Peter M. Hoffmann, professor of biophysics at Wayne State University, wrote the book "Life's Ratchet" about this subject in 2012, when England had just gotten out of school. England is a good spokesperson for these ideas, but he didn't originate them. Being a rabbi is the main attraction here.

Sean is one of the last true liberal intellectuals who isn't afraid to entertain unorthodox points of view. Your podcasts are truly refreshing in these uncertain times. Thank you!

@darishennen898

3 жыл бұрын

I thought this guy was orthodox?

@TheYodason

3 жыл бұрын

@@darishennen898 I believe he means unorthodox in the context of the scientific community, rather than the Jewish faith.

These are two very, very smart guys who communicate deep and complex ideas in a (reasonably) accessible way. I read the Dan Brown book, but this is the first time I've heard from Jeremy England in person and thought he came across very well. It's great to listen to an atheist and a rabbi having such an interesting and respectful discussion.

God these podcasts are so illuminating. Listening to Jeremy talk in particular is really something.

Sean you need to film your podcasts, it gives people the choice to watch or listen. I personally prefer to watch . Do it for me hah Any one else agree ?

I'm so glad you've interviewed Jeremy England! I hear virtually nothing about his ground-breaking work.

@VedJoshi..

3 жыл бұрын

i think this is partly because it is still in the works

@ASLUHLUHCE

2 жыл бұрын

Partly because it isn't particularly groundbreaking

@WestOfEarth

2 жыл бұрын

@@ASLUHLUHCE Oh really...please link us your ground-breaking work that we may be astounded by your clear brilliance.

@ASLUHLUHCE

2 жыл бұрын

​@@WestOfEarth Grow up

@WestOfEarth

2 жыл бұрын

@@ASLUHLUHCE haha, says the naive, anonymous person believing a Harvard-trained scientist has offered nothing new. I realize 'grow up' is the admonishment used by the intellectually challenged, so I'll leave you to stare into your cereal bowl.

I think Jeremy conducts himself in a very careful way, subtle and sophisticated, a real intelligent man who has thought a lot grappling with the world, seans atheism and pop approach with all his 'philosophy' seems more naive

@nenadnen11111

Жыл бұрын

Still God doesnt exist

@Criador42

3 күн бұрын

@@nenadnen11111 may God bless you! 🙏 just because you don’t feel it doesn’t mean it’s not there!

David Deutsch please! :)

@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself

3 жыл бұрын

PLEASE!

very interesting and deep conversation. thanks!) imo, the problems you both facing with understanding life's processes start when you separate evolution of the universe and consider life as weak emergent local phenomenon, taking place on the planet. it's one single general evolution of the universe resulting in the growth complexity of matter stractures of the observable universe. fundamental physics driving evolition of life and evolution of the observable universe is the same.

I heard this, and Gimlet's scaredy-cat around the same time, and it's eerie how similar Jeremy England's voice is to Jason Mantzoukas's!

I always had the trouble, that i didn't really see, how this is fundamentally superior to standard dissipative systems (and (II) the many approaches to a non-equilibrium thermodynamics variational principle)... maybe I am getting him wrong!?

I am in so much pain.

@NathanMian

3 жыл бұрын

What's wrong?

"a greater diversity in the ecosystem aids greater assimilation and efficiency of solar energy while at the same time it requires or implies tighter cooperation", Modelo Para Valorar la Atribucion de Sustentabilidad 2003

Very interesting.

I have so many comments, but will stick to just one: I think the world would be a lot more interesting and happy about life if folks like Jeremy England, Sean Carroll, Stephen Wolfram, and I, were talking to one another, and to young folks, about life, the universe, and everything.

@sergeynovikov9424

Жыл бұрын

"I think the world would be a lot more interesting and happy about life..." the world is the way it is. it's a single objective entity. while life is not for talks only but for the actions in the result of observations and the deeper understanding of the objective things around and relationships between them. )

@thewiseturtle

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeynovikov9424 Life is what it is, and will be something different in the future. This is what thinking and communication are for, generating information about what's possible, so we can choose which futures we want to move towards.

@sergeynovikov9424

Жыл бұрын

​@@thewiseturtle : ""we can choose which futures we want to move towards." as i can see from this very interesting discussion -- life and all the things outside and inside are combined into one single fine tuned entity of the observable universe. there are some fundamental laws of nature, which are still hidden from our understanding, which determine not only evolution of the whole observable universe around, but the very same laws determine the whole machinery and evolution of life also. therefore i'm not sure we have enough freedom to choose among the futures -- the whole world (and so life as a part of it) is going where it is intended to go in the same way it was evolving since the very beggining from the BB. i see evolution of life in a broader context of one general evolution of the whole observable universe. biological life only looks like a planetary local accidental phenomenon, but on the fundamental level life is non-local and the appearence of the biological forms of life we see here was predetermined by the fundemental laws under our physical reality.

@thewiseturtle

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeynovikov9424 Indeed, our choices of what information to share and what futures to work towards are very much governed by the laws of physics. As I see it, the universe is a pure mathematical randomness generator, in the form of Pascal's triangle (as demonstrated by a Galton board), where all possible patterns of contraction and expansion are generated, somewhere, somewhen, deterministically. Infinitely making a branching and reconnecting fractal evolutionary family tree of everything.

@sergeynovikov9424

Жыл бұрын

@@thewiseturtle well, and what are the consequences from this vision -- can you give your definition of what life is, how is it organised, what is going to be in the result of its evolvution? how far can you see from now to forecast our future?

Please interview Bernardo Kastrup

This sounds like trying really hard to mix heterogeneous things for personal reasons. The Bible and physics deal with such different phenomena, for example, electrons moving around on one and what makes a good life on the other. Both are important to human beings but the connection has an almost unimaginable number of steps to get from one to the other. To me, it feels very forced and somewhat desperate to claim a straightforward connection. Loved the physics stuff though! Great interview!

Hi Mr Carroll you are amazingly genius

two brilliant scientists can have discussion with philosophical differences, which means on the meaning of scientific data, and no calls from either one to cancel the other. Imagine that with today's students or political bloggers.

This is such an obvious case of confirmation bias on England's part. I'm not sure why Sean has him as a guest?

Big up to God for putting such a great compact example of what it is for a non equilibrium system to explore a space of possible combinations into Exodus 7:17. Also big up to rabbi England for pointing that out.

i didn't know tony robbins was so smart

Man I would love to have a conversation with Sean Carroll. I have my own theories of physics and universe that both me and my brother have made a ton of sense from through mathematics and human emotions. I wonder what he thinks about them.

@AmroQuandour

3 жыл бұрын

Send him an email. It's not like he lives in a blackhole out there.

@strangerwithscience3597

3 жыл бұрын

Share some thing here and ill let you know if you are a crackpot. Please dont tell me you think consciousness collapses the wave function... Cause it absolutely doesnt

@williamratoff5808

3 жыл бұрын

He (almost certainly) thinks they are nonsense.

@strangerwithscience3597

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamratoff5808 odds are the OP thinks looking at a wave function makes it collapse... Lol. Like OMG im going to spout something i heard on a youtube video and know nothing about.

@TheMagnitude

3 жыл бұрын

@@strangerwithscience3597 It’s more of a culmination of personal experience, drug taking, Ego death, suicide attempts, forgiveness in myself, and finally mental and physical harmony. I really can’t prove anything. Not yet, maybe in a few years when I have actual degrees under my name someone will listen, until then, thanks for reading. :)

I'll have you know, Planet Xenon is home to the noblest of lifeforms.

What if neither science nor religion have it right? And there is some other kind of process that we have just yet to discover?

@miltonpopper4181

3 жыл бұрын

Science doesn't claim truth, religion does. This is one of the fundamental differences between the two. Science is an ever evolving system, trying to inch closer to understanding the world around us. Science is never right, but more right than any other system of making sense of the world we have. Scientists acknowledge that we will never be right, we can never claim truth, but maybe we can get very close to being right. But we are never sure, and we will always have to live with some measure of uncertainty. Of course, there could be some other process that will be even better at this inching forward than current science, but I suspect that scientist will just adopt it, and than that will be science, because such is the nature of science.

@robertglass5678

3 жыл бұрын

@@miltonpopper4181 I mean, I know. I teach it. But there are real problems with science. One that he mentioned was the limit of only being able to say anything worthwhile about things that can be measured. Science dismisses things that can't easily be measured and thus pushes us toward a more automated society. Our intuition could give us truths about how we want our lives to be that don't require precise measurements--I think. I was, you know, putting forth a counterfactual. What if religion was good in the face of general ignorance? Then science showed us that we weren't completely ignorant and that we could say conclusive things about the parts of the universe we can measure? But then there is another system that doesn't rely on measurement the way science does, but still gives us knowledge about many aspect of existence that don't easily boil down to a number? I think that is what the guest was saying? Maybe I was wrong.

@miltonpopper4181

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertglass5678 Late reply. Ok, I now better understand what you're saying, and agree to a large extent. Science does limit itself in that way, but purposefully so I would say. But it is a limitation, and it does leave a lot out. That doesn't mean exploration outside of science is not valid or serious, it just isn't science. String theory is arguably in this position, or at least was for a long time. Science does keep evolving and we are able to include more and more into it, we can now measure things we were not even aware of decades ago. Who knows what the future holds. The problem I have with intuition is that it has been proven to be very inaccurate at times, it is so easy to fool yourself, even within science. But again, there could very well be some other process waiting for us to discover it. For example; mathematics is a non-scientific process, that is very rigorous, and has proven to be very useful and insightful, and has allowed us to answer questions, and explore areas, that are very hard or impossible to answer or explore scientifically.

@robertglass5678

3 жыл бұрын

@@miltonpopper4181 Agree with your comparison of science to intuition. However, I would argue that when it comes down to my (or your) value as a human being, so much is left out by science. The only impartial, empirical measurement we can make about our value to society is how much money we have. (Unless you have another?) I don't know about you, but I could care less about money, so I get to be left in the margins despite always being at least somewhat useful to any group that I've ever worked with. That being said, your point holds; what could we possibly do that's better than Science? Well, it was a counterfactual because I don't know--otherwise I'd do it and become famous or whatever. Maybe if a technological/philosophical species evolves full fledged telepathy they would find a new system because so much of the Scientific Method is about rooting out lies and confused thinking. If we just knew what we were all thinking; maybe we could streamline the process in a productive new way?

@johntavers6878

3 жыл бұрын

well, you are free to discover it and become famous.

Who knows? Science is perhaps the road to God. Perhaps it is independent of god. Or there is no god. Who knows, how can we know? Thank you so much Prof. Carroll. Great content.

I would enjoy this more if I didn't find thermodynamics unintuitive and disheartening.

The Ultimate Question is not: "Does God exists?" but rather "Why intelligent people believes in it?"

Jesus never existed

Fascinating. As long as he talks about reality, everything sounds sane and solid. And then the blathering about the bible starts. It's like someone flicked a switch. Word salad, wild diffuse assumptions about what the bible might talk about in it's goat herder stories, total nonsense. It's a desperate attempt to find some depth in scripture that goes beyond just poetry from authors who, of course, asked the eternal questions about life, but had no idea either, and it fails miserably.

@sialababamak537

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my sentiment. Unfortunately it affects almost all scientists/believers.

@kevinagee4364

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@handzar6402

2 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for someone like you to comment, it seemed to be inevitable. You can't even put your bigotry and prejudices aside for one moment to hear someone who thinks differently from you. Someone, I might add, who has thought very deeply about the issues and is incredibly well-read and educated on these topics. It's a shame.

Why are this guys religious beliefs 'interesting' instead of just wrong? Any other clearly false belief, yet unconnected to religion, would be immediately attacked with the full force of arguments and reason (as all wrong ideas should). Yet this guy gets a free pass because his wrong beliefs have to do with religion. Religion and tradition are enemies of science, as science constantly demands proofs and tries to push the frontier forward.

@GebreMMII

2 жыл бұрын

Tradition?

@handzar6402

2 жыл бұрын

Prove it. If you have any evidence that they're ''clearly false'', then you should have no trouble highlighting the flaws and dismantling the argument, surely? Unless it's all just hot air (which I suspect it is)?

@nancymatro8029

Жыл бұрын

totally agree

The human mind can really twist itself to believe what it wants to believe. I admire Sean for having a variety of guests, but this one was a waste of time for me. Looking back, you can twist a religion to seem like it was trying to be scientific, like that bit about river water and mud. That was really some verbal gymnastics. Religion did not lead us to where we are today, science did that.

origin of life is god, "god created man in his image, male and female he created them"

@andrewwells6323

3 жыл бұрын

You tryin start a comment war there buddy?

@ben-ww7ks

3 жыл бұрын

just stating facts

@andrewwells6323

3 жыл бұрын

@@ben-ww7ks You must be new here.

@ben-ww7ks

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewwells6323 you must be new to irrefutable logic hebrews 3, 4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.

@robertglass5678

3 жыл бұрын

You are an internet veteran...