first project on your own mill, that's got to feel good! that aspect ratio for drilling is tricky even on a heavy milling machine. with the reamer-fit hole, could that block have been 1/2 the depth and still worked (well) as a drill jig? As always, very impressive angle grinder skills!!

@johnhawkinson

Ай бұрын

TOT! With perhaps a little better layout precision than we have here (maybe center punching?), a viable approach can be to drill undersize from opposite sides and then meet up both holes with a reamer. It's also doable to use a twist drill as a reamer (still follow the reamer rule: half the speed, twice the feed!), although Your Milage May Vary…a lot! And of course now you have a real 3/8" reamer.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

I wanted those holes nice and deep so the drill has less leverage on the sides of the holes. When I use just a block of wood as a dowel jig, that’s super important. And the block isn’t hardened steel, so I wanted to give it that advantage to avoid wear. Also given the spiral flutes of the drill, I figure wanted half a turn of the flutes in the jig at the very least.

@ciaransoden4943

Ай бұрын

It might be easier to maintain the hole over a short distance. You could do a block half as thick, and then another identical and attach them together with a flat faceplate of some sort

@AVBros37

Ай бұрын

TOT please make more videos 😭

@franklinslagpile

Ай бұрын

@@johnhawkinson I don't think that would work. Reamers follow the path of the drilled holes.

More and more, I'm noticing initial comments are by accounts with very sexual female avatars, and complimentary comments. These are from bots, probably trying to build carma for the accounts. I block the accounts as soon as I see them, but right now, I can't seem to get rid of all of these.

@ricos1497

Ай бұрын

Moderately sexual female avatars only? Got it.

@themanlihood

Ай бұрын

(Previous comment didn't seem to be published, but the context is that I recommended YT-Spammer-Purge by ThioJoe): It's (YT-Spammer-Purge) basically software developed by a fellow KZreadr to highlight and control the issues KZread has with spam accounts.

@TheCaphits

Ай бұрын

It's crazy that even with "artificial intelligence" we can't figure out these obviously spam comments.

@larpbusters

Ай бұрын

They’re on every major channel now. It’s a huge problem on KZread. Is there even a point in blocking them? There’s an endless supply of these accounts.

@MrBrax

Ай бұрын

​@@larpbustersyoutube clearly doesn't care, they only block legit comments

I can't believe he's getting into milling, after decades of doing anything and everything in wood

@prmcollin

Ай бұрын

After working with steel it’s hard to justify using wood for some things. A couple tack welds hold a joint better than almost any wood joinery

@RFMongoose

Ай бұрын

I'm not surprised he's milling, but I am surprised his mill isn't made of *more* wood and an old washing machine motor.

@grntitan1

Ай бұрын

@@RFMongoose You can get away with wood working on a wooden machine a lot easier than you can machine metal on a wooden machine. There will be severe limitations on accuracy. This from someone who spent a career chasing ten thousandths of an inch.

@woodsprout

Ай бұрын

@@RFMongoose He used as much wood as possible and an old furnace blower motor.

@RFMongoose

Ай бұрын

@@woodsprout naw, could have replaced those slides with panto mechanisms. And that x y axis, could have been wood. And the counter balance spring could have been a leaver counter balance. Also I thought he bought that spindle head.

10:22 "Oh beautiful! That's a really nice, smooth looking hole now." Watching Matthias become a machinist in real time.

Mattias' channel in 2030: well, my electricity finally went up in price and i decided that what i really need is a Tokamak fusion reactor. I found these old 200MW transformers by the side of the road and with some of this reclaimed birch ply, i think I can make a servicable reactor, at least, I hope I can

@doug9176

Ай бұрын

I think Mattias is more of a Stellarator man 😂😂

@Don.Challenger

Ай бұрын

By then with a few dumpster dive used teflon coat pans he will build a perpetual motion generator from birch bark chips, UV resin and wood glue.

@suntzu6122

Ай бұрын

Mathias in 2035: So as you can see, with a single turn of this wooden crank, on this 100% wooden contraption; we now have free energy for our house.

Dang Matthias! That angle grinder set up was awesome! Thank you!

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

it was an idea I came up with many years ago, but simplified a little this time. See links at end.

@johnhawkinson

Ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel I don't see a linked video about angle grinder jigs? I see [1] Belt grinder build (2/2); [2] Miter doweling jig; and [3] Drilling/milling machine build, but they don't seem to involve angle grinder fixtures? Did you mean to link a different video, or did I just miss the right section?

@jason0476

Ай бұрын

I will be using that jig next time myself. Great idea Matthias!

@TrentR42

Ай бұрын

​@@johnhawkinsonIt's titled "Angle grinder flat cut-off jig". Was out in the country shop when he was cutting up long bedframes for Angle iron (which is why this current setup is simpler)

Seeing Matthias go from woodworking to metalworking, and then also being a fan of Primitive Technology, and having seen a few youtubers showing ancient and medieval building techniques, and ALSO having cutting edge channels like Applied Science, Breaking Taps, Alpha Phoenix, The Thought Emporium, etc, makes me want to make a playlist of KZread videos that shows the full evolution of technology through human history in as much as it has been captured by KZreadrs recreating it

@Moraren

Ай бұрын

That would actually be a pretty cool project!

@tl880linux

Ай бұрын

You probably already know this channel but since it wasn't in your list, I'll mention that Machine Thinking covers part of that timeline the other channels don't, so could be a good source for this playlist idea of yours

@krenwregget7667

Ай бұрын

I would add AvE to that list.

@rummy98

Ай бұрын

@@krenwregget7667 I'd like to get TOT and AvE in the same room, chooch overload!

@jellez280

Ай бұрын

Not sure who you mean by the 'youtubers showing ancient and medieval building techniques', but judging from your whole message you might like Clickspring!

My God, pre-drilling and reeming? You'll be a full-on machinist in no time!

You should call it the Mill Press, because it's the awkward middle child between a Mill and a Drill Press

- wooden milling machine - "i'm not sure why it's chattering so much" gotta love the confidence.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

do tell how that its made of wood will cause chatter.

@FergusonBoatworks

Ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel Im assuming he is just talking about rigidity and loose tolerances for the sliding mechanism. Not just that its specifically a wood problem...

@dariuscalitz9704

Ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel Please just buy a proper milling machine

@LordBarbox

Ай бұрын

@@dariuscalitz9704 that would be so boring. This is Matthias-style machining and there's nothing else like it on KZread!

@1pcfred

Ай бұрын

@@LordBarbox I wouldn't mind watching Matthias build a multimachine. He already has the XY table for it now. So he's just a couple scrap engine blocks and a piece of pipe away.

The angle grinder setup you used for rough cutting the stock was a real "oh of course!" moments for me. Incredibly obvious in retrospect that it would do so well, but not something I would have ever come up with myself.

A quick fix for the miss-scribed line: fill all the scribe lines with a high contrast paint, then wipe the paint out of the incorrect line. That way you know to always use the painted lines.

@bullzebub

Ай бұрын

put a tape over the mistake first

@wpfilip

Ай бұрын

@@bullzebub better put tape over all, and mark new lines ;)

@nathanlucas6465

Ай бұрын

Put the same incorrect mark on the other end too, then come up with a justification for them

@gorak9000

Ай бұрын

Tig weld it, and then sand smooth on the belt sander. It'll be like the line wasn't even there

@Tofupancho

Ай бұрын

Alternatively and less quick, bolt a small black anodized plate to each side and put the maker’s mark on there in addition to the scribe lines. There’s just something wonderful about covering up mistakes with vanity.

You absolutely can do that with a drill press. You just have to take your time with the layout and set up and make sure to accurately center punch where you want the holes first. I have done tons of very accurate hole drilling on a drill press. This was still cool and a neat machine. Keep changing and perfecting it to fit your needs.

As a machinist, I love your steel video. Seeing you trying to diagnose some fairly problems successfully, given a few mistakes, but the end result looks fantastic.

Another thought. The last few drill jigs I've made I've purchased some identical hardened drill guides in bulk and used those instead of using pure wood guides as I've done in the past. It's a very nice compromise. The guides are hard and fairly precise relative to what I can make at home out of steel.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

where can I order these drill guides?

@ObesityandLag

Ай бұрын

Same

Quinn is either awestruck by your ingenuity or appalled that your precision isn't at least plus/minus two-thousandths. I suspect she admires it, and as a woodworker myself (with a healthy respect and admiration for those who work with metals), I concur. Nice work and it looked like you had a lot of fun doing it.

@evanbarnes9984

15 күн бұрын

I was thinking so much about Blondihacks joking about woodworker precision while watching this!

@billdouglas1721

15 күн бұрын

@@evanbarnes9984 Funny! I've been a cabinetmaker for over forty years, and if my cuts are plus or minus 1/32", I'm a happy guy. Machinists work to within ten times that degree of accuracy, for which I greatly respect them, but they don't get to enjoy the wonderful smell of fresh cut cedar lumber. Both skills have their advantages and disadvantages. Hats off to all of us who make things with our hands.

Yay new Matthias Video. It's a good day! Thank you for making and sharing.

As usual, informative and wonderful attention to detail. I always enjoy your videos, Matthias.

Making tools is so satisfying, and it's fun to see you getting excited about milling. Jolly good, always interesting and amusing with you Matthias!

As a machinist you are a amazing woodworker!

Those drill bits look a lot like the ones I’m familiar with from the big box stores. I have found those are fine for wood and aluminum but are just not up to the task of drilling steel. I have found it costs less in then to invest in good bits from industrial suppliers for the few hole sizes I need to drill into steel. All that chatter and wandering you showed usually goes away with better drill bits. Where I live, Fastenal seems to be the best source.

@1pcfred

Ай бұрын

I have the cheapest black oxide bits made and they drill mild steel just fine. But I have a real milling machine and I know what speed to run them at too. So that's why they work for me.

@rolfbjorn9937

Ай бұрын

A couple Dewalt cobalt and regular gold oxide HSS drills and a set of Mastercraft MAXIMUM Titanium coated HSS drills will cut some pretty hard stuff almost like butter. The Milwaukee bits I had previously didn't cut, and some "industrial grade " from suppliers cut like trying to grind a hole with a dowel pin.

@user-dc4yl6tp6i

Ай бұрын

По металлу HSS-CO

I love this man's brain :)

I love it! Handbuilt, wooden mill producing precise (enough) machined metal parts. This is why I've been here for every video, for years. And what a nice, beefy dowel jig!

So excited for your woodwork to metalwork machining arc

A very cool cut and so accurate indeed. I watched the entire video with a smile on my face.

I predict another milling machine in the future! I'm loving this.

Dowel jigs and their design have always been very interesting to me. I think dowels are an underused wood joint nowadays. A scrap of dense hardwood could be used as well but probably wouldn’t be as durable. Nice work!

@Phil659

Ай бұрын

Dowel joints are used in everything

@NorthcoasterHobby

Ай бұрын

@@Phil659Yes, definitely in production stuff like cabinets and knock-down furniture etc., I should have clarified- I meant more as a go-to joint for woodworkers on a single piece.

I've always wondered what the "rule of thumb" was and now after watching you use your thumb to accurately place the drill I totally understand how to apply it. Thank You!!!

Really enjoyed this one. Thanks Matthias!

normally that much wood in milling setup should send machinists into berserk mode, but, I bet all machinists are in awe

@TNH91

Ай бұрын

I'm more aghast at the casual brushing away chips with bare fingers, _while_ the tool is spinning just milimeters away.

This video has some old-school Matthias Wandel vibes that I didn't know I was missing. Nicely done, sir. I am blown away by the grinder technique for cutting the blanks. Not only is it low budget and accurate, but you'll never get a finish like that off of a bandsaw!

I really like the way you just make it happen!! Thank you very much

Impressive metalworking with a wooden setup!

The guy did it again and with an angle grinder!!!! He's the goat

He's becoming too powerful! Great stuff Matthias

Matthias is really getting into metal work and I'm here for it :D

A general rule of thumb for speeds and feeds with a reamer, compared to a drill, your spindle speed should be half and your feed rate should be double. This is of course relative to the material being cut. If you're getting chatter, slow down the spindle speed. If you're burning up reamers, slow down the feed. Also, reamers are not meant to be pecked in a hole. Go all the way through the hole and pull all the way out. Leave clearance for chips to fall out or set up air/coolant blast to clear chips.

@TNH91

Ай бұрын

Good shout. I was thinking the reamer looked like it was having a bit too much speed.

Again, I have to say, considering it is steel, your mill did much better than I thought it would. Another success.

It's always an adventure with you. I mean that in a good way. I wish I had your sense of "I've never done this before. Let just see what happens". You are fearless!

Impressive as always

It was a beautiful piece

I think you did a great job.👍👍

Impressive as always. You can do anything if you put your mind to it

11:08 Inheritance Machining cries up with tears of joy and satisfaction

the angle grinder instead of a bandsaw or automatic saw is genius! and i've never seen a finish so nice after a cutoff

He has UPGRADED!

Nice, almost a home made 1-2-3 block :)

I get a much better appreciation of these machines seeing them working in such sinpler terms than computer aided fancy ones

It lives! Doctor Frankenstein has done it again!!

Cool, you can make a pocket hole jig now :)

Mathias gets into working with metal... to make wood working tools. 😀

Seriously cool. More please

Thats why digital readouts are so nice :)

It looks like you've just reinvented the Joint Genie, a great dowelling jig.

Very interesting approach, you're revisiting metalworking with a fresh eye and the usual unconventional Wandel's way.

Cool! I'm not going to be surprised if you end up making a DRO

Hi Matthias, maybe it‘s time to built a wooden CNC. This will make things so much easier… Nice video as always. Thank you. Best regards, Pierre

This is fully unhinged and I love it!

Excellent my friend! really nice videos

I bought a mini mill from Harbor Freight a long time ago. It was worth the money and surprisingly accurate. If you do more on this one and find it lacking, you may want to consider one. I wouldn't throw this out, by any means. There is a lot of use for milling wood and plastic on a mill such as this.

Team DRO awaits your arrival. You won't regret the enhancement on the milling table.

Looking forward to seeing the fully wooden cnc in 5 years!

Metal Matthias is my favorite ❤

As a pre-digital age machinist, a guideline: pre-drill holes no larger thasn the web size of the next drill size. I try to match within 0.5 mm myself. Justr FWIW.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

Was aware of that. But I was afraid the really thin drill would not drill straight enough, and then the bigger drill might follow it.

@ortzinator

Ай бұрын

​@@matthiaswandelI'm just a hobbyist not a machinist, but I don't think wandering is a problem unless your bit is dull or you're drilling with too much downward pressure, even with small diameters.

@TheHonestL1ar

Ай бұрын

I've always used a rule of the pilot drill should be 1/3 the diameter of the next drill. That's always worked well for me.

@riceburner32

Ай бұрын

​@@matthiaswandel if the drill is properly ground with the center cutting point being in the center of the drill it will go the direction the chuck is guiding it.

Great early project, and I'm relieved to see the mistakes honestly - I admire your pieces tremendously, but it fills me with determination to see your very human journey. Great project! Looking forward to seeing you cave in to getting a "real" mill once you've gotten a taste for those chips. 🤣

I was using my dowelmax jig this weekend and it occurred to me that others may not realize it can be stripped down to the jig built here. I do often jig it up. This weekend it was a row of dowels in the middle of a sheet of plywood for cabinet construction on a custom vanity.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

Dowelmax jig is nice, but quite expensive.

The reason the hole the first time came out oversize is because the influence of the non cutting web in the center of the drill bit being off center. The non cutting center being off causes the drill to deflect and causes the longer flute to be the only one deciding the hole diameter. The second try came out undersize from what you expected when you used the undersized drill AND drilled a pilot hole because the center web of the drill was not able to force the longer flute to influence the size of the hole and so the hole comes out more to the actual drill diameter. If you had used the second drill without a pilot hole you likely would've gotten the result you expected based on the oversized nature of the first holes. Something else neat is you can actually abuse the behavior of a drill cutting oversize due to one cutting edge being longer, you can grind a drill asymetrically to pretty precisely produce holes anywhere up to nearly a 1/16" oversize from the drill diameter.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

so like I said.

Maybe someone else has suggested this, but I highly recommend getting a small dust pan brush or something similar to brush away those chips. It's very easy to use your hand, but you can imagine the kind of painful splinter you can discover!

paint / marker for the correct alignment lines. had to do something similar recently

I give you credit 👍

Really cool project! I like how you drilled mounting holes. I would have welded it and thrown everything off😅. With the stuff that I have, I would have 3D printed it and glued in a metal tube.

Pretty nice work, Matthias! 😃 About the mark in the wrong place, you could fill it up with solder. With the soldering iron or perhaps a torch! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

compressed air is your best friend for jobs like this, everytime you lift the drill off the work clean the hole out to stop the risk of recutting chips and snapping the drill

Nice to see a use for your still somewhat cobbled together mill of sorts that really is making use of its features. Though to really make great use of it you should now square off the whole dowel jig with it, especially the top face as that has the added benefit it will erase or at least massively reduce in the size your misplaced scribed line so you can do it again and do it right this time. I've lost track of how many times one of my quick and dirty jig for something where only the one essential face/corner is actually correct to the function has been annoying eventually - one day you will want to drop that jig down somewhere awkward and wish the whole thing was actually square, or had the working angle/distances stamped/etched into it...

I would be drilling holes that size closer to a thousand RPM. I also would be lubricating with a mixture of water and oil. The water prevents the material and the bit from going much above 100°C because it absorbs so much energy when it turns to steam.

Using a self-built tool to build a tool to make parts that will be used for building more tools. Neat 😁

I can't wait for the self-built DRO for the mill.

Interesting to see a highly skilled wood worker, working on metal. I cut my teeth on metal work and I have a few tips. Firstly, get yourself a centre drill, twist drills have all sorts of variations due to the point grind. Very much worth the money. Use a bit of paper to edge find, when it just grips it, you are at the measurement of thickness for the paper. Operation orders, usually its best to keep positioning and switch bits, then move over. Dont back out, just release 90% of pressure to break the chips. Rotation will do the rest.

@rompdude

Ай бұрын

and as you can probably tell, I commented part way through watching :) I usually find the grinding can also be from a very aggressive drill.

If you turn yourself a centre punch with a shaft that fits the collet, you can ensure any piece, any shape can be drilled in the place you want accurately. That's how Chris Ramsay (Clickspring) marks out the plates for clock mechanisms, so it is pretty accurate!

I have kinda expected someone in the youtube maker realm to do something like this using 3D printed blocks and steel sleeves for the drill guides.

Very very good sir 🎉🎉

I'm really enjoying your continued journey into the realm of metal work and DIY mill/drill equipment. I think the janky cross slide table might be redeemed with a DRO addition. It would take your backlash issues out of the equation, and would really help with these sorts of repetitive layouts. The price for some of the more rudimentary but fit for purpose units are really quite cheap these days.

Love your DIY extremism in the age of CNC bragging out there Matthias. Now MW needs a DRO. So stay tuned for DRO from scratch using the Rasberry Pi interface! and homemade magnetic scales🤣

I’ve used cheap ($20 ish USD) digital calipers for on the fly DROs for dozens of machines and jigs. Rigging them up here is a super cheap way to know where you’ve traveled.

I can see an enormous wooden milling machine in your future.

I think a cheap digital readout would be very useful for the machine. it measures the actual machine position instead of expected machine position, which would make the backlash much less of a problem

Research has shown, cutting with an angle grinder uses less discs when you move the grinder quickly, with little pressure. Pressing down speeds things up, but it's less efficient use of the abrasive disc.

@riba2233

Ай бұрын

He did a video on that ;)

@Convolutedtubules

Ай бұрын

@@riba2233 What's the title? I don't remember if I saw it or not. I remember seeing a video looking into exactly this, maybe that was it lol.

@riba2233

Ай бұрын

@@Convolutedtubules I think it was on his 2nd chann

Another great video Mathias! Keep em coming always enjoy your vids.

When drilling into steel cutting fluid is a must

Machinist here, good work, but here's a few tips for next time: Your spots should be about 70% the size of the drill you're following it up with. If it's larger it can actually pull your drill off center as one lip catches before the other. This will be worse with hand ground drills with unequal lips. Using the pilot drill was a great plan. Generally you want the pilot to be the same size as the web of the drill you're following it with. You can use an indicator to find the center of a part if you hold it in the spindle. Look up Indicol holders for one idea of how you could hold it in the spindle, or makr your own adapter. It'll be as accurate as your indicator. You could also buy or make an edge finder. Speaking of indicators, I think your block of wood wasn't quite square to your x axis based on the fact that you saw your holes slightly missaligned. It's also possible the wood compressed a bit more on one side than the other under the clamping load. I think I also saw the part shift at one point.

The dowel jig turned out pretty nice, considering that you're venturing into new territory. However a part like this would be much easier to fabricate by just scribing it on a surface plate (or some other flat surface for that matter) and carefully punching, center drilling and drilling and reaming your holes on the drill press. You'd only really need to get a marking gauge/ vernier height gauge, wich I think you can get used for pretty cheap. Easily gets you within less than 0.1mm of tolerance.

@matthiaswandel

Ай бұрын

I have a hard time center punching holes to that accuracy

I think the ultimate update to this would be to use the encoders from printers to build a DRO :) so you don't lose count of the turns

love it, next is DRO in a wooden frame

Even though your stock came out pretty square grinding it when you start getting into precision machining you just face everything in the mill. You need every advantage you can get. At one point lifting the bit out to clear chips I saw the whole block move. A milling vise is a nice thing to have with a milling machine. It makes a lot of setups easier. You're going to want a set of parallels too. Oh and some real cutting oil. Rapid Tap is nice stuff.

If you have 2 cheap digital calipers, you could put those on the X and Y axis of the table and use them to position the workpiece. Kind of like a cheap DRO. That's an old-school tip from back when DROs were expensive to obtain. The early kind of calipers also had RS232 output to hook up to a PC but I doubt anything new has that interface anymore.. Cheers,

Hi Matthias, great job and very entertaining to watch. I am trying to do the exact opposite of what you are doing. I don't have any wood working machines, so I cut and machine wood on metal machines. Much easier (except for the massive wood chip mess). One suggestion though to cheat on your wooden milling machine. Given your rigidity will always be on say the soggy cardboard box side, I would suggest you use softer materials. For instance, your jig could be plastic (or even wood if you are so inclined) with steel insert drill guides. These are then just long bushings, relatively easy to turn on your mini lathe. Drilling deep holes in plastic is easy for your milling machine and might even help with keeping the holes aligned directionally along the jig.

Pretty cool Matt, maybe get an encoder for your metrology

Pilot drilling the holes will allow the finishing drill to drill to the correct size. Just add more coolant/oil to help cutting for a better and more accurate finish 👍🏻

Soluble oil coolant is messy, but makes a big difference drilling holes like this.

👍great video