothing has changed, Mojang can just better enforce their TOS that's been here the whole time.

@v.rokumonsen9338

Жыл бұрын

Let minecraft neighbourhoods be, no step on snake

@tylerapplecyder

Жыл бұрын

@@highway_roadkill +420 Minecoins

That's up to the server owners, not mojang

@requiem165

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@darkonyx6995

Жыл бұрын

Bet you feel dumb after watching the video.

@Vaul.

Жыл бұрын

@@darkonyx6995 they don’t need to *feel* dumb

@10_points

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@zyrofumi6040

Жыл бұрын

fax my brother

The other terrifying aspect of this is that you aren't safe from chat reporting by playing on older versions.

@daggieYT

11 ай бұрын

thats the point of it

@Infiny92

9 ай бұрын

How are you not safe by playing on versions before the implementation of said system ?

@korumann

9 ай бұрын

they appear to be banning players from out of game reports, so even if you don't play on versions with reporting they can still ban you.

They 100% deserve it. There's a difference between what they were doing and normal griefing.

@ayuballena8217

Жыл бұрын

@@cacca500 how would they?

@DomingesBeats

Жыл бұрын

@@ayuballena8217 w h i t e l i s t

@ayuballena8217

Жыл бұрын

@@DomingesBeats oh right

@BabyKnxckz

11 ай бұрын

sadly there is no way to very easely prevent someone you dont want on your server from joining and griefing you

@vietnamsemonky4082

10 ай бұрын

@@DomingesBeats You can say that but these guys targeted small random servers, they were most likely set up by kids or teenagers who didn't even know about how to whitelist. Their is fault in that, but these guys coded out a bot to search for these servers, that is insanely autistic.

I think by hacked client Mojang might be referencing their bit that scans servers since that has the express intent of being malicious and finding servers for them to attack.

@venomousfrog5546

Жыл бұрын

That's probably what the ppl who wrote that were thinking of, yes. The only issue is that it could set s dangerous precedent.

@mobgabriel1767

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't change the problem of them using vídeo evidence to decide who lives and who gets banned,How do they know about the Discord bot if not vídeo evidence

@VelaiciaCreator

Жыл бұрын

@@venomousfrog5546 A dangerous precedent of people finally having real consequences to being horrible to other people?

@venomousfrog5546

Жыл бұрын

@Jessica Zhi no, of using video footage as evidence. There's a theoretical risk of fake footage being used to get someone banned. This seemed an unusual case so it's very unlikely, though.

@VelaiciaCreator

Жыл бұрын

@@venomousfrog5546 If you believe footage is the only dirt one can dig up on serial griefers known for such, especially when everything runs through their databases... Then you're not thinking hard enough.

For me, there is a difference between when they entered a random server and sowed chaos there, and when they targeted specific people by their name to prevent them from e.g. running a stream. The first case will only be a manifestation of chaos, but the second one is definitely subject to bullying, because it is aimed at a specific person.

@Thegamecheats

Жыл бұрын

Hard agree, they literally were scanning every IP address to target specific people. That is probably borderline illegal. Still, I think Microsoft should just enable whitelist by default and perhaps have some built in world backup options that auto-save backups of a world instead of trying to fix this by banning people. The type of complete nerd degenerates they are banning too are just the type of people who know where to buy 1000 hacked alts for like $5 anyways so banning isn't really a solution. I don't agree with this weird obsession with targeting streamers these people have, but I think instead of just banning them Microsoft should find a way to prevent these attacks from even being possible. If anything, they should be using their resources to target P2W servers. That would actually be respectable and less "clout chasing"

@frenix9882

Жыл бұрын

For me its not, for me the line is drawn between anarchy seevers and privste ones, fishing for private ips is just non targeting bullying

@umadbroimatroll7918

Жыл бұрын

@@frenix9882 just use a whitelist, they are just scraping PUBLIC INFO, it's the same as googling your name and having a surprised pikachu face when you see it links to your facebook and other social media and probably your home address. You cant call your server private if it has no whitelist, that's like calling your home safe when it has a sign that says "free housing" and you dont have a front door at all, of course crazies will show up.

@Thegamecheats

Жыл бұрын

@@umadbroimatroll7918 I still think legally speaking, scanning every octet of IP address space to target individuals probably falls under some sort of stalking or harassment law. Yes- they should have a whitelist, but this obsessive behavior definitely shows the people who do this kind of stuff aren't well adjusted.

@frenix9882

Жыл бұрын

@@umadbroimatroll7918 bruh people opening servers for them and their 2 friends dont think to deep into it cause you dont expect some1 to be so bored and evil to just go around trying to make your day miserable, or dont even know thats a possibility. I actually went and saw one of their vids to see what they were actually doing. And its hard to watch and van worthy, plain evil

Some of my best Minecraft memories are from the 2011-2014, with survival and faction servers. Me and my friends built our bases, some players griefed them. Then it was our turn to gather TNT, lava buckets and lighters to grief other people’s bases. As much as i like singleplayer creative mode for relax, those times used to be funny as hell. To me griefing is as much a part of multiplayer as it is building and surviving. The three components of an awesome minecraft multiplayer server.

i think that the slippery slope fallacy isn't needed much here. I think it was pretty clear that these people deserved their bans, they were openly themselves in the video and even talked about it on their socials. There was plenty more proof it was them other than "just a video".

@KasaiYuppa

11 ай бұрын

it was a pr flub if anything because it wasnt airtight to worrysome readings, this feels like just a special case for intense organized griefing.

This whole issue could have been solved if the servers needed white listing or if mojang added a join request feature.

@APerson-14

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@fade5364

Жыл бұрын

Or mabye by not griefing

@whodis5387

Жыл бұрын

​@FADE, we don't live in a fairy tale people are going to grief no matter what. The best way to slove this problem is to do what Patrick Donovan said.

@patrickdonovan7843

Жыл бұрын

@@fade5364 griefing has been around since multiplayer began

@twqzjsidIsndusiakdixisqjeksixi

Жыл бұрын

​​@@patrickdonovan7843 yeah, griefing is a part of minecraft, but it should be only allowed when played in real anarchy servers. A random person invading your server to kill you and grief your work is not fair nor desirable. This is minecraft, not Elden Ring.

I believe this should call for a revision of the EULA and banning conditions, to specifically target these kinds of griefing instead of putting every form of griefing in the same basket

@testgamer571

Жыл бұрын

grow up and learn to protect your server yourself instead of punishing everyone for having fun in their own way

@TheRian125

Жыл бұрын

@@testgamer571 grow up and a block game doesn't quite fit together

@paxlux5288

Жыл бұрын

@@testgamer571 Simply don't use a hacked client to destroy random peoples' servers like the guy who got banned did.

@the-digital-idiot

Жыл бұрын

@@testgamer571 I broke into your house and robed you, you don’t like that? Grow up, buy a gun and defend your self! No need for the police to get involved! Im sorry, but this type of behavior, going on to random servers without permission, need to be illegal, this isn’t “geiefing ”, it’s destruction of property.

@testgamer571

Жыл бұрын

@@the-digital-idiot its not destruction of property if it’s a virtual game. Backups exist, whitelists exist, ip bans exist. This is all an excuse for Microsoft to appeal to a larger audience for more money, and you’re one of the people falling for their “good faith” argument

You have to admit though that it is a bit amusing how Mojang essentially griefed the griefers by taking away something of theirs.

@thecrunch489

6 ай бұрын

big woop, they can just get a new account and continue

@onimurakiwami

6 ай бұрын

​@@thecrunch489mojang smacked the ban hammer and they will do it again lol.

@GiveMeThatCat

2 ай бұрын

They should ip ban them so they are forced to put money into vpn or risk their data being stolen when they make new accounts for griefing.

I hold the same opinion now as when they started this: Policing Realms is fine as they host the servers but leave the private servers alone and just provide the tools. If someone wants sone anarchy server with a radioactive chat then if they're paying for it then they should decide who stays and goes

My opinions aligns with yours. Fifth column went too far with the griefing. It is harassment and Mojang should've just left it at that. Perhaps different employees carried out the bans and that's why the reason is inconsistent but who knows. Moral of the story, the anarchy needs to be contained otherwise Mojang will do something about it.

@blinking_dodo

Жыл бұрын

They should have been more careful and precise with those bans in the first place. Verify the claims and properly set a ban policy. Then they could ban with a consistent reason and appropriate ban duration. Especially since this is the first ban they would be doing for these reasons.

@nnoir

Жыл бұрын

@@blinking_dodo I agree

@katmeka

Жыл бұрын

fr griefing is literally so crazy to me like why do you have to join servers and groups specifically to cause harm to ppl and harass them? get a life

@DanielPereira-ey9nt

Жыл бұрын

They have to do something about it to protect their image, some of the player base may not be happy but parents see actions like these as a sign that the game is safe for their children

@ozan7427

Жыл бұрын

Its the fun of the game ffs. People like u guys literally make the games childish if someone wants to grief or build let them servers have ADMINS AND RULES AND WHITELIST. A company cant ban u on things like this even though u paid money dont be idiots.

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@RedstoneMiner18

Жыл бұрын

5jqnkw

@RedstoneMiner18

Жыл бұрын

I mean thanks

@glaudemberglucio2900

Жыл бұрын

tomfollerino

@Plofferfish

Жыл бұрын

Hello

@lil.ae86

Жыл бұрын

Okk

When they made Copenhimer they didn't think they'd be the one coping

Bout time they did this! I was worried about my friend's server considering that these groups had found ways to get onto pretty much any server.

They overly crossed lines, and depeveloping bots and systems to execute a planned and rapid campaign of dozens of strikes inside of one week is very much a whole new level. Especially high profile strikes

@megastorm75fbds56

Жыл бұрын

agreed, griefing someone who plays in a server that you also play is "ok" i'd say, now, developing bots and shit to raid people's "private" servers is not ok imo

@richardpike8748

Жыл бұрын

@@megastorm75fbds56 5c: scans, logs, and attacks minecraft servers 5c: gets banned by Mojang Also 5c: surprised pikachu face Edit: Mojang, not MS

@julioce0389

Жыл бұрын

Do this dont have anything to than just griefing the shit out of people?, like DEVELOPING A BOT, i dont even know what to say about it jeez

@megastorm75fbds56

Жыл бұрын

@@richardpike8748 yep, pretty much 🤣

@AceFaz

Жыл бұрын

​@@richardpike8748 Mojang: Advertises a Sand Box game, where you can do whatever you want. 5c: Pays for the game and plays it without breaking any rules. Mojang: Prevents them from playing and lies about the reason.

Man I sure do love it when companies make terrible decisions

@RedstoneMiner18

Жыл бұрын

Yup, a classic

@memekip555

Жыл бұрын

fr

@chickenfart4728

Жыл бұрын

just dont greif xD

@RedstoneMiner18

Жыл бұрын

A MACINTOSH CLASSIC I got a macintosh classic for free, it still has to ship and I gotta test but it it was freeee

@N0RZC

Жыл бұрын

A norm within Cancel Culture... classic L

Oh no, griefers discover that actions have consequences.

@Axodus

Жыл бұрын

“No one can tell you what you can and cannot do” - Mojang 2011 Your point is illogical, the server should've had a whitelist enabled, or a grief protection plugin, or backups. It's not up to microsoft what you can do with your account. The company doesn't have your best interests at heart, they only care about money, this is is an illogical path to take, it should be up to the individual user to avoid what they can't take online. An off button exists for a reason.

@elmetalspirit

Жыл бұрын

@@Axodus This statement is over 12 years old, where the game was in a very different state so it's not relevant anymore. Microsoft actions will be overboard if the ban reasons were different. But here we talk about a group, using cheats to track and destroy creations on servers that don't want to have any outside interventions. You can make up whatever excuses you want, the group in question has ill intents. And yes, a lot of people don't know how to secure their server, it is only justice and logical to punish players having as a hobby to go from server to server to destroy everything. You play with fire, you deal with the consequences. Keep the cheats or behaviour like this for anarchy servers.

@Axodus

Жыл бұрын

​@@elmetalspirit "This statement is over 12 years old" you did simple math, nice. Except that's completely irrelevant, the statement still turned out to be a complete lie. (not relevant but) What if people bought the game because of that statement, screw them I guess, right? "Microsoft actions will be overboard if the ban reasons were different" wrong. There's no valid reason to steal back a valid users game copy after selling it to them. A refund should be issued, otherwise, it's theft. Mojang literally just came in here and told these people "you're playing the game wrong" for IP scanning for public servers, it's not like they used an exploit to join whitelisted servers, the servers were PUBLIC. Banning these legit user's accounts is a form of legal theft, that doesn't make it any less immoral though, everyone knows stealing is wrong, banning the accounts is much, much more evil than the evil these griefers "playing the game wrong" ever could have mustered. This is equivalent to VAC banning someone's steam account because they griefed someone's base on Garry's Mod. Microsoft is overstepping by disallowing multiplayer use entirely, these are legit accounts, the servers affected aren't Mojang's servers, they shouldn't have any say at all about anything in this situation, on a moral or even logical level. Account and server security is your responsibility alone, this is a huge overstep by microsoft.

@aadarshroy3216

Жыл бұрын

@@Axodus "roblox, IT'S FREE" years later: "Robux is a premium currency" look at that now, huh? is it surprising to you old quotes aren't relevant anymore? except maybe "there are 2 infinite things" by einstein, because your comments are the prime example of human stupidity.

@zxibs3645

Жыл бұрын

L for griefers

Griefing is fine but going out of your way making a whole system to find people try to grief them is out of line.

@mwperk02

Жыл бұрын

So which accent is Ms. Fox using today Mr. Cooper?

@revampedharpy09

Жыл бұрын

oh absolutely, these guys 100% deserved the ban. the problem is all the other details. the constantly changing reason (one of which isnt actually a reason you can be banned according to mojang themselves) for the ban, the method of gathering evidence that is incredibly easy to fake. it sets a very dangerous precedent. if someone creates fake video of you griefing, mojang may well ban you based off of that. thats the message this situation sends. whether they actually would? its hard to say, but this situation raises that problem, and thats a pretty serious issue. because you can be banned, retroactively, for something you may not have even done, based on evidence thats fragile at best. this ban was deserved. but it sets a precedent that could lead to further bans that are not.

@housevo330

10 ай бұрын

@@revampedharpy09 They didn't deserve the ban.

@TON-dr5fz

9 ай бұрын

finally someone who knows logic

I think the hacked client they are referring to was using code to find and harass users. Yea it was worded badly, but mods and other hack clients aren’t going anywhere. The group completely deserved what happened.

@justsomerandomguywithoutab5896

Жыл бұрын

The problem with wording it badly is that it can be used as a legal loophole for Mojang and Microsoft to ban users they don't like in general, even if they didn't do griefing (like popular streamers criticizing minecraft in the open on youtube/Twitter and also having an account, using a modded client but only a few times or for testing purposes). Not only that, it is basically like Discord's TOS, which itself is so vague, it's being exploited by Discord corp. themselves. There's a reason that lawyers and other legal professionals always write stuff specifically, so there is almost no loopholes for all parties, either in one side's benefit or both. If a lawyer saw this video and was representing Microsoft and Mojang against angry players, he/she would roast Mojang/Microsoft for writing something so bad, that the opposing lawyers would be able to bring it to court about power abuse. Whoever replied to the griefers is an idiot, because they were representing Microsoft and Mojang, publicly and legally for this mess.

@DessertArbiter

Жыл бұрын

@@justsomerandomguywithoutab5896 pretty much every EULA for any service with online accounts has a clause saying they "reserve the right to terminate your account for any reason"

@Garviel_Loken.

Жыл бұрын

Abso-nucking-lutely

@Garviel_Loken.

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@justsomerandomguywithoutab5896 what players can Mojang not like that Mojang would ban them without evidences? Russians? Counter strike players? Biden followers? 😂

@killet2b

Жыл бұрын

Something that wasn't touched on much is that a lot of us were banned for joining the servers. Not griefing, not hacking. Considering how many accounts were banned, and how little evidence there was.... There has to be some false bans that slipped in... Lots of people were banned by mere association. So now you can be banned for joining a server with someone? Seems legit.

imagine being banned by Mojang for something that can be faked 💀

@FrederickTheAnon14W

Жыл бұрын

That's one of the big issues about this (forgoing the whole idea itself) is that this can be MASSIVELY faked and cherry-picked to be abused for personal gain.

@maksitaxi

Жыл бұрын

so true imagine having that happen to you! it must suck! 😂😂😂😂

@10_points

Жыл бұрын

And soon AI could be used to fake voices too. The fall of minecraft, has now begun

@darkonyx6995

Жыл бұрын

Yuh! That's the true reason to be upset, and not what many people misinterpreted in the comments. The 5th Collumn DESERVED to be banned, but the two players who left the group before the grieffing didn't.

@mr.couchpotato

Жыл бұрын

pvpers will love this

I feel like the ban reason being different is just due to the client checking the auth servers and being given a ban reason number/identifier instead of a plain text reason. So it could just be that its the same reason, but it just renders differently depending on the version you're on

it would be so easy to fake any photo/video because there is a pluggin that lets you disguise as any player with just a command, just type /d Notch and all the sudden, you appear as Notch to yourself and everyone else on the server

Boi do I love when companies contradict themselves

@10_points

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@mrneko2506

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes banning the cheater is bad decision

@soulplexis

Жыл бұрын

"The moving contradiction"

@ChickenJoe-tq6xd

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t matter, it only takes one bootlicker who supports them for them to go through with it, it seemed like 95% of people were against the chat reporting but they still implemented it since 5% didn’t realize how bad of a precedent it is to let huge corps control speech

@deleteduser8652

Жыл бұрын

​@@mrneko2506 do you know how power tripping starts? It starts with small bans. And then they start to act like a god Welp we always can use offline mode.

It's too scary to play public multiplayer after they added report option

@almicc

Жыл бұрын

scary part is that it doesn't even matter anymore if you do, you can be playing alone on your 1.12 version server and Mojang clearly reserves the right to ban you for anything provided they can stretch the terms of service far enough. accounts that haven't even been logged into in the last 5 years could possibly receive permanent global bans for a video they showed up in that was uploaded to KZread long before these policies existed.

@user-uo8ny1kj4c

Жыл бұрын

@@almicc thank god I don't play any versions of minecraft before 2015

@igameidoresearchtoo6511

Жыл бұрын

@@almicc Thank god I have no only to actually play with on multiplayer (meaning I really never play it) so this isn't a huge issue for me. But I still absolutely do NOT support mojang outright proving we never owned the game, because you can just steal your ownership right from you, like a car dealer who sells you a car then the next morning you don't find it where to parked it because you drifted with said car and the dealer didn't allow that..stupid as hell. mojang must be harshly asked to reverse their report policies or else minecraft WILL die and it will be very very soon especially considering the last real update for minecraft before 1.18 and 1.16 was 1.7 and 1.20 looks like it will be as small as a 3 mb mod I found on curseforge that was developed by a single dev far faster than mojang ever could.

@bokoblinlogic1619

Жыл бұрын

i havent even launched 1.19

@igameidoresearchtoo6511

Жыл бұрын

@@bokoblinlogic1619 same bro same

4:06 30 days: I don't exist do I?

Griefers are those same exact kids you take out to some cool abandoned building and they immediately start breaking windows and just trashing the place

That’s insane. Greifing is frowned upon, but this system seems so flawed and unnecessary.

@zikriflanery7030

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's so unnecessary because the game already has features like turning off fire burning, tnt explosion, players ability to destroy block, etc Servers that don't want any griefers would use those features anyway.

@Im_Domin_

Жыл бұрын

tbh thats not a system more of a case of mojang noticing a group of people doing something against the eula and having concrete evidence to ban them and banning them

@guillermoelnino

Жыл бұрын

cruelty is the point.

@cliniclown8786

Жыл бұрын

They didn't just ban regular griefers, they banned actual organized griefer groups with no life or hobbies

@zeebaka

Жыл бұрын

​@@Im_Domin_ Then why was the ban reason inconsistent, and people who weren't involved banned as well?

Honestly, they should have seen this coming. Griefing in smaller servers with server owners with less experience on operating a server is just harassment. Claiming that they should "expect this to happen" and they should be prepared. Is still not a good excuse for literally destroying of hours of work that was put into the server, THAT IS INFACT PRIVATE AND NOT PUBLIC. Because they did this for their own amusement. They are not victims. But the banned reasons are a concern though. Note: I don't care if you grief in public servers or private servers that your were invited in that allows it. As I done my fair share of griefing myself in one server, that allows it. But you don't see me out there explicitly target venerable servers just to grief for my amusement.

@polaroid8349

Жыл бұрын

its literally public if it doesnt use a whitelist and if you host a server that doesnt regularly back up then its you're own fault if your world corrupts, gets griefed, someone uses a duplication glitch etc.

@Delayrix

Жыл бұрын

its server's fault, you have the tools to prevent that, every server is public if its not whitelisted

@AppleGaming4Real

Жыл бұрын

@@polaroid8349no it’s not the servers fault. It’s people being assholes

@LL-ro3ue

Жыл бұрын

@@Delayrixur slow in the head shut up

@lostnumbr

Жыл бұрын

@@Delayrix so if your door isn't locked it's okay for someone to just walk in and smash your stuff?

We talk about "hacked" clients. We really should call them "malicious" clients. As some "hacked" clients aren't bad

Griefing a specific server is one thing, but they were attacking the Minecraft community as a whole with malicious intent. I can’t blame Microsoft at all for banning people who were essentially harassing their users and damaging their reputation.

-sigh- Fit, there's a whole other part of this, the simple fact of the matter is that they probably can't even join their own servers. That's a whole other animal to all of this. Mojang and Microsoft should not be capable of instituting a total ban across the board for any account, otherwise they are committing a willful breach of contract on both the client and server software.

@technoturnovers7072

Жыл бұрын

it's not a contract, it's a license agreement

@almicc

Жыл бұрын

@@technoturnovers7072 that's even less powerful in court than a contract, i hope someone tries to sue Mojang for their policies because I'm sure they could win against them

@NowBringIt

Жыл бұрын

@@almicc They have deep pockets.

@malice926

Жыл бұрын

@@technoturnovers7072 Contract: 1. An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. 2. The writing or document containing such an agreement. By definition it's a contract.

@Aura_Mancer

Жыл бұрын

@@malice926 The EULA is not enforceable by law? You and the business giving you the EULA have to follow the laws that exists. Outside of that? The company could take access from you if they wanted. You could sue them for scamming you, but I don't think a judge would rule that, in this case, the 5c members are in the right.

I think this is where Mojang needs to make an exception to the rule. These guys have clearly been a problem outside of their ballfield, and I think it should reasonable for Mojang to say, “hey, this specific group has been an ongoing problem, so we are going to take SPECIFIC action on these individual accounts

@idrk7509

Жыл бұрын

exceptions are bs, same rules apply to everyone

@robert-janthuis9927

Жыл бұрын

Obviously when the rules were made no one thought "Oh, we need to be prepared in case someone makes a program that systematically scours the entire bloody internet for MC server IP addresses of servers that don't have a whitelist to then subsequently go ahead and deliberately join those servers to grief them." This is Mojang going, shit, this is maybe technically not forbidden by the EULA but this is definitely something we need to take a stand against because this is VERY bad. My guess is that we'll see an update to the EULA at some point in the not too distant future where this sort of thing will be banned.

@WideMouth

Жыл бұрын

@@idrk7509 Exceptions make the rule. The rules being used for general cases don’t always work to fix exceptional cases, so exceptional rulings are needed.

@OkagaCalifornia

Жыл бұрын

@@idrk7509brother, they are using a system that makes it easy to grief and ruin other people’s servers. Is Mojang to blame because of how weak the security is? Sure, there’s an argument for that, but these griefers use such unfair advantages that I nor anyone else should bat an eye if they make an exception for them.

@Delayrix

Жыл бұрын

these guys do not deserve their ban, hacking and griefing should be allowed in minecraft, its your fault if you haven't whitelisted your server

Tbh its about time they started doing something about these toxic people that want to ruin the game for everyone else

I ran a small server for my Twitch community, and one of the iterations of it got backdoored and griefed to complete unusability. I'm very curious if it was this group. The people who had done it had uploaded a video of themselves doing it, and after watching this video I went to check to see if it was still up and it looks like it got deleted. I always wondered how my server got targeted and the systematic cataloging of unwhitelisted servers is the only thing that makes sense, considering the act came out of nowhere and seemed completely random!

@fituuu

Жыл бұрын

but is it that hard to install coreprotect or just enable your server whitelist? I've had players join my servers randomly but they can't do anything because I just put every new player on adventure mode lol

They probably should’ve expected that mojang would catch on to them eventually. The accounts that were wrongly banned should get a proper investigation before being rectified. They messed up going after streamers.

The message at 3:47 just hits really hard. While we can all disagree with the actions of many of these griefers and other ones banned, we need clear standards of what is an actual crime and what isn't, because if they can ban them for subjective standards there are no reasons to assume they can't ban us.

@flintstone1409

Жыл бұрын

But its Microsoft, they do whatever they want and treat customers like shit. Nothing new there.

@Seeker118

Жыл бұрын

@@flintstone1409 there was a time when they cared

@theendofthestart8179

Жыл бұрын

If mojang set specific boundaries for what is and isn’t ok, finding loopholes, workarounds, or maybe just toeing the line would be far too easy, this is seen in EVERY VIDEO GAME EVER MADE

@flydrop8822

Жыл бұрын

@@theendofthestart8179 are you seriously argumenting that having set boundaries is bad because it would make cheating around said boundaries too easy? Sorry, but if thats the case, thats one of the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

@Reg_The_Galah

Жыл бұрын

I’d definitely get banned because I used to use a hacked client back in the day. Never griefed or acted demickey, it was a useful tool to traverse 2b2t and made building mega projects easier.

I wasn't even aware that account bans (not server bans) were a thing in java minecraft.

Oh I've had experiences with those before: "We reserve the right to permanently ban any account that we consider to be harmful towards the community" and that's it. Terms of services should be specific to the limitations of one's actions. that's the entire reason they exist. placing a broad definition of something that can apply to almost anything that doesn't involve playing the game as intented can be banned if the devs deem it troublesome. then why the hell even have ToS? They should've updated it and banned anyone that continue to do so, ONLY using that damn report system they placed, not video evidence. Is it logical or am I just crazy?

@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360

Жыл бұрын

Inability to formulate precise rules is bad, yeah. But precise bad rules are not much better.

@jimmythornseed8605

Жыл бұрын

If you think a fair system *wouldn't* actually ban these degenerates then I don't know what to tell you.

This needs to be the rules of the servers. Not Mojang or Microsoft.

@Rocket_PC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i think if the servers were okay with this they wouldnt've been banned I don't think it's that crazy to asume 90% of people don't wanna be griefed

@frenix9882

Жыл бұрын

@@Rocket_PC i mean you dont need rules and moderstos for private servers wich is something they did grief

@Kk-xt9eq

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 100%

@sleuthslime9775

Жыл бұрын

@@frenix9882 Those servers should be whitelist. Mojang should be setting whitelist enabled in default configs and educating it's userbase on common sense precautions, not banning people for stuff that isn't even against TOS.

@frenix9882

Жыл бұрын

@@sleuthslime9775 i can tell you where i live , if this got to court, it wouldnt be hard for a lawyer to prove what they did falls under harrasment, so its against tos. I dont get why people want them to be unbaned, i get the methods were quite bad for the bans, but destroying worlds private worlds where people maybe put houndreds of hours into for the only sake of making them suffer is plain evil

I am surprised by the audacity of 5th column members to even ask the reason they got banned, after making such a havoc in the community by griefing so many servers and streamers. They saw it coming from miles away

@kniazjarema8587

Жыл бұрын

They got banned for 3 different reasons. I too, would ask Mojang what the hell are they smoking. Mojang did not behave professionaly, and they're multi-billion corporation. This is not the way to appease players.

@gandalf_thegrey

Жыл бұрын

@@kniazjarema8587 Its also generally bad customer service.

@mikumikuareka

Жыл бұрын

​@@kniazjarema8587 they were not "banned for 3 different reasons". The reason of the ban is "Harrassment and Bullying". There's no confusion about the reason, orsond knows exactly what Mojang banned him and his fellas for. The narrative about "Mojang banned us for 3 different reasons reee!!!" and "Mojang bans mods now reee!!!!" is orsond being manipulative, and he specifically pushed it onto Gildfesh and his saveminecraft movement, and he, as a good faith person, picked that up and started spreading misinformation. Orsond does that to water down the obvious fact that the ban was absolutely rightful, and there's no doubt he knows that.

@forwenein2669

Жыл бұрын

@@gandalf_thegrey I'd say it's quite good customer service to rid their venue of problematic pests that worsen the experience for everyone else. kudos to mojang

@Cloudd0

Жыл бұрын

- Create a group with the sole purpose of griefing innocent people worlds - Develop software to track every single server on the internet - Have a way to target specific people across multiple servers ad use it to harass them publicly - Record footage of it "Wtf why did i get banned"

I think that the username discrepancy was due to every username having a UUID (Universally Unique Identifier) Basically a long string of numbers that is tied to your account, and stays with your account, even if you change usernames. It probably went like this: Username is visible in video Search for any user with that username Find the UUID Ban the account with the UUID. Even if there were two accounts with that name, they can't have the same name at the same time, and they can verify who had that username at that time.

@supra107

Жыл бұрын

Better yet, you can use modded clients and servers to mock up a username and skin, and then you can frame other users without it ever being seen on Microsoft's servers. This is the big issue, but no one cares because "griefers bad they deserved it", because that's always how it starts. You go after the biggest scum, so then you can easily go after smaller and smaller targets, and no one can protest because the rest will say "you want to protect the scum" until everyone gets a boot in their face, and by then there's nothing that can be done.

@TheBcoolGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@supra107 "First they came for the griefers, but I did not speak up, because I was not a griefer."

@supra107

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBcoolGuy You may be laughing now, but after Microsoft starts banning people for complete non-offenses you won't be. People laughed at the idea that Microsoft would start banning people after the Mojang>Microsoft account migration. And game corporations like Blizzard and Sony are working on mechanisms for banning players for saying mean things even if they've been said outside the game, Microsoft will be no different.

@Axodus

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBcoolGuy 1984-craft, you buy a game and the company takes your account because you were "playing it wrong" bruh.

The thing about griefers and "trolls" is that they're actually bullies that pretend to be trolls. They feel like a victim of humanity, and think that it gives them justification to harass people. Like a lot of booters I've come across, they portray themselves as a victim, or an underdog, when in reality they're just degenerates that commit federal crimes to feel just a shred of the power they desperately fantasize about. It's not really about the reactions. Again, they're really just bullies, and like all bullies they want everyone around them to feel as helpless as they do. They don't want you to enjoy your game, or enjoy any minute of free time you have. They will always make an excuse or pretend that what they do is for a good cause, but that's just them lying to that little part of their brain that actually feels regretful of their actions. "If I can't be happy, no one else deserves it either. I'm a victim. You should feel bad for me, but I will never stop harassing people. When people get upset at what I do to them, it means they're irrational. Everyone is the problem except for me."

@idiotgaming6376

Жыл бұрын

Though I agree for the most part I wouldn't say ever person who trolls is a bully as trolling could mean massing a meme unit in a game or like In ark painting something dumb on there character while there offline if some dude spent 20 hours filling your base with chickens for Minecraft example or bred 1000+ sheep's under spawn hell if someone took the time and effort to get a warden to spawn I'd admire there commitment I believe the deference Is how much permeant damage is done

@SpaceMonkeyBoi

Жыл бұрын

@@idiotgaming6376 trolling is like a prank. Like getting a news network to read out "Hue Janis". The people who insult others on the internet or harass people in games are not trolls. Just bullies that hide behind the word to protect themselves of any criticism. It's basically just: "Why are you upset? I know I was harassing you and threw slurs at you, but I'm just trolling. And because I'm 'trolling' you're supposed to just sit there and take it. YOURE the problem, not me!"

@idiotgaming6376

Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceMonkeyBoi I 100% agree those people are bullies and I agree that these people in this situation deserves that ban hammee

I think the reason why the ban reasons are all muddied up is because what the 5th Column was doing was unprecedented. I seriously do not think the EULA was developed under the expectation anyone would actually go out of their way to systematically scan and grief hundreds of servers. Because of this, I do not see a slippery slope. The rules will likely change to directly label and name the actions the 5th Column committed as explicitly banable, but currently those rule changes have not been developed. Bear in mind also that the sudden public griefing of twitch streamers could easily have taken Mojang by surprise, leaving even less cohesiveness in their implementation of their rules, which already are devoid of the language required to make a definitive ruling on the group's actions.

@sophiachalloner8951

Жыл бұрын

I think so too. Hopefully mojang will setup a system for this. And when that system is in place, they should also fix the issues shown here.

The support team's reasoning is weird, but the bedrock edition having a different message seems to me like that's just the message you see if you get banned for "harassment or bullying". In the end, that's the system mojang made that's meant to be used for chat messages

@StuffandThings_

Жыл бұрын

"meant to be used for chat messages" na, that was just the start. They always intended this, but have been taking it slow to minimize the backlash. Oh well, they'll realize the magnitude of their mistake when Hytale releases and instakills Minecraft.

@StygianIkazuchi

Жыл бұрын

@@StuffandThings_ Wow you really need to get your nose out of Hytale's ass. You can't just "instakill" a game like Minecraft. Pokemon's latest games were absolute dogshit quality and yet not a single video game in existence has "instakilled" that franchise.

A year or so ago my server was griefed by them. At the time it was funny because it took me 2 minutes to undo what they had done and i could see how much longer it took them do the damage. Glad they got banned and all but i really hope this isn't taken any further.

You know the Minecraft builder of me is not against the greifers being banned but on the other hand the inner greifer in me is upset idk how to feel

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. It should be up to the server owners over what actions should be taken since that’s how it’s been since Minecraft was created. I do agree with banning the players who took part in the Griefs because of the extent of them, but Microsoft using these reasons and banning players based on evidence that can be forged easily, makes me concerned for what they’re going to do for the future.

@darkonyx6995

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it's always a bit too late for the casual server owners to ban them before getting their whole game griefed.

@sierra991

Жыл бұрын

@@darkonyx6995 have you considered... idk, taking a backup? enabling whitelist? banning unknown people when they join your game?

@asdadadadff123

Жыл бұрын

@@darkonyx6995 No backup, no sympathy. If it's too important to lose then you better start backing it up. Maybe it's malicious actors like griefers or hackers, maybe it's hardware failure, or maybe just some software bug or broken update. Always assume that data-loss is a "when" and not an "if". If you practice proper data safety then no griefer will ever cause any lasting damage. On the flipside, Mojang just banning a few griefers, without fixing the server ping exploits and whitelist problems, does excatly nothing to protect your server from griefers. They just make new accounts and try harder. That is how people like that function. In terms of safety it like this: Preventing the problem on your end > Hoping the dev fixes the exploit > Having the dev ban a few bad actors.

@tacticallemon7518

Жыл бұрын

Not even that You can get banned from online because of easily fake able screenshots on *all versions* of minecraft IE, you can get perma banned from playing with your friends for something you didn’t do

@darkonyx6995

Жыл бұрын

@@sierra991 Guess what? Not everyone knows how to make a backup or enable a whitelist.

My issue with this is not necessarily with action against the 5th column per-se. What they did was pretty darned serious, yes, and an official level response does make some sense. But ultimately, the way in which these bans were carried out is characterized by flagrant lack of transparency and due process, and that is not okay. Very reminiscent of the recent wave of creator bans on youtube and twitch, so suddenly and with little communication. (Analysis rant below, for those interested, lol.) The way I see it: -This is an unprecedented move for mojang to carry out moderation in this manner. For them to go *over the head of their own reporting system,* to other people's content openly published on the internet with no prior notice is striking, and seems to be an arbitrary decision made in this case rather than adherence to an established policy. That leaves an extra sour taste in my mouth when considering that they were banned for 12 years without any clue this was even on the table. -The carriage punishment was inconsistent. Multiple different reasons being stated variably by the institution is a huge red flag. Why can't mojang get its accusations straight? This really is concerning because it implies that this was a non-systemic, arbitrary, and not well processed decision. And the use of a 12 year temporary ban instead of properly classifying it as a perma-ban (let's be real here...) is not a detail I missed. If you want to perma-ban them, just do it. Click the official button. Unless you want to perma-ban someone without having to officially record it, legal loophole style. I know this is just Minecraft, but in real life, this kind of stuff is, practically textbook for cases of questionably administered justice. Never thought my studies of political history would apply to Minecraft one day... -Their own policy is borderline self-contradictory, and interpretation is not made clear. The EULA allows hacked clients, and yet you have a ban reason of "hacking." Bullying and harassment are totally fair grounds for punishment, but this injunction has not usually been applied to simple block-busting griefing on a company level. What does "bullying and harassment" mean to mojang? (Side note--I personally think it's not hard to categorized what happened as bullying and harassment, and I don't think it's excusable behavior. But the point is that the institution is not being clear with the way they are treating these issues and seems perfectly ready to hand out very severe punishment without warning or explanation). -And I'm not even going to get into the evidence integrity issues with that video footage... sheesh. There's more to this unprompted essay/rant, but I think my point is clear to those who have read this far. Again, I point to youtube and twitch. It's like, almost exactly the same pattern here, and I think we can all see it. While I have no love for the 5th column and such aggressive, destructive behavior (not to mention the IP dredging-method; that's a serious thing in it's own right, but the subject of this discussion), justice has to be carried out with integrity. It's not okay to wrongly prosecute someone, even if they are truly guilty. If mojang is going to make this mode of operation it's new standard, these policies, and their interpretations need to be clearly communicated to the playerbase. There is no reason why someone acting in good faith couldn't do that, but someone acting without integrity can't. So which are you, Mojang?

@steven1946

Жыл бұрын

Dude... I fully agree with what you said and I had no idea this even happened until I just saw this video. Also why doesn't your comment have more likes? Because it CERTAINLY got mine. 😠👍🏽

@paganathiest6349

Жыл бұрын

my problem with it is like you said, their reasonings were all over the place, and their backing when confronted about it is also pretty half assed as well. whats to stop them from taking any one of us out for literally no reason and being like welp sucks for you. i've spent years creating a name and persona in this game accrossed all the servers i've played, everyone knows me personally, everyone in the communities i play in have a deep concern for everyone else and its noticed when someone has stopped playing for some time, its a bit of an overstatement and i dont make it lightly but its quite literally killing off the playerbase because "oh welp sucks to be you" its the ban hammer mentality, and its not right, if you're going to go out of your way to take someone out of a community even if its innately warranted you NEED to have concrete evidence to back up your actions and claims. as far as im concerned here its hearsay and thats not good enough

@steven1946

Жыл бұрын

@@paganathiest6349 I've done the same thing! I mean not entirely but I'm following what you're putting down my guy

@UltraAryan10

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, if 5th Column is wrong, Mojang should come out and say it clearly rather than banning them for large variety of reasons including things they didnt even do.

@limonlx7182

Жыл бұрын

That's almost exactly what's happening now with KZread. A system where there's no clarity or communication between the community and staff. KZread bans people for not following their rules, yet when asked about those rules they won't share them because those rules will be exploited or smth. Imagine if laws were secret. You're just walking outside, eating a sandwich, then out of nowhere, you're being arrested and put in jail, yet you never know what you even did wrong. Rules are made so people follow them. If you don't tell anyone what those rules are, it's like you want them to be broken.

And that’s when invisible name exploits come in handy. I actually have an invisible name glitch I used over 5 years ago and my name still renders invisible

Ahh, good ol 5C, recently a friend made a server for a group and had the bright idea to save server security for later. Overnight, I was afking about 30,000 blocks away from spawn with a friend to use an auto-villager breeder and i woke up and hopped on briefly to see unknown users, but i saw them log out noting that they had a "fun session." I then learned the following day every base, besides mine being so far out, had been griefed, and a sign had been placed in each destroyed base with a Fifth Column signature. So, yes, i was online during a griefing, while in my base, and magically never got hit.

Imagine if Mojang banned my accounts for literally enforcing their own EULA 😂

@Jane-qh2yd

Жыл бұрын

This shows how bad these bans were. Sure, these griefers were assholes, but they used INTENDED GAME MECHANICS to grief an OPEN server. That's like getting banned for destroying a bed in hypixel bedwars.

@aidanguy2182

Жыл бұрын

wouldnt put it past em

@nothingherezero7182

Жыл бұрын

@@Jane-qh2yd no bruh they specifically Made a bot to target people to destroy streams there hobby or livelihood that harassment

I think it is more simple than most people realize: Mojang will only take action if it hurts their bottom line. It is all about money. Don't forget, Minecraft is owned by MICROSOFT...

@witchhatter

Жыл бұрын

I've been feeling this since the game-wide text moderation. Heavy-handed stuff like this will just keep happening; that's how corporations like microsoft work. Maybe it's high time for a wave of indie minecraft-likes.

@Deltexterity

Жыл бұрын

that's why they stayed docile about this until the griefers started targeting streamers. streamers are free advertisement for minecraft, so the second that happens they think they might lose money, and they go on a rampage. personally i do think the bans were deserved, but i doubt they actually did it for the sake of "being good".

@PowerOutageGootraxian

Жыл бұрын

@@witchhatter I feel the same. I think minecraft is starting to slightly overstay its welcome.

@vangard9725

Жыл бұрын

Start pirating Minecraft en mass and make Microsoft feel the ramifications of their actions

@witchhatter

Жыл бұрын

@@vangard9725 If you want to spite microsoft, pirating doesn't do much. Find and promote a competing game. I'm sure if we start wading through the sea of copycats, there's one or a few that are worth the attention. If not, we can make one. Software development is (currently) a free market you can jump into.

I think a company should stick to its policies and not make up policies. Legally they can get into a lot of trouble and using footage outside the scoop of their platform can also be a legal violation.

Griefing innocent private servers that weren't even meant to be public is something that really deserves banning them. This is completely different from griefing on a public anarchy server where the server rules even allow it. I wonder if accessing a private server and griefing it could even go against data privacy laws. A server is someones private property after all, and if the owner doesn't allow you, then accessing it could be counted as unauthorized manipulation of someone elses private data. And from a community standpoint as well, someone who has THAT level of maliciousness to waste his entire time to search for private servers of innocent people and destroying them really should be banned from accessing any server again.

Mojang seems heavy-handed in their ban justifications, but the griefers had it coming tbh. If you mess with the money, they're going to mess with you.

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

I don't even care if it's for mojang's pocket. The world isn't your anarchy server. They went too far, and got what they deserved

@fasddfadfgasdgs

Жыл бұрын

except those griefers are said money. They are also players that paid for the game also. If they got banned cause something in game lets them to without any modification to the clients then a perma ban could be a contract violation. 2nd they'd have to explain what griefing is. Sure you can blow up someone fictional castle does that consider harassment? Cause Harassment has a very specific term in legal documentation and it can be very hard to explain especially in a scenario like this. If they are constantly after someone yea that one is clear cut. But generally they'd use the term Harassment, not griefing.

@typhoon1575

Жыл бұрын

@@fasddfadfgasdgs Their money is kind kf worthless when they decide to ruin the game for thousands of others. They deserve what they got

@user-zl1vf4me1p

Жыл бұрын

@@typhoon1575 not the issue, even fits agrees that they deserved the ban exclusively for harrassment, the issue is the way mojang is baning players, based on "video evidence" is absolute garbage. If they want to keep banning griefing let there only be through their damn report system they pushed in. picture yourself in the future being falsely banned because of this. It wouldn't be funny anymore would it? Also I don't know why it reminds me to sexual harrassment police reports nowadays, no need for proof if the "victim" is a woman and the "criminal" a man.

@toniotrussardi8126

Жыл бұрын

@@fasddfadfgasdgs thats on them,they know mojang changed and know that doing this and being public about would caugh up to them its like if u paid for a fps game and complained that u got banned for using aimbot

And we all saw this coming. It's just a matter of time before even more bans are handed out for lesser actions.

@sleuthslime9775

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the real kicker, like fifth column griefing is arguably 'too far', but the justifications used for bans threaten entire communities.

@Jane-qh2yd

Жыл бұрын

Yet most people in here seem to be COMPLETELY in favor of the bans and Mojang's reasoning.

@SimonPetrikov12

Жыл бұрын

Slippery slope fallacy

@texanarchy666

Жыл бұрын

fr. as soon as they added the reporting feature, i stopped playing minecraft and never looked back. they ruined the game

@samsonsoturian6013

Жыл бұрын

Maybe we should. As much as I like blowing stuff up, it breaks the game by wasting everything in sight.

9:08 This is honestly the best way to describe the situation. They were 100% harassing, but the way Mojang went about it was poor. Mentioning the language, the video, and not understanding the difference between molded and hacked isn't good

The fact that Minecraft actually acknowledges griefing as a part of the Minecraft experience but are now banning people for it is quite intresting

@Axodus

Жыл бұрын

It's not meant to make sense, it's just politics seeping into gaming.

@jesipohl6717

Жыл бұрын

They broke into private servers using tech not available to most users to commit a sustained campaign of text-book psychological harassment against various targets, which like idiots they advertised and shared, begging for attention. They should feel lucky that nobody wants to open a corporate or civil case against them, especially costly to defendents when there are extra-territorial disputes. Do stupid things win stupid prizes. Edit: Maybe they can get GFs now that they aren't harassing people on MC like real fasci BläckP;lls.

@aadarshroy3216

Жыл бұрын

@@Axodus griefing is politics, LOL WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

@prominecrafter345

Жыл бұрын

@@aadarshroy3216 Mojang's interests was threatened when the griefers collectively griefed streamers. Thus hurting revenue so corporate leaders of Minecraft had to politically oppose griefers being ambiguous about the reason for bans, making a strong statement to the griefers about not touching the company's interests.

@jewels3846

Жыл бұрын

​​@@prominecrafter345 thats not political. Its their revenue being threatened and corporate greed.

I feel like moderation is something that should be left to the servers

@Kk-xt9eq

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that yeah but if they go to like many of the same server now thats to far but they should of only banned people doing it and for harrassment or bullying

@somethingsonic

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Mojang needs to know their place.

@rogoznicafc9672

Жыл бұрын

with statements like this you need to say "i think" instead of "feel"

@Photon007

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@rogoznicafc9672 Grammar doesn't matter as much on the internet. It's a pity that so many people misuse grammar, moreover, "feel" and "I think" are fundamentally the same in this context, due to the way it is applied to the sentence.

@ididsomeunspeakablethingsa4899

Жыл бұрын

@@rogoznicafc9672 how important is this to problems in this situation just how important is this

I think this is a 10k+ iq move from microsoft. By showing people that they are banning griefers, griefers will buy alt accounts to grief with, thus increasing sales

@Xer0280

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, we think microsoft is being dumb, but they are 20 steps ahead of what our primitive brains can think of

@fewkeyfewkey5414

Жыл бұрын

Those alt accounts pays some of their income to Microsoft! Your onto something!

@Dou2_

Жыл бұрын

Infinite money glitch

@samsonsoturian6013

Жыл бұрын

That would last a month or two.

@Shock_ON

Жыл бұрын

you can buy stolen accounts for like $0.20

8:20 who woulda thought a discussion on Twitter could result in someone wholeheartedly admitting they were wrong?

I'm one of then too since I grief bases on Faction, but I don't use hacks I mostly use vanilla TNT I also started a challenge that if I see Notch, I must break server rule (if it's an full anarcky server like 2B2C , there is nothing to do)

I think Mojang should leave it to the server owner and not interfere if someone hacked or griefed. However though I think this is a special case since the fifth collum is going on to tons of servers they're not invited to and griefing. It is still complicated though since if they just use screenshots and videos for evidence, it can be faked and they can fool Mojang into banning an innocent account.

@udontknowme00

Жыл бұрын

the correct take. people like the fifth column should be banned regardless of whether or not it's technically against mojang's own EULA to do so. otherwise, let server owners decide. and they need some kind of system to verify if a player is really at fault, as "video evidence" is incredibly easy to fake

@Thegamecheats

Жыл бұрын

To be fair nothing of value is lost. Worse case scenario these people that have nothing better to do than to scan every single IP address stalking streamers have to go touch grass or something?

@spiceyicey

Жыл бұрын

Bad way of thinking. The fact that the evidence for the ban was screenshots means that caked screenies can be used to get anyone banned. Also they got banned for using a hack client, which means all 2b2t players can be banned. Thinking in the short term like this is how you get the cake to house situation

@cameronberhow8596

Жыл бұрын

@@Thegamecheats Worst possible take

@nothingherezero7182

Жыл бұрын

@@spiceyicey no they targeted streamers remember

It's silly to assume modded clients and hacked clients will be banned wholesale because of this. The fact that they're not using an automated system to detect your client and are instead going off footage as evidence means they're treating this on a case by case basis. The modding community will be fine.

@ML-sc3pt

Жыл бұрын

They only ban those they don't like. Same with "hate speech" which is just another way to say people who aren't liberals

@DessertArbiter

Жыл бұрын

@@ML-sc3pt lol okay grandpa

@ML-sc3pt

Жыл бұрын

@@DessertArbiter ah yes the 21 year old grandpa. Men aren't women. It's a fact not "hate speech"

@longiusaescius2537

Жыл бұрын

@DessertArbiter Gaming I don't think Nagisa believes putting on a skirt makes you a woman

@ML-sc3pt

Жыл бұрын

@@longiusaescius2537 even the ones doing it truly don't. Hence the suicide rate higher than jews in the holocaust

The problem I find is that Mojang is obviously changing the ban reasons every time which sets a dangerous precedent and means that they don't actually have a clear and concise ban reason for the fifth column, either stick to the facts or just wait until they actually have their ban reasons in order, this feels very irrational on their part just to save some face over streamers getting harassed

@revon9bootsandcats265

Жыл бұрын

it wasnt just streamers though, it was actually schools, churches and other comunity servers, they litterally preyed on the weak by entering thier server, i was also grief on my world so i literally had to search how to turn on a white list

@dezmas9332

Жыл бұрын

@@revon9bootsandcats265 That doesn't disprove my point at all, it just enforces it because without a clear ban reason they will have sympathy for their actions, also based

@friedrichhayek4862

Жыл бұрын

No Irrational, but no a due process.

@jesipohl6717

Жыл бұрын

they shared litigating circumstances (things that made the harassment worse; i.e. using tech that the average user would not have access to), they did not change reasons. the fundamental fact here is that the 5th column did not fake its own footage to get itself banned, that's a ridiculous proposition from FITMC. The only thing dangerous about this incident is the harm that these sustained campaigns of harassment could cause the targets.

@maryguo2555

Жыл бұрын

It really doesn't seem like there's any defense to this, griefing in a game (mainly) for children seems like harassment... It's clear that we all agree that griefing children isn't a positive event for the child, and we shouldn't be fighting over this when we are all on the same side. If you think that it is ok to grief children in this game, then that's ok! But don't fight the fact that Mojang can be quite inconsistent with the ban reasons. You should be defending griefing as a key part of the game, that should be kept in to protect the spirit? (I'm guessing?)

Banning people who made bots to find and grief private servers isn’t what gets me, it’s the bans themselves. If Mojang is both allowed and willing to ban accounts based on previous video evidence, who knows what kind of doors that will open for them in the future regarding banning accounts.

The way 5th column are doing it, I would see how it's a bannable offense. The bans themselves are a different question, but I can see why Mojang would get serious. *However,* I always saw griefers as kind of a part of the community. An essential one. A part of the experience.

@roeital5504

Жыл бұрын

Yes imagine losing a hardcore server because someone felt like it, griefers arent a part of the community, they are just a bunch of dicks that has nothing to do with their life beside ruins the life of others

@TheBcoolGuy

Жыл бұрын

I don't see how anything should entitle a company to ban you from using a product you paid for. The only immoral people here are Mojang. I am disappointed in Notch.

While the Fifth Column’s griefing is no doubt unjustifiable, the fact that the team banning them could not get the reason straight despite having WATCHED FOOTAGE of what they did is very concerning. I seriously hope that if this system continues, it’ll A) become internally consistent and B) only target cases like Fifth Column. Griefing on most servers is frowned upon. On anarchy servers, it’s part of the experience you sign up for. Hopefully they know that nuance.

@netctrl

Жыл бұрын

an actual sane take didnt expect to find this

@dumflame

Жыл бұрын

What about Maksitaxi amd D loader, do they deserve to get banned?

@torahama362

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@@dumflame They do part take in it. So yes, the recent event is just the 5th Column going out of control but they had done this systematic greifing for years and that's a ban-able offense on harassment

@fractalisomega9517

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At the same time they’re punching holes in Mojang’s lazy server security code like it’s nothing, that should make everyone concerned and not because of griefers but because of things potentially far worse Groomers, identity thieves, and far worse people are out there

@cocacola4blood365

Жыл бұрын

This is going into an area Mojang doesn't have any specific rules for. The 5th Column's actions are without precedent. Mojang is responding to this as it develops.

Griefing is a part of Minecraft it’s the freedom to do whatever you want.

i can understand mojang taking action on griefing non anarchy servers, but in terms of actual anarchy servers i've always seen it as either "anything goes" or "anything goes (terms and conditions apply*)"